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ThickAsThieves: watch a bunch of keychain users lose their coins:
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "Please only fill out the survey once, and be honest with your responses."
mircea_popescu: every page you turn, reddit gives the gist of itself.
mircea_popescu: "Right now, I've got less than 1BTC and I'm dirt poor. Back when bitcoins/litecoins weren't worth anything (< 2 years ago), I had what would now be worth over a quarter million dollars worth in my wallet. I ended up wasting it on stupid gambling sites / day trading before it was worth much. Worst foresight ever."
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much he sold recently
mircea_popescu: for the 2nd rendition in 2018, "i had almost a whole btc, worth 1/4 mn" ?
ozbot: Preliminary 0.9.0rc1 release notes
mircea_popescu: "I myself had over 20 BTC I needed to withdrawal. I requested that I have my withdrawals open, he said he would, then never did. Last night all the mods began to realize it was true….he scammed us.,..even his own admin team. I mean obviously scamming all of you is terrible, but to scam his own team is beyond a normal scammer. It is someone who is the lowest of the low, the lowest of the scammers who are already so lo
mircea_popescu: w."
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: "i couldn't believe you have a web page asking users for their private pgp key"
Namworld: A scammer will scam anyone... ANYONE. As long as he can get away with it. He might not scam partners who live nearby. But from another country, working on same project. Why not?
Namworld: That's a silly statement.
mircea_popescu: Namworld kinda why it's funny.
ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: The Altcoin to end all altcoins ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what diff are you targetting ?
Namworld: Whut?
Namworld: Altcoin: The Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: I want all the diff
ThickAsThieves: obv
mircea_popescu: not unless youy have all the btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.0057 = 5.7 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: I'll consider it a success when it passes Doge
mircea_popescu: figure out based on mining cost what diff you want, put a bid wall around there on whatever altscam marketplace
mircea_popescu: you'll get it by simple economics.
ThickAsThieves: gotta get enough interest to get it listed first
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how they decide
kakobrekla: say neo and bee will support it
kakobrekla: and run.
Duffer1: ha
Duffer1: brb setting up vps
kakobrekla: also techically you can say mtgox will suport altchain(s)
kakobrekla: non capital leter!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves at their level, not like they can make a decision. if you say "i'll put a bid wall for x btc" they can't say no.
ThickAsThieves: hmm
Apocalyptic: I heard you have to pay Vern
ThickAsThieves: i'll wait for any more meaningful moves til i get the source
ThickAsThieves: has a coingen coin gotten into a market yet?
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, i will list it for 4 btc
ThickAsThieves: you have an exchange?
ThickAsThieves: and youll pay me 4btc to list it? ;)
Apocalyptic: haha
ThickAsThieves: can you even do it without the source?
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin and Namecoin
mircea_popescu: the entire mkt depth is like <1btc ?
Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, it's new
ThickAsThieves: seems this would be an opportunity for you
ThickAsThieves: i'll let you list it for free
mircea_popescu: well so then enforce volume not fees.
mircea_popescu: tell him you'll list it if he puts at least X btc bids.
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> can you even do it without the source? // if you have a linux 64-bit exec yeah
ThickAsThieves: dunno the bit, but linux is in the package too
kakobrekla: why put bids
kakobrekla: you can buy it off me
kakobrekla: im jk. its better to put bids.
ThickAsThieves: how does one put a value on it?
ThickAsThieves: it's virtually priceless
kakobrekla: whats the current diff pankkake
ThickAsThieves: hey thats the slogan maybe!
Apocalyptic: heh
ThickAsThieves: making slogans is just too easy
ThickAsThieves: "Never Mine Another Altcoin Again"
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna sting em all into a subliminal message
ThickAsThieves: string
Duffer1: "We're totally not trying to reduce LTC diff, MINE ALTCOIN WITH CONFIDENCE"
mircea_popescu: it's shared anyway neh ?
Duffer1: tat how much does it cost to coingen a new alt?
ThickAsThieves: .01btc, with some upgrade fees
ThickAsThieves: i missed the whole source code part
ThickAsThieves: i think its .05btc
Vexual: does this share keys with bitcoin? can we chared key trade?
ThickAsThieves: pankakke might know
ThickAsThieves: i'm just a CEO, what do i know
Vexual: u running a node?
Duffer1: ha
ThickAsThieves: i havent even opened the package at all
mircea_popescu: lmao
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mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust benkay
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate benkay 1 The original Cascadian.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3075 @ 0.00090799 = 2.7921 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate theymos
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ozbot: TSA Agent Confession - POLITICO Magazine
ThickAsThieves: look new scams!
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate oneeyed
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know you gotta read the log before linking stuff
Vexual: this coin better hit dollar parity, i got an orphaned ATC block at 4000M
herbijudlestoids: soz
herbijudlestoids: hullo vexual
Vexual: hey herbi
ThickAsThieves: herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: double lul!
herbijudlestoids: nice pants mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ty.
herbijudlestoids: are they custom fit? no belt i see
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves that thing has been around since time immemorial
kakobrekla: and is not a scam AS SUCH.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
herbijudlestoids: fancy
mircea_popescu: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 I dunno that he's ever pulled any strings.
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herbijudlestoids: is that romania? looks nice
kakobrekla: i always thougt that were guitar strings or smth.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate leotreasure 1 Trader.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids that is iirc veracruz
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mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Josh_Rossi
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate jborkl_ 1 He blogs and stuff.
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kakobrekla: no more like for mjr?
mircea_popescu: i think he's not using that anymoar.
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herbijudlestoids: here is the distribution of 20tick lognormal returns for last ~3 days, heavy trading last night means better sample size!
herbijudlestoids: (for MPOE)
mircea_popescu: is this good ?
kakobrekla: looks like fuck you
kakobrekla: srs
kakobrekla: middlefinger.
mircea_popescu: lol kinda ya
herbijudlestoids: the simplest story the graph tells is that a gambler could bet on any 20 tick bar and more likely expect a positive return than negative one
herbijudlestoids: it also tells other stories ;)
mircea_popescu: so basically "it's going mostly up" ?
herbijudlestoids: for example, if there is a 20 tick bar with a -2% return, you should bet against it
herbijudlestoids: because its highly unlikely that the next bar will be also a -2% return bar or even a -1% return bar, etc
herbijudlestoids: this is just preliminary play info until i can get more sample size
herbijudlestoids: we are at 155 ticks total
mircea_popescu: did you truncate past -2/+2 or just never happened ?
herbijudlestoids: no i dont truncat its automatically bucketed
herbijudlestoids: so whatever tails you see are the best/worst of the distribution
mircea_popescu: a
herbijudlestoids: definitely starting to look more like the levy distributions that im used to in other stocks
mike_c: i hate technical analysis, so excuse my stupid question: wtf is a 20 tick bar?
herbijudlestoids: its a different way of plotting the data instead of price/time its price/arbitrary divisions of price
herbijudlestoids: 20 ticks == 20 trades
ozbot: CoinBr Live S.MPOE
mike_c: so if a stock trades down for 20 ticks, you're saying buy it or sell it?
mircea_popescu: you gotta catch one of those events
mircea_popescu: (select month)
herbijudlestoids: im not really saying anything based on a 155 tick sample size
mike_c: right, but if you were
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijudlestoids: on avg? yea bet against the down
mike_c: hm. just watch out for those head & shoulder patterns, i hear they're rough.
herbijudlestoids: it doesnt have to trade down all 20 ticks, right? just a - return
herbijudlestoids: lol h&s
herbijudlestoids: this isnt really technical analysis so much as quantitative analysis
herbijudlestoids: there is a big difference
Vexual: no hypothesis?
mircea_popescu: no, we'll just insult your crackpottery regardless
mircea_popescu: listen to that, numbers and zodiacs!
herbijudlestoids: TA guy will buy and sell based on ...for example h&s pattern...QA guy will analyse exactly what a h&s pattern is, expected returns, failure rates etc
herbijudlestoids: one sec someone at door
Vexual: cops
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: cops, hookers or pizza.
Vexual: trifecta
kakobrekla: hooker looking like cop bringing pizza
kakobrekla: id have that.
herbijudlestoids: lemme give you example, this is TA: this is QA:
herbijudlestoids: i mostly spend time on SSRN and tho
mike_c: your QA site is talking about h&s
ozbot: Bulkowski's Busted Head-and-Shoulders Bottoms
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijudlestoids: yes, but hes *tested* it over ~5000 stocks and multiple parameters etc
mike_c: If price fails to drop more than 10% below the bottom of the head-and-shoulders bottom, then it could be forming a double bus
herbijudlestoids: data going back ~30 years adjusted for bias
mike_c: *double bust
kakobrekla: lolz
herbijudlestoids: and what does it say about success rate of this pattern mike_c?
herbijudlestoids: lowwww
mike_c: ohh, so if you find patterns in a random walk, then they must be valid going forward
herbijudlestoids: wut? no...
herbijudlestoids: think of that site like mythbusters
herbijudlestoids: ...sheesh nevermind
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids his question is simply this : both qa and ta rely on a fundamental predictive presumption.
mircea_popescu: which is equally incorrect for both
mircea_popescu: so now, how do you insulate from that problem ?
mike_c: yeah, like i said :)
herbijudlestoids: whats the presumption? you lost me
mircea_popescu: that future data relates to past data.
herbijudlestoids: oh right :D
mircea_popescu: predictive. ie, that somehow a numeric manipulation of the past yields the future.
herbijudlestoids: mostly through the use of adaptive algorithms, for me, personally
mircea_popescu: can you see why that won't impress him ?
herbijudlestoids: i am not interested in impressing, im interested in consistent double digit returns with low vol
herbijudlestoids: ~10-20%pa is good
mike_c: apply your quant to JD and see what you can predict
herbijudlestoids: whats JD?
mircea_popescu: just dice, a dice site.
mircea_popescu: .jd
mircea_popescu: hm what was the command ?
herbijudlestoids: is it a listed stock somewhere? or do you mean apply it to bets on the site itself? i couldnt see it in my mpex data
Vexual: bot is mining atc
kakobrekla: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
kakobrekla: or what
herbijudlestoids: the simplest betting strategy is to bet on the low volatility bets, i.e. those that have a low payoff but high probability of succeeding
kakobrekla: SCAM.
herbijudlestoids: most gamblers cant beat that strategy
mircea_popescu: whgat ?!
mike_c: whoa. jd is broke
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kakobrekla: he changed ips
kakobrekla: apparently
mircea_popescu: o
kakobrekla: i had direct access to his server
kakobrekla: for assbot
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids jd is a dice site. people gamble on it. its house edge is 1%. the returns it pays investors vary wildly.
mircea_popescu: you can bet on any self-chosen odds, including 95% for a 4% gain or w/e.
mike_c: point being, you could backtest and find patterns that would look profitable but are in fact completely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: people do, all the time, actually.
mircea_popescu: about half the time they work.
mike_c: like people at a baccarat table marking player vs banker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00090799 = 14.0738 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with an actual quant.
herbijudlestoids: i dont really look for any form of complex pattern
mircea_popescu: too many tas in bitcoin as it is.
herbijudlestoids: im looking for robustness and simplicity
Vexual: the lucky chap claimed to have spotted it when he took jd for thousands
mircea_popescu: Vexual the first time it happened it spooked doog to all hell.
herbijudlestoids: if its a regular dice site i would say just bet using kelly criterion
herbijudlestoids: hard to outperform that
Vexual: yeah i dont doubt that mp
mircea_popescu: i wonder if im the oldest net positive jd gambler
mircea_popescu: if memory serves i was up 50 btc or so, whenever that was
mircea_popescu: prolly last syummer ? when did it launch
mike_c: 2013-06-19
mircea_popescu: aha. yeah.
herbijudlestoids: hmm ok i just looked, id make bets with 60% chance to win
herbijudlestoids: and adjust bet size by kelly criterion
herbijudlestoids: done
mircea_popescu: by kc you should actually invest not bet.
