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(ossasepia) diana_coman: but I gather it's you I should throw the Ro-blocks of text at, notes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, after the first 10 languages or so, it gets very easy :))
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so can you read those?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, doesn't need to be "serious", what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: any other languages?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do you speak German?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ach would be oh maybe? or if you go for full feeling there perhaps alas!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: comment published
(ossasepia) diana_coman: glucklich is a false cognate there, not lucky.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "and was lucky" -> "and was happy"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: translation works!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I saw the shiny new RK photo too, looked very cool; tbh my reserve re RK is re ARM ie why do I need ARM given that it's also not exactly free (eg GNAT still no-worky)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, it is interesting.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, don't take it that way please; no spam at all and thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman pictures asciilifeform-on-rails
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, thank you BingoBoingo
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but there will be rails at some point too, so thank you for the pointer.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: first I'll have to study this inside out with a cat's curiosity because yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no worries really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah, child is more like 22kg and still fine, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: dorion_road: I'm sure there will be no problem to discuss those as soon as mircea_popescu gets back to his terminal too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, no worries re that; I was simply picturing myself having to handle the thing, lol; I'll have to draft in a helper.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: invoice me at your earliest convenience please.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that will be interesting to ferry from the not-so-royal post office if it ends up in that middle of nowhere, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: nothing better for learning than needing to do it, too.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up dorion_road
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can't go wrong using Pascal for French practice, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: heh, that's from Pascal there.
(trilema) diana_coman: a meta-pa&ptCrhuR
(trilema) diana_coman: in the warehouse? :))
(trilema) diana_coman: come to think of it, moving east doesn't sound all that much healthier - less fat and more sugar or what, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: see in #t.
(trilema) diana_coman: that for sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, make it bulz!
(trilema) diana_coman: they are atm under some pressure to finish a working version of a wallet too but I'd say that is currently at a more tech stage really so the os-planning could start anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: just in case he had found things moving too slowly around here, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, that would be very likely; not like they weren't dead, but essentially got swept up too.
(trilema) diana_coman: as I was going yesterday through my blog's archives, ~all of the links to .ro are dead; life on the internets is short apparently.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw and dorion_road you should both have quite a few passes of tech and governance ; not in a hurry nor all of the passes crammed "this week" but gradually until it sticks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: here's for you to change direction then, courtesy of Kafka himself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo_: got it, will have a look later today, thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: works, thank you; at any rate, there's no hurry or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm; do prepare better in the evening, that's what that half hour is for + it gives you some time to think it through really; but also, if you really need for now half hour to get started, factor it in and write 1.5hours or something; just don't end up making this "get started" longer and longer because there is more time or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: did it take that long to get started?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but nothing for next day or what was the problem?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ofc writing them down, huh; did you just ...what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do I gather the half-hour evening planning worked well?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: wb to civilisation dorion_road
(trilema) diana_coman: those 2012 logs though seemed very light on content, just here and there, probably can even filter by nicks and be done with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and well done for this week, enjoy your surfing!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: MP had once this trouble when the connection cut so not all the article got published/something was messed up; anyways, not a big issue now but keep an eye on it/check after publishing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and glad to see the reading of An Outpost of Progress was not lost on you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why was your review post with "no comments allowed"? did you set that up or did something get cut/messed up at publishing time or what happened? (I fixed the comments part meanwhile.)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you're welcome; glad to see you got the deedbot wallet issue sorted too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you may go, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all right, next time link the sound file :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, not a huge thing now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's just plain ok ie you agree there, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: except if it's "I also", there's no mk, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do not copy without knowing what you're copying, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: mk!=ok ; mk ~= I don't quite agree but I won't argue/explain now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what was the mk for, anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: up to you that part
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: if you must, I suppose you can simply order them in batches but not really sure it's worth it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to mention that computer parts are hopefully not distorted through fungal growth so maybe there's a bit less to treated or not treated papers, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: from what I understood, Guatemala is shitty beyond definition ; I can hardly picture ticos torching anything really,lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you know, those test packages might also not test all that much because different stuff, significantly different value from what I understand so ...it's a very basic test, more along the lines of "do they actually do this thing *at all*"? I can see why even that needs testing, sure, but I wouldn't then take it to mean too much if they passed that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and that doesn't quite parse/make sense there: so if those fail, you won't try ....others? why/how?