(trilema) mike_c: i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :)
(trilema) mike_c: but market maker is down right now..
(trilema) mike_c: usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices:
(trilema) mike_c: good article benkay. it's crazy (but not surprising) that havelock is messing around with the ipo structure.
(trilema) mike_c: and no, i did not vanity gen a "nun" address
(trilema) mike_c: 1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 0.0453 * [ticker --last]
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 30000 * 0.00000151
(trilema) mike_c: but, for the lulz: WTB: 30,000 ATC at 151 satoshis
(trilema) mike_c: i gave it a half-hearted attempt the other day, but i don't have a good gpu for it.
(trilema) mike_c: me with 1, you with 0 :)
(trilema) mike_c: we're out in the cold
(trilema) mike_c: aww
(trilema) mike_c: did i miss the l33t giveaway? i'd like to hoard some more atc at 1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX
(trilema) mike_c: then it's a better troll-box
(trilema) mike_c: make it a plugin like disqus (without the suck)
(trilema) mike_c: chipug: what are you working on? link?
(trilema) mike_c: traffic, it works. sales, it does not.
(trilema) mike_c: chipug: depends what you want.
(trilema) mike_c: i believe you are in the atc-otc channel
(trilema) mike_c: effectiveness is dependent on liquidity on havelock though.
(trilema) mike_c: "we are releasing a total of 228,534 additional units at .0055btc per share"
(trilema) mike_c: that's the first block. something like 220k total (shares)
(trilema) mike_c: and that's when the design for cardano came to you?
(trilema) mike_c: trading goes active before the ipo is over?
(trilema) mike_c: ^ congrats the20year
(trilema) mike_c: they got wesley snipes. and he can kill vampires.
(trilema) mike_c: hm. then why all the ireland tax evasion bs. you still have to jump some hoops to avoid them.
(trilema) mike_c: heh. tell that to the irs
(trilema) mike_c: i thought they could only purchase foreign companies (like skype) with that maoney
(trilema) mike_c: yes, but you aren't evading us taxes by doing so
(trilema) mike_c: hm. b/c they are a us company. seems fishy
(trilema) mike_c: you think they can use foreign money to repurchase shares?
(trilema) mike_c: vexual is drunk half the time
(trilema) mike_c: best remix
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: did he get excercised? put the microphone next to the speaker!
(trilema) mike_c: mains socket produces mostly black in my experience
(trilema) mike_c: i've heard mainlining heroin produces nice colors
(trilema) mike_c: "if everyone who dug a vein died, nobody'd care" << you need a pretty strong soapbox to stand on that.
(trilema) mike_c: i thought we were all out of soapboxes after yesterday
(trilema) mike_c: sry herb, yes. i am saying rho=0
(trilema) mike_c: :) are you saying mpbor is a risk-free interest rate?
(trilema) mike_c: IV is the only variable
(trilema) mike_c: strike price is known, spot price is known
(trilema) mike_c: nubbins, options are entirely about volatility. option pricing is "known", with volatility being the only variable in the equation.
(trilema) mike_c: bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with.
(trilema) mike_c: i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk
(trilema) mike_c: boring is good. no scooping poop.
(trilema) mike_c: why 1.4 instead of 1.6?
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.
(trilema) mike_c: why do i keep misspelling business?
(trilema) mike_c: i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think that was it
(trilema) mike_c: roosevelt had something to say about this
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: we're already out of soap boxes.
(trilema) mike_c: now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)
(trilema) mike_c: and people don't "understand" volatility or EV
(trilema) mike_c: do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.
(trilema) mike_c: a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail
(trilema) mike_c: he's not pumping & dumping!
(trilema) mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
(trilema) mike_c: they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.
(trilema) mike_c: ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.
(trilema) mike_c: but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.
(trilema) mike_c: this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.
(trilema) mike_c: never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)
(trilema) mike_c: yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.
(trilema) mike_c: i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?
(trilema) mike_c: i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins
(trilema) mike_c: ah
(trilema) mike_c: pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?
(trilema) mike_c: pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it
(trilema) mike_c: imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.
(trilema) mike_c: that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps
(trilema) mike_c: if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.
(trilema) mike_c: i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.
(trilema) mike_c: that money is lost simply by rubes having it.
(trilema) mike_c: of course it does.
(trilema) mike_c: bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket
(trilema) mike_c: nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble?
(trilema) mike_c: right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC
(trilema) mike_c: there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps.
(trilema) mike_c: that's three purposes
(trilema) mike_c: i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime?
(trilema) mike_c: whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc ((500/813) - .1) - .4879146
(trilema) mike_c: i bet the option whale is having a bad day.
