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(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: sure; my question to you though is why do you think you need someone to "let" you talk? set yourself up so that they will *have to* come to hear you talk, what let you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I doubt he had/has any interest in learning or owning or whatever; he had/has an interest in selling the book to "normies" and all that; basically the "sales" at its "current best", there's enough money floating around that one can get some if working the required incantations long enough/in the approved manner.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there's a lulzy thread there where he came in trying to peddle his book with all the assorted "correct" noises
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to the extent that it's about bitcoin, to my mind your goal is to be the go to there, pretty much end of sentence.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not the full blown thing, sure, but exactly that, get up to speed in a saner way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so cool, but wouldn't that have been better if he knew to come to you for that getting up to speed for instance?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yes, it does; for a small thing that popped in your comment, you said -and I'm quite sure it's an accurate description of what happened there - " he got up to speed himself the best he could in a short period "
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yes, your solution solves the core problem (take and enforce ownership of own assets) but the point is that it will win on its own force, there's no need to prefilter otherwise since how can you, anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: being the go to people sounds to me exactly as it should be; the filtering though seems premature esp given that you aim effectively to educate too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: mull it over if you need to, there's no hurry.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what position are you aiming for in that whole landscape for jwrd?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that's a bit the thing, tbh it seems to me you are overall selling yourselves a bit short there and I don't mean only specifically this event (which is just one event after all, not the end of anything either way)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-30#1016669 - also, while this was close enough to serve the purpose there, note that if they indeed really have *all* the relationships they need, it means they are pretty much stuck and not going anywhere; if they indeed stopped evaluating, there is no possible entry (nor should you wish for one really since it's more of a waste of time in such case)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: why is there no mention of JWRD though? ie jfw is a special guest and you are entrepreneur and nobody would even guess you two are working together?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: can't hurt, at least, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whether this thing is at all related to that WoT or not is the question really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: essentially what you are looking for with "not public" is access to a certain WoT.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and what you have there seems more specifically built to be "not public", basically as a selling point in itself really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that doesn't seem linked directly to public or not public though, does it; ie something being not public doesn't do anything for them *in itself*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (btw and just to be clear: do go to it, certainly).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: consider this: why do you think the people doing the trading don't typically go to public events?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I'd expect they don't; trouble is, I expect there's more layers to "not public" and what you have there is not enough.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically: such a pleasant day of logs!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: fwiw, now looking again through the 30th Dec day of logs with your reading in mind, I can see why you found it challenging; from koschei to naggum, rochester en passant and a whole other forest of trees around, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that cryptoworld pdf made an interesting read, let's say; are there many groups like that in panama or what's the wider landscape?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: can you actually do a first pass/scan to get up to date? and jot down what/where you want to drill down later? because at this rate, you're lucky it's relatively quiet or you'll never catch up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is your log reading even slowing down now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: welcome Ishack
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz, bots escaping notice, they'll take over next you know!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: do you have any recommendation of a data centre in Korea/around where you live? what data centre do you use?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let's even see after all, can't hurt asking:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: also, you should publish your "fuck you, shinjiru", for your own future ref if nothing else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (if it exists even...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re search, I took at some point in anger the map of net pipes and went from there, datacentre lists per country etc; the trouble however is that as long as you search online only, the options are really "many of the same thing" with the odd stuff quite invisible as far as I can tell.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: so if you want to filter them more stringently, you need to decide first what are you filtering them for ie what you really can't live with (as usual, it's the negative that defines it, what can one do)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: after all, my blog is hosted with "if it can't be the right thing, let it be at least the cheapest" - and that means re interaction too, not only monthly price; there's ample previous pain behind that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... (though you might need to tell them 3,4,5 times and otherwise pre-empt their idiotic automations)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-30#1016628 - the result of my dive into that specific swamp was after all that they are all quite the same wrt to want-account-won't-gpg; the differences are at most a couple of nodes down the tree of idiocy from there, with asiatics especially automated in the worst way possible; so on that side, the best I can currently say I saw at least is some that respond quickly and do as told ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-30#1016624 - good; and since you looked into those and took notes, put it into the pipeline to write it up and publish it properly as an article one of those days.