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(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah; but never somehow thought to mention it in any of the reviews, did you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: speak.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for that matter I suspect your "surfing & guitar time" is more likely double what you "plan" in there, if you honestly add all of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-17#1010424 - so no, don't start watching videos on surfing just because you already took a break/haven't yet started work; leave *those* for the evenings, not the not-that-much-anyway work you have.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: as to laziness, indeed, stop being that fucking lazy, it's not doing you any good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: plans are meant to help, not to hinder and because you can never know exactly what you discover as you go about doing something, there is *always* the expectation that you might, perhaps, need to change some things but *only* if there is indeed a good reason for that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it IS fine to change the plan but as long as you actually do it, as in come forwards with the what and why and set it all out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: where are you with plan + review?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so why not split it then into several, what's the problem?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and note that everything *can* be argued in a ...convenient way :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: there are also I think quite a few comments you just left hanging around there; do realise that if you don't reply wihtin some reasonable time (and doubly so on your OWN blog, ffs!), I'll take it you don't need comments and fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you should run *towards* the scary/don't like it thing, not away from it! the more you run away from it, the uglier and bigger and nastier it will get.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that makes sense but a. start with that if indeed it was reasoned already b. make sure you do have enough time to finish those by their deadline.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: also, hm, I thought you were on writing every morning schedule - did I miss today's article from you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so wouldn't that be the thing to start with and get out of the way?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello jfw ; what's the status on review + plan?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the dinner with neighbours is fine and should be taken; work is anyway better done during the day, not at&after supper.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why were you avoiding it?
(trilema) diana_coman: cool, thanks for the ack.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I'd rather go with only c/cpp/ada in genesis and then if someone else wants fortran/whatevers, let them patch it on top.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how did you plan the work on it that it ended up incomplete draft on Sunday?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why so late with that draft though?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ahahaha, that's not hard at all; but good for him anyway, thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I gather I might not need to read 1k words on suitcases after all; good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: whether "built for" as in the author's intention is immaterial since you can't actually know either way; the important part though is that anything worth reading is worth re-reading and in this sense, sure, all literature is written to be re-read; you can easily argue that it's precisely that the definition of literature (expanding re-read to carry over centuries, not only individuals).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh; so start with that, have a laugh at yourself and you'll even remember it next time perhaps.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's the worry? no need to even count the re-readings anyway; just re-read when needed/it's time comes again, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: certainly; and since you mentioned it as if it was surprising, have this one too: http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do ask /speak up if there's anything.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, darn; sorry.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: my intended comment would be this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=37t_ ; I don't know if it got truncated or what happened (it complains of duplicate if I try it again).
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, now it has a conclusion! but gah, it ate my html!
(trilema) diana_coman goes to re-read
(trilema) diana_coman goes to read properly.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, that ayn rand ref pokes the eye very first, doesn't it; lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, that auto-complete of mp-wp is very useful indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I asked him to publish that precisely as a prerequisite to come and ask for feedback & help to grow it, that's all.
(trilema) diana_coman: it wasn't a put down, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back later
(ossasepia) diana_coman: pfft, take the rest of this hour that you said was available for chat and relax it today + work better tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: looking at your plan there, you are not supposed to have all that much left :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: seriously, way more important stuff to spend time on.
(trilema) diana_coman: couldn't reject it, as it was plenty valid but...tooo old!!
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, last time the Lithuanian border guard was totally disgusted because "it's too old!!!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know what, if you are looking at suitcases for more than 1 hour, you'll have to write 1000 words about it too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: instead of just asking BingoBoingo for what to go with and booking it...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for...how long looking? lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well yes, because had mine too and they can't do both at the same time and etc; around europe I don't need it/care for it but to Montevideo I'd need it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: lol; the 2nd thought there; because it's the one that hits the nail on the head.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that's why I like you loads really; and yes, you do seem to entirely act out the maniacal slavedriver all for yourself there; just ...why?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not like I don't want holidays even to visit waste in faraway lands; but that would mean first waiting for the gloriously communist ro embassy to finish futzing with the paperwork and issue my new passport so it can't happen right now anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hmm, if you say so, all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: are you still snowed in with those tasks for this week?
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds great; thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: so then Fedex it will probably be; I'll get to sign an address and all that by the end of this week I should hope.
