asciilifeform: asciilifeform is not , in his opinion, inept to the point of vegetable, but must say that prolly could not do what Mocky did, at least within the budget that he did it in
mircea_popescu: yes, basketball-ballet and stripper-ballet and all other ballets.
mircea_popescu: the only passible definition of intelligence i am aware of is, "the reunion of fields of human activity where the time-function has no age-relation."
mircea_popescu: take http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844323 ; the one thing the bimbo whose summaries you don't like and whose marked improvement over time you disparage had to say was "oh, great idea. we did that at purdue, made a lot of money." she happens to be right, too ; she also hasn't the decades of doing this. or anything else, for that matter -- she can barely speak english.
asciilifeform: it's a cost of specialization / finite hrs in the day. i suppose i could prolly become a middling-to-ok chukcha talker, instead of what i do nao, if comes to it. but i dun think i will ever be a champ, i dun have the decades of doing it, that other folx have.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is not a+++ chukcha talker / polar explorer, this aint a seekrit, that crown goes to others.
mircea_popescu: we're not even talking "magic number only dragons know" sorta items here. take the easy example of "go dig up qatar/uruguay/whatever", not because im trying to underhandedly make you move but because it's a fabulously easy to see example.
asciilifeform: early trb , for instance. i had nfi how to cure the db locks thing until mircea_popescu supplied the pill.
asciilifeform: will also add, some problems my spade dun work on, and take unseemly long time of 'wtf did you do' to even convert into spadeable form with the tooling available to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: btw while we're on subj of spades, asciilifeform is not ( contrary to the apparent picture ) averse to taking input re where to spade.
asciilifeform: perhaps it's simply the fact of duped p's and q's, but could easily be larger
mircea_popescu: the problem with "precisely what" being it's elusive.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu had a pretty interesting observation in '16, 'the boecks were rousted because we're on to sumthing, but we dun know precisely what yet'
mircea_popescu: "what's the only salient point of #metoo '''mopvement''' aka morons on usg.ugc sites ?" "that it only attaches to people who don't laugh at them."
asciilifeform: gotta go to the place-being-distracted-from.
mircea_popescu: gotta become standard republican behaviour, insta-go into the silence.
mircea_popescu: the point you make re serpent is solid -- discussions, by the dumptruck. of anything and everything BUT. went there, yielded within the week.
mircea_popescu: they didn't discuss factored keys re rsa, everything and anything but that -- we went ther,e it yielded.
asciilifeform: a++ heuristic, can take to the bank
asciilifeform: in retrospect seems obvious that it's the most questionable bit
asciilifeform: conceivably if asciilifeform were smarter, would've ~began~ with the scheduler, rather than the sboxes
asciilifeform: could have very easily done same amt of spading, and not found. i dun even know if i'll find a reduction of the matrix, just yet.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, the entirety of the morning's discussion reduces to "what the fuck've you been spading, i only hear about serpent-this nao".
asciilifeform: if i had 100% 'where to spade' , we'd be shooting enemy from atomic dirigible with death ray just nao, rather than this thread.
mircea_popescu: taking the evident and less fraught example of phuctor -- yes, "tel you what, ima dake djb results and apply!", genius. but "let's actually divide some numbers" absolutely spade, and it is this latter that yielded.
asciilifeform: at any rate not proposing that i single-handedly uncalibrate mircea_popescu , i suspect that other folx contribute, lol
mircea_popescu: and very good that you did it, and yes for some-incomprehensible-reason "people" dun seem to be ever doing it, but it's still what it fucking is -- self evident and systematically applicable to any and all other ciphers.
asciilifeform: ( as it is asciilifeform floods the l0gz )
asciilifeform: sometimes i suspect that i threw mircea_popescu's 'how hard is $problem' meter out of all possible calibration, given as very often when asciilifeform posts a thing, it is result of year or two of experimentation; and on other hand if i put ~all~ of the intermediates and dead ends into the l0gz, there'd scarcely be any room for anyffing else
asciilifeform: the simplicity and reducibility-to-factoringishard of rabin is appealing, and wai not bake in advance so as mircea_popescu yr later doesn't 'why didntcha!'