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re waiting for an answer, what can I say - you could have asked the same thing earlier; it takes some planning, yes, the horror.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I would suggest you start with a blank page and use the existing draft only to extract info out of; because the trouble with trimming this one and whatevers is that you risk carrying over some of its problems anyway and there is little benefit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... explain and get someone (be that some future you) up to speed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-29#1016619 - well, I couldn't even read the whole dump so the first problem is that it's unreadable really; this doesn't mean there aren't further problems otherwise; re what-do: start with the purpose of the article (giving a clear and correct description of what and how the bot does), decide on how you want to structure it and then start filling it in keeping in mind that you aim to ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: wtf is that whaack_temp_trav thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: anyways, try then to basically prepare it that way in advance and see how it goes; hopefully you don't then drag feet on even pondering & preparing it, ha; maybe set up the time for that when convenient/you'd do some thinking/planning anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the obvious that I recall seemed mainly of the "don't really care/want to deal with this"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so research that, but do mind your sources; and you know, it's not *only* mobo that has spec and docs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (because hm, I think I have counterexamples at the ready, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: anyway, do you really mean you never drag your feet on anything *other* than writing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and that's not a difference either :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so what's the crucial difference between the 2 classes of tasks then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do you do that sort of feet dragging for all tasks?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and myeah for the rest; wake up already, it's worth it way more than drifting about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so doesn't that hold the answers to your questions re mobo?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: don't you have /didn't you find already the full spec & docs for your mobo?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, the mission was to get the computer built but that includes knowing *what* you are building it out of! ffs, how can it NOT include that to this degree that you don't even know what nic you have? (or maybe you don't even have one? lolz)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: write it down; turn it on, try the lshw and see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: mk, so turn it off, open it up, study the mobo.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: as in for another day that never comes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, it's this sort of thing that turns out any task into "minimal effort and I'll call it a day"; does it need to bite you so you actually look at it properly? or what, do you need me to ask you to draw detailed diagrams of everything?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there are all those components that you get to see directly and otherwise end up afterwards doing all sorts from playing your others-are-working shit to everything else and you ...don't even look at it when you specifically take it out and put it back in; why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: where did you ever lose your curiosity ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why not?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and if there isn't, that also says something - namely that you need to learn to bake in proper breaks as well, because you most probably end up using household chores or whatever as "breaks")
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because if there is, it would at least give you some clues re what's exactly going on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: also, when you find yourself postponing starting on a task - did you try to just pick a different task from the full list for the week and see if there's any on which you'd start directly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, you can try lshw perhaps (and more specifically lshw -class network); or ifconfig -a if it says anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: didn't you make this computer with your own hands? how can it be you don't ...know what is in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: uhm, how come you don't know what nic you have, to start with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how about you split this sort of thing into 2 "tasks": one is of the type "ponder and prepare", to be done on one day; the 2nd comes after that and picks up from the notes/output of the first; I'm making some assumptions here re what is keeping you from starting, since you haven't really said anything on that score so if it doesn't fit, you'll have to dig as to what the trouble really is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: since the trouble is at the getting started part, it's that you need to address really; sure, once you get started too late, it will spill one way or another.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I guess that answered my question re time, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: did it fit within the time? reading the text sounds like on occasion you remembered it for a bit but not much, indeed, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are fine with it, cool for you; what about the stuff people were waiting on you to deliver otherwise? it's not the provider's scammy status the most interesting thing there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: that much I had seen in the logs, sure; except that was only an ack on your part with no specifics re what and *when* you'll DO it, you know?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I see; right, colours and/or anything else up to the css; works.
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg: o.O style it line by line??
(trilema) diana_coman: np; looks not bad atm though I'd even strikethrough the deleted lines tbh
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg: fixed indeed!
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg: hm, why the scrollbars then?
(trilema) diana_coman: visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? (and I'm truly asking aka if indeed there's a good reason for it, fine; I just don't currently see the reason)
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg: I don't get why is the code separated from the rest of the text as such; for one thing the test article there for instance did not work well at all on zoom in/out in my firefox
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: how is the mpwp test&deploy&handover moving in the end?