(trilema) diana_coman: unless you want to visit London as I'd much more gladly pay your ticket than paying Fedex for that matter.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: well yes, tbh I even looked and return tickets London-Montevideo are ~1k even if bought without much time in advance; so adding customs and whatever, I suspect it ends up ~same; but travel = time and uhm.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I suppose it will have to be Fedex unless I figure out an entirely different approach to this, huh.
(trilema) diana_coman: not sure how the "won't pay for shipping those all the way from uruguay" directly translates into no value on amd processors; not like I don't have around me mainly amd processors for that matter.
(trilema) diana_coman: FGs are also way easier to ship than servers & switches.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: atm I'm not sure I have many alternatives tbh; mind getting an estimate from fedex/dhl for me? I found this estimate for the US in the logs, but I doubt it will be similar for crossing the ocean.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what are the courier options from there to the UK?
(trilema) diana_coman: more centralized might be a better description I guess; I mean "more organised" in the sense that it's quite straightforward otherwise but possibly it's just as straightforward in Uruguay too.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: more organised ie they just want you to pay & go to some dispatch post office; but it all adds up to the point that it's not really +ev
(trilema) diana_coman: if it weren't such a horrible mess to get them all the way to here, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: for that matter the former smg servers contain FG too but apparently don't quite appeal.
(trilema) diana_coman: atm I don't really see the need for anything more than that anyway; I'll set up again all the data backups anyway, ofc.
(trilema) diana_coman: and yeah, 100MB interface should be plenty for now.
(trilema) diana_coman: otherwise the production server could be up faster on a centos 6
(trilema) diana_coman: re OS the idea was that I'll have to install remotely the proto-cuntoo though, wasn't it?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it was minigame.biz latest (previously it used to be .bz)
(trilema) diana_coman: or at best bulgaria I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman: otherwise yes, at least go for cheapest and that's that; for added lulz, that pretty much ends up in moldova anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: the q there was whether it's at least allignable, essentially; the reason why I took a closer look.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, they do charge a lot for very little for sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, medium & macro businesses tend to be built around the website from what I can see; so yeah, looked at micro and kind of running out of anything to look at anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: they still "partner" with all sorts, cloudflare included, for the most obvious yuck.
(trilema) diana_coman: does anyone know about/have xp with this orangewebsite provider? they are based in iceland and seem to at least 1. accept bitcoin directly 2. require only email
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah; but I had to make myself a new computer for working on the client!
(trilema) diana_coman: come to think of it, I guess that's the root cause of my despising hope really.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahha, I don't recall it but it does fit his utterings as I got to read them otherwise, for sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought that was the comedy! lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I'd call it along the lines of "give them hope it works"; because it's also quite the only way it can work given the other side of "make idiocy cost more" - for as long as there is hope, the cost will be happily paid.
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, if you can make idiots *think*, it's already something.
(trilema) diana_coman: I ...know it; still mess it up repeatedly, grrr.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: eh, I already have a big problem with it but it's not technical; anyways, thanks.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: well, it's really close to town so space is at a premium; though it was very well ventilated & cooled from what I could see (and feel); but yeah, I expect most DCs look rather ~same.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: kind of curious how my dc experience chronicled above compares to yours in the US.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 - I certainly couldn't fill that in and it did precisely pop up while reading, precisely this sentence; I suspect dorion needs more practice defining some manageable scope & focus for one article.
(trilema) diana_coman: other than that the dc itself & tech side, it all looked quite good really; a rather pleasant thing to see all things in their place and ordered and properly provisioned and all that; but myeah.
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways; I have pics and I'll still write up the whole thing.
(trilema) diana_coman: where "me" by that stage was clearly not just me personally.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah but what can I say; fwiw I didn't hold much back eg directly told him that ahem, I can see how it's "convenient" for them but that sort of convenience has a cost and moreover it's totally inconvenient for me.