mircea_popescu: in which case yes, it'd seem at least one workable method is for parties to declare F=RSA-n1n2(x) and then use its spew as otp pad for all their stuff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact, as eulora comms mandate the parties know at least one rsa key of each other, it becomes eminently possible to use (session-based!) n1*n2 for this purpose.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 19:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, how about this : let K being the key n bits long (say 512), and let f(x) = 2 * K[0] * x ^ n + 3 * K[1] * x ^ n-1 + 5 * K[2] * x ^ n-2 + 7 * K[3] * x ^ n-3 + 11 * K[4] * x ^ n-4 +...+ 3643 * K[n-2] * x ^ 2 + 3659 * K[n-1] * x + 3659. f(x) will produce a pile of bits, this pile is cut in half and xored together, the result is cut in half again. one such half is returned as the prng output ; the other such half
mircea_popescu: (the whole idea behind eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867780 is that the only way for this to work is to have both a key AND an input. which... it is.)
asciilifeform: then it's a perfectly valid injective expand, for whatever purpose.
asciilifeform: the 'nobody has priv' is not even a necessary condition, if you can make it so that only the parties who are actually party to the link, have it.
asciilifeform: nao i'd still rather have 'the key is the fucking key', but gotta point out for the l0gz that the problem contemplated earlier, is in principle solvable.
asciilifeform: afaik the only way to approximate this object is to take, e.g., all of l1, and multiply their public mods together.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw here, if we must, is an example of an injective key expander that is physically possible, but requires an exotic object : a rsa pub that nobody has the priv to. then can 'hash-expand' by rsa-enciphering message to it.
asciilifeform: the other point, is that i dun see why even have key-inflaters. use rng for the fucking key, all of it
mircea_popescu: imo there's a difference between "the hash for this plaintext is undefined" and "we've divided the space of possible plaintexts in synonimy rings for your convenience (which we separated packagely)."
asciilifeform: ( or >1, nothing in re rejecting some inputs, guarantees that there aint )
asciilifeform: there'd still be 1 possible output for erry valid input tho
asciilifeform: it's essentially what serpent's ( and afaik errybody's ) key inflater already does. except that it doesn't bother to tell you, simply shits out a colliding output.
asciilifeform: then you still have a hash, simply with unknown input space, neh
mircea_popescu: nfi what anglo terminology is, but -- obviously all bijective functions are reversible ; however there's TWO ways in which to not be bijective.
asciilifeform: the only way to guarantee non-reversibility , is to lose sumthing
asciilifeform: if there's 1 possible output for each input, then it's an 'sbox' , and reversible ( potentially )
asciilifeform: but! if it is not injective! then you have collisions waiting for you.
mircea_popescu: yes! hence the shredder!
asciilifeform: there is btw a deeper point re key-expanders -- there is a fundamental contradiction between two of the things that folx both want from 'cryptographic hash'. one one hand, they demand 'not reversible', but on other hand they ~also~ demand 'conserves key space'
mircea_popescu: entirely possibly ; wouldn't even be the first time, at that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm actually ready to believe that we're finders of actual find, rather than 'quimby is laughing'
asciilifeform: ( and from-whom. in e.g. 2009 i did not have any friends with coin, and loathed to use 'exchanges' )
mircea_popescu: hey, "why didn't you see the goat" is in the end a boundless question, "i just fucking didn't. i don';t know why, obviously it's there, but i did not see it"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, thank you for the liquidity
mircea_popescu: but this aside -- i suspect you also don't work... how shall i put this... everyone's eval-er that keeps them from making coffin liners works on some heuristics. and i suspect your heuristics are out of whack with the insanity that is bitcoin. ie, the important and the unimportant don't get all that clearly separated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being, i actually take the 'causes, not purposes' thing seriously. even have a poster ver. of it, for pet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu mod6: Here's the data center's info to get the wire to them http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WH2Fe/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: why, our medals are way the fuck cooler.
asciilifeform: if i worked for medals, would work in derpistan academy of sciences, rather than with mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: but the manager in me wouldn't never buy it, because management goes a certain way, and distrusts a certain way.