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, if you get it jammed, you unjam it, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: but anyway, the investigation of other agents is task on the list for the future, not like you won't have *other* stuff to order, I'm sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do investigate if there are others and/or which ones though, not like you can't use a backup option if at all possible.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then try them further, why not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or was it through one of those that you ordered that test delivery?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I don't recall: did you look for/were there any forwarding agents?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: as I was saying: infuriating; lolz; I'd say look into ordering from the US, it is what it is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (though I have to admit that they sound infuriating already)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie fine, they don't have them; can they order for you the list you give them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: did you ask them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so then look at most for the motherboard locally but other than that, it would seem that you'll need to find out the hard way how it works with the customs; aren't there any agents doing this service? also: can't any of those shops *order* the stuff for you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what was the main problem with ordering from the US? the customs?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what if in the end they..don't have it? or it's defective? or whatevers?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's risky because this sort of "have one" is dubious at best
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and you know, reply to his points there eg will do etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so at this point your options are either order parts from the US or otherwise change plans and build a ryzhen system, correct?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: if you have something more concrete re Jan delivery, add that eg if we push the deadline to January, we can also have this and that that might/might not make it slightly/not at all/a lot easier for clients to learn/use/whatever.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so none of the local shops actually have all the components you wanted?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: not much use by itself, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I think I covered there main points but see if there's anything else you had in mind.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3. can iterate in principle more usefully once this version is out and in use (if that's the idea).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then tell him all that ie 1. fundamentally it's aligned and fine, will check details today/tomorrow and see if there are further clarifications to ask for at those articles 2. not much to gain in extending the deadline as v1 of the wallet as it is would be a reasonable fit and either way they would still be learning something new (though ahem, do note that there are *degrees* there ie how much of a leap)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, I thought you two were better at talking to one another, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and this "evaluate the usage within the context of the skills they either already had or are building through working with us" - so how well does this v1 fit what your clients learnt to use? to what extent would pushing the deadline to January increase this fit?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: tbh I think he stated there quite clearly for each point what next so not sure what is left other than the above ie if there are further gaps and/or questions on the fundamentals there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: he said correctly " What gaps remain ? What questions arise now in reading these articles ? Let's go ahead and leave our questions as comments on those articles." - that's about as much additional feedback you can get and then see if it squeezes through in this implementation; so: any questions there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that's not something feasible on that scale by end of January, no; and do NOT even think of re-writing it now because you can get an extension, GAH.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sigh; /me goes to read your talk there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: give him the options: this month like this or in January like that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: put it also the other way: if you had this one extra month, what do you think would be delivered additionally?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: then again, you talked to him, not me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw, I'm also not that sure that dorion's point was re getting it perfect now or something, eg "sufficiently extensive talks upfront and relatively less time coding than a brief terse exachange and longer than expected coding time." - this reads to me more like making sure it's clear what is to implement and how long it will take ie clarifying not perfecting.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: but as far as I understood the situation now, the focus was on getting a *working* version that keeps to republican fundamentals and that hopefully you can further iterate upon as you gain experience with your biz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I simply had no idea if you got/read that or not; it does make for a bit of funny stuff as it is a matter of basic feedback, yeah.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it implies that whatever you choose now may still need to change later if it turns out that the preferred/final standard is a different one
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, do NOT go for xml! lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: thing is, you are not really either aiming to or in a position to enforce a standard through this wallet implementation.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll be awk for a while.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose it depends on what you want you want to interface with further really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, I am not aware of an Ada standard as such; thinking of it now, I would expect it's not a huge headache to implement either really but I haven't spent the time to consider/compare why one or the other.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, have fun.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: also, there is that thing: fewer questions to the clients, it's enough that they pay for it!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then it sounds like best to get v1 working really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, you'll get an answer if you ask but ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that is more to clarify with dorion really; they won't *know* to tell you exactly, how could they?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hence my question above whether this is a potential problem or to what extent
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that said, there IS a cost to having clients change versions though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's more important to not get it catastrophically/fundamentally wrong, that's about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, that he won't ~ever get, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: is it perhaps a problem to have next year some "version 2" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh I'd much rather incline at this stage to *not* change the plans now but you do need to talk to him and agree if that's the best way forward atm or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so can you get hold of him to clarify on the wallet or not?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you keep going over 1 hour though, try maybe half hour in the evening to plan *something* and then 1 hour in the morning to write on that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, that part takes time too esp since it sounds otherwise like you have a lot of practice in making sure it doesn't happen that way, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: and there's a quite minimal version that I used to install without any trouble really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I see. What's the situation there with your computer parts ie now you have some that go with a processor you can't find or what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all right; do shout if it gets out of hand/in trouble though, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh; who could have predicted!!11
