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scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Imposter's Syndrome
verisimilitude: I've a little UDP echo server now at verisimilitudes.net on port 2222.
verisimilitude: Try sending it an empty packet; I can't get netcat to send such a packet.
signpost: verisimilitude: think I just pooted one your way via socat
signpost: echo -n '' | socat - udp:verisimilitudes.net:2222,sp=10666
verisimilitude: It works nicely.
verisimilitude: Really, this binding is pathetic as an accomplishment, but I'll take it.
verisimilitude: Writing this code was unnecessarily difficult. I shouldn't've had to think about it much at all.
verisimilitude: It should've been ``one line''.
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083189 << Yes yes, sorry my lunch break was cut short.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 22:41:37 signpost: was prompting you to say more about what network issue you wanted help solving.
crtdaydreams: I can't even remember what cut it short, but that's besides the point.
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083188 << They lifted mask mandates this week but are still clinging to those "emergency powers"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 22:41:12 signpost: story of oz these days eh?
crtdaydreams: Only been thru abt 3 lockdowns of max 8wk all up.
crtdaydreams: The guys further south have it rough, the border SA/WA just got opened this week, first time families are seeing eachother after 2yr
crtdaydreams: Anyways, uh so my router is not responding to remote pings.
crtdaydreams: That's the issue. I've enabled remote ICMP ping, and tried nmap -Pn nuthin
crtdaydreams: port forwarded 80 to nginx jail
crtdaydreams: port forwarded 443 to 80 on nginx jail aswell bc https is for chumps
crtdaydreams also thought might mention possib rotate PGP key because can't get PK out of VM lol
crtdaydreams: so must send via~ encrypted paste
crtdaydreams: and then sign new pubkey for swap
crtdaydreams: sorry for xtra effort
crtdaydreams: uh but network issue is a big ??? with ICMP remote ping enabled it shud respond, no?
crtdaydreams might have to factory reset **again**
crtdaydreams: fucking useless router
crtdaydreams must eat
whaack: !e view-height
trbexplorer: block_height: 726413
trbexplorer: mins_since_last_block: 5
whaack: asciilifeform: what block # is cement patch at?
whaack: so i'm about to build trb up to asciilifeform's cement patch to start the sync process in my new rack in NZ, and it's a headache to run around different blogs collecting various vpatches, i think that my next project will be a copy of http://btcbase.org/patches , except with a hopper . i wonder if anyone thinks that perhaps the search-all-blogs for various vpatches is a feature and not a bug,
whaack: maybe there is some benefit of forcing v operators to know the author of the code well enough to be able ot put together the v trees
billymg: whaack: imo it's the end user's responsibility to know what they're running. and jumping from blog to blog collecting patches doesn't guarantee they'll read a single word written about the patches anyway, it's just added friction
billymg: perhaps your patch viewer could have a page that lists in-wot blogs, so that if one wants to reference the author's writings, they can
billymg: or the author, when using the hopper to submit a signed patch, could be given a url field, to include a link to the specific article describing the patch, if there is one
billymg: and then in the interface this could be accessible somehow when viewing the list of patches
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 08:12:12 whaack: asciilifeform: what block # is cement patch at?
billymg: asciilifeform: just remembered, did you ever end up sending out that RK? i don't think i received it at the address i gave
asciilifeform: goddammit apparently both rk's still here ( asciilifeform could've sworn he had them taken to post office! but nope! they're at the bottom of the fucking hopper )
asciilifeform: billymg & dpb invited to laff at asciilifeform
asciilifeform will get'em out personally this wk. billymg , dpb , plox to gpggram if your addrs have changed!