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg: why is the viewport necessary?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (I admit I could never count shopping (of any sort, groceries or whatever else) as getting out.)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... longer than it's worth (for what it is) and unpredictable in the sense of mostly screwing up the whole day and/or snowballing etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that may or may not help; like any fix, it starts with figuring out the problem; so on one hand if it's just groceries, see if there's a more efficient way of getting that done; if it's getting out, plan proper get outs, what, it's not like you "get out" to visit the grocery shop wtf; on occasion the 2 can mix, sure, but it doesn't have to be the default or anything; and at any rate, the core trouble there is that it's both ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for one thing, getting out does not have to mean santa cruz (and I rather doubt it's such a great place for *that* purpose)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: fix does not mean "get rid of the trip",lolz; what it means is "make it *work* properly"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-28#1016515 - do focus on the logs first; articles can wait, esp when they are anyway fresh out like yesterday's temptation there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that sounds overall like a lousy day; you need to fix this santa cruz thing though, one way or another, because it's more of an ongoing nuisance than anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957491 fare, not fair; well, hopefully fare fairly but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: one way or another...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw you're welcome :)
(trilema) diana_coman: that it does at times, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and look at that, bad titles are better than good titles - at least at getting a different perspective since neither of you asked a question otherwise :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ain't experience a darling.
(ossasepia) diana_coman admits she has never ever been into sales but seriously now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: exactly that: same pitch, different directions
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your main aim is precisely to make them see why they should know it; everything else comes second to that really; and jfw nobody will ever think they should know it just because you show you know it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure; make it useful to them too, absolutely.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: more to the point - wouldn't it be what serves you best too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it even helps perhaps, since then you get to cover more between the two of you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: aha, crossed lines there; so yes, first part of sales presentation is still relevant, though you can of course choose to illustrate with a different problem/other specific angle
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but back to the point of the presentation itself: recall that you are trying to essentially help people solve some problems so that's where it starts from; sure, proving you can solve their problems (hence knowledge and value) is important, but first of all make sure they are listening aka they can see how it relates to their problems
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and at any rate, don't do this "that part is not mine, won't touch it"; just like dorion still learnt and learns some tech, so will you still learn some more sales too, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: maybe you can clarify the above from the sales presentation part
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: dunno, I don't quite see this difference you make there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: btw, your descriptions of your presentations lack one very important part, namely the "why should I care about this"; possibly you cover it well in the actual presentation, but since you didn't mention it there, better said than passed in silence, just in case.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ^ if you have something to add there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or what's the rub?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as far as I'm aware it's not like you get paid for those presentations so I don't see how/why would they have something against you actually ...promoting your stuff
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: why not focus that second presentation quite explicitly on your training (aka its rationale in the first place, ofc), what's wrong with that? iirc there'd be quite a lot of punchier stuff anyway, from the away from fast food computing to your motto even
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you know, there's also carrots, not only sticks, lol; the result of having done one review should not be "cool, now jump directly into ANOTHER one", lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: aww, dorion , that was my fun with it, don't take it all that seriously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: meant to say, did you ping MP re your answer there? and I do mean specific ping "I answered this", not just this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so think it through properly this time, choose your structure well and write the 2nd article, all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: fine then; if it's a full rewrite, it will have to be another article, yes; and time there will have to be found to do things properly, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: gah, why not aim for the right thing the first time!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: or do you intend a full rewrite/structural change?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically you published a draft, what can one do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: in this particular case, just update it; hopefully it's not a FULL REWRITE you need there either, is it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: review & update as in just fix it; no need to write another review article about the review etc, ok?
(trilema) diana_coman: speaking of resurfacing, mocky.org is still down for me; Mocky, am I trying the wrong url/ip?
(trilema) diana_coman: hopefully it's not *that prospect* that keeps ave1 from resurfacing in the first place!