(trilema) diana_coman: essentially I'd need to fully interface there
(trilema) diana_coman: 2. payment in gbp and invoicing with all their bells and whistles
(trilema) diana_coman: on the negative side, they are totally married to 1. their account-on-website system because, quote "I've built the business around this"
(trilema) diana_coman: I just came back from the dc visit too; on the plus side, they are still small enough to be able to get to know them and they seem reasonably interested/able to actually have a conversation;
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951120 - currently I would go with the e5-2620; not only on larger ram & more threads aspect but also because looking at what is available otherwise, it seems to me that this at least hits on the "widely available" even more than the e3, esp in the longer term; fwiw yest I looked at what servers I could source here as well and sourcing AMDs seems to be mainly an American thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-13#1010241 - meant to say: it's enough to post in #t a question I would think.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you're welcome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cool; plan for them or they won't happen :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the above is valid for you too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cool; nothing stops you otherwise from having a lengthy list to chew through in that happy case when you finally finish faster than you thought you would; but way better to do that then to constantly end up late.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: hm, ok; as a basic thing though, esp if it's something new /you have no experience with, the hard rule is pretty much "estimate the time and then DOUBLE it", lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, referencing takes time, outlining and even working out the content takes time too, even proofreading takes time and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what would be "just what you write" ? what, typing speed? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it's not as much about "don't force it"; it's about re-evaluate *correctly* what it fully means to "force it" ie at the very least 1. how effective it would be (what and how much would it gain) 2. what you *lose* there (because there is always something you'll lose)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and "how much" depends on how good you are at estimating that sort of thing really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, that's exactly it: you estimate what you think it takes, then you add something on top of the estimate
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ahaha, that's no buffer, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: when are you going to switch the writing to first thing in the morning?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's still not a reason to overcram stuff because overall it ends up less productive really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that is true and valid until you die, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do you ever specifically plan with some extra time? and at any rate, do you ever end up with "done with all and it's still early, huh"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: quiet can certainly be had during the day; and needed hours of sleep are still the same really, not like they diminish if pushed later.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for the other, esp jfw, do you really work better at night or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for one thing you just jump to whatever sexy new thing appears
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw and dorion what's with you both with time management anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-13#1010143 - well, it is possible to micromanage but I don't think it's either healthy or a very good use of time really; and more to the point, I really don't think you need it either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol; the joys of mode-based editors.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine as it is, thank you BingoBoingo
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: alternatively if you can point me directly to how you calculated http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950906, it would even save some time.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: pizarroisp.net shows a lot of warrnings/errors spew.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: morning; sounds all doable and with time to spare really; at any rate, it's up to you how you plan exactly on a daily basis.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-13#1010138 - it's ok; but in general you do need to plan some buffer time too, seriously.
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll take my camera tomorrow and hopefully find some time in the evening to blog it up too
(trilema) diana_coman: and I can put whatever I buy.
(trilema) diana_coman: at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just as well plonk a server in there
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, listen, can this wait until I meet those dc guys tomorrow?
(trilema) diana_coman: that's the thing, that I'm not sure that it makes all that big difference really esp atm.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, I was just having a look at the specs
(trilema) diana_coman: a lot of the deps there are not fully mandatory in that if one wants, one can run the client anyway but at the extreme this goes to "well, if one WANTS TO, one can make their own bloody text client already and run that"
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I actually ran it without that toolkit but the resulting quality of graphics is visibly low.
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: the eulora client build guides are still up to date, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: other than that, great to read a trinque-heavy log for once, ha.
(trilema) diana_coman: even better, just publish the damned thing already, will you?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: ask me if there's any info you need from me; and are you going to answer this century re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950568 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm just applying his previous great-sentence since it's such a catch-all, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: he seems to just need someone to commit to ownership of the thing he did, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: it's ok, "we have" the manpower waiting to commit there and all it takes is just someone to commit to ownership.
(trilema) diana_coman waves at BingoBoingo
(trilema) diana_coman: bwahaha that "just need"
(trilema) diana_coman: at times further fed by the sort of despicable "muh secretz" expert, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: there is actually even worse, an initial "reverence" , ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see that angle, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more tech; maybe the opposite, if anything.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah; the reason for my earlier focused & coordinated effort wish.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that's most likely your fly there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: no rush.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and those importing stuff anyway pretty much look for the *cheapest*, myeah; so it will be what it usually is, mostly crap.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose he would probably want to get the CR license anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh; what's wrong with Chinese things-you-find-outside-china in general?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and hm, fwiw I actually got around during those 2 weeks in CR without driving myself (because I wanted a holiday and the driving I saw from locals didn't look all that conducive to calm).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I doubt it's terribly expensive
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you can always *rent* a car too, no/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: other than that, it does make sense to buy a car and start exploring too, sure, why not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, those toyotas-in-cr have a rather poor reputation iirc; I suggest you go again and ask hanbot about this too since she is quite an experienced CR driver.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for all that it seems more expensive and that; your lack of knowledge means that you can't properly evaluate a used car so you can't properly speaking buy it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the first thing if you know nothing about cars is that you should most probably buy a *new* car
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ok; let's see if MP is on anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'm back and I'll be around for the next couple of hours.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back in ~1 hour
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: thanks for the update.
