feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-11-02 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- A Documenting of mine Advanced Asphyxiation CHIP-8 Game
PeterL: verisimilitude: it grates on me every time you use "mine" where you should use "my" - English isn't German, you can't use mine as a possesive adjective
PeterL: you can say things however you want, just letting you know it looks silly from the perspective of an Eglish speaker
PeterL: s/Eglish/English
trinque: haha, I was wondering who would say it.
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verisimilitude: I'm also a native speaker, PeterL.
verisimilitude: I don't show the full extent of mine archaic writing here. In any case, I'm not afraid of seeming silly, intra-Internet.
verisimilitude: I'm going in the opposite direction regarding how ebonics and other filth influence English, and I'll do what I find correct regardless of whether I'm the only human on Earth actually doing it or not.
verisimilitude: This holds in all things, not just English. Anything else is demos insanity.
verisimilitude: Anyway, I'd be interested in any of your thoughts on the article; as ``you'' is plural, I'm not just asking PeterL, of course.
PeterL: But the point of writing is to comunicate, and so typically people follow grammatical rules so that other people will be able to understand what is written. If you don't care if other people can read it, why not just write in elvish or something?
verisimilitude: I don't know Elvish, firstly. Sans joking, no one is unable to understand my writing due to this, and normal people probably aren't readingmy writings much anyway.
verisimilitude: It's ironic to cite rules here, when that's all I'm doing is following archaic rules. Should I just abandon a rule when a sufficient aomunt of fools undermine it?
verisimilitude: This lag is littering my sentences with errors. Anyway, when I learn something is incorrect, I stop writing and speaking it; when I learn a new rule, I usually integrate it into my writing.
verisimilitude: I'm planning an article about this very topic, which may be found interesting. To conclude, I'd like to continue with my Latin studies at some point and translate mine articles to Latin, even though probably no one will ever bother to read them.
verisimilitude: I'd gladly immolate myself in pursuit of what's correct.
PeterL: sure, use Old English if you want, but just understand that languages evolve
verisimilitude: Languages evolve, but the same cretins who tell me to move on with the times also tend to be the people championing pronoun insanity and other political changes they happen to want, and I refuse.
thimbronion: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/hypergamouse/that-poor-guy/viewer?title_no=423082&episode_no=22
verisimilitude: I won't use the singular ``they'', I won't use the word ``cis'' to counter ``trans'', and I won't speak ebonics to reach a wider audience.
verisimilitude: Also, don't worry, PeterL, I do other writing where I write like a normal person, just because anything else is unreasonable, but mine own website isn't such a place.
verisimilitude: In mine other writing, I generally settle for avoiding filth in the room, and not also changing the wallpaper and whatnot.
verisimilitude: I can't view this without JavaScript, I suppose, thimbronion.
verisimilitude: I understand I need to learn a new language, rather than continually find new things to learn and integrate into mine English, but it's so much easier to incrementally change in that latter way, and I'm somewhat trapped in a loop of it until I resume my Latin studies or whatnot.
thimbronion: I'm unconvinced that you can just take whatever parts of middle english you want and add them back into modern English.
verisimilitude: It's modern English; Shakespeare wasn't writing old English.
verisimilitude: It's archaic English, not old English; there's a league of difference.
verisimilitude: Oh, my mistake, I didn't read that as carefully as I should've.
verisimilitude: Well, the English language is on a path to removing gender and case entirely, and then the contributions from Ebonics will wipe away whatever precision is left. I won't go willingly to that future.
verisimilitude: I'd rather kill than speak like that.
BingoBoingo: English has always been plagued with inconsistency. Problem of the language coming together on a slut island dominated by foreign elites like the Current Dutch regime.
verisimilitude: On that note, I'm not familiar enough with other languages to remark, but is this happening to other languages to the same extent, or is it just English being subverted this roughly for now?
thimbronion: verisimilitude: Mandarin is the worst.