PeterL: aha, what a loser! (j/k)
asciilifeform up to nose in ocean of commercial liquishit atm
billymg: asciilifeform: ty, i do have another one. will gpg shortly
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox lulz.
whaack: billymg: atm the manifest file includes the author's handle as per signpost's spec, so if i keep a registry of handle<->blog domain name, i can automatically populate a link to a patch's author's blog
PeterL: will this be just for trb patches or are you going to collect other projects as well?
whaack: PeterL: All vpatches
PeterL: what happens if somebody doesn't include a manifest file (I don't think there is one in the Blatta patches), or if they don't format it the way you expect?
whaack: PeterL: this would be a reason to manually enter the handles / blogs
billymg: whaack: i meant something at the individual patch <-> article level as well
whaack: atm i think the best idea is to have the hopper contain a list of the public keys of the handles that it accepts patches from
whaack: then there would be some (perhaps webform) for submitting the vpatch + seal combo, it would check to make sure the seal comes from a handle in the list, and then it would register the patch and link to the handle's blog (should one be provided)
PeterL: It shouldn't be hard to add a field for a blog article link to the submission page
whaack: billymg: The form for submitting the vpatch could provide a field for an article url, or it could be custom to include a link to a related article inside the manifest file (but this may have problems with linkrot and blog domain name migrations)
billymg: whaack: linkrot will always be an issue. if author changes his link, could he resubmit the same patch/sig but fill in a different url?
billymg: it's still sad seeing domains that i thought would stick around forever, like cascadianhacker, esthlos, and bvt, disappear
whaack: billymg: that's one option. one problem i see thought: i want anyone to be able to submit vpatches into the hoppper (not just the author) , this way the hopper has a greedy-collection and can keep patches of those who do not themselves submit to it or use it, but there can be an issue with people hijacking the author's blog link
PeterL: also presents chicken/egg problem, do you bake the vpach and then write an article including it, or do you write an article and then put the link in the vpatch? I think the vpatch should come first, and then the article can be written introducing it
billymg: aha, i.e. valid patch/sig but garbage in the url field
whaack: lol yeah the url field becomes OpenSea
billymg: lol
billymg: i guess the manifest spec could be updated to include an optional url field
whaack found out recently that NFTs keep a hash of a URL to OpenSea's website which in turn hosts the img
billymg: but then if url changes... oh well
whaack: billymg: yeah back to the linkrot problem
whaack: this is what i'm imagining right now
whaack: there's an ircbot that you can submit patches to via
billymg: yeah, NFTs are a complete joke
bitbot: (alethepedia) 2021-05-23 billymg: NFTs are more or less colored coins, but on the mETH chain. they point to some URL containing a .png of "artwork"
whaack: !h add-context my_genesis.vpatch http://ztkfg.com/my-genesis-explained.html
whaack: add-context could be hijacked, but if it's on the pest network....
PeterL: maybe have the field, but part of validating it is that the base of the link has to match what is in your database for handle <-> url ? So I can submit somebody else's patch if I provide my own seal and have perterl.xyz/article, but keeps people from just dropping in somebody elses patch/seal and
PeterL: putting in the website field spambotsrus.com
billymg: neat, i like it
billymg: ^ referring to whaack's proposed irc interface
whaack: PeterL: not sure I fully understand, why are you providing your own seal from somebody else's patch?
billymg: whaack: could technically require the submitter to complete a challenge, like deedbot, when using add-context. but why add the complexity if non-pest irc is a dead end anyway
whaack: billymg: yeah that was exactly my train of thought
whaack: pest takes care of some of the security concerns for pest-bot interfaces
whaack: PeterL: anyways, seems like an unnecessary restriction, whole point is you want an authority-check to make sure someone you trust is adding the context link, doesn't need to be more strict than that, atm i am pretty satisfied with leaving the auth step to pestnet
verisimilitude: Link to this manifest specification.
PeterL: whaack: there are several reasons to do it, could be I only want to run things that I have signed myself, or maybe the author is not in your WOT and I want to submit a patch for them, or just to say I have reviewed the patch
whaack: PeterL: You can submit a patch for anyone
whaack: i may not even add sig checking on the server, if submission is already filtered to those in my pestnet wot, then no reason to have an extra server side check, that's supposed to be done locally anyways
verisimilitude: I struggle to see the need for this, but will read it again.
whaack: verisimilitude: the need for what? the hopper i'm describing? have you not played v-scavenger hunt a few times yet?
verisimilitude: I've not.
verisimilitude: ``Adding and removing the null character from the manifest file in every other patch would work.'' Making an artificial dependency like this seems simpler.
verisimilitude: Rather, if a dependency be needed, simply modify the files regardless.
verisimilitude: Perhaps I misunderstand something.