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: gah, mk; listen, they are not amazon and the like so *call* them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how's the work on the wallet going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you're welcome.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, from your communications and approach otherwise, I couldn't and can't really tell so the only thing I can reasonably do is to wait and see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: won't suggest an astrolabe, lol.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: if things change in the future and you have availability + looking for customers (me included), I'll happily use the service, yes.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: ... bothering-customer] so it is what it is.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I haven't forgotten about that, it's still somewhere on the list (though I'm not sure there is a lot *new* to say there); re service my main understanding as you pointed out is that you already have too many customers and moreover you anyway find me [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-21#1002657][rather incomprehensible or a ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: talking of which, you should at least know a bit about your indoors environment esp re humidity for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform put it more plainly above, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so get one if you want one, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, it's not a big deal to ground yourself either way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I never bothered really for everyday work as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, is that a problem there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (fwiw I even have several computers connected to *same* monitor in one setup).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's pretty much it, yes; that being said, it is true that I do have another monitor in the room but ...not on the same desk, not for the same machines and not meant to be used at the same time; given as you are just building your first computer there, I really don't see why you'd need more than 1 monitor
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I never really got along with multiple monitors, it's enough I have to stare at ONE screen; but a reasonably big screen is useful.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the most important part is that you can fully adjust it to fit your setup ie so as to have a healthy position really; most current monitors now will probably be quite all right re refresh rate tbh; maybe anti-glare can help too; re dual monitor it all depends on your working style and if you don't yet know if you need that, then you ..don't need it yet.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, so don't avoid it and don't worry about their self-inflicted waste of time, just don't let it infect you too, it's on them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, it happens.
(ossasepia) diana_coman has never liked it but not for lack of experience with how it works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for that matter, usually this sort of "delivery on an unexpected schedule" tends to rely on "if I don't answer, talk to the neighbours/friends/extended village" and so on so maybe consider that sort of help too; it's among the hassles/benefits of that sort of environment, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sensible; and problem sorted too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I know time is not a Latina concept but still.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you tell them and agree with them on some specific time window and you don't care about the rest, let them learn or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, they can go back and forth with it as much as they like, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also, iirc it was a different company than the one with the chair, no/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: make the delivery more of a hassle for them if they are being idiotic about it than for you, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and dunno but going to SJ for the whole day + time on trip to avoid delivery hassle... uhm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: while that sounds lousy, I suspect you'll find you do not really have to be at the ready all that much, if you handle the delivery guys properly; what, are they going to head back if you are not at the ready whenever they happen to drop by anywhere/everywhere ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah, I know how that works; the sort of price-sensitivity that whaack needs to get rid of too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that was my take on CR too; though after that I saw some "long distance" nightmares-on-wheels too so apparently it's not enough for it to be long distance, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do let me figure this out again: *why* are you even looking into getting to SJ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is that too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: my sample of CR buses was very small but even so, there was one perfectly fine (long distance though to the Pacific from SJ) and one perfectly horrible, so I can see the pay-to-avoid, certainly; but in that case, if bus is not an option, then you pretty much have no other choice than not to go to SJ, not sure why consider it in the first place.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: is there any bus maybe?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sleeping in a town != been to town, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you still need to get somehow back too though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and had enough of it? lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh I thought it was more about whether you can get otherwise everything you need or not, lol; but other than that, I suspect that sooner or later you'll want to at least get once to SJ but perhaps it's easier later on when you get to the point where you can get a car, that might be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what does that SJ/no SJ depend on?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: are you getting the computer parts today?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha! seriously, flip-flops are fine *for the beach* and only there, lolz.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: invoice is paid as promised and I'm all moved so feel free to rebuild slot for next user; thank you for this month and for the very smooth initial setup.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 0009656644510BA7A45DA27BC6A693866E7CCDA3D87E9DAC39D82ADE4069D01D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you are quite spot-on with that comment!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well done!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and do write it in the morning please.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, BingoBoingo already said it, huh; thank you BingoBoingo !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's fine,yes; but buy small tubes, you won't need a ton for one single computer.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, didn't go for amazon, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's a long wave! good to see you made it though.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem as far as I see it, not the timeframe.