(trilema) mike_c: this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :)
(trilema) mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
(trilema) mike_c: you gotta include all the images though
(trilema) mike_c: 100:1 readers to commenters isn't bad
(trilema) mike_c: just trying to help
(trilema) mike_c: no offense taken
(trilema) mike_c: data is culled from monthly reports on trilema. if you want to verify yourself, there are links to all the monthly reports on the left rail of the stock page
(trilema) mike_c: i do.
(trilema) mike_c: herbijudlestoids: you have a question about the data on btcalpha?
(trilema) mike_c: hah, yeah. there's even a website for it isn't there? btc sob stories.
(trilema) mike_c: i hate that reasoning. like snackman saying "now i was scammed for $100k!"
(trilema) mike_c: no time for copyediting at the rate he publishes.
(trilema) mike_c: the20year1: good to hear, congrats.
(trilema) mike_c: any time between now and then that it's profitable it can close (and does)
(trilema) mike_c: mpoe doesn't have to wait til the end to exercise
(trilema) mike_c: yes, a little
(trilema) mike_c: it's basically buying them at present value and paying nothing for time value
(trilema) mike_c: time value!
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, just a different mental model
(trilema) mike_c: value - cost
(trilema) mike_c: i always think of it as (strike / spot) - 1
(trilema) mike_c: brown nose ;)
(trilema) mike_c: bandwidth isn't free
(trilema) mike_c: no, they are lots of 100 hBTC
(trilema) mike_c: i'm in a good mood today
(trilema) mike_c: kingofsports:
(trilema) mike_c: it's $5,000
(trilema) mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
(trilema) mike_c: yes, they break even around 850
(trilema) mike_c: it's public rumor now, not knowledge quite yet
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 500/[ticker --last]
(trilema) mike_c: strike/spot
(trilema) mike_c: cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest
(trilema) mike_c: if speculator loses bondholders make money
(trilema) mike_c: who said the speculator is going to win?
(trilema) mike_c: er, buying them :)
(trilema) mike_c: mpoe is writing them
(trilema) mike_c: check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D
(trilema) mike_c: they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself.
(trilema) mike_c: index fund. i like that idea in general.
(trilema) mike_c: ah. ongoing fees.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah
(trilema) mike_c: i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache.
(trilema) mike_c: any particular reason you only PT'd s.mg?
(trilema) mike_c: no point. i was just wondering if it was up.
(trilema) mike_c: do you have special permission?
(trilema) mike_c: symbol?
(trilema) mike_c: that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden
(trilema) mike_c: after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..)
(trilema) mike_c: yeah
(trilema) mike_c: hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2
(trilema) mike_c: i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up.
(trilema) mike_c: i bet you have
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key?
(trilema) mike_c: i thought listing was yesterday?
(trilema) mike_c: lexical clojure is a pain
(trilema) mike_c: how you going to bounty with no ATC?
(trilema) mike_c: vex, he paid me supposedly.
(trilema) mike_c: interesting. good luck.
(trilema) mike_c: planning any changes or you just going to run it better?
(trilema) mike_c: does jurov control that yet?
(trilema) mike_c: ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet.
(trilema) mike_c: 5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold
(trilema) mike_c: really?
(trilema) mike_c: thanks vex. now i am diversified.
(trilema) mike_c: um, yes?
(trilema) mike_c: btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p
(trilema) mike_c: not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again.
(trilema) mike_c: too many hoarders!
(trilema) mike_c: i'll get an address and let you know.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: told him to bark at the dog
(trilema) mike_c: out of power is the payback
(trilema) mike_c: crazy. snowing here too, i think we got 3 inches!
(trilema) mike_c: whoa. i thought you fled to safety?
(trilema) mike_c: that would be better than betting on jd.
(trilema) mike_c: works for sports touts
(trilema) mike_c: sell predictions. tell half of them it's going up, the other half it's going down. next week, split your list again and repeat.
(trilema) mike_c: herbijudlestoids: i think the more analysis the better, so i hope you keep at it. i'm just not a believer.
(trilema) mike_c: 2013-06-19
(trilema) mike_c: like people at a baccarat table marking player vs banker
(trilema) mike_c: point being, you could backtest and find patterns that would look profitable but are in fact completely irrelevant.
(trilema) mike_c: whoa. jd is broke
(trilema) mike_c: apply your quant to JD and see what you can predict
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, like i said :)
(trilema) mike_c: ohh, so if you find patterns in a random walk, then they must be valid going forward
(trilema) mike_c: *double bust
(trilema) mike_c: If price fails to drop more than 10% below the bottom of the head-and-shoulders bottom, then it could be forming a double bus
(trilema) mike_c: your QA site is talking about h&s
(trilema) mike_c: hm. just watch out for those head & shoulder patterns, i hear they're rough.
