jonsykkel: packets from paused peers should be processed normally except messages not sent to operator?
cgra: asciilifeform: in the pest timestamp footnote, i'd explicitly specify 1) the epoch and 2) the time unit.
punkman: "You can already see this on ETH. Downturn => much higher demand for blockspace as all protocols must rebalance => much higher fees. Demand driven by MEV. A single oracle update could theoretically congest the entire chain."
punkman: so bitcoin price goes down, eth (and other shitcoins) price goes down, all the "automated market makers" and "liquidity pools" must rebalance/move money around, blockchain gets congested, fees skyrocket
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-22#1067308 << the inventor of CSS, Hakon Lie, was also Norwegian.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-22 21:18:03 asciilifeform: prior to jonsykkel showing up, could name 3 norwegians , all dead : ibsen, quisling, and naggum
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-23#1067381 << I was about to say the same thing.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-23 16:12:00 asciilifeform: thimbronion: a useful pheature for debug log may be to show by how much / in what dir. timestamp stale.
gregory5: asciilifeform: thimbronion: I had not known that sixty-four bit timestamps were a separate standard.
gregory5: I thought they were just thirty-two bit timestamps which were widened in order to avoid 2038 overflow.
gregory5: how is the value of the sixty-four bit timestamp determined?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067396 << lolno. reread that section : 'Temporarily disable all communication with the peer identified by HANDLE, without discarding any data.'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 04:07:45 jonsykkel: packets from paused peers should be processed normally except messages not sent to operator?
asciilifeform: what part of 'all' is unclear ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067397 << this is a good point and will go in next ver.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 04:59:52 cgra: asciilifeform: in the pest timestamp footnote, i'd explicitly specify 1) the epoch and 2) the time unit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067400 << at least as 'great' as quisling, lol!
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 07:51:45 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-22#1067308 << the inventor of CSS, Hakon Lie, was also Norwegian.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 07:53:41 gregory5: I thought they were just thirty-two bit timestamps which were widened in order to avoid 2038 overflow.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067406 << '64-bit unsigned fixed-point number, in seconds relative to 00:00:00 January 1, 1970, UTC'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 08:02:58 gregory5: how is the value of the sixty-four bit timestamp determined?
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $56146.47
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711132
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711132
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.123s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711132 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.175s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.244s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.256s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.643s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711132
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067416 << my uneducated assumption was pest timestamp is an integer. i'd specify the fixed-pointness and its bit division too in the footnote
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 09:36:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067406 << '64-bit unsigned fixed-point number, in seconds relative to 00:00:00 January 1, 1970, UTC'
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067416 << so the value isn't an integer? it is a "fixed point" number? how many points after the decimal place?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 09:36:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067406 << '64-bit unsigned fixed-point number, in seconds relative to 00:00:00 January 1, 1970, UTC'
gregory5: asciilifeform: currently, the value which I am sending is the thirty-two bit timestamp, but with four zeros added onto the end.
gregory5: by "four zeros" I mean "four zero bytes."
cgra: actually, isn't fixed-pointness or an integer just two different ways to look at the same thing, if you adjust the unit accordingly
gregory5: thimbronion: you might reconsider using Python's time.time()
gregory5: according to the official manual: "The epoch is the point where the time starts, and is platform dependent."
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067443 << blatta message timestamps are integers, in 1-second units, note thimbronion gregory5
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 10:04:51 gregory5: asciilifeform: currently, the value which I am sending is the thirty-two bit timestamp, but with four zeros added onto the end.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 09:59:23 cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067416 << my uneducated assumption was pest timestamp is an integer. i'd specify the fixed-pointness and its bit division too in the footnote
asciilifeform: dunno why i said 'fixed point' lol
asciilifeform: it's an integer. as returned by current linux.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067443 << this is correct (unless you're suffering endianism issues)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 10:04:51 gregory5: asciilifeform: currently, the value which I am sending is the thirty-two bit timestamp, but with four zeros added onto the end.
asciilifeform must bbl
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067446 <-> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-23#1067384
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 10:07:18 gregory5: thimbronion: you might reconsider using Python's time.time()
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-23 16:14:25 thimbronion: asciilifeform: possibly blatta is doing that? message.timestamp = int(time.time())
thimbronion: oh I see -- REconsider. Yeah reconsidering.
thimbronion: gregory5: for epoch time in seconds 1637779208, these are the bytes that blatta would put in the timestamp field: '08879e6100000000'
cgra: i thought unix timestamp had smaller than 1-second units, but i was apparently wrong (maybe too much personal oop/spackle stack history).
asciilifeform: pest timestamp wouldn't imho benefit from sub-second units anyway
asciilifeform: its only purpose is to put a damper on replayism
jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067407 << right, this is what i thouht at first, but then if pause peer you will still probably receive hearsay from said peer if someone else in net relays his messages
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 09:24:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067396 << lolno. reread that section : 'Temporarily disable all communication with the peer identified by HANDLE, without discarding any data.'