Vexual: is doog on wot? who's he tight with?
mircea_popescu: kc on a negative ev is negative.
mircea_popescu: Vexual yes. me for instance.
Vexual: ah
Vexual: nuff said
Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust dooglus
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mike_c: herbijudlestoids: i think the more analysis the better, so i hope you keep at it. i'm just not a believer.
herbijudlestoids: hope i can show you some cool stuff when hte sample size gets bigger
Vexual: trade it herbi
mircea_popescu: night all.
kakobrekla: make a blog, post results
kakobrekla: i hear that is what people do
kakobrekla: nite mp
mike_c: sell predictions. tell half of them it's going up, the other half it's going down. next week, split your list again and repeat.
mike_c: works for sports touts
herbijudlestoids: i might buy a couple of bitcoins and bet on just dice...maybe...kind of got my heart set on buying as much MPOE as i can
mike_c: that would be better than betting on jd.
herbijudlestoids: best mates here, peace
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090839 = 4.542 BTC [+]
Namworld: not JD... it's always JD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090551 = 2.3543 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0029 = 0.2842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00090876 = 7.6336 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: ;;seen Vexual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00091005 = 12.5132 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61998687 = 1.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5895 @ 0.00091005 = 5.3647 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1015 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0057 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3918 @ 0.00091239 = 3.5747 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02740002 = 0.137 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 10 @ 0.02511592 = 0.2512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091239 = 7.2079 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17173037 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
jurov: Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC *gasp*
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Duffer1: Jimmothy should be on payroll
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hi
ThickAsThieves: mornin
nubbins`: altcoin millionaire yet?
ThickAsThieves: i have to buy some first
ThickAsThieves: need to get the damn source
ThickAsThieves: being a CEO isnt as easy as I imagined!
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: wow mike_c knows how the sport tout biz works. props.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is how idiots like keiser work, too. all the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts, or so on work on the same business model :
mircea_popescu: 1. you put up a site with some content and drive a ton of traffic to it. google ads, whatever. this is your start-up cost.
mircea_popescu: 2. you gather leads for your "special picks" list, which you contact via email. this is your stable of suckers.
mircea_popescu: 3. you split them in equal halves and give one half one pick, the other your opposite.
mircea_popescu: now you have 50% of the list worth of people who think you must be on to something.
mircea_popescu: 4. you subdivide both divisions. now you have a list of people who know you fucked up twice, this you discard ; two lists of people who think you go tone out of two. these you merge ; a most valuable list of idiots who think you got 2 out of 2.
mircea_popescu: that latter list is your money maker. the merged list is where you mine for idiots.
mircea_popescu: this allows you to actually extract a profit out of the stupidity of people who are too stupid to realise just how stupid they are.
ThickAsThieves: now swap lists for Financial News Networks
mircea_popescu: "ll the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts" :)
ThickAsThieves: surely someone has done a study
mircea_popescu: surely nobody has bothered.
ThickAsThieves: how often tv picks work out to be worse then flipping a coin
ThickAsThieves: than
mircea_popescu: because the scammors can pay, and can scream, whereas the idiots can't pay, and can scream too, and they will scream against their interest.
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mircea_popescu: you don't get a mpoe-pr in all venues.
mircea_popescu: in fact, she's so novel that people that go by "what i've seen" generally imagine she's a poor pr.
ThickAsThieves: it's also funny that this is just economics, nothing sinister
ThickAsThieves: having mpoe-pr on tv just wouldnt be as profitable ad Mad Money
mircea_popescu: well, science employed to dominate idiocy is the idiot's definition of sinister.
mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i woke up after six hour's sleep with two article ideas in my head and ended up writing a third in chat while taking a break from writing my first ;/
mircea_popescu: to think people actually BUY drugs. whatcha got endocrine glands for, ya tits ?!
ThickAsThieves: people like variety i guess
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: my endocrine glands don't produce thc
ThickAsThieves: Hormones - The REAL Gateway Drug
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so return them and negrate your parents ? :D
ThickAsThieves: how long before negrate is in the dictionary?
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud negrate
nubbins`: ;:rate mom -1 bad glands
ThickAsThieves: negrate
ThickAsThieves: (N) 1. An ungrateful person, behaving as if they were entitled to everything. 2. A white person behaving as if they were black.
ThickAsThieves: (V) 1. To treat someone of the same color with the disrespect of racial discrimination. 2. To disregard a respectable black person because of their skin color
ThickAsThieves: verb: give a negative rating to a posting or a definition in Urbandictionary (thumbs down)
nubbins`: huh.
mircea_popescu: dude so meta and self absorbed and awareness rasing this.
ThickAsThieves: it is pretty on point considering your efforts to clearly define niggers.txt
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: "difficulty" : 1024.00000000 harsh
ThickAsThieves: how much hashing is that?
ThickAsThieves: Are we at one TH yet?
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: anyone know a better way to reach bluematt than this coingen email?
nubbins`: kiloharsh
nubbins`: speaking of THC
ThickAsThieves: tetrahydrocoin?
nubbins`: tetrahydrocannabinoin
nubbins`: increase your harsh rate
mircea_popescu: <this is #1
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves use his gpg email
ThickAsThieves: typo: was = wash
ThickAsThieves: thx
nubbins`: hahah hey look, i'm practically in this article
mircea_popescu: :D
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ThickAsThieves: btw nubbins I really like that art video you shared
nubbins`: the guy's very earnest
ThickAsThieves: the guy is nuts, but it's a great mind opener
nubbins`: maybe a bit obsessed with scarlett johansson
ThickAsThieves: hehe
nubbins`: but he makes some surprisingly lucid points
nubbins`: like how there are no "problems" in art
ThickAsThieves: his convinction and consistency made it easy to follow along on something so abstract
mircea_popescu: did i miss this ?
ThickAsThieves: i suspect the editing floor contains some less respectable moments though
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: freakouts
nubbins`: the part where he goes on about whether a piece is "finished" or not is good, too
nubbins`: gestures to a piece
nubbins`: "is this finished now?"
nubbins`: makes a yellow mark on it
mircea_popescu: wow he's camera shy
nubbins`: "now?"
ThickAsThieves: oh yeha that was awesome
ThickAsThieves: the kink article made me think of this
ThickAsThieves: seems the answer to all these queries is Embrace Chaos
ThickAsThieves: why is change so hard for the Old Republican
ThickAsThieves: but so easy for Kink High?
nubbins`: meese said it, all politicians must resign
mircea_popescu: lmao. dictatorship of x comes, "alles super"
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nubbins`: the bit about symbols, too
nubbins`: carl jung would have loved to meet this guy
nubbins`: or maybe the other way around? heh
mircea_popescu: lol alles relic vient kaputt machen
mircea_popescu: ahahaha so basically chimp guy wants no history
mircea_popescu: he just wants to play
ThickAsThieves: everything is a toy!
mircea_popescu: i rest the case on the representation of southpark. this guy is mj, and i'm ignorant.
ThickAsThieves: he musta went to Kink high
nubbins`: all art is play!
mircea_popescu: i doubt he has.
mircea_popescu: i have, and it changes your perspective in a particular way.
ThickAsThieves: you are bias
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: i think when i die, i may become the god of bias.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, there are some other good vice art talks too
nubbins`: the one about bongout is what inspired me to start silkscreening on paper
nubbins`: lel, related videos reminded me of another series they do
nubbins`: where they feed some poor freelancer some acid and get him to cover an event
nubbins`: like a dog show
ThickAsThieves: i'll check it out, but if i get back into printing in any way I will be mad at you
mircea_popescu: wait, is the fbi investigating vice, the drug marketplace yet ?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: ^westminster dog show on lsd
nubbins`: there were points in that video where i legitimately felt bad for the guy
ThickAsThieves: Bilk Road
mircea_popescu: basically how did they call that thing where they paid homeless people to be abused ?
nubbins`: bumfights?
mircea_popescu: it's progressing, now you don't even spend money, just give them some crack
mircea_popescu: and pretend it's art or w/e.
mircea_popescu: funny how ideology works.
nubbins`: fun fact, you don't need to pay homeless people to take crack
mircea_popescu: fun fact : homeless people will refuse money, even in high amounts for easy jobs.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, homeless people will not refuse drugs, even cheap shitty drugs, and do anything for some.
mircea_popescu: somehow being paid is demeaning, being drugged is empowering (this year)
nubbins`: guy in video: "things that aren't necessarily interesting become extremely interesting"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: man, i've already seen this video, and watching it again is making me anxious for him
ThickAsThieves: Is that a term? Doggers? No! Dog People!
ThickAsThieves: even they know niggers.txt
virtuals: mircea_popescu, hey, would quote "a Bitcoin billionaire from Romania" like to donate to a good cause, here is more information:
mircea_popescu: ty
Apocalyptic: labcoin complaint heh
mircea_popescu: virtuals have you read back in august last year ?
Duffer1: alberto about to spend a reallly long time in jail
Apocalyptic: you know mpoe-pr warned it was a scam from the beginnin
nubbins`: 5 bucks says virtualspade takes the money and runs
virtuals: or dont you like to have anyting to do with labcoin, even helping to put alberto to jail
mircea_popescu: virtuals answer the questionm will you.
virtuals: I read that a long time ago, whet question
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mircea_popescu: so then there it is : i already donated to those idiots more than what their skin is on average worth.
mircea_popescu: some took the donation, some didn't.
mircea_popescu: it's how these things work.
mircea_popescu: those that didn't don't get a 2nd round today, it'd be unfair to their betters, that did take it.
virtuals: ok, thank
virtuals: *thanks
mircea_popescu: np
mircea_popescu: but since it's a topic, i wonder if anyone were to make a list of all the supposedly big businesses in btc ordered by the total btc sum they donated to exposing scams,
mircea_popescu: how far on it my say 500 on harnett would put me.
Apocalyptic: what happened with that harnett btw ?
mircea_popescu: he sunk.
Apocalyptic: he just defaulted and disappeared
Apocalyptic: ?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Apocalyptic: i've read some interesting article about him a while ago
Apocalyptic: written by a supposed investor saying how confident he was, cause Patrick got too much to loose if he ran
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: at the time it was a big deal, people really bought it.
nubbins`: "what good is piles of btc if you don't have your internet friends"
mircea_popescu: more importantly, at the time it was really common, to the point of being a rule, that nobody made public default complaints
mircea_popescu: making it insanely easy for the scammers
mircea_popescu: afaik mpoe-pr going all public with it was absolutely the first case a default was prosecuted in public in btc
mircea_popescu: it set some standards, changed some things, etc.
Apocalyptic: because they were ashamed of being scammed ?
