jurov: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see http://dpaste.com/04VW14W.txt
asciilifeform: jurov: got it. will send tomorrow.
asciilifeform: jfw: got your addr also, but iirc you haven't paid yet
asciilifeform: shinohai: your comment is posted.
asciilifeform: jfw: i'ma get the shipping cost estimate for yours tomorrow.
asciilifeform: ( u.s. post is closed on sundays )
shinohai: asciilifeform: Did my comment for ch.1 not succeed? I may have munged that one.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i dun see it in the queue
shinohai: kk, will resubmit here in momentarily.
shinohai: And submitted, looks like it went through this time.
asciilifeform: shinohai: posted, ty.
asciilifeform: shinohai: make sure you're signing the keccak-reground patches, rather than the orig.
asciilifeform: the ones for ch.1 - ch.11 are here.
asciilifeform will edit the articles to eliminate this potential confusion.
shinohai: Ah kk indeed looks as if I signed the sha512 ones, thanks will redo.
asciilifeform: shinohai et al : i've updated ch. 1 - 11 w/ the proper links.
BingoBoingo: jurov: ty
asciilifeform: shinohai: i have plan to bake the item i unsuccessfully tried for 2y to milk outta phf -- hopper where my l1 can drop signatures for patches and have'em eaten. but prolly not happening until after new year, currently hands full (setting up rack people)
asciilifeform: currently just under half the avail. wattage already spoken for. folx who are waiting, if wait long enuff, will find that train is full.
shinohai: ty asciilifeform o7
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may find interesting the new rk system , mounted last night.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's some nice sheetmetal work. Where do the fans get mounted?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: right on the front rail.
asciilifeform: errything on rail.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at some pt i'ma put in a gigantic door fan, free up some rail space.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if yer curious -- the pedestal is steel; nuts riveted on; rails attached to nuts w/ m3 screws.
asciilifeform: upgraded my tooling so that these (and other sheet metal items) can be made quite quickly.
asciilifeform: commercial din rail adapters for 19in rack are 100% vertical, i found, and astonishingly wasteful of space (they hang the rail in parallel w/ the door and protrude only coupla in. of depth into the rack). so instead this.
asciilifeform: this way also very easy to swap fans, ps (there's a gigantic one w/ own fan and 48 usb holes) , and to service indiv. units.
BingoBoingo: Not bad at all. How long do these things take to stamp out in volume in the upgraded shop?
asciilifeform: the pictured item -- ~2h.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect to make a 2nd one for a while, tho -- ea. one comfortably houses 48 rk.
BingoBoingo: This looks like the sort of thing you could train a nephew or neighborhood kid to assist with if this sort of work lands on your lap in volume.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it visually looks very simple, but in fact tricky -- if you fuck it up, the rails will warp and the carriages won't lock properly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, this sort of light metalwork can be much less straightforward that it appears. There's reasons the sheetmetal guys make decent bucks.
asciilifeform: there's no 'seekrit' in this, or anyffin else that i do, but it does require hands that grow from torso, is the point.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-11-12 diana_coman: at times further fed by the sort of despicable "muh secretz" expert, ugh.
asciilifeform: the pedestal is a standard 90cm one, and the rails are 42cm ea. that's the complete 'sores coad.' nao who wants, can grow some hands, make.
BingoBoingo: Still, if someone in the datacenter sees your rig and wants them for shittier single board computer hosting, wat do? Sure you can share the recipe. Also can build for them at pick your hourly rate. Seems like the sorta thing historically where a 12-20 year old relative would be given the opportunity to locate their hands in the right place.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd be astonished at what people keep in those racks.
asciilifeform: i saw last night, for instance, a crapple 'mini', in somebody's.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's a couple ops that specialize in hosting those. I can only imagine the stuff folks shove into racks when they aren't in a hardware poor environment.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik the reason why no one is making these industrially, is that nobody has civilized small servers (why? rk's right there. nfi.) the dc actually offers 'raspberry' hosting, but afaik they just stick'em on shelves. toy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's the interesting this, this aint uruguay, so not (theoretically) 'hardware poor'. but folx have all sorts of odd ideas re what belongs in a rack.
