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asciilifeform: cement tester at 381+k.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $39039.37
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=724323
watchglass: : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : Alive: (0.031s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=724323 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.241s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.254s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724124
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.390s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.593s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : Alive: (0.413s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724323
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: interestingly, some blox still take >20s to verify, and this on amd 3960x
asciilifeform: ( w/ nvme storage )
cgra: asciilifeform: for sniffing around later, could you mention some specific, slow blocks?
asciilifeform: cgra: sadly did not have timestamps in the debug.log for this run; had it scrolling to naked eye. was in the 381400s tho iirc
cgra: ah ok
cgra: ack
whaack: asciilifeform: cool, i'm closing a deal on a server in NZ, i'll test out your cement patch there in about 2 weeks
whaack: !e view-height
trbexplorer: block_height: 724361
trbexplorer: mins_since_last_block: 4
asciilifeform: whaack: neato. asciilifeform not had occasion to host there, will be interesting to see whaack's observations
signpost: << lol, ru "peacekeeping" mission in donbass
signpost: asciilifeform: you'd know more about the dynamics here. what is it, the pipelines?
asciilifeform: signpost: not specifically the pipelines. ukristan in its current form was carefully tended by the reich as a permanent open sore and stage for provocations (e.g. 2014 events)
asciilifeform: signpost: incidentally a considerably older project than anyone's willing to admit, in fact pre-dates su
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-09-07 asciilifeform: the entire 'great ukrs' national concept. created by brits, then picked up by germany, then - usa, into present time.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-03-24 asciilifeform: 'Russians! I'm speaking to all Russians, those of you who live in Ukraine and Belarus are also called Russians here in the Balkans. Look at us and remember - the very same thing will be done to you, should you break up and show weakness. The West - is a chained, rabid dog, that shall tear out your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not allow the same to be done to you! Russians, why do you
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-03-24 asciilifeform: need Europe? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than yourselves. It is Europe who has need of you, but you need it not. You are so many - a whole three countries - but where is your unity! You have everything your own: much land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had our Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt ourselves to be a great strength, able to shift mountains. But n
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-03-24 asciilifeform: ow, because of our folly, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other - Yugoslavia is no more, and we - are now pimples on the political map of Europe, new markets for their overpriced garbage and for American democracy.' (- from the last interview given by Slobodan Milosevic, not long after he was 'accidentally' given the wrong heart meds. Translation mine.)
signpost: "new markets for their overpriced garbage" << hear hear.
signpost: why the west is intent on turning the whole world into iraq and syria, I can't say.
signpost: putin mentioning earlier that he asked Clinton how the American public would react to them joining NATO was illuminating.
signpost: effectively "they won't care one way or another, but we can't have another great power in NATO"
signpost: only vassal states may join.
signpost: or perhaps "you are already a key component of NATO: adversary."
signpost: iirc these bans provided pretty good justification for selling at top of the market.
signpost: inb4 unban at bottom of the market.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-23 13:08:03 asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston
verisimilitude: Well, I used BONIOR in a sentence, only to later learn the proper form is MELIOR. I figure this is the manner of mistake a Roman child would make; oh well.
verisimilitude: This works, I tested, but it's not clear to me it always works; I quite like the little trick I used for mine, using the correctness of one to prove the other.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-19 01:22:57 jonsykkel: clear
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-19 01:23:10 jonsykkel: dificult to compare minimalness of computation wihtout low levle inplemenation
verisimilitude: My machine text representation will help. I like to imagine a forum based around it. Imagine how much nicer it would be to have a machine-level understanding of which messages reference which, built out of commands and not syntax which can be typed incorrectly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-19 01:24:13 jonsykkel: parsing indeed sux which is why in future when i have my own planet there will be auto enforced death penalty for breaking rule that data shud stay in machine format until displayed to user
verisimilitude: Perhaps most importantly, consider the forum communicating to the client with normal messages that aren't parsed to divine meaning; consider this: new code: 29
verisimilitude: However, consider a system where those two words and their trailing punctuation fit in two thirty-two bit words; consider that the system wouldn't parse them, but simply know of the message ahead of time, and compare verbatim templates for the context until it determines which one matches; consider that new code of 29 isn't a number to be parsed, but inlined in the message as a known number.
verisimilitude: Lastly, consider that what I've shown is merely how the message could be displayed to a human. The only disadvantage here is the inability to change message text, not that it would be a great loss. This is a true format for intercommunication, trivial for machines and with no parsing, yet able to be displayed to a human without issue.
verisimilitude: These characters have been recycled from another conversation, but I'm not certain anyone would wish me to link it here.
verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, I was skulking around and came across this:
verisimilitude: I like how the first comment concerns how the article triggered a thought-terminating checklist that had the reader lose interest.
verisimilitude: He even called it the ``outside view checklist''.
verisimilitude: Progress marches ever onward, so it's never ever ever the case that only a small group of people be right; if it be not found in (SYMBOL-PLIST BIG-CORPORATE-MEDIA) then it won't be worth thinking about, clearly.
crtdaydreams: << Interesting responses to that article, I quite liked it when I first read it. I would have to say that alexandria here makes a very good point on design. (I'd like to point out that I neither agree nor disagree with the opening statement. Objectively; it's an inconsiderate
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-21 22:09:09 verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, I was skulking around and came across this:
crtdaydreams: half-truth.) I would put forth that ``designing'' a proggy is far more foolish, as evident by the existence of this. Of course it's arguable that it's muh standards fault. But in all practicality, the limit for design appears to be the number of datastructures one can understand and utilize. Taking on a different definition for
crtdaydreams: design though, one more oriented towards a creative process. One can definitely see the need for a different way of thinking, as a programmer you have the capabilities to make wonderful things if you change tack from thinking about how to flip bits to how you want an abstraction to behave. Design is not about drawing DFDs or changing a <div></div> element to be centered. I can't
crtdaydreams: tell you what it is, it's something you have to learn though application, experimentation and principles.
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