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: and because they're generally immoral fuckwits, who'd rather suck up to the scammer as if he were their daddy
mircea_popescu: "can i have at least a little back ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i quoted some stuff from the scamdarknet earlier, pretty much illustrating this style.
nubbins`: "i'm in a really bad spot financially right now"
pankkake: this is still going on :(
jborkl: Just the tip ok? Don't shove it all the way
mircea_popescu: jborkl i got liek 19 inches of pure love throbbin' here :D
jborkl: Lol
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mircea_popescu: pankkake course it is. like infection you know ? there's always going to be bacteria on your skin
mircea_popescu: the idea is for it not to be in the liver or w/e
mircea_popescu: complete sterility is apparently a serious health risk.
nubbins`: not even apparently
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
nubbins`: how you gonna digest!
mircea_popescu: you only eat shit you don't need help with
nubbins`: pure glucose is a tough diet
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
pankkake: lack of bacteria in modern diets makes digesting harder
nubbins`: speaking of food
pankkake: eat more dirt
nubbins`: i read an article about gut flora of natural vs c-section births recently
nubbins`: was interesting
mircea_popescu: pankkake actually it's possible that the recent rise in ass licking as a sexual practice is fundamentally driven by the need to compensate for a lack of bacterial load in the digestive tract.
mircea_popescu: i wrote about this at some point, in romanian.
pankkake: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe thats all eating is, humans trying to find the perfect mix of microbes to balance the gut for immortality
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it really is
mircea_popescu: possibly.
jborkl: Well it didn't work out for the human centipede
nubbins`: consider that a human is just a bacteria colony surrounded by a fleshy support system
mircea_popescu: lol jborkl
nubbins`: bacteria colony doesn't do so well, fleshy support system suffers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that view is not unlike the view that human society is basically women trying to survive men fucking their shit up.
mircea_popescu: popular with some nutty groups :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, kill all the women and see how far you get :P
mircea_popescu: no need to kill them.
decimation: So it seems answer to "why bitcoin?" is "gentlemen prefer blondes" or "choose the black pawn"
decimation: seems legit
nubbins`: i wonder how much of humans' love for cheese, yogurt, cured meats, fermented dishes, etc etc is bacteria telling us what to eat
mircea_popescu: decimation well, if the q is "why bitcoin rather than the altcoin" then yes.
decimation: And if the q is "why bitcoin rather than the fiat" also yes?
ThickAsThieves: is there a religion for this, worshiping bacteria and our role as its protectorate?
mircea_popescu: that q is a lot more complex, but did you read discussion with herbi a few days back ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves only in sf afaik.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it's much more subliminal than religion
nubbins`: is there a religion for being selfish?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
nubbins`: heh, as soon as i hit enter
nubbins`: "wait..."
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so since y'all are a lot more knowledgeable than me : is there a manga/hentai/whatever you call the weird cartoons which is predicated on females being decerebrated at birth, kept on live support systems, used as reproductive furniture ?
mircea_popescu: apparently i broke his client.
Duffer1: the only thing i can think of that comes close isn't a manga
Duffer1: Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang - kate wilhelm i believe
mircea_popescu: this seems kind-of obvious, i thought teh people making them were creative and like... taboo-less
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sorry, court-controlled regex disconnect
nubbins`: lel, i kid
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: i'm sure there's a "manga" of everything
nubbins`: in the sense that some weirdo drew up a few doodles of exactly this
mircea_popescu: i use the same stereotype :)
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pankkake: I have seen those, but they're not japanese
nubbins`: did i tell you about the drawing i found when cleaning out the rental after the last tenants?
ThickAsThieves: that is exactly the only reason i enjoy some anime and asian horror, no taboo
ThickAsThieves: allows new areas of creativity
Duffer1: lol
nubbins`: some weird masked jester lifting up a My Little Pony's tail to examine the goods?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kind-of anvilicious really.
nubbins`: somewhere, someone is wondering "i wonder if that's been done..."
ThickAsThieves: did aeon flux have incubator people in it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what are they, swiss ?
mircea_popescu: aeon flux had an incredibly disappointing charlize theron in it
Duffer1: the mtv animated series was amazing
mircea_popescu: good god, anyone sane filming that'd have had her half hour nude and the rest in latex.
mircea_popescu: the spray-on kind.
decimation: Yes. I read it earlier and now I re-read it. So the transcendental nature of Bitcoin describes its ontology. Bitcoin's effect on the world of humans is more like that of a soveirgn state.
ThickAsThieves: someone wants to buy some Altcoin:
pankkake: I don't know, I don't think I kept those. I've seen a few novels too. crazy stuff
mircea_popescu: decimation even without going into all of that : bitcoin has massive advantages over fiats. chief among which its fungibility.
decimation: Much like Mr. Yarvin's Goldenstein :
mircea_popescu: << this post is epic.
decimation: Except Bitcoinstein has a much brighter looking future than Goldenstein
mircea_popescu: so succint, yet so universally representative.
mircea_popescu: decimation now you're making me read more of that stuff.
mircea_popescu: it always pisses me off, because the kid is clearly bright and yet clearly wilfully stupid. anyway.
decimation: Sorry. He has his good moments, but I agree he is a spaz
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks"
decimation: Bitcoin is immune from legal tender law. Unlike fiat, no bank will be able to force depositors to accept bank credit (in bitcoin) as fungible with actual Bitcoin
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mircea_popescu: well this article does a lot to explain his psychological drive in being so bitcoin-butthurt
mircea_popescu: anyway, the arguments he makes are mostly sound and generally banal, it just so happens they didnt work out for gold.
mircea_popescu: the reason they didn't is that gold has a negative mining return.
mircea_popescu: what i mean by this is : romania sits on a mountain of gold. it was the main source of minable gold for the roman empire, when they finally conquered dacia the local king's treasury financed 100 days of straight games with plenty left over.
mircea_popescu: the austrians mined it, transylvania still sits on a pile of untold millions of ounces.
mircea_popescu: about ten years ago a mining group formed to cut out one certain mountain, convert it to gold (and silver, palladium, tungsten, etc etc) and pay the government 20%
mircea_popescu: (of the gold only).
mircea_popescu: they;ve been trying to push this deal for the entire decade, hiring pr, doing tv shows, paying the idiots living there fiddy bux a head to go "omfg we're dying of hunger", the works.
mircea_popescu: it never worked, to date, it'll never work to date.
mircea_popescu: my objection, and i'm confident the thing that sunk the project (not for it being mine, but for it being sound) is simply this :
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mircea_popescu: why bother with all the digging, all the cyanide ponds, all that, just to get gold out fo the ground, move it 500 miles south west and then... dig a hole, put it there and guard it ?
mircea_popescu: just put up a sign, National Bank of Romania Gold Vault, Rosia Montana Division on that mountain and be don with it.
mircea_popescu: it's,,, just as gold, and just as burried, where it stands.
mircea_popescu: in short : a land deed on a gold field is as good as gold itself. you have a negative incentive to actually mine it.
decimation: Indeed. Gold in the ground as ore is just as good as gold in the ground as a bar.
mircea_popescu: whereas you have a positive incentive to mine bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so the driving force isn't bitcoin's immunity to the legal tender law,
ThickAsThieves: I actually know a guy that manages contract negotiations between governments and mines
mircea_popescu: it's bitcoin's imunity to the real estate law.
ThickAsThieves: he of course paints this as vital to their nation
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is immune to human agency, which means you can't pass a law to hinder it's fungibility.
mircea_popescu: more importantly tho... there's no rational way to represent property in yet-unmined blocks. this is so obvious it escapes notice
ThickAsThieves: but when 20-yr contracts run out, his job gets trickier
mircea_popescu: yet it;s the more important factor.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i bet.
decimation: Right, unlike anything physical, unmined bitcoin is utterly useless
chetty: You can pass such a law, they pass unenforceable law all the time
mircea_popescu: right-o. precisely BECAUSE it is in no way physical.
ThickAsThieves: isnt everything not a thing useless?
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mircea_popescu: or in other words, the reasons all the "experts" in old-fiat crap give for bitcoin's failure
Duffer1: law where though chetty?
mircea_popescu: are in fact its points of strength
mircea_popescu: this strengthening the chief pillar of all hermeneutics.
decimation: Right, and all the game-theory arguments about savings is really just restating Gresham's law
decimation: except bitcoin is harder than gold
decimation: Goldenstein < Bitcoinstein
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: he does get a lot of mileage in wordcount out of restating the banal, but he does so in a pleasant form and this is a good thing,
mircea_popescu: you never know which exact word combo is some guy's aha moment.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's still just as much dicking about with shit we know.
decimation: I find the goldbug's (enemies of the fiatists) objections to bitcoin to be amusing, because they complain about the lack of physicality.
decimation: Whereas that's bitcoin's greatest strength, as you point out.
mircea_popescu: well in their defense, they just rooted for the correct principle their whole life, fighting valliantly for their sanity as an oppressed minority.
mircea_popescu: to have, within their lifetime, their cookie stolen by a newcomer...
ThickAsThieves: Old Republicans
mircea_popescu: imagine if after having pampered jesus for 30 years, the entire thing was suddenly taken over by baby allah.
mircea_popescu: fucking religious war.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much.
mircea_popescu: so i can understand why a 50 something guy with a bunch of gold bars and no functioning linux distro is fucking pissed at bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: and tbh i kinda feel for him. sadly tho, they also can't be helped, because... as tat points out, "The problem here is that you have no mechanism with which to do so, and that because language is not employed for the purpose you imagine it employed."
ThickAsThieves: and why in 15 years bitcoiners will be crying over some newer thing
Duffer1: i'd be surprised if it took 15 years
ThickAsThieves: me too
decimation: At least James Turk is smart enough to recognize a good thing when he sees it. Hopefully he will get his bitcoin exchange running at some point.
ThickAsThieves: language exists so we dont have to hit each other and grunt to communicate, just more economy at work
ThickAsThieves: probly mostly cuz female facial expressions were never well-interpreted too
mircea_popescu: possibly, tho i find female facials easier to read than males.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason is people tend to spend more time looking at other bits, and so lack practice.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's not clear atm that an improvement on bitcoin is in principle possible.
ThickAsThieves: i always considered myself instinctively above average with body language
mircea_popescu: this is true of gold, too, at least up to about 2005 or so. however... it did take > 2k years with gold.
mircea_popescu: maybe 15 is short. maybe we have 250 years.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so does everyone else.
ThickAsThieves: yeah but me more so!
mircea_popescu: those with good reason for good reason, those without good reason for d-k reasons.
decimation: <-- has anyone used this exchange?
ThickAsThieves: just realized that this and our prior bacterial topic bring new subtlety to "trust your gut"
mircea_popescu: never seen before.
mircea_popescu: ;;google john cussack "my gut is full of shit"
gribble: High Fidelity - Wikiquote: <>; This One Time I Met John Cusack And It Changed Everything ...: <>; John Cusack, Gen X's Favorite Antihero | Mother Jones: <>
decimation: LoL they have a nifty javascript historical bitcoin-price chart:
mircea_popescu: did i see 1024 altscamcoin difficulty earlier ? that means you missed no quadrupling yet ?!
Duffer1: any thoughts on the recent high profile bankster suicides?
Apocalyptic: they finally saw their derivative balance
pankkake: mircea_popescu: yup
Apocalyptic: more seriously though, no idea
Duffer1: ha
mircea_popescu: pankkake make a bitbet bet as to how many 4s you get ?
pankkake: I'm not mining anything now :(
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 people generally do not wish to live in any possible world.
mircea_popescu: they have a set of worlds they'll live in, and a set of worlds they won't.
ThickAsThieves: did Altcoin burn out your chips?
pankkake: I guess the bet could be "altcoin difficulty to be exactly X", but I don't know what could be a good number
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin gets listed on Cryptsy is a better bet
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that implies something must have recently changed that is strong enough to shift the reality to the other category of worlds
pankkake: I think there are too many blocks per second and thus even my good finds get rejected
mircea_popescu: pankkake it could be "altcoin difficulty will be a power of 4 by bitcoin block X"
ThickAsThieves: How about this bet : Altcoin is the best altcoin. This bet resolves as Yes if the answer is No.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's not necessarily true. if you won't live in a world without cunt, and right this second i turn all women's crotch into angels' how long would it be before you realise i did it ?
decimation: tat lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves somehow i suspect it's not getting accepted :p
ThickAsThieves: cuz your mods have no appreciation for the arts
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, a matter of days i guess
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
ThickAsThieves: just like my schrodinger's bitbet idea
ThickAsThieves: i will see that one implemented before i die!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, strangest thing : they do! if it has my seal of approval on it, they'll do it even if it makes no sense.
mircea_popescu: now that's art.
ThickAsThieves: thats slavery, not art
decimation: Ja the dictatorship of art is the ideal
mircea_popescu: ^
ThickAsThieves: unless you are Meese...
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic if you've ever seen V for vendetta, there's that scene with "i've already killed you"
mircea_popescu: kinda how the fiat world goes, atm.