whaack: so you're talking about the need for the manifest?
whaack: i think this was discussed ad naseum in old logs so i would search around there rather than resurfacing the conversation
whaack: btw i always wanted to write a short article on this http://verisimilitudes.net/2022-03-07 i think i wrote it in my journal once
whaack: at MIT they gave tons of lectures 'you may feel like an impostor, but you're not, you're really great! you are not here because of nepotism'
verisimilitude: So, the article was enjoyed?
whaack: yeah
verisimilitude: I'm glad, whaack.
whaack: exploring that 'impostor syndrome' sensation is probably the most important thing for the kids to do there
whaack: this is done at all ivy leagues etc. afaik
verisimilitude: ``I can't be incompetent! It's all in my head!''
verisimilitude: This basic mindset is ruining society.
verisimilitude: I first wrote about it on an anonymous forum, but the discussion died, and I lost my copy of what I'd written. I've ensured that won't happen a second time.
whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?
billymg: it's all wamen
verisimilitude: Which ``vaccine'' did asciilifeform take?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc that one
verisimilitude: It was nice knowing thee, asciilifeform.
whaack: pfizerlifeform
asciilifeform considers all the folx who were aiming to die of vaccine, instead under regular old bomb, 'damn'
billymg: this reminds me, asciilifeform, should i interpret this as you concluding the 'vaccine' may have been intended to do more harm than good?
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 21:19:54 asciilifeform: their current effort seems to be to amp up covid per se with 'vaccine'. afaik not working spectacularly tho
asciilifeform: billymg: anecdotally, asciilifeform contracted n-th covidism not long after vaccine, and it was by far worst of 3
asciilifeform: still seems like pretty weak exterminatus sauce tho imho
whaack has been social since day1 and no vaccine never had so much as a cold, but i know quite a few non-vaxxers who have got covid
whaack: and apparently there was a breakout at the bitcoin conference
whaack: they give you the mRNG
billymg: anecdotally, i know several people who were vaxxed and then contracted covid, whereas i, never vaxxed / never tested, have yet to succumb to even a sniffle
asciilifeform: billymg: over9000 folx naturally immune
verisimilitude: I may have had it.
verisimilitude: I had the worst cold I've ever had, when 2020 started.
whaack: bbl
whaack: ~45 mins
billymg: this was my point from the beginning
bitbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 18:08:19 billymg: i'm not sure if the vaccine is fake or not but i certainly don't trust them enough to let them stick me with any needles
bitbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 18:13:45 billymg: but i also don't see why i need it when 0.0001% chance of death or whatever for my age/health profile
asciilifeform used to get the flu vaccines too, gave up when flu mostly vanished
billymg is still waiting to die, as mats prophesized
bitbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 18:14:18 mats: anyway, i don't really give a shit, its a problem that solves itself
PeterL: whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 << article you linked to is a bit alarmist in delivery, but the study that they link to looks valid
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?
billymg: meat, dairy, sunlight, and exercise. that's all the vaccine you need
asciilifeform: is interesting how folx get used to the obviously and unambiguously lethal . e.g. the sr-90 in errybody's bones since '45
asciilifeform: nobody kicks up fuss about it for, what, half century nao
asciilifeform: tho in theory may acct for some large % of cancers
PeterL: asciilifeform: if we did make fuss, is there a way to remove it?
asciilifeform: not afaik
PeterL: so making fuss doesn't help anything, we just have to ignore it
asciilifeform disagrees that 'can't help, so just ignore'. cataloguing the crimes of the reich is important.
asciilifeform: the 1 place where ~anyone~ can defeat the reich is in ~his own head~. and such tidbits play their part in helping to do it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: link tries to install shitware, lol
PeterL: landing page for porn site or something?
asciilifeform: some kinda browser plugin
billymg: verisimilitude: lol, complete with obligatory "i suck at maths lol!" that they learned from reddit or somewhere is a badge of honor and not a failure
verisimilitude: I couldn't tell; I don't enable JavaScript often.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083349 I agree with this, and also with crying over spilled milk being pointless. We live in a society that poisons, humiliates, mutilates, and lies to us.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 14:46:44 asciilifeform: disagrees that 'can't help, so just ignore'. cataloguing the crimes of the reich is important.
