asciilifeform: !w poll
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billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-10#1011917 << was under the impression that he outsourced this. in any case i have working locally the server-side select mechanism inside codeblocks
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-10 23:11:11 asciilifeform: ( mp, of all people, actually 1 time wrote a server-side selector thing , but it dun work w/ indiv. lines of coad in <pre>... so i cant use.. )
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billymg: though it still suffers from this same current limitation, which is more pronounced in code blocks (can only select one line at a time)
billymg: i have an idea for a fix but given how long this patch has been pending i will likely first publish as is and hold the cross-paragraph selection fix for a future patch
asciilifeform: billymg: if you come up with one that knows how to select 1char in middle of words etc, i'd use. (tho prolly would have to use a jsism to compose'em, still, otherwise would take ages ea. time)
asciilifeform: billymg: and i can readily believe that he outsourced -- fella had a deadly allergy to productive work w/ own hands of any kind whatsoever
asciilifeform: but since i have nfi who did the footwork, stuck attributing that piece to mp
asciilifeform: fwiw the ancient selector is a steady source of headaches for asciilifeform ; not only cuz needs a js browser, but when, say, gotta amend an old article, then stuck fixing 5 others that had selector links
asciilifeform: but if i can't select a variable in an equation, or line of coad , or 3 ln of coad, then thing's no use
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, selecting individual characters will require something different
asciilifeform: atm can't even picture schematically how it'd have to work
asciilifeform: (i.e. the start=foo end=bar thing won't work for selecting an indiv. 'A' in one particular 'A := B' , unless it somehow swallows enuff surrounding text to make a unique start/end pair. and then becomes sensitive to breakage from amended article , just like old selector )
billymg: right
asciilifeform: would have to actually insert turds in existing articles, to make invokable selections. which seems quite ugly.
billymg: this only applies to embeddable code patch i'm working on, but line numbers already linkable, e.g. http://billymg.com/2020/04/updated-patch-code-embed-plugin-for-mp-wp/#S1-L9
asciilifeform: ( mp's only answer to this criticism was, roughly, 'only untermenschen post coad, Troo Men post strictly text' etc )
billymg: from this, could add start/end column numbers. combination of line and column numbers for selecting down to char level
asciilifeform: billymg: reminds me, at one pt i wanted to fix 'gnat2htm' so that all (rather than ~some~, as currently, and for no logical reason...) lines in the output are anchorable
asciilifeform: that thing comes w/ gnat, but clearly was written with a left hand growing outta arse
asciilifeform would like something resembling jurov's thing , to replace that with
asciilifeform: afaik no off-the-shelf item exists for this tho.
billymg: asciilifeform: lol at the <font> tag, haven't seen one of those in two decades probably
asciilifeform: it worx, wat.
asciilifeform: as does 'table'
asciilifeform: and even worx on 'lynx' etc.
asciilifeform: billymg: i write these just like 2decades ago -- by hand
asciilifeform: the worked-example tables in 21a-bis were actually the 1st time i resorted to writing proggies to generate the htmsoup. and even there, had to fiddle by hand after
billymg: asciilifeform: true, and i find table very useful still (am using it for the codeblocks actually). i guess nothing wrong with font tag, but <span class="variable"> rather than <font color="red"> makes it so you can later update your highlight color with one line of CSS rather than run old files through sed
asciilifeform: i did the colours in the logotron via cssism , but there it was largely to save bytes / cut load time, rather than 'what if want to change colours later' (it's autogenned anyway, can still change w/ 1 knob)
billymg: > autogenned << ah, fair
asciilifeform: whereas in hand-written article, if for some odd reason 'oh noez, oughta have been 0xEE0000 not 0xFF0000' , emacs 'replace-string' worx just same..)
asciilifeform: wai would i want to have to change the css turd for my entire www , to colour 1 article...
asciilifeform: btw billymg iirc you asked to see the peh colourizer. it's in ch21c patch, but since delayed this (had to do the 15 fix) will post nao.
billymg: asciilifeform: oh nice, yeah i'll start looking at it and think of how to integrate into the codeblock formatter
asciilifeform: ^ the version currently in use .
asciilifeform: billymg: dunno if this item is useful in your thing, but i did promise to post. so there it is.
billymg: asciilifeform: the code embed thing works similar to footnotes, but with [langname[...]] as the open/close tags
asciilifeform: billymg: how do you handle the lang syntaxes ?
asciilifeform admits, has not yet read billymg's detailed guide
billymg: well currently it only supports plaintext and diff (note also this version is already out of date, with indexes instead of strings for lang keys)
asciilifeform: ah
billymg: and diff was easy to support, since coloring is only at the line level
asciilifeform: right
billymg: but way it works is just calls a highlighter function, so would simply call out to a more complex highlighter in the case of other langs
asciilifeform: makes sense
asciilifeform: i ended up bashing head to bloody pulp against the baked-in assumptions in 'geshi' (colourizer lib), where author assumed that "" will ALWAYS be string delimiters, etc
asciilifeform: ( in 'peh', double quote is 'dup' operator, and there aint any strings, tho there is a quoted output mode, delimited by square brackets , which needed similar handling to stringism in trad. langs )
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, got it
billymg: i see now it relies on geshi as a dependency too (i'm not familiar with this library yet)
asciilifeform: it does, an' it's a filthy thing
asciilifeform does ~not~ recommend 'geshi'. but at same time asciilifeform aint a wwwist, and had problem that had to be solved reasonably quickly
billymg: asciilifeform: was gonna ask if it was mostly a matter of time, makes sense
asciilifeform: was 100% matter of time.
asciilifeform: just like the logotron. folx threw up when they saw what it consisted of, but fughet that it was written in 5d, start to end
billymg: cool, will have to look into it further then
billymg: gotta run now, irl tasks
asciilifeform: laters then
asciilifeform for colourization of 'diff', would like sumething like what phf had . but no src was ever, grr, published for it...
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