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(trilema) nubbins`: you're growing more deaf to reason
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar's claims are backed up by mp's own words in the log, and the blockchain
(trilema) nubbins`: we know it hurts
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron hush, dear heart
(trilema) nubbins`: do you know what they call it when the CEO uses the company's bank account as his own personal bank account also?
(trilema) nubbins`: if a single bitcoin address is being used for both "company money" and personal money, that's setting off alarm bells
(trilema) nubbins`: yotta-lol.
(trilema) nubbins`: my money, company's money, w/e
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar petalol, do you have the tx handy?
(trilema) nubbins`: williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423536 is roughly around the time i finished reading qntra A Miner Problem article, with the first shot fired shortly thereafter
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm just gonna fuck off for a while and see if anyone bothers to care about all this evidence
(trilema) nubbins`: this is the final nail in the fraud coffin
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vouspes i can't see any other explanation. mircea_popescu claimed ownership of B's inputs, and they came from MPEx. Best-case scenario, mircea_popescu legitimately received the funds from MPEx and paid the bettors out of pocket. Worse-case scenario, he paid the bettors directly with MPEx funds.
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron for many, working hours are impersonal life
(trilema) nubbins`: kakobrekla ^
(trilema) nubbins`: it basically violates every document MP has ever signed
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vouspes biggest lol yet.
(trilema) nubbins`: interested parties are free to make their own decisions on what it means
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, only looked into it at ben_vouspes urging
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform but the difference is that your coin wasn't sent to bettors.
(trilema) nubbins`: sorry, "gabrielradio", my bad
(trilema) nubbins`: interestingly, 11.5 BTC gets broken off and sent to gabriel_laddel at one point.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform feel free to verify on your own node; blockchain.info may be incorrect
(trilema) nubbins`: mumble mumble MPEx funds being sent to bettors and BitBet getting stuck with the bill
(trilema) nubbins`: mumble mumble conflict of interest
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform that's funds moving out of MPEx address and ending up as inputs to tx "B"
(trilema) nubbins`: bbl lunch / lollercoaster
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
(trilema) nubbins`: kakobrekla jurov ^ gibi-lol
(trilema) nubbins`: so, put another way: mircea_popescu borrowed money from MPEx, sent it to bettors, and charged the expense to BitBet
(trilema) nubbins`: the 1Gpng output gets successively split up into a bunch of different pieces, and a chunk of it eventually ends up paying out the bettors
(trilema) nubbins`: if you trace the chain all the way back, it actually appears to be MPEx's money :0
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vouspes i'm no blockchain analysis expert but that doesn't look like bitbet's money to me
(trilema) nubbins`: well, y'know, bruised egos are tender.
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL he'd find it way harder to dodge the fraud allegations otherwise
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL offending mp is a one way street
(trilema) nubbins`: i guess hanbot plays so much diablo and loses so much bet money that doing the books once a month is an unbearable burden
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL there were a handful of double-month reports late last year too
(trilema) nubbins`: quite the kingdom
(trilema) nubbins`: next step: mircea_popescu ignores people who talk to nubs
(trilema) nubbins`: maybe hanbot lost 17 btc and she & mp are trying to come up with some linear algebra to explain it
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL should be, yeah.
(trilema) nubbins`: perhaps the manager should be revised
(trilema) nubbins`: "all-time loss at 3.40250561."
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, nothing in feb. guess it was getting in the way of diablo
(trilema) nubbins`: sounds like something you'd give your gf to keep her busy.
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL ok so she runs a F.MPIF PC that.... loses money on bitbet.
(trilema) nubbins`: i guess the bet money didn't go out.
(trilema) nubbins`: it's just buried in the "assets" section instead of "in/out"
(trilema) nubbins`: oh, wait, sorry, there it is.
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL: so if hanbot was betting for F.MPIF PC, why's it not in F.MPIF financials?
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL: not only that, but the information contained in the post you linked just doesn't appear in the F.MPIF jan financials
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL october 2014 is the most recent month there was any economic activity in/out
(trilema) nubbins`: protip: there are none
(trilema) nubbins`: go look at F.MPIF statement, show me coins thrown.
(trilema) nubbins`: no, she doesn't.
(trilema) nubbins`: also, your fief (F.MPIF) went into hibernation only 6 months after you made it to the lordship list. not a great showing by any measure.