Apocalyptic: i've seen it
mircea_popescu: "is it too late to apologize ?" "never" etc.
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nubbins`: hahaha
Apocalyptic: i don't specifically recall these quotes though
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic mebbe time to re-see it ? :D
Apocalyptic: indeed
nubbins`: what a freak
mircea_popescu: "Unbelievable as it may sound, the US economy today is a shadow of what it was in the '70s."
mircea_popescu: hahaha for whom exactly would this be unbelievable ?!
mircea_popescu: srsly now.
kakobrekla: gotta be persistent, you know, and things turn around.
mircea_popescu: paying forum shills now i see
mircea_popescu: shame on you.
kakobrekla: lol
Apocalyptic: that wasn't a difficult call kako
kakobrekla: why didnt you call it then!?
mircea_popescu: zing.
Apocalyptic: i don't follow the scamining scene
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday.
kakobrekla: 3 months ago i was getting ripped
mircea_popescu: and perhaps had that not been called then, it'd be just as difficult to call today as it was then, and then you'd know about it,
decimation: In 1975 the US had a trade surplus
mircea_popescu: yet you wouldn't still be following the scene
kakobrekla: when i went saying such things
kakobrekla: now im getting +1 ones.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday. // you may well be right
mircea_popescu: this is a well documented phenomenon in movies/entertainment, where a show that pioneers a lot of new devices that are then amply copied, when seen by later generations seems "stale" and "uninteresting"
nubbins`: pascale's assessment of funds on havelock: "none of these seem to be worth buying"
mircea_popescu: sorta the same thing at work, in the world which it made, which is entirely populated by its clones and copies, it seems... oddly banal.
mircea_popescu: and nobody can understand why anyone thought seinfeld was a big deal in 1995
nubbins`: same thing happens in music
mircea_popescu: hence
pankkake: héhé!
mircea_popescu: ow fuck!
mircea_popescu: wd lol
pankkake: it even was in my browser history
mircea_popescu: nubbins` definitely happens to music too
mircea_popescu: perhaps happened to music first, actually.
nubbins`: oh sure
decimation: The more white altcoins there are, the more obvious the choice of the black pawn becomes
mircea_popescu: shh :p
mircea_popescu: i keep telling these doods altcoins are useful, and they only don't throw things at me because i'm fucking scary.
decimation: lol
decimation: anyway, if Bitcoinstein rises to rule the world one day, it is likely that the history recorded here will be used as the basis for law
mircea_popescu: there's been some formalisation of this principle going on so far, too.
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nubbins`: any news re: new eulora release?
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it
nubbins`: cool
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mircea_popescu: virtually priceless lmao
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nubbins`: B.* is pretty lelly
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i tell you, if #bitcoin-assets trollcoin made on a lark ends up disloging doge, you will have SO MUCH angry wanna-be financial darklord butthurt on your hands
nubbins`: was just reading up
mircea_popescu: you won't be able to wash it off in a river.
KRS1: eh wut lol
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KRS1: f'n dogge coin is getting on my last nerve
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+]
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ThickAsThieves: is that a bad thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: surely it's a resource for something
mircea_popescu: prolly picking up chicks.
kakobrekla: jurov you already got spam in your blogs commens
mircea_popescu: "hi baby, smell m yhands"
kakobrekla: bitbet captcha rulez
mircea_popescu: << is it not here ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ^
pankkake: it would have to be on an exchange first
mircea_popescu: "But one question, how to do with my block erupter ?"
mircea_popescu: such win.
nubbins`: ^ fake
ThickAsThieves: I decided it prudent not to go convincing people to list ATC til i get that source code
ThickAsThieves: right?
pankkake: right
mircea_popescu: lmao
nubbins`: you might want to remind them that you can't stop them from doing so, though!
nubbins`: heh, dumpîng
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mircea_popescu: pankkake
mircea_popescu: got your wish
pankkake: stupid bets get approved fast!
mircea_popescu: i love a good caper.
ThickAsThieves: just sent .1btc on yes
pankkake: someone smart/not lazy could probably game the bet, with enough mining equipment
pankkake: at least for it to be Yes
jurov: kakobrekla i know i just wanted to start something. when it gets bad i'll migrate to something more customized
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Apocalyptic: .d
mircea_popescu: "what's a keylogger"
mircea_popescu: famous words of a guy with a degree. in Exercise and Sport Science
mircea_popescu: ap has a "bigstory" sub ?!
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled 'idiocracy'; expect a 'bigbooms' sub for war reportage, etc.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: actually bigbooms sounds quite "in"
mircea_popescu: The prison had a debriefing room, where Mohammed, who saw himself as something of a professor, held "office hours," as he told CIA officers. While chained to the floor, Mohammed would lecture the CIA officers on his path to jihad, his childhood and family. Tea and cookies were served.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i am curious whether overall the value of the guy to the cia was greater than the value of the cia to the guy.
mircea_popescu: one of these days one of those agents shoots his comanding officer and then there you have it, you bought m's tea and cookies for him.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.08217274 = 0.9039 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.16999999 = 0.68 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: omfg that board.
mircea_popescu: finally, the kids got what they really wanted all along!
asciilifeform: woah
pankkake: omg
mircea_popescu: first page is 13 minutes long
pankkake: logo, gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can read this?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can read anything.
asciilifeform: what i meant was, without retching
mircea_popescu: it's what you get in exchange for a classics education, you can entertain yourself with any string of text.
mircea_popescu: pankkake why the fuck does titscoin wear a bra
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00294999 = 0.2714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10296 @ 0.00091176 = 9.3875 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: btw, you two, that guy's post is a good checklist of what to do. see if you can match all his links
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
mircea_popescu: "No one observing the Western governments today can fail to be struck by a massive sense of sleepwalking. There is no unified consciousness or purpose behind their actions. Each of their decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chillin
mircea_popescu: g bureaucratic continuity."
mircea_popescu: "a country of laws, not of men" ye wanted, such a country ye now have.
mircea_popescu: dun be a-bitchin' to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.32895079 BTC to 287 shares, 114617 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Professor Bernanke is just that - a professor. He is a specialist in a framework invented to employ specialists. Computer science is full of these research empires, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Detaching your little subfield from reality is the easiest thing in the world. Reconnecting is almost impossible. First, you'd have to admit on your grant application that you'd been studying something other than
mircea_popescu: reality. If that's hard in Berkeley, try Washington.
mircea_popescu: yea, not a bad article really.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00294999 = 0.1032 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59000999 = 4.1301 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: diametric btw re the goldstein thing, grep the logs for "republic of bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: also, for our couple greek speaking readers : Απολείπειν ο θεός Αντώνιον.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έξαφνα, ώρα μεσάνυχτ', ακουσθεί αόρατος θίασος να περνά με μουσικές εξαίσιες, με φωνές -- την τύχη σου που ενδίδει πια, τα έργα σου που απέτυχαν, τα σχέδια της ζωής σου
mircea_popescu: που βγήκαν όλα πλάνες, μη ανοφέλετα θρηνήσεις.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που φεύγει.
mircea_popescu: Προ πάντων να μη γελασθείς, μην πείς πως ήταν ένα όνειρο, πως απατήθηκεν η ακοή σου· μάταιες ελπίδες τέτοιες μην καταδεχθείς.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, σαν που ταιριάζει σε που αξιώθηκες μια τέτοια πόλι, πλησίασε σταθερά προς το παράθυρο, κι άκουσε με συγκίνησιν, αλλ' όχι με των δειλών τα παρακάλια και παράπονα,
mircea_popescu: ως τελευταία απόλαυσι τους ήχους, τα εξαίσια όργανα του μυστικού θιάσου, κι αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που χάνεις.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.54882877 = 21.4043 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.04999993 = 2.6 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02859997 = 0.3146 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 57 @ 0.02899999 = 1.653 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in english, "Good money must have an intrinsic value. The United States of America cannot make its shadow legal tender for debts payable in money without ultimately bringing upon their foreign commerce and their home industry a catastrophe, which will be the more overwhelming the longer the day of wrath puts off its coming. Our federal constitution was designed to end forever the emission of bills of credit a
mircea_popescu: s legal tender in payment of debts, alike by the individual states and the United States; and it will have that effect, if it is rightly interpreted and firmly enforced."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02899999 = 0.29 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ( )
mircea_popescu: the 1800s called, they want their pound of flesh back.
ThickAsThieves: i never realized how useful paulo coelho quotes could be in our world
mircea_popescu: their world, but yea.
ThickAsThieves: “Every blessing ignored becomes a curse.”
ThickAsThieves: “When we strive to become better than we are, everything around us becomes better, too.”
ThickAsThieves: “You will never be able to escape from your heart. So it's better to listen to what it has to say.”
ThickAsThieves: “Everything that happens once can never happen again. But everything that happens twice will surely happen a third time.”
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: fortune cookies ftw.
ThickAsThieves: “Remember that wherever your heart is, there you will find your treasure.”
mircea_popescu: there's an entire subculture dedicated to this stuff (and embroidery) in romania
mircea_popescu: not so in the us huh ?
ThickAsThieves: “It's the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting.”
ThickAsThieves: yeah, lotsa catholic stuff
ThickAsThieves: Footprints, etc
mircea_popescu: yeah. soft catholic, not the anti-abortion rabble-rabble types
mircea_popescu: just... zacharine 70s b movies sort.
ThickAsThieves: i like that domain name, cute
mircea_popescu: wow. such deep.
mircea_popescu: many footprint.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.24310363 = 3.8897 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00292 = 0.2774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45359 @ 0.00009781 = 4.4366 BTC [+] {10}
asciilifeform: so casascius is alive.
asciilifeform: therefore, recipe: QT9701B or newer (Quantum Research Ltd.)
asciilifeform: charge-transfer capacitance sensor (femtofarad!)
asciilifeform: then, do the obvious (or do i have to draw a picture.)
asciilifeform: the experiment's result, especially if positive, will be highly educational.
asciilifeform: (there's gotta be somebody here with a set of balls /and/ free time both...)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9841 @ 0.00010635 = 1.0466 BTC [+] {13}
Duffer1: ya you teach those files a lesson
Duffer1: that surely fixed the leak
Duffer1: oh wow so they just blatantly threatened to shut down the guardian..
asciilifeform: Duffer1: if you believe the words coming out of the mouthpiece wholesale, then sure
asciilifeform: more likely they threatened a pederasty conviction or somesuch for someone relevant
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Duffer1: oh i just read: "Asked if Downing Street really intended to close down the Guardian if it did not comply, Robbins confirmed: "I'm saying this."
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asciilifeform: it isn't like you and i were there and heard what was said.
asciilifeform: all we have is the article
asciilifeform: no reason to suppose it wasn't dictated.
asciilifeform: (one of the purposes of 'totalitarian surveillance' is, when they whisper: 'newspaper magnates can also have problems' and he asks 'how', there will be a relevant and persuasive answer.)
asciilifeform: 'cooperate like a gentleman or you'll rape someone in sweden tonight.'
jurov: yes, govt agent are infinitely cunning or incredibly stupid...whichever befits the conspiration theoris
jurov: *theorist
asciilifeform: these folks have been learning the fine art of human-to-mupper conversion for more than half a century.
asciilifeform: *muppet
asciilifeform: no special cunning required. just an unbounded willingness to use violence - 'soft violence' of disinformation on the rubes, the 'hard' variety for people who matter
mircea_popescu: ah ifonly it were that simple
mircea_popescu: what wunderking of a state would caesar have run
asciilifeform: caesar + mass broadcasting would've been a marvel.
asciilifeform: but worlds with mass chumpcasting don't produce caesars.
mircea_popescu: so then no +
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people in government think you should be closed down."
mircea_popescu: derp you know, as if that ever was different
mircea_popescu: tbh sounds morel ike guardian vying to retain relevance than anything
mircea_popescu: fact is, they failed to publish. who needs a sob story ?