PeterL: just wondering, if Sr-90 accumulates in the bones, should we avoid eating bones (things like broth made with bones in it) to reduce our exposure?
asciilifeform: PeterL: it's a calcium displacer. most folx get their ca not from bones
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 I wonder if every country got the same ``vaccine'' or not.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?
verisimilitude: I'd rather wager not.
whaack: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083340 <-- thanks, i forgot that you work as a chemist (right?) but i don't see how the article i linked being alarmist could be considered a critique. if the study is valid, then isn't the correct tone to "sound the alarm"?
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 19:39:08 PeterL: whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083314 << article you linked to is a bit alarmist in delivery, but the study that they link to looks valid
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 14:29:17 whaack: when do we get the biologist in the wot to confirm articles such as these?
verisimilitude: The alarm is supposed to be sounded before the rubicon, whaack.
PeterL: whaack: yes, I am chemist. I just think the tone in the paper is rather subdued, sort of a "we noticed this happening, more research need", whereas the article you linked blows it way out of proportion "everybody has been lying to you, the sky is falling! It's all Biden's Fault"
signpost: PeterL: if more research confirmed that the vaccine is indeed altering our DNA, then what would you say?
signpost: this urge to default to the "anyone concerned is crazy" interpretation is also irrational.
signpost: I wrote on the desensitization and submission process being used.
signpost expects we're about 3mos from "of course it was a gene therapy; plebs wouldn't have taken if we told the truth"
signpost: can also be true, of course, that this is an accident, *and* the propaganda machine is trying to cover their asses.
signpost is pretty amused that the docs that leaked out of DARPA confirmed that the covid virus was an experimental vaccination platform for bats, and discussion of this disappeared just as quickly.
signpost: first "alarmist, tin-foil, etc", then "exaggerated", then "of course we did" if it cannot be removed from discussion.
signpost: ftr, if such a thing worked, would be pretty cool. could innoculate the reservoirs of many diseases. but oops, not smart enough to do it yet.
PeterL: signpost: I guess the question I would ask is if the modification of the DNA is detrimental? It could be modifying and nothing happens, or it could cause a sudden onset of cancer, would be nice to know which to expect.
PeterL: After seeing the article, if you have not had the vaccine yet I think it would be prudent to wait longer to see if more information comes forth (or if you are even going to need it), certainly I don't mean to say their conclusions should be ignored
signpost would also like to know, and has no prediction of effects. worthwhile however to point out the way the "narrative" is shifted on these.
PeterL: if people hadn't started dieing from Covid, would they just have continued experimenting with the bats without telling anybody?
signpost: also would admit that the desire to live in a society which says when these happen, "yep, we just had a terrible failure at a lab which was meant to prevent a sars-like worldwide plague, and caused one instead"
signpost: *is naive in present context
signpost: PeterL: yeah, my sense is that the creatures like daszak and fauci escalate until they hit a wall.
verisimilitude: I saw this recently.
verisimilitude: It doesn't affect me, so I don't yet know what to think of it.
verisimilitude: I'd claim hopelessness from the last three years, but I've been hopeless for longer. Hope is an evil.
billymg: signpost: i liked that article btw
signpost: billymg: ty
signpost: verisimilitude: I agree. it's a vestige of prayer, the belief that reality responds to pleas.
signpost: root of all human delusion, without exaggeration.
verisimilitude: Hope was in Pandora's box.
billymg: a similar concept was discussed in "dissident right twitter" a few years ago. how media narratives shift seamlessly over time from "that could never happen" to "that's not happening, but it should" to "it is happening, and here's why that's a good thing"
verisimilitude: ``and that's a good thing''
signpost: isn't even an unhappy thing. reality may be impacted by what local, immediate causes I inflict upon it, but never magically.
signpost: and also, I myself am vastly more (and I would argue entirely) a product of what'd be called "external" causes if we're still pretending to mind/body dualism, which I don't.
signpost: billymg: yep, definitely not the first guy to point at the thing.
signpost: it's just the aggregate of the dominance games of liars.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 16:15:22 signpost: first "alarmist, tin-foil, etc", then "exaggerated", then "of course we did" if it cannot be removed from discussion.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-06-03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
verisimilitude: I'm the product of my times, in interests, work, and most everything else.