(trilema) mike_c: right, but if you were
(trilema) mike_c: so if a stock trades down for 20 ticks, you're saying buy it or sell it?
(trilema) mike_c: i hate technical analysis, so excuse my stupid question: wtf is a 20 tick bar?
(trilema) mike_c: you don't know how to take credit for good luck do you? what kind of ceo are you?
(trilema) mike_c: but still, a nice move!
(trilema) mike_c: so you're saying you weren't sure it would work, so you shouldn't get full credit.
(trilema) mike_c: what are they?
(trilema) mike_c: that's some good marketing stats.
(trilema) mike_c: talk about growth hacking. 20 btc into 1800.
(trilema) mike_c: then i could go long, and at least make money when they are down
(trilema) mike_c: difficult to monitor, but i would like a bitbet on bitcoincharts uptime
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, you've got time :)
(trilema) mike_c: hm
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think that will last. surely competant competition will emerge at some point.
(trilema) mike_c: coinbase been pushing that hard. offering $1m in free transactions to business that sign up with them.
(trilema) mike_c: kickstarter is a lot like btc bizness. 99:1 bullshit but there are some gems.
(trilema) mike_c: no investor in an early-stage company expects them to "follow the business plan"
(trilema) mike_c: krs1, that is simply incorrect.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, it doesn't show. but that's the point. you don't necessarily have to spend a lot to make progress.
(trilema) mike_c: seems like s.nsa built cardano with 2% of their ipo funds
(trilema) mike_c: yes
(trilema) mike_c: ThickAsThieves: a btc-funded op should spend its money to make more bitcoin. like to bankroll just-dice.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, it's not that companies using their bitcoins are doing something "wrong", just stupid.
(trilema) mike_c: around we go. what is wrong with it is that in a year that company will be worth $200 and the bitcoins it raised will be worth $2,000
(trilema) mike_c: krs1, wait a year. the clubhouse will have an enitrely different population.
(trilema) mike_c: as opposed to the investors in the company that DID keep buying coal and lost a shitload of money
(trilema) mike_c: i didn't see that statement on the neobee prospectus :)
(trilema) mike_c: well, so is most fiat crowdfunding too
(trilema) mike_c: in bitcoinlandia, there are 2 types of ipos
(trilema) mike_c: i would like it make sense. what is unclear?
(trilema) mike_c: satoshidaemon to the rescue :)
(trilema) mike_c: that guy could probably help mtgox too
(trilema) mike_c: it's a loss leader
(trilema) mike_c: like the february difficulty bet?
(trilema) mike_c: kako works for peanuts
(trilema) mike_c: bitbet fee revenue was higher in Q4 2013 than Q3 2013 despite massive BTC appreciation
(trilema) mike_c: or it would not decline :)
(trilema) mike_c: bitbet, for example, will not crash if BTC appreciates
(trilema) mike_c: untrue
(trilema) mike_c: well, not any
(trilema) mike_c: the20year: you are turning bitcoin into $, which i think is a bad idea.
(trilema) mike_c: well you could. moar JS.
(trilema) mike_c: clicking on them disrupts the reading flow too much
(trilema) mike_c: 2) you can't fking read them because they are long and they disappear before you can read the whole thing
(trilema) mike_c: 1) not html-encoded properly
(trilema) mike_c: said the pot to the kettle
(trilema) mike_c: um, because nobody would bet on yes?
(trilema) mike_c: cuz it's a bad bet.
(trilema) mike_c: KRS1: yeah, that's the point. don't invest in a company that is going to use the funds for R&D or have fiat-based returns.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: oh yeah, 0% mixer. nice.
(trilema) mike_c: how so?
(trilema) mike_c: that's basically what he proposed since pi=4 would be rejected
(trilema) mike_c: it's funny cuz it's true :) "biti konj" ?
(trilema) mike_c: selling crappy racehorses?
(trilema) mike_c: hehe, first race it placed last
(trilema) mike_c: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JnxM_vuAsuY/Tzbk6hagwbI/AAAAAAAAAho/5p5kBwiWw54/s1600/sd.jpg
(trilema) mike_c: [SATOSHISDAEMON.HORSE] must have been a winner
(trilema) mike_c: well if you want a fiat CD i'm pretty sure those are available..
(trilema) mike_c: you mean you want a bitcoin CD?
(trilema) mike_c: luckily our tribes to the north are vital for only maple syrup