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE, bitcoin, and ~everything else in the republic this bitcoin is the currency of, ~~~EVERYTHING ELSE~~~~ has a very unlinear time function.
mircea_popescu: here's the one point i am making, overarchingly and i should hope as loudly as humanly possible : ~THERE IS MAJOR BREAKAGE IN THE EVAL FUNCTION~, whereby man looks at 10btc in 2015, thinks "$500" or w/e it was, and then goes "the amt of anti-superficial $500 buys me is one hour, not one day nor one week".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from your pov, find is obvious ? ( if obvious, why are we the first to find it ? )
asciilifeform: but they did not .
asciilifeform: i suppose if the gods had whispered into my ear 'go algebraize the scheduler, even tho it is not actually needed for any implementation, and you'll find buried treasure', would've dug
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> as much as you have now, could have been had then! for, literally, 1-2 man-days, at teh most. you dispute this ?" "<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: nope. couldn't" "<mircea_popescu> sooo! what portion of this do you dispute ?" "<asciilifeform> that 'could have then' "
asciilifeform: that 'could have then'
mircea_popescu: as much as you have now, could have been had then! for, literally, 1-2 man-days, at teh most. you dispute this ?
asciilifeform: or even whether P != NP.
asciilifeform: or whether rsa reduces to factoring.
asciilifeform: ferfuxxsake we still don't know the complexity class factoring falls into.
asciilifeform: i still dun have a proper 'winner' for that tourney ! and neither does anybody else
mircea_popescu: and i have like a strong suspicion that nothing else you did hence had the same btc/hour return, either.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:15 asciilifeform: motherFUCKing whisperers.
asciilifeform: rage, it's good for circulation. but then come back an' think.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's obvious, we don't even know serpent is in fact no good, hence "you persuasively suggest may not be good (but not actually done the work to turn that suggestive theory in practice)"
asciilifeform: imho the 'thing that makes us good' is that we dun do dumb shit like 'we know it's broken but we'll still use it because fuckyou should've discovered yer death ray in 1998'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, maybe your thread. my thread was re "are we fucking idiots ?! we have a foundation that wants to publish statements of the nothing as its only output, we have a bunch of smart people not helping our own industry avoid pitfals, and in this vein forever"
asciilifeform: but to rage over 'why not found this in 1998' is imho odd at the very least.
asciilifeform: thread was strictly re 'canhaz block ciphers?' , rather than 'let's talk mircea_popescu into switching to $weird'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu actually kicked off thread where 'could have replacement ? ' so added one to the record, in case a replacement turns out to be needed.
mircea_popescu: it's, as they call in busioness, "a no brainer" -- i ain't doing jack.
mircea_popescu: understand the position here : code (practice) <-> algos (theory). we currently have actual code for an algo that you persuasively suggest may not be good (but not actually done the work to turn that suggestive theory in practice) and suggest replacement algos (but not done work again). my option is to either put in 0 work for 0 result, or else put in x work for 0 result.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu is a trained maths fella, in fact theoretically moar qualified than asciilifeform to have found it
asciilifeform: coad dun come into it, it's a mathematical find
asciilifeform: 'why didn't you turn over this stone in '15 ?' 'there's 10^100 stones'
mircea_popescu: is the idea more along then lines of "i knew about this all along, just didn't feel about telling you schmucks anything until after you poured cement" ? rather than "i literally could not be arsed to even look at this until someone poured some cement somewhere so i could pester them then" ?
asciilifeform: i had to algebraize the thing , and have just the right rng bits flip in head , to get the 'ceiling tiles' ( why didn't mircea_popescu get'em in '15 ? )
mircea_popescu: that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: the only different element is that today, unlike in 2015 (and not even RIGHT NOW, today as in this year) diana_coman published serpent code.
mircea_popescu: looky, the past 3 days' work could have been done just as well in 2015 as today.