signpost: asciilifeform: yep, meanwhile the captive "intellectuals" end up claiming they were always in on the lie, and amplify the "this is actually good" chorus.
signpost: verisimilitude: mhm, and great liberation in this, as it means one can easily change by changing their inputs.
signpost: can go read the ancients, or haet speech by that nazi heidegger whom I love, or w/e else.
asciilifeform: signpost: moreover, asciilifeform suspects that the leak in question was a trimmed-down hangout, in that no mention of the already-set stage for the play that was to be put in in the lizard theatre even before virus was on hand
asciilifeform: *put on
verisimilitude: I used to think of it like this: I will always behave the same if given the same stimulation, so there must be something inherent within me, but it's also the environment that influences what I'll study, and create.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: most folx have a memory, i.e. dun 'behave same with same stimulation later'
signpost: asciilifeform: yeah, the veritas thing having come from .mil contained a statement from the author which... I shit thee not, "good patriots inside .mil are fighting the good fight" etc
signpost: yawn
asciilifeform: signpost: quality / attn to detail evaporated from reich fakes loong ago
verisimilitude: I mean over life, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: (why put in the effort, if there's no risk of actual debate)
verisimilitude: Memory is part of it.
signpost: asciilifeform: you could almost hear eddie van halen playing the top gun theme as he read the thing, lol
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083372 << the 'saving grace' is that reich tech ~dunwork worth a shit.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 16:08:55 signpost: expects we're about 3mos from "of course it was a gene therapy; plebs wouldn't have taken if we told the truth"
verisimilitude: I recall well the horror at everyone around me discussing QAnon and how the elites were secretly being arrested.
asciilifeform slaved in a usg .mil biowa^H^Hdefense lab for yrs where three dozen (mostly) coolies couldn't get e.coli to secrete fairly lightweight enzyme
signpost: yeah, I figure they oops, accidentally maim a few hundred thousand people, passes in the night.
signpost: couple mil perhaps.
signpost: who will notice among the symptoms the inmates already had.
asciilifeform: signpost: as asciilifeform pictures it, the order was for a virus with some respectable 'bite'; instead delivered sumthing with approx same lethality as punch in the stomach, so had to theatrically improvise much of the 'mega-exterminatus'
asciilifeform: rather like how great aerial victories by ukrs currently being 'filmed' via screencap of 'call of duty' and aired as reich 'news'
PeterL: "but look, see how many thousands of people died!" "How many would have died without virus?" "Umm, that's not important to the story"
signpost: if anything the past few years proved to them how little budget they need to allocate to the fear porn, which is timely luck for them.
asciilifeform: 'dun ask how many died from shuttered onco clinics, or are you a terrorist?'
verisimilitude: Expand ``onco''.
signpost: oncology
asciilifeform: 'check back in 6mo if yer still alive'
asciilifeform: plenty of this, and the victims generally written up as 'covid death'
PeterL: the other day I was trying to find estimates of damage done in Ukr-Rus conflict, Ukrainians claim 14,000 Russians killed, Russians claim 500. Who to believe?
asciilifeform: PeterL: yer unlikely to see a honest count. we still dun have one for e.g. spanish civil war.
signpost has a sister that shattered a bone, and a brother in law that won much respect from me by smooth-talking his way into an ER for her.
signpost: during the height of letting people die in the waiting room.
PeterL: asciilifeform: I was not really expecting an accurate number, but I thought it was interesting how the numbers could disagree by orders of magnitude
asciilifeform: PeterL: very easily, see orwell
PeterL: Ministry of Truth working overtime these days?
signpost: both sides want to hear they are doing well. who is going to question
asciilifeform: PeterL: not even so simple to count e.g. burning tanks , even if yer there, they're ~identical in appearance aside from some chalk marks
PeterL: true
asciilifeform: most folx will learn 'who won' when they buy a new atlas coupla yrs later. if that.
signpost: I dunno any thinking person believes ukr will not be annexed, either in name or effect.
asciilifeform: ( until nixon in reich Official truth was 'taiwan won' lol )
asciilifeform: these folx not even recognized e.g. ussr until '30s !