asciilifeform: some madman even has what appears to be a cable modem in his (how he got the local tv monopoly to run coax in there? who knows)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: historically The Manzana de Mierda has offered a set of server daemons packaged up in glossy front end for the artsy folks shops, with the idea they can do their own IT while keeping their shop's tools all consistently branded
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was let into the scrapyard not long ago. it was full of astonishingly ancient things (e.g. boxen w/ parallel ata, etc)
asciilifeform: i.e. shit you wouldn't host an electric doorbell on
BingoBoingo: Some places here... throw doorbell control et all in their wifi rack so it doesn't look so empty
asciilifeform: waiwat.. at the colo?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. In the various computer shops, small offices, etc
asciilifeform: aa
BingoBoingo: Remember how the rackmount goods store was full of racks and accessories, but very poor in things to colocate in racks?
BingoBoingo: They do brisk business.
asciilifeform recalls
asciilifeform: it was mystery to me, tho, wai they put that shop in the hinterlands and not right next to the country's (apparently) only dc.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of local businesses buy racks without seeing any need to have rackmount servers.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They put in in that particular hinterlands, because it is a very "central" location per popular conceptions of the city.
asciilifeform: ( re dc -- was enjoying hanging out w/ the night shift folx. who also were happy to lend e.g. the torx bit i had left at home, etc , for 0 money )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by what sorta conception is some cobblestone nowhere, 'central', and the 2 only skyscrapers in entire monkeylandia -- aint ?
asciilifeform: maybe in the time of simon bolivar, ~that~ was 'central', lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, barrio Centro is still further to the west, Aguada with a "freezone", and some industry is also to the west. Almost everything government is to the west in Ciudad Vieja, Centro, and Cordon. The concentration of glass in steel in Pocitos and Buceo is a 1990s-present phenomenon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'central' was quite a mindfuck to asciilifeform . i dun think i'd ever previously seen a dead zoo, for instance.
asciilifeform: iirc even in berlin '45 the zoo remained open, right up to the last animal eaten.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The finally started the reconstruction of the zoo a few months ago. I suspect it was sat on like so many other projects to wait for "election year"
asciilifeform: a.
BingoBoingo: "We are doing, please validate us!"
asciilifeform: wai would a zoo be -ev , incidentally ? charge for tickets, like normal people.
asciilifeform: wai does it need mega-payola from the apparat ?
asciilifeform: ( the 1 in washington, is a strange item, doesn't charge, supported by a kinda foundation thing, w/ unclear, to naked eye, proportions of usg vs. endowment income )
BingoBoingo: Apparently they did every day but Wedensdays while open. Animals still inside the closed zoo even. They closed it because animal rightstards demanded the whole thing be redone. So it sat closed to the public, still paying to feed animals, etc.
BingoBoingo: With reconstruction with the aim of opening it up only happening this year.
asciilifeform: a, i thought for some reason there were squatters in the cages instead of interestingly-exhibitable animals nao
BingoBoingo: I did for the longest time as well.
asciilifeform: finally found how to get in ? or how found out ?
BingoBoingo: Dead animals made the news paper. IIrc a hippo.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : maybe half the pavillions in the washington zoo, are empty.
asciilifeform: the animals -- no one will say where.
asciilifeform: this, for many yrs nao.
asciilifeform: when i landed here in '92 was 1 of the 1st places i went, it was quite full then
BingoBoingo: Most of the critters moved to new zoo in an outer barrio. Hippos apparently exeed the capacity of a "Yumbo cargo" three wheeler
asciilifeform: in chicago they still had a jaguar in an indoor enclosure orig. built by barnum. scarcely bigger than what the washington museum has its stuffed one in.
asciilifeform: but he was the only remaining 'unlucky winner', the other specimens were in modern pavillions.
BingoBoingo: Then eventually, soon after then then Intendent of Montevideo quit to do his presidential campaign... Earth movers showed up at the zoo in force
asciilifeform: (there was a sign promising that he'll be moved any day nao, when funding...)
BingoBoingo: Saint Louis Zoo still has original birdcage built for 1904 world's fair.
BingoBoingo: Not in exactly the same location, but they moved the Iron
asciilifeform: hey, 'if worx -- wai fix'
BingoBoingo: 69m by 26m by 15m
shinohai: Ch. 1 & 2 sigs updated appropriately asciilifeform ... ty for pointing that out before I went any deeper xD
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