ThickAsThieves: okay i will need a lil help with the Altcoin source
ThickAsThieves: he's getting it, but says we'll need to sort something about the genesis block
ThickAsThieves: [14:03] <BlueMatt> the only issue is the genesis block is like timestamped or so to make them all unique
ThickAsThieves: [14:04] <BlueMatt> so you'd need to figure out the genesis block, but other than that it would be the same
ThickAsThieves: [14:05] <BlueMatt> you could dump the genesis block via rpc, I think
mircea_popescu: well and he doesn't know the timestamp ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, you can have altcoind dump any arbitrary block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999996 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he doesnt know the timestamp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "Two GCHQ technical experts – "Ian" and "Chris" – recorded the process on their iPhones. " <<< law enforceement never fails to unintentionally entertain part 5487649587695
mircea_popescu: well point out to the guy it might not be the worst of ideas to store that at creation just as a convenience.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00091397 = 36.6959 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: sounds like he's sold or something
ThickAsThieves: it's "in transition"
mircea_popescu: o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.17 = 1.36 BTC [-]
pankkake: maybe a providing an exchange and bootstrap nodes could work better
pankkake: but that would not hide the fact that it was generated, though…
pankkake: (the endgame being destroying altcoins by flooding the market)
ThickAsThieves: "Coding bootcamps are scrambling to figure out how they can save their programs"
ThickAsThieves: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999596 = 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "With zero premine... I'm not criticising, just wondering how you can pay bounties?" see, you're doing it right already.
pankkake: haha, that bounty thing
pankkake: kinda like paying contractors with shares, I think
mircea_popescu: i love how he's taking the entire absurdist angle up to 11
mircea_popescu: pagefuls of retarded quotes and shit. so much win this.
pankkake: "I can't pay you, but would you like some shares of my facebook for dogs website?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's a step up from designerhell's commonplace "i can't pay you but you should do it for fun anyway".
pankkake: I've read a designer blog or something, yeah… I don't envy them
ozbot: "It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it."
pankkake: well, actually, did it.
pankkake: it got momentary hype and is probably dead now
ozbot: All you may ever need to know of financial planning pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: so Kelly = Jesus ?
mircea_popescu: nah, just some bell labs fellow
mircea_popescu: pankkake << give the kid some atcs too eh.
pankkake: ?
mircea_popescu: he's the one photochopping the altcoin into whatever altcoin site screencap
mircea_popescu: ima give him a bitcent, cause you gotta encourage kids. give him some altcoin too neh ?
pankkake: oh, of course
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.00448505 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: are we gonna se altcoin options on mpex
kakobrekla: see
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mircea_popescu: options no, but futures perhaps.
mircea_popescu: if a major player in some alt gets his shit together.
kakobrekla: he said some alt.
mircea_popescu: wait so ?
mircea_popescu: s.mpoe statement rectified (~5.4 extra btc expenses on mpex sheet)
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin
mircea_popescu: dude this thread is so much fun
mircea_popescu: who knew all it took was not premining. certainly all the 5464598769485 derps in the subforum there hadn't figured it out, their premine is like their holy grail
mircea_popescu: clearly satoshi had done that wrong, and clearly they be fixin' it.
kakobrekla: there is no 'some alt'
kakobrekla: just the alt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
mircea_popescu: omg come see the violence inherent in the system
mircea_popescu: you see him repressing me ?
mircea_popescu: you saw him didn't you!
ozbot: Dennis The Constitutional Peasant - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00091087 = 17.1244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00579426 = 0.1333 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
mircea_popescu: "Everyone that is saying that I have some kind of gambling addiction is a douche and they can go and die in hell. I have never had and I will never had a fucking gambling problem."
mircea_popescu: sounds convincing.
mircea_popescu: lmao "galtcoin", libertyblabla, scrypt, only 1k coins (20 blocks) premined for "testing"
mircea_popescu: 2nd post ? ""blocks" : 13158,". premined to all hell.
mircea_popescu: pumper answer ? "o we had an [unannounced] open beta" but srsly, we don't mean to do any harm"
ozbot: [ANN]GaltCoin - Full Release
mircea_popescu: back to the age old "speculator's fault! i swear!"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves << he has a point btw. prolly best chase down the new owners of coingen and nail them to a wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 42 @ 0.00310008 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00090855 = 17.8076 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: shhh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: btw, get bluematt to take off w/e links/watermarks/anything nao.
ThickAsThieves: thats partly why i want the source
ThickAsThieves: to bounty people to clean it
mircea_popescu: i think he does it for like 100 bux, prolly cheapest.
ThickAsThieves: oh thats an option too?
mircea_popescu: afaik, nae.
ThickAsThieves: paying attention as a new CEO, not easy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.028 = 0.112 BTC [-]
ozbot: [BaLBOND] - Pre IPO - Bitcoin's Only Exchangeable Bond
ThickAsThieves: BEXBOND
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Hey @dogecoin, prepare to eat ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 189 @ 0.00447956 = 0.8466 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: btw, if you want to know who we're pissing in the ear of, it's this kid :
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't seem he has much dough left, either.
mircea_popescu: adobe fuckwit.
ThickAsThieves: he made dogecoin, or?
ThickAsThieves: i will use adobe to slay him!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 49865 @ 0.00011199 = 5.5844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <
assbot: 123!
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: You see this Goat ad in the forum?
ThickAsThieves: just text that says "Goat says: "Bitcoin is NOT Illegal in Thailand. There is no law against Bitcoin in Thailand!""
mircea_popescu: kik
mircea_popescu: good for him.
mircea_popescu: thermos is now taking goat's coin ? how much difference does a year make when you're 25, i swear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0280909 = 0.309 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0028 = 0.252 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you need a blockchain reader
kakobrekla: and dice
kakobrekla: and faucet
pizzaman1337: and mpex for altcoin
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves why not niggers.jpg
ThickAsThieves: altcoin will get exactly what it needs at exactly the right moment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the 'rogue' in your latest post:
ozbot: ROG-O-MATIC: A Belligerent Expert System
mircea_popescu:;all << this is fucking retarded in typical manner.
ozbot: [CGA] Cryptographic Anomaly - Rarest Coin EVER - RELEASED!!
mircea_popescu: jesus my brain is melting.
asciilifeform: when do we get 'EGA'? 'VGA' ? coins
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was afaik the best thing ai experts ever came up with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00091382 = 8.9554 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, cga stands for anomaly w/e the fuck. the guy's idea is that the block reward for solved blocks is 0 unless some extended-modulo conditions of difficulty are met.
mircea_popescu: which he intended to make simple more-power equations unreliable
mircea_popescu: but which in fact simply make solo mining even less feasible.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: typical "we will fix this" government approach resulting in shooting own foot
jurov: kakobrekla: pm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 150 @ 0.00262032 = 0.393 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Eurisko' was pretty good, despite the fact that the author 'turned scammer' afterward.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he never published the source, but i dug up a good bit of it via FOIA requests.
mircea_popescu: "You really are a fucking idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. The project I am working on will be more successful than twitter within a year. When I sell the project for 40 million dollars I will ignore any emails from you begging to be a part of it and will send you a postcard from my yaght."
asciilifeform: (Lenat was 100% usg-funded)
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: well it just goes to show i don't realy master that space :)
mircea_popescu: wait.
asciilifeform: me, i was never master, only an armchair archaeologiest.
mircea_popescu: is this the expert system that blew the usnavy staff outof water ?
asciilifeform: the very same.
mircea_popescu: ah!
asciilifeform: he had it play 'traveller,' a (now very ancient) space-war sim
asciilifeform: and won so thoroughly that he was banned from the tourneys
mircea_popescu: tho to be honest... it's success had more to do with bureaucratic idiocy
mircea_popescu: (kind of the reason nobody seriously believes the us has any real chance in any serious military confrontation)
asciilifeform: actually the u.s. navy lusing is more to do with the invention of the modern anti-ship rocket
mircea_popescu: it strictly won by exploiting badly written rules, neh ?
asciilifeform: (any naval battle with something other than muppet state should be expected to include such rockets)
mircea_popescu: a you meant in practice.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't even have to go that far. just, you know... england beat spain into the dirt by using privateers.
mircea_popescu: spain at the time was roughly the us of today : immense empire run by idiots, access to all the gold in the world that did them no service etc etc.
asciilifeform: (brief summary)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00090853 = 15.1725 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: personal crackpottery:
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts that lenat did not write eurisko.
asciilifeform: a student or other subordinate did
asciilifeform: because the thing he did for the next 25 years was a ridiculous and worthless usg boondoggle
mircea_popescu: actually, if there's any merit in the theory of history repeating itself, we could guess that the largest bubble for the next ~3 centuries will be the result of a RoB corporation being granted the priviledge to trade one ships' worth of drugs in the us as a result of a defeatr of the us in battle.
mircea_popescu: hm... that's possible. the alternate crackpottery, of course, being that his actual work is still classified
mircea_popescu: and a student did the boondoggle.
pizzaman1337: mpex seriously made 1`830 BTC from new accounts in Jan? insane
mircea_popescu: perhaps a very tall, slender student perfectly capable to suck a golfball through a garden hose.
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 you know! nobody goes "mercedes srsly sold 50 cars in 2014 ?! ?!?!"
asciilifeform: all of this quite possible. u.s. reportedly had some very spiffy logistics code in gulf war I.
mircea_popescu: it's best showing on the battlefiled for a long... long time.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: well, nice work. It's just hard to believe, I suppose.
asciilifeform: re: mpex performance and outraged lusers: there was an article, many years ago, discussing an overheard: 'is that a real program, or is that something somebody wrote'
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 822.57, Best ask: 822.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 822.91, 24 hour volume: 7141.70092059, 24 hour low: 800.76, 24 hour high: 827.38, 24 hour vwap: 814.575137306
asciilifeform: the uninitiated tend to group mpex as 'something somebody wrote'
asciilifeform: while mercedes as 'a real program'
pizzaman1337: ;;calc 822.57 * 1800.90483924
gribble: 1481370.29361
asciilifeform: and their brains hurt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this more or less reduces to your old observation that 'your dog thinks that you are an exceptionally large dog of the same type'
ozbot: EURISKO -
mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: pankkake incidentally, what's diff at ?
pankkake: 4096
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s
mircea_popescu: meh
pizzaman1337: it'll catch up
mircea_popescu: 283645
pankkake: that's not going to help me win the diff under 10% bet :(
mircea_popescu: it actually might keep it going to 285k
mircea_popescu: actually... perversely enough that bet depends on there not being a lot of power thrown in early.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 184 @ 0.00084476 = 0.1554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3473 @ 0.00091473 = 3.1769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116527 @ 0.00091598 = 106.7364 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00574505 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00549423 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10233 @ 0.00090918 = 9.3036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00092071 = 78.2604 BTC [+] {5}
deadweasel: pankkake: start pumping out altcoins like TAT, maybe you'll pull some off btc ;)
mircea_popescu: i thought they were pumping it together.
jurov: no xenu. bot good.
jurov: *but
mircea_popescu: hello sir
mircea_popescu: we here at mp house all halal, no xenu at all.
decimation: TAT's altcoin should be ported to work inside Ethereum
decimation: maybe you can trade altcoin for ethers or whatever
mircea_popescu: does that actually require any chances on the coin side ?
mircea_popescu: ethereum can just do it neh ?
jurov: i vote for porting bernankoin
decimation: right, Ethereum just does whatever, because it's turing complete.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00091685 = 5.5625 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: [17:41] <lewicki> by your definition that makes Altcoin just as purposeless though, right?
ThickAsThieves: [17:44] <ThickAsThieves> Wrong, i just stated its purpose. Without Altcoin, all altcoins would be purposeless.
deadweasel: and the circle of life goes on.
deadweasel: circle-jerk*
mircea_popescu: my magical future predictive ai (whose name is joan) fails to predict any possible alternative to this thing taking over altspace.
mircea_popescu: it's just too stupid for anything else.