(trilema) nubbins`: "being a lord is not an empty honor, but the honor of recognition, by your peers, for a useful purpose. If you aren't doing anything you broadly speaking can't be one, and if you are one it is upon you to show up in court and help settle matters (and in the process help the other lords understand you and predict your future moves)"
(trilema) nubbins`: you're not doing anything useful, are you?
(trilema) nubbins`: and there's one more talking head floating around here on mp's side
(trilema) nubbins`: because he can just give alf a pile of useless shares that he apparently can't even afford to cash out
(trilema) nubbins`: consider that MP has enough money to pay alf double current salary for next decade, cardano could be out in the world, but chooses not to
(trilema) nubbins`: under the illusion that it's for some greater good.
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm saying that by paying his workers only in shares, mp gets people to work for free.
(trilema) nubbins`: you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth today
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? <<< i'm not saying you should have taken the same amount of $$ for running s.nsa as i should have for a dozen hours' work.
(trilema) nubbins`: if i'd not recevied any cash, but stock warrant only -- i'd be as broke as you, no?
(trilema) nubbins`: so got $12k bezzlars worth of btc for the actual work and a fat stock warrant for free
(trilema) nubbins`: i said no, that's retarded
(trilema) nubbins`: consider: mircea_popescu wanted to pay for eulora heraldics in stock warrant only
(trilema) nubbins`: i said shares as remuneration is a fish hook
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform no, that's not what i said.
(trilema) nubbins`: understand that being "paid" by mp in shares is just a fish hook
(trilema) nubbins` is one of the few to be paid in money for services provided rather than in shares
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform i don't own any MPEx stocks, nor am i shorting any MPEx stocks
(trilema) nubbins`: nobody cares who your bf is
(trilema) nubbins`: talking about bitcoin doesn't make you a part of bitcoin, etc
(trilema) nubbins`: hanbot they wouldn't have you
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL anything with revenue has more revenue than s.nsa
(trilema) nubbins`: but in general
(trilema) nubbins`: i don't mean feb's
(trilema) nubbins`: have you seen the financials?
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm fighting for the side of logic and reason
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform nor do i, understand this!
(trilema) nubbins`: you can make of it what you will
(trilema) nubbins`: which is, well... it is what it is.
(trilema) nubbins`: and kako got quite upset and said thanks a lot for ruining any chance of getting mp to reverse his decision
(trilema) nubbins`: and then i made mp angry
(trilema) nubbins`: the guy said that if i made mp angry, mp would dig in his heels and not change mind no matter what.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform there was no other way for me to say it.
(trilema) nubbins`: i am guessing that kako is furiously fighting this fire behind the scenes
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform your assumption is incorrect, i am painting no such picture
(trilema) nubbins`: "i was not even aware of any of it" vs 3.2 (d)'s text: "All decisions with regards to any aspect of BitBet ... will require unanimous agreement of all the representatives of BitBet."
(trilema) nubbins`: you can also see with naked eye where kako asserts that mircea_popescu broke 3.2 (d) of listing agreement?
(trilema) nubbins`: but has not, so far
(trilema) nubbins`: sure. in the meantime, i'll point out that he's had ample opportunity to sign the financials
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform yes, i expect.
(trilema) nubbins`: note that S.BBET feb 2016 financials remain unsigned by kako.
(trilema) nubbins`: but, fuck mp, so the humiliation proceeded
(trilema) nubbins`: begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue
(trilema) nubbins`: kako was v dismayed
(trilema) nubbins`: incidentally this was the idea from the start
(trilema) nubbins`: but because i went on the offensive, mircea_popescu simply cannot back down.
(trilema) nubbins`: the funny thing about all of this is that if i'd approached the sitation with humbleness and humility, the report would already be changed
(trilema) nubbins`: literally speechless
(trilema) nubbins`: logic and maths are now a matter of social consensus?
(trilema) nubbins`: mp's ad-hoc approach to life fails more often than it succeeds
(trilema) nubbins`: remember the massive money-losing loophole?
(trilema) nubbins`: the rota was a brutal flop too
(trilema) nubbins`: taleb hanging out on irc with a bunch of drunks and permanent disability folks
(trilema) nubbins` laughs until out of breath
(trilema) nubbins`: remember when mp was trying to get him in here?