(trilema) diana_coman: if I'm to see it as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
(trilema) diana_coman: ... [thetarpit.org/2018/what-is-an-os/][OS definition & discussion].
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I had to read that quite a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for a purpose" mainly because a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...
(trilema) diana_coman: but maybe this is a better plan! move my ip every few months and watch people find me!!!
(trilema) diana_coman: he at least survived some conversation, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: yeah & lots more imaginary to it but ...it's a lot to hit him with in first 5 minutes anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: I tried to talk to him a bit but I have no idea how much got through
(trilema) diana_coman: someone left some records pointing to my new IP, what can I say; I don't... mind it.
(trilema) diana_coman: no, I don't.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: leased opteron, yes; not via deedbot, no; just went according to "if not the right thing, than the cheapest thing".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's what I do around here: taking an interest in who people are and what they are working on; it reportedly... helps them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no problem; maybe find some time and read around a bit, you might find more than you came asking for :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I don't mind it,lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: I have no idea but apparently that eventix thing was hosted there before,no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: trouble is: what do you plan to educate them about/on?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: the bot here is free, you know? but yes, it's free *not for anyone* and if you don't mind me saying it, the "free for everyone" approach is an extremely poor choice.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: they are in that poor situation because they don't know better, not because they don't have more tools really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to not have to pay high fees to ticketmaster and other similar slave-masters (because that's what they are), it's the people in those organisations you need to develop, not technical solutions
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: heh, the technical solution exists already really; there's a bot around those parts that does invoicing and payments and all that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well yes, the people around here know and do; they are quite...knowing, like that. It's a bit the whole point around here, you know
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: so what's the project you are working on ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: I tend to ignore DNS and simply set the IPs in hosts file so not exactly bothered with all that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: I just switched IPs recently so it's possibly an old record somewhere
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz; what is this project about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eventix.de ? no idea
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: you might want to have a look at what others figured out too and/or the road they took to here, eg on their blogs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: there is a lot to it; but just ask further then; what are you stuck on?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: how did you find this place?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (as does younghands.club for that matter)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: as to platform, what do you mean? ossasepia.com simply runs a customised version of wordpress really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can read the story on YH starting with http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/ (do note that you might need the IP directly for my blog 85.25.134.66 )
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Jeff78: this chan is basically the forum/discussion place/direct interaction for my YH (http://younghands.club/) project
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ask in here Jeff78
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, it's easy then: do a re-reading tomorrow and extract theme, structure and scope for the road to ossasepia series, write them analytically bullet-point style and then see what you can say about them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, after re-reading, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: 1. why worry ? 2. do you have/know now the exact structure & scope ie would you be able to just give it now in 1 para for each?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically a vivisection of what you've got, to see if there are perhaps even obvious missing limbs for instance.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for now you focus on what you wrote already, so no, not getting to the bottom of the WoT topic just yet.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (this should not plunge you into a lot of research this week since you still have to focus on the wallet really)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how about you re-read those 2 mini-series of your own writing and do a proper analysis there ie extract the theme, structure and scope + look at the result and how good it is?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: mind there that you seem to be quite good at talking yourself into anything you choose really, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: but then why did you re-read the first one? :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: tsk; and why didn't you re-read it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that is true for me too,
(ossasepia) diana_coman: unknown unknowns may be uncovered by considering the negative space, sure; but one term is not shortcut for the other.

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