asciilifeform: 'this unhappened, shuddup terrorist'
PeterL: signpost: you think Putin will swallow the whole thing?
signpost would enjoy owning a globe with spheres of influence denoted, rather than countries.
asciilifeform: PeterL: part of reich project starting '14 ~was~ to make him 'swallow whole thing', expensively
asciilifeform: west ukristan in particular, a gigantic 'baltimore redzone' 'on steroids' fulla perma-raging orcs
signpost: ukr was made to believe nato was behind it, so that it would be destroyed and then create a nearby iraq for putin, is my assumption.
signpost: there are most likely many other reasons this is in the empire's interest.
asciilifeform: signpost: difficult to interpret the '14--present provocations ('let's shell coupla mil folx 24/7') in any other light
signpost: I'm looking forward to what squeaks out about the biolabs, for example.
signpost: before they're unhappened
asciilifeform: signpost: if the leaked docs genuine -- they were 'the usual' usg fare. bubonic plague, smallpox, other classics
signpost: asciilifeform: perhaps pustules they hoped would break open in major conflict.
asciilifeform: likely in coming wks will 'break open' 1 or 2 and blame 'putler'
asciilifeform: wainot, right. orcs -- expendable
shinohai chuckles at USSA entities like CNN, facebook cutting off Russia, thereby doing them giant favor ....
asciilifeform: crapple, mcd, microshit
shinohai: Well maybe Russia will have less people of WalMart if they aren't eating styroburgers.
asciilifeform: shinohai: funnily enuff these were 'delicacies', ru not developed a 'people of' problem quite yet
signpost: my sense is they don't actually want a divided russia. they want one closed off, and burdened with endless provincial war.
asciilifeform: ( the preferred orcish self-inflicted death is still via cirrhosis, rather than 'beetus' )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 22:31:09 verisimilitude: Hey, asciilifeform, it looks like I need to use System.Storage_Elements.Storage_Array if I want my UDP binding and UDP interface over that to use the same array type without explicitly referencing each other. There's no standard array type of Interfaces.Unsigned_8 to use. I'd welcome advice.
signpost: I'm not sure where the US expects to obtain rare earths, but at least with oil this makes some sense.
crtdaydreams: billymg: on a completely unrelated note to current thread, I thought you might like this video (if you haven't seen it already) the original must've been taken down.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: Unsigned_8 from Interfaces. see e.g. in mine, 'type Payload is array(1 .. Payload_Size) of Unsigned_8;'
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what's difficult there ?
asciilifeform: signpost: from cn, presumably
signpost: crtdaydreams: watch the movie Brazil sometime if it isn't banned in oz.
signpost: asciilifeform: what's your sense of the chinese leading russia down the same path of destruction the west led ukr?
verisimilitude: The true UDP interface I build will ignore the disgusting POSIX bindings in interface, entirely.
asciilifeform: hm verisimilitude i thought you already built ?
verisimilitude: I can't Unchecked_Conversion an array.
verisimilitude: The package I've written is POSIX_UDP_Garbage, which will be used in the body of the package I actually want to use.
billymg: crtdaydreams: ty, will look later
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: dun need to unchecked_conversion, use the address trick from cryostat
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 22:01:17 signpost: crtdaydreams: watch the movie Brazil sometime if it isn't banned in oz.
verisimilitude: That's one option, but then POSIX_UDP_Garbage looks worse, not that it matters, I suppose.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not having seen yer proggy, hard to say which'd 'look worse'. your call
verisimilitude: I'll find some suitable solution.
crtdaydreams: kek; "A bureaucrat in a dystopic society becomes an enemy of the state as he pursues the woman of his dreams."
crtdaydreams will def find a copy and throw on watchlist
signpost: a surrealist 1984, say.
crtdaydreams: signpost: I still haven't ``read'' 1984 per say, it's on the top of my current reading list after picking it back up from books like Dune, Greek Mythology, 4HWW et cetera.
crtdaydreams is inclined to review books perhaps on blog
billymg: ok, asciilifeform, signpost: i recall both of you took the vax last year. now it's sounding as though you're more skeptical. did anything change? would you take it again if you were transported back to early 2021?