asciilifeform: turning up the (potential! i aint even got a proof yet) weakness of the scheduler algo, took specifically the 'let's fpgaize, i think this is solid!' approach.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of "wait for diana_coman to publish ada code and then i'll maybe give it 6 hours of attention". that's your 3years
asciilifeform: i dun see why conjure up the presense that 'didn't participate at useful time' ; asciilifeform attacked problem of 'blockcipherism' ~continuously for 3+ yr.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ima implement "a cipher alf doesn't like" over alf's objections. because the only way alf'd be a stakeholder in this is... if... he had participated at a usefgul time. not at the time he felt like.
asciilifeform: unlike the massive pile of pgpgrams-cum-aes we've collectively shat out all over the net, nobody's even ciphered anyffing with serpent of yet, aside from diana_coman's tests
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic.
asciilifeform: what i dun get is wai mircea_popescu thinks he has reached the place where 'no option' , afaik he hasn't baked $trillion asic . conceivably if mircea_popescu ( who 'i will live & die by factoring-is-not-in-P !' ) can reduce problem to factoring-not-in-P, he still has option .
mircea_popescu: i suspect, if you care to know, that you have a major problem in that you only want to work on anything once it's too late. not coincidentally, but structurally, it being too late is principally part of the criteria impelling you to work.
mircea_popescu: and if you're curious -- the reason they "whisper" is because they have 0 confidence there's any listeners. and listener means a very specific thing : the sort of person who both a) meets the intelligence bar AND!!! ALSO!!!! b) does not hallucinate options. such as "oh, dun need to do this now."
asciilifeform: it's how pc/os ended up what it is, neh. buncha folx 'i spent $trillion and nao i Dun Have The Option to stop..'
mircea_popescu: i saw the problem, in advance, i did my best to solve it, this is what came out of that.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of ~want~. i DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION.
mircea_popescu: i foresaw this need, in 2015. i put 10 btc behind encouraging people to fix the problem. it died an ignominous death, what i have is serpent, that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: not quite the same point.
asciilifeform: ( why bother with cipher, then, could make 9000x point by 'i'ma plaintext! take that!' )
mircea_popescu: this notion of "be anyone" etc is entirely fabricated, out of the venom of mother inca and the overactive brains of idle smart boys. nobody agrees with it, nothing agrees with it in practice, it never is nor ever was nor ever could be found in nature... it's like you thinking santa claus is real.
mircea_popescu: g a point in case. if she's aspiring to "work for the government" she'll tell you about how unfair it is for blacks, if she aspires to work "for tech" she'll tell you how bad homeless are, if she wants to marry and dependopopotamusize she'll tell you handgun stats, whatever.
mircea_popescu: Mocky "After enough conversations with chicks I found the pattern. They talk the same by race, they act the same they think the same. Its like NPCs backed by a bored dialog writer wielding a Markov chain." << honestly, i dunno how much time you spent talking with us-born chickies, but the EXACT SAME THING APPLIES. and they even actively work to create such systematic nonsense, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867831 bein
mircea_popescu: for all i know, just about the time i'm done uprooting this and planting that, you'll be geniusing the exact same thing about that. i have 0 confidence this won't happen, specifically because of historical evolution, and so...
mircea_popescu: i ain't about to change the code i have for a theory that might maybe work because the theory behind the code i have might maybe not work according to this drawing.
mircea_popescu: so the way this is going now -- serpent is going to be perfectly good (tm) for the republic, because the republic is the republic of slow moving, mentally confused morons that miss their opportunities to speak usefully.
mircea_popescu: not for his crime of "being smart" and "figuring out the true truth". but for his crime of saying things out of time. because there was a fucking time for this discussion, and it was strictly BEFORE s.mg paid money for people to work their ass off in preference of playing with their kids to get it a serpent.
mircea_popescu: 3. s.mg tried to be the one fucking thing in its line with encrypted comms, for which purpose it attempted to take some guidance and apply it in practice. NOW, after the money's spent, and the work put in, now smartass-architect comes by to explain "how arches really should be" and "why these arches are terrible". this is worse than useless. not a little worse than useless -- much, MUCH worse than useless. all it does is get
mircea_popescu: t's doing it. because this is what la serenissima is all about -- the doge back in venice is more then welcome to wholeheartedly support whatever the fuck the merchants on the blue find correct just and expedient.