Namworld: Wait, in the header. What's the name on the board. It ends with O.
mircea_popescu: Namworld some localised monopoly.
Namworld: Looks like it's written "Monopolio". Is that it?
mircea_popescu: i think so
mircea_popescu: spanish or italian or some shit
Namworld: Weird
Namworld: Couldn't they have just changed the y for an i? Monopoli
Namworld: Would have sounded about the same as in english that way.
mircea_popescu: i suppose when people localise shit how it sounds in english is not a consideration.
nubbins`: netduino
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00095705 = 52.6378 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: as an aside, i find "scammor" to be a pleasant, if unintentional, spelling
mircea_popescu: no, it was intentional.
nubbins`: even more pleasant, then
mircea_popescu: hacker - haxxor
pankkake: is that glamor+scammer?
nubbins`: brings me back to a heated grade-school argument over "better" vs "bettor" to describe one who bets
mircea_popescu: scammer - scammor. to distinguish between the fucktard and the person sort-of doing it, technically, but with coolness excuses.
pankkake: so when you get scammed, you can say "at least the guy was good"
mircea_popescu: pankkake ever been with a hooker ?
nubbins`: hookor
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: no
mircea_popescu: koh-i-noor
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: well, my next question was, ever been with a hooker you didn't mind paying.
nubbins`: AMAZING PENS
mircea_popescu: yup. i ate a lot of those.
nubbins`: they're popular with screenprinters who do things the old-school way (ink on vellum)
mircea_popescu: some scams are fun. you go to vegas and drop a coupla grand, whatever, it's an amusement park.
nubbins`: i think most people doing that don't have fun
pankkake: I'm too much of a scrooge to ever pay for those things
mircea_popescu: how are the girls supposed to live if you don't pay ?
nubbins`: scrooge de canard
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: du
nubbins`: right!
nubbins`: it's always the small words that give me trouble
mircea_popescu: scrooge enchaine du canard nue
mircea_popescu: this could actually be a club.
pankkake: neither of you make sense
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: what, we can't just pick random mots and use them dans a phrase?!
mircea_popescu: they be not random!
mircea_popescu: enchainé, there. happy ?
mircea_popescu: fucking accents and special chars all the time.
nubbins`: ^ this
pankkake: maybe it's my throbbing headache
lippoper: .bait is offline? :-(
pankkake: cricital infrastructure down!
nubbins`: written accents indicate a massive failure
mircea_popescu: let's reconstruct this! lmao.
pankkake: yet no one noticed gribble being offline for a few hours
lippoper: lol
nubbins`: tbh i was waiting for an AMAZING COMPANY! earlier
nubbins`: wait, isn't that assbot?
lippoper: Can't go fishing without bait
kakobrekla: maybe assbot is not mac compatible
kakobrekla: i dunno
nubbins`: yeah, maybe ;p
pankkake: assbot is case sensitive
lippoper: assbot needs to start producing some ass bait
pankkake: amazing
nubbins`: amazIng
pankkake: AMAZiNG
nubbins`: huh.
nubbins`: well then
kakobrekla: is it really?
kakobrekla: AMAZING
lippoper: World's finest!
kakobrekla: it is.
pankkake: I was expecting you to troll us, kakobrekla
pankkake: I am disappoint
kakobrekla: myea
pankkake: that timing was amazing though
kakobrekla: but you expected it , so it wouldnt be fun
nubbins`: separated at birth
nubbins`: (by several thousand miles)
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: (and probably several years)
pankkake: XORed at birth
nubbins`: "do you want a vag birth or a c-section?"
nubbins`: "yes, please"
nubbins`: did i mention earlier about that gut flora article i was reading?
mircea_popescu: yes you did.
nubbins`: interesting stuff
lippoper: yes no need to bring it up
nubbins`: the take-away i got from it is that you should smear shit on your newborn if you Aliened it into the world
nubbins`: and no, before you ask, i'm not a doctor
pankkake: just eat on the floor
mircea_popescu: kinda why pre-birth enemas went out of fashion
nubbins`: wow, before my time, i gues
nubbins`: altho TBF even if it wasn't, would i have known?
mircea_popescu: they did it all the way to the ww2.
lippoper: Women stiil had bush
mircea_popescu: specifically to avoid the female "shit on your baby" reflex.
nubbins`: now the child is immediately dipped in Purell hand sanitizer
lippoper: No one really knew what a vag looked like thanks to all the bush
nubbins`: only the men who earned their wings knew, you mean
nubbins`: pankkake, is that a monospace font?
lippoper: there was a lot of troll in the last sentence
mircea_popescu: gotta love all the noob posters hardcoring tat.
pankkake: yes. Droid Sans Mono
nubbins`: :(
mircea_popescu: i tell you, i've had so much fun with this thread these days...
lewicki: WTB Altcoins
nubbins`: "Did I do the math wrong or is this really larger than all other altcoins atm?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake has some.
nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA
pankkake: I'm not selling!
mircea_popescu: why not ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56001101 BTC [-]
nubbins`: to the ceiling!
pankkake: lol
pankkake: I'm going to convince my dentist to accept it instead
nubbins`: i'm going to convince tat that he needs t-shirts for all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
jurov: pankkake: tellhim to add liquuidity to teeht/altcoin market
jurov: *teeth
jurov: derp
pankkake: I will have a used crown soon
lewicki: So, no Altcoins for sale?
jurov: i have altcoin futures
jurov: with bitcoin delivery
mircea_popescu: lewicki apparently the miners don't wanna sell yet.
Vexual: price is 0.0004 per each
pankkake: >
mircea_popescu: ya srsly wtf.
mircea_popescu: Vexual get on a horse man.
pankkake: haha, that's the guys, I knew I saw it earlier
lewicki: that 100k marketcap, yeah, nty
mircea_popescu: lewicki let the diff stabilize some first anyway.
mircea_popescu: shoot in the dark at this point
pankkake: I can't find any new block…
mircea_popescu: << you gotta be kidding me, that's like... how many dogecoins total bet ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: 0.0004 is just south of 1%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Vexual how many atcs do you have anyway
Vexual: 8 blocks
mircea_popescu: that's wat, 400 ?
mircea_popescu: or did it halve already
Vexual: 4000
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: there's your xmas shopping done
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: halvings seem very far
Vexual: ima buy me a arcehorse
mircea_popescu: archerhorse ? wow.
nubbins`: call him 'stable'
nubbins`: D;
Vexual: i like it
nubbins`: then release him
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's it at, 30k blocks ?
Vexual: 13k
mircea_popescu: well... if diff is 4k it cant be 13k can it ?
pankkake: 262144
mircea_popescu: each retarget is 2k
mircea_popescu: 262k wtf ?!
pankkake: yay got 0.00000122 BTC shilling for bitbet
mircea_popescu: like a whole altcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00090614 = 17.3526 BTC [-]
pankkake: not even a doge :(
mircea_popescu: is a doge over 100 nao?
ThickAsThieves: i chose the stats by multiplying 512, and the doing 515 ^ 512
ThickAsThieves: [18:22] <nubbins`> there's your xmas shopping done <<< lol
ThickAsThieves: 512 is the altcoininati number for infinity
ThickAsThieves: if you overlap the 5 and the 2 then use the 1 as the connector
ThickAsThieves: do you SEE it?
Vexual: shit, 8
Vexual: infinity upended
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, vexual should be altcoin mascot.
mircea_popescu: he's like naturally coelho-ish
Vexual: im busy printing privatekeys under bottlecaps for stripclubs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
jurov: vexual what are patrons to do with the caps, again?
mircea_popescu: gotta keep busy somehow
pankkake: "Can we PLEASE stop supporting cgminer as the mining solution"
Vexual: jurov you let the lass who takes the wire off the bottle keep it
jurov: yes? i thought it's supposed to be put onto striper's body somehow
mircea_popescu: dude the effort these people put into it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00540228 = 5.4023 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043014 = 0.4301 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 249 @ 0.00042418 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: very logos
mircea_popescu: check out that crazy shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00091541 = 9.1038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800001 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.173 = 0.346 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Just for the record: Approximate price for 1 ALT should be 0.00000549 BTC or 0.0002 LTC or 0.44 cents.
mircea_popescu: (Hashrate is 8900x lower than BTC but in addition to that the reward is also 20.48x higher than BTC.)
mircea_popescu: gotta love this logic.
Vexual: but when it is the only alt?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: which it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [-]
Vexual: so theres around 1.2 blocks to the block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: "My estimate yields market cap 37.5 BTC."
mircea_popescu: herp.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00042001 = 0.147 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1745 = 0.349 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: 37.5 BTC market cap? Amazing!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 341 @ 0.00082731 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Value-added!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00082555 = 0.1222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090884 = 8.4522 BTC [-]
deadweasel: when does it get listed on cryptsy? that's when the others start to die
deadweasel: all flow into 20.48x reward!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00082555 = 0.2906 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]
pankkake: wat
Namworld: Even Facebook is showing me ads for gold and silver coins.
Vexual: that cuban took krss lady
mircea_popescu: that's the worst looking crack whore i ever saw.
kleeck: Wasn't that a confirmed paid prostitute?
Vexual: 6 confirmations
kleeck: lol
kleeck: Of course.
mircea_popescu: don't even want to think about what her skin looked like
kleeck: She wasn't getting through the gate with less than 6.
mircea_popescu: poor woman.
kleeck: What a great way to legitimize Bitcoin!
Namworld: Have you ever had so much crack you turned golden from the sheer intake of value into your body?
kleeck: Yes. That was a good year...
mircea_popescu: no, but i've seen girls with spots so bad painting them with a wide brush was the only way.
mircea_popescu: o look who's back. when did you get out ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
deadweasel: that guy can't get farther from her.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
deadweasel: who is that fool?
Vexual: goldfinger
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
kleeck: :)
kleeck: Good evening to you as well, mircea_popescu. :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
kleeck: Been away for a bit, wanted to focus on my new job for a while. Settled in now so I can bullshit with you guys.
ThickAsThieves: kleeck is smidge, or ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00091541 = 0.8742 BTC [+]
kleeck: LOL
kleeck: ThickAsThieves, round 2?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
kleeck: I missed this channel.
kleeck: Kleeck is TAT, or ?
kleeck: What's the securities drama, guys?
kleeck: Fill me in.
kleeck: Oh god.
ThickAsThieves: now you are all caught up!
kleeck: Don't link me that shiti.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
kleeck: I knew trilema was going to be linked. I just knew it.
ThickAsThieves: no you didnt
kleeck: I did!
kleeck: I even put up a bitbet on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Evil thought of the moment: Will we eventually see a trend of tricking people into losing their bitcoins? (Decreasing supply)
ThickAsThieves: not scamming, just half-scamming
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000121 = 1.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
pankkake: the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569894 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: (the cost of tricking people)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: passive aggressive scamming
Vexual: pankakke selling boobies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1097 @ 0.00042 = 0.4607 BTC [-] {3}
kleeck: He's got to be selling something, right?
kleeck: Is he done plugging Bitbet every 5 minutes?