signpost: what else do you do with 1984 lol
signpost: take it for a walk, wear as hat, fan when hot
asciilifeform: billymg: well at this pt know that it dunwork worth shit
crtdaydreams: signpost: cut a hole in it to store supplies for the apocalypse?
crtdaydreams: idk, I sorta read it then read other books, only coming back to it now. thus ``read'' like 20~ pages
asciilifeform: billymg: not convinced that it's the glorious reich 'smart bomb' as per the 'martian' subculture tho
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 23:07:16 asciilifeform: adlai: the beauty of it all is that it doesn't matter worth a fuck just HOW obvious the sham is. by so much as implying that yer aware of the sham, you instantly (to mats or other fella who hasn't 'shot the policeman inside his head') placing yourself into the company of the 'martians'.
billymg: asciilifeform: possible some random % of doses were saline. i remember you saying a few times your dose had "no bite"
asciilifeform: billymg: indeed no bite
signpost: billymg: I probably still would've taken the vaccine, as it appears my options are either to synthesize protein spike or the whole virus.
signpost: but yeah, seems ineffective, not actively intentional poison.
billymg: fair enough. yeah, i also don't think it'll put 5g magnets in your head or make you sterile or whatever
crtdaydreams: is deedbot written in python?
signpost: no, lisp
crtdaydreams: Just having read errors seems like a urllib3 thing.
crtdaydreams: I was running calls from binance api the other day and kept throwing read errors just for pulling kline data.
crtdaydreams: Ended up with a while, try, break, except, continue loop to mitigate it
signpost: can happen with anything handling a socket. I assume there's something slightly wrong in the cl-irc lib, or my use of it, but hasn't been harmful enough to burn cycles on it.
crtdaydreams would like to write more lisp
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083509 << despite this I'm more than a little resentful that - having had covid about 2wks ago - here I sit tired like an old man with a weird salty taste in my mouth
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 17:17:08 billymg: fair enough. yeah, i also don't think it'll put 5g magnets in your head or make you sterile or whatever
signpost: and this with having had a strong reaction to the "vaccine".
signpost: most likely these effects are temporary, but who knows, and when did I agree to be part of this medical experiment?
mats: my feelings are hurt, friendos
mats: i shot the policeman in my head long ago
signpost doesn't consider mats our local representative of the regime, fwiw, though perhaps more crediting of the empire's ability to execute than I am.
mats: It has its moments, credited when due
billymg: i find mats interesting because on one hand he'll share links to vice/newsweek/msnbc etc. with a straight face, but on the other hand he makes convincing points about how czbinance's jurisdictional arbitrage maneuverings will eventually defeat the reich
mats: TPP still ded and some incarnation of it is desperately needed to compete
mats: Dismissing mainstream news because mainstream, when there’s no evidence a particular claim is unverified or untrustworthy, just makes you vulnerable to bullshit
signpost: billymg: well what are we, a cult? gotta all see things exactly the same way?
signpost wiggles eyebrows
mats: I’m interested in facts and keeping score
mats: Not some alt right mullet trying to tell me what to think
billymg: signpost: heh, no, i didn't mean "interesting" as in "odd", but more as genuinely interesting
signpost: making jokes over here
billymg: i typically listen to what mats has to say
billymg: even if i roll my eyes at some things
signpost bbl, gotta go get gas like it's the 70s
mats: I read the financial papers and left wing reporters because I’m familiar with the manner in which they lie, and it is much less frequent than other sources
mats: Not interested in dismissing msnbc AP Reuters or whomever because of their alignment, not least because they have the dominant narrative and it is important to know what that is
billymg: mats: i like your reporting, i appreciate that someone is willing to wade through that for the occasional insight and then share it here
billymg also occasionally reads mainstream, to look for clues of what they're planning by the way they word things
mats: I recommend trying Bloomberg for a while, it’s relatively high quality and affordable with the promotions - and when you get on the pricy regular sub price and try to cancel, they’ll give it to you for like ten bux a month
mats: asia.nikkei also pretty readable, with some anti cn bias but that’s how it is
billymg: still parrots the party line i see. (why not talk of life span inequality!)