mircea_popescu: im not attached to serpent in any way other than in the following sense you're well fucking advised to pay attention to : 1. s.mg is a corporation, meaning ith's here to make money. 2. s.mg is also trying, but as a fucking distant second, to be a "good" corporation, however that is politically defined. it doesn't give a fuck about this, not in any deep sense, if the money's good it'll go against policy, and CHANGE policy as i
asciilifeform: the discovery of 3y is that pc is actually pretty slow machine for bignumism once you stop leaking with timings
mircea_popescu: we've been talking about c-s for what, 3+ years ? it's still in the same phase.
asciilifeform: so far it's the least retarded variant i can think of. ( beats the shit out of sboxism, at any rate )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 16:55 mircea_popescu: Mocky Your comment on the following post is awaiting moderation: http://mocky.org/Souq-Waqif/ << nice cgi work keks
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868297 >> congrats, ur the first person to leave a nameless comment on my blog. I may have to update my cgi to complain now
asciilifeform: see, rabin dun replace rsa, because of the 4-roots headache; but given as you kick off the 'session' with a rsagram, the latter can contain a bitstring that gives seq #1 . then it gets incremented and appended to payload of each rabinogram, allowing the 4 roots to be distinguished.
mircea_popescu: so have another layer of transport ?
asciilifeform: as part of the rsa payload, give sequence #, and each rabinism will contain the correct next-seq in the correct-of-four roots
mircea_popescu: not in the general case at any rate.
asciilifeform: or rather,
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that now you mix game code into crypto lib, to discriminate possibles.
mircea_popescu: Mocky Your comment on the following post is awaiting moderation: http://mocky.org/Souq-Waqif/ << nice cgi work keks
asciilifeform: ( i've all the necessary logic for it , even : it dun need optimized exponentiations )
mircea_popescu: aactually... i guess i should've left that as a comment on the article in q. brb.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they all look like gypsies anyway.
mircea_popescu: a skill that'll prove most important in their own fucking country, last i heard all the fuckable women they grew locally they exported
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'destructiring problem' is universal to all systems, even rsa
mircea_popescu: and it turns out qatar is actually more important for india than india itself realises : it's where the aspie indie elite goes to learn to be "gay", ie, "i can't get any cunt anyway, might as well get used to living with another dude, wardrobe as well as everything else comes cheaper this way, cheap enough in fact for even scum like me to get some".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that'd be the end of the world. part of the problem of the usecase (eulora comms) is that you have highly structured inputs.
asciilifeform: ( the fundamental q is not 'canhaz 4 ring binder?' or 'canhaz 3?' or 'canhaz clean desk' but rather 'canhaz symm cipher whose difficulty reduces to factoring but cheaper than abused-rsa ? ' )
asciilifeform: subj appears in the l0gz, but nuffin conclusive
mircea_popescu: the traditional romanian "o fut pe ma-ta" seems particularily crafted for the occasion of interacting with pantsuit. because, literally, io asta fac : le fut mamica.
mircea_popescu: "act like a normal nation" aka "don't be a sociopath/psychopath" aka "please recognize incan notions of Holy Mother and Her most reserved role in the playground".
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2661 << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Equation System, in Graphical Form.
BingoBoingo: Reading the Mocky blog, I do not think I can survive the local sun exposure. Not without locals that make themselves available for oppression more readily
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 13:47 diana_coman: was it the time of day/light that made that "my view" picture so sandy-looking?
mod6: Ah dang it. It ok if we just settle up tomorrow then? /me needs some zzz's.
asciilifeform: lappy that sits plugged in mains socket for 8h while owner sleeps and then good for day or 2, is imho possible; just gotta ditch x86..