(trilema) nubbins`: "nassim taleb" lol
(trilema) nubbins`: looky: if anyone feels up to the task, they can take the lordship list and put each member's past accomplishments and current works under their name. maybe see once and for all who cuts the mustard and who cuts the cheese.
(trilema) nubbins`: i have no idea why some of you cannot see this place as nothing more than a "cool kids club"
(trilema) nubbins`: wait, no, she "runs" F.MPIF which has been inactive for 18 months
(trilema) nubbins`: or maybe she has a job playing diablo somewhere?
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu is actually describing hanbot scathingly well here
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform always a soft disagree, never digging a heel in.
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu's statements about the bar raising seem to directly back up my assertion that hanbot needs to get the heave-ho.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform he doesn't. yet still you provide.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform we get it, he has a free pass from you
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu also won't entertain serious allegations of fraud, to nobody's surprise
(trilema) nubbins`: ooo, mp implies that he doesn't respect jurov's intelligence
(trilema) nubbins`: shinohai nb
(trilema) nubbins`: shinohai what's that, a joke? spamming the chan with a video about spam?
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL that's your perogative. i would keep them.
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu seems to feel that fraud accusations have no place in #b-a
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov ooo fightin words
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL i would, yes. mp would not expect the lucky bettors to refund him.
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? <<<...what? link plz.
(trilema) nubbins`: sending B was noble until he put it on bitbet's books.
(trilema) nubbins`: charging tx B to bitbet's liabilities was sinful.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform no.
(trilema) nubbins`: you stated your stance
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron again, not interested in your hypotheticals
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL bitbet has quite a poor reputation, if you haven't noticed
(trilema) nubbins`: come back to earth
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron you're inventing hypothetical situations and saying "apparently this'd be fraud"
(trilema) nubbins`: he could, if he wished, but it would be a lol.
(trilema) nubbins`: <+PeterL>should he ask the bettors to refund the money? <<< probably not.
(trilema) nubbins`: or if hanbot contributed anything useful to the realm
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm curious what would be the argument if mp had a vagina
(trilema) nubbins`: why that specific non-occurrence, anyway?
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron why are you curious about something that didn't happen?
(trilema) nubbins`: if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back.
(trilema) nubbins`: giving bettors a free handout is when you just give money away
(trilema) nubbins`: paying the light bill is when the company purchases a service (light) for money
(trilema) nubbins`: trinque poor analogy
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL the thing about stupid mistakes is that if you realize they've happened and you DON'T CORRECT THEM, they turn into fraud.
(trilema) nubbins`: ben "vous" instead of you; it's a failing of english
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vulpes not trivially, you'd actually have to click a mouse a bunch of times or w/e
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vulpes if you pay the pizza guy with your own money, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT WORK, you don't get to automatically bill work for the pizza.
(trilema) nubbins`: ben_vulpes that transaction B was popescu's personal funds, which he sent of his own free will, AKA a generous donation to bettors.
(trilema) nubbins`: ok, great. your opinion is noted.
(trilema) nubbins`: everything else is a discussion surrounding that, or idiots telling adults not to have the discussion
(trilema) nubbins`: some feel yes, some feel no
(trilema) nubbins`: whether mp committed fraud (intentional or unintentional)
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron that disagreement is essentially the only one on the table
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron you're steadfastly dodging the point that MP's fraudulent math is the issue. IDGAF if it's bbet or him and vexual playing dice
(trilema) nubbins`: he doesn't wanna list a scam fund any more than kako wants to own one
(trilema) nubbins`: ^ as admin of CoinBr, the current situation directly affects jurov. maybe that's why jurov and kako are the only ones not 100% complicit in this scheme
(trilema) nubbins`: my sincere condolences
(trilema) nubbins`: don't feel like it. what's with all the imperatives? nobody to boss around in the trailer park?
(trilema) nubbins` invites all to count the number of pages of woodcollector threads on the forum
(trilema) nubbins`: trinque sell, negrate, smear reputation if desired
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov a blessing from the king will do that.
(trilema) nubbins`: if you see an error in a financial statement, do not speak up.
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov correct. fraud accusations are NOT welcome here.
(trilema) nubbins`: mp's behaviour is forum-level.
(trilema) nubbins`: what i do give a shit about is people owning up to their mistakes
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform IDGAF about bbet shareholders.