verisimilitude: Well, that line isn't conducive to destroying traditional society.
whaack: aciilifeform et all: hit a bump in the road tryign to build trb on centos7 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yMpt
whaack: gcc is 4.8.5
shinohai: whaack: Might be trying to expand a variable since yer getting `c: Command not found` - certain debians did this and solved by running `CXX = g++` iirc
whaack: shinohai: thx, i thought something may have gotten corrupted because i first tried to build without grabbing missing depedencies, so i ran a make clean and am rerunning... afterwards I will try your suggestion
shinohai: kk, been a while so I might be off on the exact voodoo
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083548 << that loox like a naked (i.e. w/out rotor) build ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 18:10:56 whaack: aciilifeform et all: hit a bump in the road tryign to build trb on centos7 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yMpt
asciilifeform: ( if so , unsurprising that it dunwork, asciilifeform published rotor for a reason lol )
whaack: no, this is with rotor
whaack: and running a make clean and then building again did the trick
whaack: asciilifeform: where should the cement file be located?
whaack: nvm, figured it out, path relative to where bitcoind is being called from
whaack: well the kiwis now have a trb node on their land, the block height is at a humble 325
whaack: asciilifeform: plox to add 103.6.212.28 to watchglass
whaack: !c trb-status
crawlerbot: 75.106.222.93 (Could not connect!), h=726162, v=99999, United States - peers: 218 - last probed: 26m ago
crawlerbot: 103.36.92.112 (Busy? (No answer in 15 sec.)), h=726489, v=99999, Singapore - peers: 85 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 54.38.94.63 (Alive), h=726490, v=88888, France - peers: 63 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 205.134.172.4 (Alive), h=726491, v=70001, United States - peers: 59 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 205.134.172.27 (Alive), h=726491, v=99999, United States - peers: 54 - last probed: 24m ago
crawlerbot: 208.94.240.42 (Alive), h=726491, v=99999, United States - peers: 51 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 71.191.220.241 (Alive), h=726490, v=99999, United States - peers: 38 - last probed: 26m ago
crawlerbot: 54.39.156.171 (Alive), h=726491, v=99999, Canada - peers: 38 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 205.134.172.28 (Alive), h=726490, v=99999, United States - peers: 28 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 85.167.102.77 (Alive), h=463415, v=99999, Norway - peers: 21 - last probed: 22m ago
crawlerbot: 94.176.238.102 (Alive), h=726080, v=99999, Lithuania - peers: 15 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 82.79.58.192 (Alive), h=726491, v=99999, Romania - peers: 15 - last probed: 25m ago
crawlerbot: 205.134.172.26 (Alive), h=726491, v=99999, United States - peers: 13 - last probed: 24m ago
whaack: !c help
crawlerbot: whaack: my valid commands are: src, uptime, help, net-summary, version, trb-status
whaack: !c net-summary
crawlerbot: Bitcoin Network (IPv4 Nodes Active Within the Last 48 hours) Global: 9117; TRB-Compatible: 65; TRB: 12
crawlerbot: TRB-Compatible by Country: United States: 25; Canada: 5; Singapore: 4; Russia: 4; Romania: 4; Australia: 3; France: 2; Saudi Arabia: 2; Netherlands: 2; United Kingdom: 2; Italy: 1; Lithuania: 1; Norway: 1; Germany: 1; Chile: 1; Belgium: 1; Ukraine: 1; Vietnam: 1; Bulgaria: 1; Mexico: 1; South Africa: 1; South Korea: 1;
crawlerbot: TRB by Country: United States: 6; Canada: 1; Romania: 1; Singapore: 1; Lithuania: 1; France: 1; Norway: 1;
whaack: !w probe 103.6.212.28
watchglass: 103.6.212.28:8333 : Alive: (0.537s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=1054
mats: billymg: dunno, i'm of two minds about it
mats: its a bit woke for my taste, but if you think the median man is garbage and needs stepping on, as i do, its sensible
mats: in econ, https://archive.ph/Y5te7 "How Safe Assets Became Investors' Biggest Risk: 'Risk-free' is the most important concept in financial markets because it's the baseline for setting the value of pretty much everything. Now the pandemic has drained it of meaning."
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