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 21:16 asciilifeform: 'First of all you can’t get power to charge your laptop. Anywhere. Electrical outlets in customer areas: it’s just not done here' << sounds like the ultimate trial for us x60 folk
asciilifeform: if not needed, then not needed, whoami to say.
mircea_popescu: besides, what's a mocky needed for, i got a corp and everytrhing right there
asciilifeform: i'ma guess it's in the cool-stuff landz, that were hungarian pre-war
mircea_popescu: most of hungarian culture is the result of cluj people. when i say transylvania is the larger part of two adjacent countries i kid you not, it's true.
mircea_popescu: father -- famously competent math guy.
asciilifeform: there's a lulzy sov-era comedic tale about this
mircea_popescu: a little boy rubs a found bottle, and asks the genie coming out... what ? what can you ask ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:04 asciilifeform: ( by a certain mugurel.andreica<at>cs.pub.ro . wonder if spyked et al know the fella )
mircea_popescu: in other news, the immensity of republican priviledge, you know ? here we sit and, with-subject-and-predicate, piss downwards on the entirety of academia, like so much midly retarded children playdo "art".
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sure whichever http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 gets the birdshit will have amply deserved it.
asciilifeform: 'where's the sores'
mircea_popescu: and we'll show THIS discussion to the jwz/zx2c4/randomoron of the future, too, and he'll be "umm...i dunno... http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#selection-1567.0-1567.61 etc.
asciilifeform: ( at one point asciilifeform sat in a peanut gallery in the godforsaken heathen pit where 50+ 'nadias' sat in committee, can prolly even make a guess as to likelies )
asciilifeform: i'm almost curious nao, just which nadia will be getting professorship from 'discovering' the serpent lul.
mircea_popescu: adn the dog's a psychopath.
mircea_popescu: because to the female hindbrain, past, also female.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, because while nadia waits the future is female, and once "nadia's done waiting" then it ALWAYS HAD IT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. ( tho 'nadia' will prolly have to wait for asciilifeform to do it, before 'nadia did it' , like the prev time )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:09 zx2c4: why does the government have an interest in me hearing about nadia's work rather than your work?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:41 asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 18:27 asciilifeform: ( iirc symmetric keys are supplied, per protocol, by client, so not an issue there )
mircea_popescu: the future being female.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for yer lulz collection, saw a chix in some public crowd, with shirt 'the future is female'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.
asciilifeform: there's a famous specimen with a ficus spike in it, peculiar old-school abortion algo, went septic
mircea_popescu: reddit -something they call it.
mircea_popescu: (i don't blame wife, either. what's she to do, stuck with big child ? nurture, nurture.
asciilifeform: yrs ago i scoffed at mircea_popescu's model where 'they all got cucking wife', i scoff no moar
mircea_popescu: can\t even say i blame the peterls / peteds/etcs all that much. they're like those fish, found large female blob to attach to, dispensed of organs etc, now she pumps nutrients.
asciilifeform: somehow they all got 1
mircea_popescu: there was a prior guy just-like, something-thieves
mircea_popescu: the truth is that there's a bunch of reasons people will follow you / come to your house / whatever. and there's this recurrent element of "why can't everyone just get along / this is what we're all doing" sorta thing.
mod6: yeah, exactly. prb is fake-cheese, for losers. can't hack it with the republic, the false choice is thinking that they have an alternative - a loser one at at that. but there really is no alternative. no matter how much you wish it to be REAL cheese, it is not, and never will be.
asciilifeform: what's the draw.
asciilifeform quite distant from subj of hockey, saw a grand total of 1 game in whole life, so will leave thread alone rather than emitting lulzhowlers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, it's all a big highschool cafeteria party, and one gets to pick and choose "his way in life" etc. it all follows, from the insane perspective, its own insane logic etc.
mod6: If a guy is huge and can skate well, then more options for versitility.
mod6: If a guy is huge, but can't skate, then maybe he has an advantage as a shitty defensemen -- plopping him in front of the net to keep the crease clear.
asciilifeform: the heavier folx have advantage
asciilifeform: iirc there's a 'sumo' component also
mod6: If they're going hard, and in good shape, can get rough for d00dz like ole mod6.
mod6: Skill goes up the more you practice and play with people whom are better than you are, ofc. For a old-guy pick up game, can fit in even if not as skilled as most, as long as they're not trying too hard.
asciilifeform: i dunno how much 'level' buncha 50-60 y.o. d00dz have; but then again i am not aficionado
mod6: Although, I'm surprised that they're not ~that~ much better..