(trilema) nubbins`: trinque i'd like to think i've provided facts in an offensive manner
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron direct mirror response to asciilifeform's statement, keep up or stfu
(trilema) nubbins`: "too much rabble, not listening"
(trilema) nubbins`: for emphasis: Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do.
(trilema) nubbins`: Professional does not imply any restriction of form.ii You are free to be as offensive, annoying, disparaging, crass, crude or indecorous you feel the need or inclination to be. This includes any and all comments that in other, non-professional venues may be regarded as racist, sexist, chauvinist, fascist or whatever else. Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform do you disagree that mp's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good ___?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform got a link? i don't think he's said anything to me lately
(trilema) nubbins`: trinque that's not the question
(trilema) nubbins`: you'd make a better profit bumming change outside the metro
(trilema) nubbins`: look at the monthly statements
(trilema) nubbins`: bbet is nothing
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron that was probably all of the non-mp investors leaving.
(trilema) nubbins`: shame, but apparently i cannot change your mind with facts
(trilema) nubbins`: i still believe it was so, in the absence of conflicting evidence
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform fair enough and duly retracted
(trilema) nubbins`: sure you don't wanna explain again?
(trilema) nubbins`: now there's a logical leap
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron seems to think that one cannot point out fraud if the fraudster is party to the fraud
(trilema) nubbins`: so it's okay to commit fraud, as long as the business you're defrauding is on your exchange?
(trilema) nubbins`: danielpbarron the logic doesn't follow, please explain showing your workings?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not sad today!
(trilema) nubbins`: the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform agreed, he has held all the cards since day 1.
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL it's run
(trilema) nubbins`: it's about how #b-a is run
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform kako's mouth is shut for the time being
(trilema) nubbins`: <+jurov>danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times << HEH
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' << agreed, which is why i found hanbot's vulgarity very disheartening; she only jumped into the conversation to insult and vexate. mp's bringing my wife into it was a ludicrous response to me accusing him of fraud. my wife's not in the picture.
(trilema) nubbins`: <+danielpbarron>it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. << that's beause kako had the private convo with me, not you
(trilema) nubbins`: he's a small, sad man, nothing more than a mark karpeles with better book-learning. lucked his way into a windfall by recognizing bitcoin as an opportunity early on; just hasn't fallen on the sword yet.
(trilema) nubbins`: his inability to listen when he's offered advice is off-putting, and his inability to admit error when it's glaringly obvious is vulgar
(trilema) nubbins`: his ad hominem attacks (called my wife an ugly broad!) reflected quite poorly on him as a person and as a leader of anything meaningful
(trilema) nubbins`: mp's initial silence on the Nk, Nm node stuff until his other arguments were busted implies strongly that it's total bullshit,
(trilema) nubbins`: here's the straight dope. we all knew from the start that mp doesn't care when he's wrong, he just bulldozes. countless examples exist, i don't care to find them for you. kako agrees that the expense is fraudulent, jurov agrees, many others agree; the only ones who don't agree are you, who seem quite willing to let kako take the hit in order to maintain peace, and hanbot, who obviously doesn't count as an opinion
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform just wondering: do you still think it's a drill?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform consider the case that i may consider my cat a steed. if i mount it, what happens?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform what mircea_popescu considers it doesn't necessarily reflect what it actually is
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform strange since all but hanbot and mp agree that nothing adds up
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform you read the logs as well as i. all are aware that the accusation remains unanswered
(trilema) nubbins`: financially or socially
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL stringent policing isn't a thing here anymore
(trilema) nubbins`: an obsession this is not. you asked, i answered
(trilema) nubbins`: who, if you'll double-check the list...
(trilema) nubbins`: she's about as currently relevant as TAT
(trilema) nubbins`: so that's both of us who see no merit to having her on the lordship, then
(trilema) nubbins`: wrote, was, ran, etc.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform tell me something in the present tense and i'll maybe be interested
(trilema) nubbins`: zzzzzzzzzz.
(trilema) nubbins`: not worthy of much respect imo. opinions vary
(trilema) nubbins`: in fact, vexatiousness seems to be the only quality she's willing to share with the world
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform fwiw i value ability and actions, and little else
(trilema) nubbins`: basically just a vexual without the youtube links
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