Vexual: bow bubudaba
pankkake: I am trying to buy boobies, would be more exact
KRS1: o/ Vexual
Vexual: he
kleeck: Are you bitbetting how many boobies you'll buy/
kleeck: because that's important. You don't really mean anything unless you bitbet it.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost << this is kind-of the birth of dragons.
mircea_popescu: people who dealt in thousands are going to be quite uninterested in helping idiots misplace their half bitcent
pankkake: as for number of boobies, wise words from
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2}
pankkake: but even if you have bitcents, people losing bitcents won't make you significantly richer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00092896 = 29.3551 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in this sense people don't use ebay because people sending them 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of all usd won't make them significantly richer
mircea_popescu: you're thinking like a dragon.
pankkake: I believe the discussion was about making others lose, but not lose to you
mircea_popescu: " helping idiots misplace their half bitcent"
Apocalyptic: if you send coins to limbo, every holder profits
pankkake: yes, I am not arguing against that
Apocalyptic: so that's kinda "lose to you" in part at least situation
mircea_popescu: well otherwise, what exatly are the fixed costs to scamming ?
mircea_popescu: or weren't you really referring to what ThickAsThieves was saying ?
pankkake: I feel like no one is understanding each other
Vexual: bow bubudaba
mircea_popescu: lol irc, it happens.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
pankkake: MPOE-PR didn't take my bait :(
KRS1: .bait
KRS1: ;;seen ozbot
gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <ozbot> 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s
Vexual: bots mining atc
KRS1: wtf mining? I need my baits
Namworld: Found a nice graph. I like it.
mircea_popescu: pankkake wha was that ?
Namworld: The heat and feet part makes it.
pankkake: boobs for altcoins
pankkake: the bitcoin part is almost irrelevant
pankkake: what hardware is that?
mircea_popescu: that cryptsy thing looks exactly as retarded as if burnside had come back from the dead.
mircea_popescu: is it his ?
Vexual: 38gh id say pankkake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.179 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahahah best jobs section yet.
Apocalyptic: heh
kleeck: yeah... hilarious..?
mircea_popescu: where you get to "hiring lawyers, with a degree or comparable experience and attention to detail" it becomes quite hilarious.
mircea_popescu: perhaps they also sew footballs.
mircea_popescu: << generally a good read for eager minds and benkay.
pankkake: fucking fuck, "Don't access Project Gutenberg from hosted servers."
pankkake: my IP is hated by half the internet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999999 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: what happened to ozbot btw ?
Vexual: unfunded?
Apocalyptic: I miss his diff estimates
Vexual: 2 hours in 3 days must br fairly close
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17100002 BTC [-]
KRS1: Birdman - Fire Flame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08033333 = 0.482 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00281432 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00280902 = 0.1152 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200003 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
Vexual: .exchange 100 ATC BTC
Vexual: nope
ThickAsThieves: first time i see the baht in a url
ThickAsThieves: i cant even read past the CSS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.172 = 0.688 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin in html
nubbins`: why the picture of gob bluth in that bigfoot link?
nubbins`: lel, i kid ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00092903 = 2.7601 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00166806 = 2.0017 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 (1200 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00166114 / 0.00167482 / 0.00170089 (5000 shares, 8.37 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00179463 / 0.002 (20739 shares, 37.22 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dude! they gave up!
mircea_popescu: this loss for bitcoin retardedness shall never be bridged.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58700102 = 1.174 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 850 @ 0.00166806 = 1.4179 BTC [+]
Vexual: hi benkay, how goes the trivia answers?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04750011 = 0.2375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0475 = 1.14 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.061 = 0.183 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00448889 = 0.1436 BTC [+] {3}
diametric: ugh i hate when the channel lights up because my name was said but i was afk long enough for it to disappear on scrollback.
diametric: ahh yes
Duffer1: ^.^
mircea_popescu: countdown to joffrey headexplosion in 3..2...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.24999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: hewing and hawing?
benkay: chopping and chortling?
mircea_popescu: skippin' an' scrappin'
benkay: would someone kindly a) write my name in channel and b) pm me?
benkay: s/name/handle
Duffer1: benkay
benkay: excellent, thanks Duffer1
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
benkay: what's news, gents?
jurov: benkay pm
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jurov: benkay lots of lulz
jurov: half of which i missed cuz trying to code
jurov: benaky
benkay: o you should offload that
jurov: *benkay
jurov: ;;tell benkay benkay
benkay: rewrite coinbr in clojure and i'll take it off your hands
benkay: ;;tell jurov jurov
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: clojure is a thing now ?!
benkay: lisp devours all
mircea_popescu: (o(k))
jurov: yes, we can do, there's convertor from python :DDD
mircea_popescu: ahahaha automated conversions to lisp are the tits.
jurov: (,)(,)
benkay: i'd love to see the 'turing equivalent conversion' of a python class tangle to lisp
benkay: har lisp is tits!
jurov: haha zactly.sqlalchemy is practically built out of class tangle, i just started to understand it
jurov: (un)fortunately, it seems equally impenetrable to pentesters
benkay: OOP as security
jurov: only now, after a year some figured out how to reach json decoder
jurov: which isn't actually used for anything
benkay: what did the attacks look like?
jurov: malformed utf, sql injections, various tries to subvert int(function)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [-]
benkay: (much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Vexual, but my pattern-finding is getting better and faster)
benkay: Vexual: I also found the instrument mircea_popescu put together to go short pirateat40
mircea_popescu: benkay wd
jurov: oh and people try acunetix all the time.. if someone knows of acunetix exploit, talk to me
mircea_popescu: heh half my trilema errorlog is full of that
mircea_popescu: kidz be haxing into the credits yo
benkay: so MP how did PPTAPR/MAY work out for you? you underwrote what i understand to be insurance against BS&T and I imagine sold it for more than the .00128 face value?
benkay: dah do'h no it only paid out if bs&t didn't have a credit event
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: it actually worked great because ppl bought huge
mircea_popescu: then i dun recall what stupid sidestep they did and ppl panicked
mircea_popescu: sold into my lowball buys
mircea_popescu: was like a week the whole thing
Duffer1: MPOE-PR: taking people down a few pegs, even if they only started with 2
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pankkake seems atc has a quite solid bottom in nao.
mircea_popescu: and it didn't even cost me that much btc
mircea_popescu: lolz.
herbijudlestoids: afternoon fellows
benkay: altcoin is a thing now?
herbijudlestoids: what a saturday night!
mircea_popescu: benkay they drug me into it.
benkay: someone save some for me
benkay: i'm too busy doing historical research to mine the -asset altcoin
benkay: goddamnit i'm going to die broke with a donation address on my blog
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mircea_popescu: so help you.
jurov: cuz your toolchain is dusty and thus nobody can pay you
benkay: jurov my bitcoins are safe in your keeping.
benkay: HA
benkay: best wallet ever
benkay: GPG contracts with trusted individuals.
pankkake: someone sold altcoins?
jurov: don't provocate, or i'll sell the contract to mircea
jurov: like he offered yest
benkay: have at
mircea_popescu: wait, what did i offer ?
benkay: nothing would please me more than for mp to owe me btc
benkay: wait that's not true at all
benkay: definitely up there though
mircea_popescu: lol so lend me a btc.
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
herbijudlestoids: so, todays "i hope this even remotely is interesting" timeseries is the un-annualised rolling 20 tick volatility of 20 tick returns for ~1wk
benkay: ;;gettrust jurov
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
benkay: i can't deal with either of you right now :(
herbijudlestoids: obviously some timestamps would make this more useful
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
jurov: this was mircea's offer
mircea_popescu: also bear in mind it's a scam as per
benkay: how does that thread have 14 pages!?
mircea_popescu: because of all the arguments.
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i think it'll be much more interesting in 1-2 monmths, that thing
jurov: ;;eauth jurov
gribble: Request successful for user jurov, hostmask jurov! Get your encrypted OTP from
jurov: gribble why won't you respond in pm?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yes, i guess what im trying to do right now is see what needs to happen in my data processing scripts etc to make this automated and easy for me
herbijudlestoids: right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, id like to just get an email of the graphics
herbijudlestoids: hopefully you guys dont mind me spamming various images until then :P
jurov: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:072aced25f3df57050d15f4a1727256a97805396c485d39121f254cc
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
benkay: mircea_popescu: you're welcome to assume jurov's debt to me. i don't think i even get a say.
herbijudlestoids: for example today i learned i need to rbind with timestamps in the timeseries
jurov: lol
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jurov: ;;rate benkay 1 good work on mpex missing manual
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: benkay i was just dicking around lol
benkay: well like i said i don't think i even get a say
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nope. alos, cron does wonders
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jurov: ;;rate Vexual 1 good music and fun overall
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
jurov: kick him
mircea_popescu: wtf
Vexual: ouchie
jurov: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his shit
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
jurov: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his stuff
jurov: ok ok i'm done
mircea_popescu: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has not been recorded because shit.
jurov: :/
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1.
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KRS1: ethereum looks like a really strong project
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: i never really looked into it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;rate davout 3
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user davout has been recorded.
jurov: forgot anyone?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: hmm not sure i understood what you mean? all i was saying is i need to work the timestamps into my script so that R correctly interprets them and makes it easy for me to have timestamped graphs
jurov: ;;rate scrat 2
herbijudlestoids: the timestamps are actually being recorded by the irc bot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user scrat has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids> right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, <<
mircea_popescu: jurov so are you now running coinroll ?
jurov: yes almost
jurov: it was complicated process and still not finished
herbijudlestoids: this interview is supposedly about decentralisation of energy but seems to cover the idea that crowdfunding, p2p lending etc: "Even the assistant director general of the Bank of England, Andy Haldane has said this is showing signs of becoming such a trend, such a potential mega-trend, that it could disenfranchise the main banks, the high street banks in the way that I think some of these trends in renewable energy
herbijudlestoids: i guess this is the article he was referencing
herbijudlestoids: definitely considering the aggregate demand for junk bonds it does seem there is a lot of stupid people out there willing to fund anything
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: imo "crowdfunding" as in, kickfunder etc is a fad not unlike social media.
mircea_popescu: then again, i'm the god of bias.
herbijudlestoids: i personally dont disagree, but interesting to hear someone from BoE say that technology could kill banking
herbijudlestoids: i guess its probly more efficient for the economy for people to fund bad ideas directly than have to buy junk bonds in the bad ideas
lewicki: not if they all commit suicide first...
mircea_popescu: yeah, interesting to me too. in the following sense : a londoner goes to the country, and upon hearing a goose meow he expresses his astonishment : listen to the cock neigh!
Duffer1: i wish people would stop throwing money at kickstarters
Duffer1: until kickstarters start offering equity
mircea_popescu: anyway. bad ideas being funded is a serious problem for any society.
herbijudlestoids: they cant offer equity
herbijudlestoids: if they offer equity then they fall under the various financial regulations
herbijudlestoids: basically they need to list on MPOE :P
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: i'd love to see that
herbijudlestoids: somehow i doubt most kickstarters would be considered viable by mircea_popescu for listing though :P
Duffer1: exactly
herbijudlestoids: i wish cunts would stop hyping bitcloud :(
Vexual: whats bitcloud?
herbijudlestoids: approx the same idea as urbit or tornet, rehyped and the tech media are cum guzzling it hard
Vexual: ah
herbijudlestoids: except the difference is both urbit and tornet actually have some code committed somewhere
herbijudlestoids: bitcloud has nothing.
mircea_popescu: but bitcloud has bit and cloud
mircea_popescu: you understand nothing
Vexual: sounds good
mircea_popescu: actually, did moldbug&co ever manage to stop urbit from crashing ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: my official job title is Director of Cloud Operations, so i like to think i know something :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids something you may know, but this is hindering you from seeing the true pure beauty of Bit and Cloud!
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's somewhat less leaky and crashy
mircea_popescu: if you had done nothing but reddit, retardopedia and lesssex for the past two decades...
mircea_popescu: benkay so how long has it been online currently ?
benkay: hah got me
benkay: and what do you mean by "online" and "long"?
mircea_popescu: ok, did it crash in the current month ?
mircea_popescu: lmao
herbijudlestoids: has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
benkay: since last universe reset or whatever they call it?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids
mircea_popescu: yes.
Vexual: i think bitcloud should be a proof of work image board with extra stenography
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
Vexual: or a small amount of visible water vapour in the sky
Duffer1: ya there's a reason why mpoe-pr recommends taking a year off to read first :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
jurov: Vexual: steganography
Vexual: ty jurov
herbijudlestoids: god fucken damnit...just saw
herbijudlestoids: even
herbijudlestoids: stupid postmodern internet
mircea_popescu: what;'s wrong with it ?