mod6: ikr; I'm not even close to that level. The guys that I've been playing with are ex-college guys, which, are for sure better than I am.
mod6: Someday, I'd like to get the chance to play in a pick-up game with President Putin.
mod6: Speaking of hockey... played in another game. Wasn't nearly as out-of-shape as last time. No goals though, but 2 assists, 7 SOG, 1 Hit.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'I’m just back from a wedding in Calgary. It was a fairly posh affair, if an intimate one befitting the couple’s slightly more mature stage of life. A well-to-do dentist, herself the daughter of an even better-to-do-though-recently-retired dentist, was marrying a charming chap from the Maritimes. It was a slightly exhausting trek with our four-month-old in tow, but in the end so very worth it' etc etc
asciilifeform: i dun see that pete_dushenski has any biznis here. he's where he belongs, with the 'mah fambly' picz, automotive circle-jerks, etc
asciilifeform: i do sometimes wonder what goes on in the heads, 'hey i hate them nao, mebbe prb is where it's at', wtf
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the extra info there. I did check the two IPs myself too, no worky. I figure, the man has a -10 from Mr. Popescu, and no longer visits this chamber. Ergo, he's ejected.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok cool, if you don't mind then, I'll probably just do deedbot wallet since it's a bit quicker for me.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-23 14:07 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, 158.69.54.79:8333 /therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/ (70001) << wtf ?
asciilifeform: mod6: d00d still lists a 'Public Bitcoin Node(s) 158.69.54.79 188.165.209.181' on his www, the latter dun answer on 8333, the former is some chimera, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23#1837433
mircea_popescu: either way tbh, i dun care.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Hi Sir, if I win the auction here, how would you like me to settle? Via btc from deedbot-wallet, or via ECU and trade in eulora (this may take a day or so to exchange my BTC into ECU hope this isn't a big deal).
mod6: And now I'm not personally hosting the foundation website, so that'll save me some pocket-lint.
asciilifeform: 'jurov moved the Foundation website to the Foundation's server hosted at Pizarro' << confirmed that it worx, a++ btw, ty jurov
asciilifeform: seems like there's a roughly 6 mo. lifetime for folx who fall into 'man alone', sorta how there is 6 mo. ramp-up for n00bz
asciilifeform: '0x012: pete_dushenski's [R.07] nodes were found to be dead, and thus removed from the list of Advertised Republican Nodes' << ha
mod6: I should have waited 4 more minutes to send -- no big deal, but the statement ended up in the October bin, instead of November.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000317.html
asciilifeform: at least until i actually do it and it spews forth the pill eqn.
asciilifeform: hey, it remains theoretically possible that asciilifeform somehow is mistaken and the gauss-reduced matrix has unique solution...
mircea_popescu: in other news, this rapidly deteriorating day (it fucking rained on me at the beach, on TOP of serpent being as tight as hilary's ass) was saved by my ... 404 mn ecu pop in Eulora. very high % valuyable shit, too!
asciilifeform: there's a quite tall pile of pointlessly murdered trees behind ' asciilifeform never brought us a nice symm cipher ! '
asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'i'ma use turing-complete automaton as hash!' is that ~specifically~ the aspect that makes it seem appealing to begin with, is the very same thing that kills you, it is impossible to prove non-cyclicity
asciilifeform: ( in general asciilifeform eschews wasting folx's time with questionable algos for which there is no approach to fix )
asciilifeform: i had an automata thing, but found that i could not in good conscience play it for the prize, i never found any approach to a proof that it dun have ( as mircea_popescu called ) 'kek state'
asciilifeform: ( the prng stuff is even easier to demolish, imho it's not worth anyffing )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bigger saddity, is that i dun have anything to offer to plug-in replace 'serpent', nao just as in '16 when mircea_popescu was offering prizes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:46 asciilifeform: if it can't, you can narrow the type and be rid of the implicit 'is-div0?' check
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867935 << he;'s got a solid point there.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:41 Mocky: I have more blog posts churning thru the pipeline atm, mostly written for some days now. photo handling jammed up my process