(trilema) diana_coman: sadly lobbes's hoster there turned out to have been quite as idiotic as they seemed in the first place
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: also, there's a "//" trailing there so possibly you have something borked in your theme
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: it seems I somehow ended up duplicating my comment on your rock article though no idea how that happened; please delete one, ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: do you have a blog/write somewhere online?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there might be delay in receiving an answer as people are not always around; but stay connected and an answer will come, people do read the logs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: np; do speak up at any time and ask questions, it tends to work best.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for #trilema channel there are a few summaries for some of the weeks way back, see the category on my blog; for the rest, do realise that it's precisely very much alive, hence no, doesn't fit that easily in that sort of straightjacket.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: you can search the logs for sure; you can even download the data and get it into your own db/R/whatever and so mark it to your heart's desire
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: would you mind saying how old are you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the blogs try - as much as that works, which is not all that much - to have reasonable categories and/or tags for articles
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or "threads where we discuss X and not Y + we have moderators too because saying the bad words means you don't have a point"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you'd want q&a ordered by a neat and all-knowingly-upfront hierarchy of "topics" and all that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: o.O ; what do you mean by structured data in this context?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: as to the "group", I guess see http://younghands.club/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: it does tend to strike people as a lot of... that unseen part of life, indeed; mainly because nowadays there seems to be so *little* part of life outside, what can one say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Trixmi: you mean a place where people talk to one another? like...here? lolz; there are the logs, see http://logs.ossasepia.com/log
(ossasepia) diana_coman: new_yh|1: you can change your nick to something more... yours, you know? the command is /nick what-you-want-as-nick
(ossasepia) diana_coman: new_yh|1: which bit are you asking about? there's a lot going on around here, kind of both wide and deep.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: new_yh|1: heh, curiosity is the best reason to be around really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what brings you around here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello new_yh|1
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-27#1016379 - was it more than just the resistance of uhm, fitting 2 in space for 1 indeed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-27#1016378 - what came out poor, the article or the review or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-27#1016372 - ahaha; it's enough to know, what notice, lol; and glad it was, I'll read it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-27#1016353 - I did hear this before, except with a different sports-name, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: why won't you link that qntra course offer from the contribute to qntra article? or is it linked and I just missed it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do search for causes; do not search for justifications.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds very sensible indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: can the justification-problem be fixed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: you're welcome; and if you keep quiet the whole coming week too, you'll have some additional fire coming after you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can't hurt anything for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and if you don't want to burn, you'll probably at the very least keep people (the relevant people!) informed too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: list the options; list your constraints, priorities, burning fires and coming impalements (or similar); since you don't know much about either of them, you'll probably need then to ask people about the corresponding sets of problems, so you'll do that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what *are* the existing options anyway, that's where it starts from, practically
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: that above was the theory of a theory though, lolz; you don't have experience, fine, but ask how to do stuff, don't just nod that it's fine so you can then stare at it all some more (except now with a new theory behind the stare, sure)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I mean sure, I can let you nod at theory and get on with it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: why talk pure theory, how is that going to help you really?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: eh, you're talking pure theory there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the search for justification reveals a problem, certainly, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: does it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your criteria should focus on ~which set of problems is the best choice currently given the whole context
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so basically you have 3 (or more) sets of problems to choose from
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: well, for all I know, you'll likely run into troubles (different set, sure) with centos 6 as well, mainly because of old versions of everything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (I mean: what *good* is it going to do?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's a justification going to do?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so what if it were first time even?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have trouble being able to imagine "one" gentoo as such, it's more like shifting sands
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what is classic gentoo anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: where /on what did you run this before?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and by review I mean the content too; remember that part with writing something to convey the meaning, not to prove that you actually read it in detail, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do a proper review and update of that article as really, I can't read it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: at any rate, note that this is not about "can't open port so I'll change OS", lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: is it a physical machine or a vm?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because yes, lacking clear criteria, you'll spin, of course, what *else* could you do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what are your criteria to decide?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc centos 6 is set to vanish this March so myeah, possibly already gone from standard menu.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: can't they install something else or what's the thing with centos 7?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, if you just used it instead to hide behind it then yes, they'll stick out just as annoyingly as whaack's