(trilema) diana_coman: in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so I pointed him to the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I suggest you are around at the same time in #t as you might be able to answer better some of the questions, it won't be all just-gales
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you get the early chance to speak up re Gales, see in #t when you get up http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950592
(trilema) diana_coman: me neither tbh; so I'll move on then.
(trilema) diana_coman: the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it I'll probably end up with tmsr-os I suppose.
(trilema) diana_coman: that sounds most likely, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: from cs code itself now or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: yes but where the fuck does one start from to figure out which parts are actually needed and how they interact?
(trilema) diana_coman: and moreover, it checks to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is that it doesn't even have a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what they want
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re moving cs I had a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
(trilema) diana_coman: this is why I didn't mention it earlier really; because there are still some things to sort out first.
(trilema) diana_coman: basically they still need some time to publish now what they didn't all this time and only then we can discuss in more detail really
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re "his clients", they are meant to write up and publish by this Sunday their existing business plan and whatever other related documents they have.
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, I doubt it's *that little*; anyways, I'd certainly rather see it in detail by now, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd still have a look at it in more detail.
(trilema) diana_coman: having to write a full script is another
(trilema) diana_coman: some diddling is one thing
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that's the thing, as I told him after my initial talk on this, the trouble is that it seems to be more of a homework exercise than a system to have.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: he just went to sleep, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: and there's no X stack either
(trilema) diana_coman: because any new package one wants would require someone to write the script for it
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: from what I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw my take so far is that trinque wants to provide consultancy at most.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes; but you can ask in #t too if you aren't sure how it'll proceed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha, congrats jfw
(trilema) diana_coman: I still don't really have any clear idea what trinque has done or wants to do.
(trilema) diana_coman: ... person (trinque?)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordinated by a single ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: much better indeed; relieved to hear it from you really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: no worries; that was anyway @ jfw.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically moving it to standard aka manifest and that's that; thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: makes sense, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: did I mention I quite enjoy reading your reviews? because I do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked, I think the most reasonable thing to do there would be to regrind your vpatch and include the manifest; would you mind doing that? alternatively I can of course regrind my last vpatch and add a change to the v.pl file but there's no good reason for it as such really ie it's a spurious patch essentially.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, while it all waited this long without any good reason, it certainly can take now its *needed* time to be done properly; and dorion and jfw can learn a bit of patience with what things *require* too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-11#1009865 - heh, they are too! and it's quite understandable after all those years of self-imposed "wait" (more like freeze).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked ah, you mean it sees it as a genesis on its own? hm; I'll have a think, thank you for trying it out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hanbot: thank you for the availability and they will surely go and discuss but let them first set out properly just what it is ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-10#1009805 - except he has already a task to publish the business plan and whatever else he has and it is to be done BEFORE taking MP's and hanbot's time; do I need somehow to make this clearer?
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: that sounds quite great really ! re vtools though, wouldn't you sign those other vpatches you built on top or what's the thing there?
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: any eta for that vtools tree? I think I'll mirror it myself but I'd much rather mirror *your* sigs on *all* vpatches - can you point me to them please?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so point him to here and help him join, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: all right.
(trilema) diana_coman: but he was quite young really
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc he silently dropped from eulora, most probably not quite grokking much of it /coming at it with an oh,shiny image.
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6: where's that wyatt youngster, maybe point him to #o or #t-hanbot?
(trilema) diana_coman: well certainly, the scythe is a deadly tool, esp for grass :D
(trilema) diana_coman: is your scythe that scythe? I'd link it, for context if nothing else.
(trilema) diana_coman: while it's been up for quite a while and supposedly it's "community-run", I don't really like referencing it anymore because I have no idea for how long it will stay up
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: do you have a full copy/mirror of eulorum.org?
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: thanks, I was just greping on your blog, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: read http://thewhet.net/2019/11/reading-ossasepia-logs-or-my-jig-is-up/ and then go to #trilema-hanbot and ask about procuring computer parts, will you?
(trilema) diana_coman: lol! fwiw there is also the predictable "hierarchy" within the shit with "end of terrace" being a degree of pride and so on.
(trilema) diana_coman: those must be my "other type" ie still shitty but not as shitty as the other; one the nouveau rich and the other the nouveau poor, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: quite; I suppose the "spreading like rice terraces " could at least be related too, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, that urbanity doesn't exist anywhere currently, sure.
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