BingoBoingo: I have seen efforts with absolutely no sticking power to make Spanish gender neutral, but even the leftists here see that as a sort of dumb US thing
verisimilitude: My Chinese education didn't no far enough for me to notice, thimbronion.
verisimilitude: Oh, that ``latinx'' filth, yes.
verisimilitude: See, if people don't resist, language will just decay, BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: On some level, the language has to be robust enough to resist, and English is the sort of language that surrenders easily
thimbronion: verisimilitude: unless you can unmigrate a bunch of people English is never coming back.
verisimilitude: Well, I won't delve into that, thimbronion, but I certainly agree.
thimbronion: And you'd have to start with the Irish.
verisimilitude: Also, migration isn't necessary to get rid of them.
verisimilitude: Anyway, clarity of thinking fed clarity of language fed clarity of thinking and so on. I'm better for this.
verisimilitude: The machine code program isn't as efficient as possible, I saw an AXXX I could've eliminated, but it's not poor, and I can improve it later.
PeterL: I use the terms "cis" and "trans" all the time, but usually referring to geometries of chemical structures
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-11-03#1024261 << not clear to me that such 'resisting' ever worked.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-03 12:53:23 verisimilitude: See, if people don't resist, language will just decay, BingoBoingo.
asciilifeform: see also old thrd re subj.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-09-29 asciilifeform: this is btw a long-standing q in asciilifeform's head -- wai is it that lang knobs only ever seem to ~fall off~ in archaeologically-visible period. almost as if they were only formed in 'supernovae' of some sort, and then afterwards only decay
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-11-03#1024253 << btw e.g. the finns have no gendered movingparts in their lang. somehow get by.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-03 12:49:50 verisimilitude: Well, the English language is on a path to removing gender and case entirely, and then the contributions from Ebonics will wipe away whatever precision is left. I won't go willingly to that future.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ru, otoh, is considerably 'moar gendered' than eng, has gendered nouns ~and verbs~ )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-11-03#1024241 << good counterexample to the 'evolve' is... icelandic (incidentally, close relative of old eng.) current-day folx have very little trouble reading e.g. snorri's edas
snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-03 12:35:19 PeterL: sure, use Old English if you want, but just understand that languages evolve
asciilifeform: english otoh mutates like hiv virus, modern schoolchildren spit even at kipling, scarcely more than century's vintage.
asciilifeform: while e.g. 1700s ru is ~= the current; and similarly other langs of continental europe, afaik
asciilifeform suspects that english is, in this model, 'unstable isotope', still to this day hotly decaying from the time of the norman conquest.
shinohai: muh brief "services" outage
shinohai: stormy weather on irc isle on eve of BingoBoingo stream
trinque: incidentally verisimilitude if you start writing in latin I will defo continue to read.
trinque: I've been grunting through the vulgate when I have time.
trinque: (familiarity with the text makes it a decent study aid)
trinque: for my education, where is my vs mine appropriate in the older grammatical rules?
shinohai: trinque: Latin (tm) http://ashleighshackelford.com/
shinohai: (you hafta scroll t bottom of whaleface to see it)
verisimilitude: Well, that's nice to read, trinque.
verisimilitude: Both ``my'' and ``mine'' are mirrors to ``thy'' and ``thine''; the former of each pair are used before consonant sounds, and the latter of each before vowel sounds.
verisimilitude: So, I've my cat, and speak mine English.
verisimilitude: Some words, of course, have no consistent pronunciation for this rule, so consistency in cohice is the best way to cope with them.
BingoBoingo: shinohai Fair warming, I am going to have the thirst trapping dialed up to 11. May not be able to read all the chatlines of people who show up because not-IRC is retarded like that
shinohai: 10-4 BB im cntent observing, opines here or in #agsup
trinque: verisimilitude: I take it all back. fuck "modernity". shine on you crazy diamond.
verisimilitude: I'm curious as to what caused this change, trinque.
verisimilitude: In any case, I appreciate it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i was unable to tune into the stream thing
thimbronion: BingoBoingo: tried but didn't realize until too late how massive the time difference is.