Vexual: too tumbler
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: nothing, its just kind of what i would like to do :P
mircea_popescu: << see here herbijudlestoids, avoid such surprises.
mircea_popescu: it's actually mike's blog.
jurov: have you seen ? it's timeless :DDDD
mircea_popescu: hehehe
mircea_popescu: i linked him earlier iirc
mircea_popescu: one of the things i enjoy most about bitcoin is all the shit people don't know. ot
mircea_popescu: it's like... :D
Vexual: thats me
Vexual: im waiting for benkays cheat sheet
herbijudlestoids: yo, so based on the bitcointalk forum, which is i assume populated by heavily qualified financial analysts, wasnt the price of MPOE supposed to be "negative" this morning?
herbijudlestoids: i was looking forward to scooping up the entire company
herbijudlestoids: and having mircea_popescu pay me for the privilege
Vexual: snooze you lose
mircea_popescu: ^
herbijudlestoids: did you already buy it Vexual ?
herbijudlestoids: can i buy it off you for -3BTC?
Vexual: mpoe?
mircea_popescu: Vexual at the rate benkay is posting on that cascade of his, the cheatsheet will need a flatbed truck.
Vexual: ah the trivia list
Vexual: no i didnt buy it
mircea_popescu: also, benkay baby, more naked girl / dressed pitbull pics. you've lernered nothing off trilema ?
Vexual: i was hoping it would be free then returned in kind
Vexual: but i should pay for it more than mp should
Vexual: hes already got it in his head
mircea_popescu: all i have is like these altcoins
jurov: benkay is actually paid in debts
jurov: Vexual so you should make one first
Vexual: hes gonna pop out overed in gold
Vexual: one what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids did you see all the failed darknet drug marketplaces btw ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of php. the stuff had me in a state of ptss for a few hours
Vexual: wait if bitwasp gets finished, that'll be like altcoin pools of drug markets
mircea_popescu: <
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i did, after reading about how silk road went down they wer eall so fucking stupid
herbijudlestoids: but there is a new one i read about, running on i2p
herbijudlestoids: sounds much more secure
Apocalyptic: security-wise it's a disaster
herbijudlestoids: this one
mircea_popescu: lay it on us Apocalyptic
herbijudlestoids: "The Marketplace"
herbijudlestoids: if they manage to take that one down i will be impressed
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Apocalyptic: it appears that almost every new marketplace is prone to basic SQL injections
herbijudlestoids: lol
Apocalyptic: more drama on that on #bitcoin-hidden everyday
mircea_popescu: anything specific about this i2p thing ?
herbijudlestoids: asking me?
mircea_popescu: no, Apocalyptic
Apocalyptic: not that I recall of, let me grep the logs
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herbijudlestoids: at least judging from that article, it sounds like th eguys who set it up have tried their hardest to learn from the failures of the other morons
herbijudlestoids: i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why not ?
Vexual: the real dpr is in tokyo stinking of ylang ylang
TomServo: I really hope so.
TomServo: Like herbijudlestoids said.. it's sad otherwise.
mircea_popescu: i thought he was with elvis
Vexual: poor zombie tho
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i just kind of assumed that anyone who wanted to setup a website like that might be the kind of person who knows even the first thing about security
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know, this entire generation of twentyspomething fuckups strictly exists because we keep presuming.
mircea_popescu: exactly these types of presumtpions. they're like some mutant cockroaches which have somehow adapted to live in the cracks of this presumption.
herbijudlestoids: yep, well you can bet the big vendors on those sites are now doing their "security due diligence" before they list products on a given market
Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor // then you won't believe this
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you can bet no such thing.
mircea_popescu: you know, no ammount of salmon being eaten by bears makes the salmon wear fucking german ww1 helmets.
mircea_popescu: they just take their chances. they survive by schooling.
Vexual: cool ones do
mircea_popescu: that's your us druggies.
jurov: it's not just twentysomethings. the password for national office that gives security clearances
herbijudlestoids: lullllllwut Apocalyptic
jurov: was "mbusr123"
jurov: guess what was the office named
Vexual: maoney bursary
Vexual: ?
jurov: NBU SR
jurov: and the pass was nbusr123
Vexual: ah
mircea_popescu: derp.
herbijudlestoids: HAHA
Vexual: little bit mafia there with the trascription
herbijudlestoids: im still reading
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: herbijudlestoids, that's the state of the average marketplace out there
Apocalyptic: just unreal
herbijudlestoids: baaaa
herbijudlestoids: i guess the barrier to entry is just too low
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
Vexual: if i wanted to use doog drugs id move to addis abar and have excellent herbal amphetamines
Vexual: *good
Vexual: coffee and khat
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know that's the exact link i gave you earlier in the logs :D
mircea_popescu: but yes. freedom = no barrier to entry = chaos. nttawwt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: which link? i happen to be retarded and often forget things that i dont immediately note down
herbijudlestoids: iv got "So this urbit thing" and "People have made blogs" saved in my list, as well as "The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with" because i wanna see the photo of MPOE-PR :P
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> <
herbijudlestoids: ah right right
herbijudlestoids: i see
herbijudlestoids: my main concern is if you setup a legit, correctly secured darknet site, its just going to make you an even bigger target for the NSA really
herbijudlestoids: youll be going up against a very scary adversary who will hand your details over to the FBI or local equivalent as soon as they de-anon your server
herbijudlestoids: not sure the risk/reward is skewed in your favor
Vexual: or visa versa
mircea_popescu: why would you be in the us ?
Apocalyptic: ^
herbijudlestoids: why would your location matter to the NSA?
herbijudlestoids: in fact being in the US is pretty much the only legal defense against NSA spying lol
mircea_popescu: herp.
Vexual: :)
mircea_popescu: 1. nsa is nowhere near as competent as they'd like you believe
mircea_popescu: 2. most jurisdictions couldn't give less of a shit about the us and its problems.
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mircea_popescu: the idea is to implement technically sound solutions. this means god himself can not de-anon your server.
mircea_popescu: if you can't do that, you've got little business doing it in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it'd be like bitcoin relying not on chain but on people being nice to each other.
Apocalyptic: i really don't see HK or Russia extradite a drug marketplace owner
Vexual: make it cant break it only existed very recently
herbijudlestoids: the way i see it workin gis something like this: FBI discovers new online drug marketplace, probably tipped off from dutch intelligence or similar agency who actually has the knowhow. they poke it, cant de-anon it, and so they call up the NSA to take a poke. initial pokes are unsuccessful so they go all out against it.
herbijudlestoids: somehow i feel like the NSA is probably quite competent enough considering the resources at their disposal ;)
mircea_popescu: except they have a list of things to do
mircea_popescu: and a list of people that can do it.
Vexual: yeah snowden tok it with him
mircea_popescu: and the worst morale in the history of secret servicing.
mircea_popescu: now... the 2nd list is always shorter.
mircea_popescu: and so... no. they don't have the resources to anytihng.
mircea_popescu: besides, the nsa is dead. the us is scrambling to create a new, actually secret replacement, while pretending nsa is still a thing.
mircea_popescu: that puts further pressure on the manpower available.
herbijudlestoids: s/NSA/5eyes spy conglomerate
herbijudlestoids: when i say NSA i dont mean NSA so much as any sigint that has permissions for global ops
mircea_popescu: you work in hosting, right ? how many competent sysadmins are there, that you can actually motivate to do the job ?
mircea_popescu: and how many jobs need doing ?
Vexual: none
herbijudlestoids: true that unemployment for good ops is very low to nonexistent in our particular sector atm
herbijudlestoids: mostly i write the puppet modules and we hire meatsacks to watch errors
mircea_popescu: so then what do you think, the problem eases as you go up ?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't ease. it aggravates.
mircea_popescu: what particular sector ? it's the same all through. how many db experts are there ?
mircea_popescu: what atm ? it's been the case since 1960.
mircea_popescu: smart people are few and far between. things they can do are the grass o nthe fields. monstrous socialist regimes have this problem compounded by the fact that they're only popular with idiots.
mircea_popescu: the us may hire as many Fargo policewomen as it can pay.
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if it can currently hire any ONE of the top five crackers in any field.
mircea_popescu: even if it had infinite money, which it clearly does not.
Vexual: they already been to hawaii and smoked the pakalolo for more than 100kpa
Vexual: it was written 1000s or years ago
Vexual: o/
herbijudlestoids: haha i saw that
mircea_popescu: "Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. "
mircea_popescu: this is what, amsterdamsche wisselbank
mircea_popescu: fucktards with their "let's make the world fair" as if it weren't managed to bomb us all the fucking way to the stone age.
mircea_popescu: the once glorious wester civilisation has to restart at fucking 1600 ?!
mircea_popescu: flay a libertard alive today. he's earned it. then salt the wounds and make his mother watch.
Vexual: pay a nigerian
herbijudlestoids: in early 2009 when FASB changed the rules from mark to market, to mark to unicorn, it was obvious what was going on if it wasnt already. the banks are by "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles", completely insolvent.
herbijudlestoids: so i dunno why this guy is bothering to talk about leverage and FDIC insurance lol
herbijudlestoids: due diligence shows the banks as failed capitalist enterprises
herbijudlestoids: dun need to go further than that.
Duffer1: fdic insurance is probably about the only thing the average american derp understands about banking
Duffer1: he's jsut using it as an example to highlight a point, smart guy knows his audience
mircea_popescu: im with d.
mircea_popescu: this is just damage control anyway. most of the deposits belong to companies, which a) are legally required to keep their funds in a bank and b) are not insured anyway.
mircea_popescu: you think the cypriots had it bad... watch till it happens in the us.
herbijudlestoids: ye
Vexual: so mpoe
decimation: it's all the idiocy of maturity transformation
mircea_popescu: that's how it looks
herbijudlestoids: i hear that NEO and BEE setup btc financial services in cyprus and opened recently
mircea_popescu: since we're on it
Duffer1: neo&bee is open?
herbijudlestoids: dunno, thats just what i heard today
Vexual: legals still taking money they cant afford to pay unemploed builders at any price
Vexual: id be getting free rent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00093239 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: lpanned to open march i think?
Vexual: i expect tellers with broken computers and a stopwork from govt
Vexual: shoulda been in berlin
herbijudlestoids: so are you buying shares then Vexual?
Vexual: no
Vexual: then berlin, then that awful volcano
Vexual: *frankfurt
herbijudlestoids: whats the opinion on havelock investments?
Vexual: seems to work
Vexual: verily don't listen to me tho
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hereby demand to be gassed by the new, spiffy, Meta-NSA, rather than the tired old one.
mircea_popescu: glwt.
decimation: where are its headquarters?
Vexual: prolly not cuba so you can't have fun if you get busted out by someone mp sent
asciilifeform: decimation: on a subterrine.
decimation: I particularly like that this sketch shows them digging, thus mocking the idiots who tried to setup an idiot commune during the English civil war
mircea_popescu: subterrine de gascogne
herbijudlestoids: i love dennis
mircea_popescu: shit i got the wrong sketch
mircea_popescu: << i meant this one
decimation: I donno, how are they going to attact elite coders to work in a hole?
mircea_popescu: decimation that's where the gascogne comes into play.
decimation: sounds dubiously competent for the usg
Vexual: thats a shit sub
decimation: lol maybe they can dig a tunnel to the uk while they work
Vexual: yeah but you wont do x knots
herbijudlestoids: if i went around, saying i was emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me...
Duffer1: moistened bint is my new favorite pejorative
Vexual: fast or quiet, those are the options
mircea_popescu: put a dint in the bint like you don't care...
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Vexual: or, you can forgo the urnanium powered steam, and be noisy and slow
Vexual: which is in fact the only option
Vexual: also your parrot is dead

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