jonsykkel: also if unpause 20days later will be getdata city
jonsykkel: (unless aforementioned hearsay messages get added to peers chain?)
jonsykkel: purpose of pausing is simply to cut link to peer? should this be implemented as skiping over his keys when verifying incoming udp paket?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067465 << you will. (if dun want to, is what 'gag' is for)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 17:06:08 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067407 << right, this is what i thouht at first, but then if pause peer you will still probably receive hearsay from said peer if someone else in net relays his messages
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-24#1067467 << only if there was buncha items direct-messaged or hearsayed only via ~that~ peer
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 17:07:21 jonsykkel: also if unpause 20days later will be getdata city
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 17:59:52 jonsykkel: purpose of pausing is simply to cut link to peer? should this be implemented as skiping over his keys when verifying incoming udp paket?
asciilifeform: ( when verifying and also when sending )
jonsykkel: alright
asciilifeform thinks: prolly oughta still store msgs from the gagged, to avoid infinite getdata wank re same
asciilifeform: will go in next rev of spec if no one suggests a cleaner way.
vex: sounds like a useful knob to me
vex gets all nostalgic; from the good old days
vex: most expensive telugu motion picture ever made, I thought it might've woken phf or jurov from slumber
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-22 23:07:42 vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWWHI7SE0KQ phf, can u traslate?
vex: the hero is deaf, the first hour is all fun, take the pet. second two hours are hard revenge.
vex: I'm guessing if you take your fave fresh pet to the cinema you bounce after she heard her fave song
vex: i hear the words like phf might
vex: not even
vex: errycunt has a unique outlook on life; they're all basically unfathomably
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNTk5xsxk4 meanwhile in ganja, I'm working on fa18. all ada
vex: mig basically the same
vex: if you wanna make a hard turn and the compuet not to fuckup. c++ doesn't reeally cut it
vex: I googled something the other day and saw a picture of a cat in a wizard hat.
vex: I laughed, then realised, asciilifeform is prolly already v&
vex: either that or theres some stan midget on the way
vex: I'd make an excellent godfather alfie.
vex: in reality I'd suggest bpb
vex: bible stories + heavy respect
vex: uncle vex might teach bodysurfing & sailing without death
vex: gotta dump the titsuckers in the pool 1st
vex: sink or swim
vex: they all swim
vex: meanwhile, beyond new caledonia, in radfio biz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_uf-QRQto
asciilifeform: vex: that cat ? ancient ru net meme
vex: It cockled my heart to find your cat when I wasn't looking for it
asciilifeform: there's 'over9000' variations
asciilifeform: cat waves magick wand, 'grants wish' (usually with literal meaning, and not always as desired by wisher) 'suddenly'
vex: I can't part sthe riski surroundig it, so that's good info
vex: did you use gimp?
vex: i feel like I'd like to hear you used mspaint
asciilifeform: gimp
vex: works
jonsykkel: would pay coin to have native mspaint clone
jonsykkel: winxp edition with 3 undo limit removed
jonsykkel: all other editors useless
asciilifeform: dosbox+'deluxepaint' still champ imho
jonsykkel: could be usable
asciilifeform: the 'all controls fit in head' simplicity of 'paint', w/out the msidjicy
asciilifeform: 320x200 tho
vex: I like the way u think cunt
jonsykkel: good enuf for most stuff
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: just about all timeless msdos game classics drawn in subj
asciilifeform: (iirc orig. was for... amiga. i have the bound b00k manual somewhere)
vex: I think it's very late in Norway
jonsykkel: very nice
vex: oh
jonsykkel: 5oclok
vex: morning?
jonsykkel: ye
vex: wow
vex: let's call it early
jonsykkel: agree to agree
asciilifeform sat for hr+ rereading vex's nostalgic 'old dayz' log... not nostalgic, somehow. all the hrs burned arguing w/ maniac who play-acted at 'worldliness'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 20:17:34 vex: gets all nostalgic; from the good old days
asciilifeform: picture if had done sumthing constructive instead.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-24 20:17:36 vex: from da logs
vex: did naggum die from aclohol?
asciilifeform: vex: not afaik
vex: also sat for hr
vex: thankfully I wasn't mentioned
asciilifeform: sumbody oughta compile a 'best-of' mpidjicy -- dig out e.g. that thrd where he insisted he'd fired 12.7x108 outta a pistol. or say the 1 where one time pad 'vulnerable to bias in plaintext'. or where... but why
vex: once upun a time there was a thing for zingers
vex: reading back take more thime than nayone has tho
vex: if you haven't been reading since forever, youi have 0 hope
vex: I will say asciilifeform, once a man quits the mortal coil, it's super innapropriate to wail on the cunt
asciilifeform disagrees
vex: when I dissapear, I hope you wont wail
asciilifeform: per asciilifeform , mp's forebrain 'disappeared' some time in '17-18 at the latest
asciilifeform: ~inf-budget substance abuse will do that.
asciilifeform will bbl.
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkgMt9BVsvQ don't drown
vex: this fool got cooked on the gabby ladel