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: iirc your gbw-node series was written more like a walking the reader through the whole thing so possibly the "we" there stood for you-and-reader; it can work in that way if that's indeed how the text is built.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha! you mean to say that since your previous lines already made it hard for poor subsequent lines to be read...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: how many more lines do you reckon I get to read before I barf again? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: either own it that you do it or name the code/bot that does it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: aaargh, do not do the "we send" "we receive" "we ..."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: don't do things by half, it's ~always a losing strategy.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: if you provide a table of contents then do it properly and make those items links to the right place in the text.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: hm, all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is the fact that on some things nobody really wants to find out all that much, granted; but that's a consideration for an earlier point in this story.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-26#1016239 - btw, this is not a problem in itself; if you don't know the whole chain, then you'll discover it by brute force even, if need be, what; sure, ideally you figure out the chain first but if that's a too high step to even start with, then just turn the damn things off ONE BY ONE - you'll still find out more about them that way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: outline + intro fine; how is the filling mainly links though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: wait, is that the review & plan you are talking about, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: was it that they didn't have centos 6 anymore or why 7 anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: gives a whole new meaning to using one's head!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: at least it's a ...methodical jumping!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: it's a huge waste of time really, even if it may feel different
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dunno people, did those jumping arounds *ever* worked for any of you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: lolz; listen, this is basic: when you want to figure out the culprit, you *walk the whole chain* until you find the exact place; ie sure, start from whichever end but don't do just one thing and then walk away; so: either you turn off one by one *everything if need be* or you start with everything off and then add them back one by one until you find it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but dunno, I'd have thought you were trying to keep things *simple* since even then they are enough of a headache
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: you can at least check relatively easily aka simply turn off iptables and firewalld and whatever other firewall you have already and see if that sorts it out at least
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: centos 7 already brings in systemd so yeah, expect all sorts; that being said, if it's a virtual machine you have there, iirc on centos there is at times some additional mess with "containers-wtf" so that's another possible addition to your tower of problems.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: well, you have first to answer MP in #t for quite a few things so maybe do that first anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: while I'm sure that's true, the best answer to that sort of question goes along the lines of "there's still x, y, z to do/at s stage and those should not take more than h hours so that leaves me a buffer of p hours counting from 3pm here to end of day/whatever hour"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: is that tmsr-os going to cause some more sleep debt today?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: you around?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, that's back to 15, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: meant to say: do speak up if there's any way I can help; journalism is not something I know all that much about but if you think it helps to bounce off some ideas or anything, just speak
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: pbulish ahead!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what's that firewalld? it's first time I hear of it, is that a centos7 thing? ftr on centos6 I always had at most iptables (and at times not even that is really needed, depending on what you want with the machine exactly).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now that's properly setting yourself up at least on the count-your-opportunities side !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and yeah, I noticed and fully appreciated your help yesterday in the logs but it did ring the bell, hence the q today)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: certainly; will you take the opportunity to do exactly the just starting though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you alive under that mountain of writing you set for yourself for this weekend? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ahaha; who do you find to do that bet with? :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yeah, you need to learn to just get moving; time for pondering is when you go for a walk/set aside time specifically/can't do anything else anyway, that sort of thing but not when you should just start on something; takes some practice though, like everything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yeah, do it anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh, sounds exactly as expected :P
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: as it happens, while looking for something else entirely, I found this stated schematic.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: 'twas more of a side effect really, never aimed as such for it or anything of the sort; and sure, it works under normal circumstances (ie it certainly wouldn't have worked - not that I even *tried* it, ffs - when extremely tired as in will fall asleep if I as much as lean on a wall for 1 second).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re clocks, what can I say, generally I can rely on internal alarm clock to even wake up within ~5 minutes of desired time but I don't think it's an absolutely needed skill for everyone otherwise, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alternatively, you figure out what refresh works best for you, but it has to work and fast enough too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hence my above: *not a siesta*!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: neah, 15-20 minutes thing; it makes though a significant difference.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: needed nap is exactly that, basically a system shutdown to refresh; fall down and sleep, wake up 15/20 minutes later without any alarm clock or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what you are describing is not nap though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but seriously, even at 18, after 6 hours of Uni-level Maths at our prof's rather unrelenting pace (peppered with "this is obvious, won't go in detail, you'll figure it out yourselves in time for the exam), I *needed* 20 minutes nap, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "if tired then go to sleep" doesn't change just because it's 3 pm or something; sure, a needed nap, not a full-blown siesta or something.
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: I'd say more about some males not being and women doing but perhaps it might still be what you were looking for; specifically re being, I recall this comment
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