jfw: diana_coman: in Friday reviewing, I've still not broken the pattern (perhaps even doubling down on it, ugh) of apparently preferring to sit around burning time over even starting to look back at the records of the week. And it's not even like it was an especially bad week or anything, given the circumstances.
jfw: I'll give it another go tomorrow.
jfw: trinque: laptop-servering, good times huh. thamks
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-26#1023064 << I'm alive and plan to stick around in some capacity, but idk in what capacity. Are you free tomorrow to talk at our standing meeting?
ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-26 19:54:55 diana_coman: lobbes: what happened to you?
lobbes: I've sort of come to the conclusion that while the history of the republic was a history of juvenile men, I think my root issue is that I'm not even a juvenile man, I'm more like a 32 y/o boy. In other words, I think my main problem here may fall outside the scope of a proper university. I don't want to stand in the way of other people who are actually producing things
lobbes: still.
lobbes will bbl
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/03/28/rmd-week-22-plan-mar-28th-apr-3rd-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD week 22 plan, Mar 28th-Apr 3rd, 2020
trinque: jfw: particularly, running in a repl so I could rapidly improve the thing.
trinque: moving it back to the server now
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-28 02:56:32 jfw: I'll give it another go tomorrow.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-28 13:25:22 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-26#1023064 << I'm alive and plan to stick around in some capacity, but idk in what capacity. Are you free tomorrow to talk at our standing meeting?
ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-26 19:54:55 diana_coman: lobbes: what happened to you?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-28#1023145 - trinque , do you find lisp well suited for irc? (I genuinely have no idea on the matter and asking you because I recall you said earlier you have quite a lot of experience with irc on the programming & admin side)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-28 16:02:44 trinque: jfw: particularly, running in a repl so I could rapidly improve the thing.
trinque: it's quite nice to be able to connect to a running instance and inspect state / update code, general benefit beyond this use-case.
trinque: isn't bad for writing parsers either, built for manipulating lists, though currently I'm still using cl-irc.
diana_coman: ah, my question was ill-formed indeed; I meant more the environment than lisp itself, exactly because my impression was that it still ends up importing all sorts ~comparable to the python & flask; basically I still don't really know *what* (if anything) would be a choice that could be made practically with minimal (preferably none) imports.
trinque: really depends on whether you use quicklisp.
trinque: anything in there may haul in many other dependencies, yes.
trinque: but hacking off quicklisp is one of the "decrufting" tasks I've been working on with deedbot.
diana_coman: ah, cool then.
trinque: the cl-irc dep list is maybe 5 or so packages deep, could be worse.
trinque: but yes, quicklisp == npm, pypi, w/e
trinque: possibly the best thing about CL is merely that it was standardized once, and then everyone (and every company) that could've mustered a significant update to said standard died.
diana_coman: can be, I could certainly see it.
jfw: cruciform, your sample class outline: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/jwrd-sample-01-initial-unix-commands.txt
jfw: diana_coman: now that ^ would have been a pain without pasting! although, I've had in mind to simplify that /wp-content/uploads/YYYY/MM/ to /files/YYYY/ as I can't really see any good the rest of those levels are doing me
jfw: (and how is it that normal articles wouldn't also fall under "content" or "upload" labels too?)
jfw: re CL, I suppose SBCL is the de facto standard update at least around here, since the standard doesn't include sockets
jfw: which reminds me, I have an SBCL port on Gales, but it lacks some extensions including sb-bsd-sockets and sb-posix as they demand dynamic linking
jfw: so python wins there it turns out.
trinque: jfw: https://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/html_node/Static-Linking.html << might be worth looking into at some point.
jfw: trinque: interesting, though do you know the relation between CFFI and sb-alien which I recall is what the extensions use?
jfw: I've imagined that one could provide dlopen/dlsym implementations as lookup tables for a predefined list of symbols, causing them to get linked into the bin
trinque: haven't looked into the implementation here, just pointing to it as a potential starting point for research.
trinque: at least indicates it's entirely possible.
jfw: gotcha & thanks
whaack: diana_coman: Would you like me to make TheFleet's logs available to you? If so, how would you like me to do that? The way I recommend is I setup a VM where you can ssh in and connect to the postgres db and view the logs there. I would need you to gpg me an ssh key for this. I can also make a .sql file and post instructions for loading that file into a local postgres db.