#trilema | 2018-10-31

diana_coman: mod6, current eucrypt does use keccak hashes, yes

diana_coman: mod6, also, re running keccak by itself - have a look at the tests that I provided for it in eucrypt as they work effectively as an "example of running keccak" too

asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman

diana_coman: hi asciilifeform !

asciilifeform: diana_coman: serpent lulz make sense thus far ?

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did not yet have the time to look at it in more detail, I just skimmed through the results

asciilifeform: you'll find that it's pretty simple, imho

mircea_popescu: aww poor alf!

asciilifeform: hm?

mircea_popescu: listen, it's getting read, dun worry about it.

asciilifeform: hey no hurry

mod6: diana_coman: ah, thanks for the info! will check it out :]

asciilifeform: meanwhile , in the world of the c-machine, https://archive.is/e5xD9 >> 'curl contains a heap out of buffer read vulnerability... stderr... formats the output to wrap at 80 columns. The wrap logic is however flawed, so if a single word in the message is itself longer than 80 bytes the buffer arithmetic calculates the remainder wrong and will end up reading behind the end of the buffer' etc

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, had thought, in re 'candidates for asicization', http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865459 mechanism prolly oughta be on the list.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 17:54 asciilifeform: the idea being, that nobody lacking a copy of the pad can cause you to wind yours forward.

asciilifeform: i.e., ic that when paired with another of its kind, and rng, saves internally the pad; but won't simply disgorge it unless in a synchronous link with the item it was synced with, as described in the algo.

asciilifeform: hypothetically, it'd be safe to transport, or even mail; it is impractical to capture,saw open,dump contents,bake a substitute with the copied pad,and deliver to unsuspecting counterparty, inside the space of day or two. esp. if you make the pad live in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656777 sram, rather than flash .

a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even

Mocky: wouldn't that require sync'd clock cycles?

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: Mocky: if you're speaking of the 'remanence-free sram' -- think of it as a 1950s-style delay line store, with 1 (on-die) delay line per bit ( and not even necessarily, each can store multiple bits )

asciilifeform: thing is powered at all times, so it knows what the relation b/w the primary clock and the phases is.

asciilifeform: but you dun get the charge accumulation that makes for successful 'freeze with ln2 and read' .

asciilifeform: ( and no, you can't buy remanence-free sram, afaik, off-the-shelf, i devised it and it is published only in the l0gz.)

asciilifeform: i suspect it's the closest thing physically possible to saw-proof sram 'safe'.

asciilifeform: cutting into the ic package, probing, etc. will change the capacitance and throw the lines out of phase.

asciilifeform: ( for bonus, sync the units after you've already cast'em into bricks of lead )

asciilifeform: will look 'great' to xray, too.

asciilifeform: ( even answering the q of just where inside the brick the thing is, without heat stress or saw, will be painful )

asciilifeform: naturally this aint exactly commercially-hotstuff, it suffers from same problem as my other items, e.g. FG, namely that there's maybe 100 thinking people alive total, i.e. folx who could reliably distinguish the real thing from 9000x-cheaper imitation liquishit.

asciilifeform: so i have nfi how one'd make it a +ev biznis-proposition.

asciilifeform: it's a (gedanken-)-faberge.

asciilifeform: the problem faced by even fella with a first-class head, when buying 'crypto iron', is a 9000x hypertrophied instance of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867790 boojum -- to know what he's getting, he is stuck with much ~harder~ problem than even original maker had in making the artifact to begin with !

a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: though it seems on some level this is a religious behaviour, "very easy to come up with ideas very hard to evaluate them". well... something's defo broken then!

asciilifeform: wot/chain-of-custody is the only known pill, and it still comes pretty shaky guarantees.

asciilifeform: for instance, i have here 2 FG units i flew ~back~ from pizarro, they had been pawed by randos when ben_vulpes had his customs debacle. in so far as i can tell , they have orig firmware still, and by erry possible test they are virginal, but even i cannot say whether they're 'still FG' or not !

asciilifeform: some variant of the 'nail polish' trick, would help, but not cure, this headache.

asciilifeform: it's an open problem, and will prolly forever remain, in some sense, open; but afaik the gold standard is still a powered, disturbance-sensitive storage on-die.

asciilifeform: currently i'm not even certain that makes sense to ~sell~ a crypto iron; possibly a truly-serious user ~must~ make 'his own' , out of standardized, exhaustively-testable, and -- most importantly -- mix&match-able, components, from a design he has read & understood.

asciilifeform: wot + hand-delivery cuts, in a way, this knot. but not practical for konsoomer/heathen iron, sadly.

asciilifeform: *that it makes sense

asciilifeform: if somehow FG were to catch on with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866428 crowd, the situation will not differ so much from the current : coupla 100 people will have the genuine article, and 9,999,999 sad folx will have physically-similar item made in hong kong to washington's specs. and i couldn't do a thing about it.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 16:56 mircea_popescu: ie, they'll buy your used underwear to wear on head just as well.

deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/31/smg-comms-chapter-5-rsa-with-oaep-from-ada/ << Ossasepia - SMG Comms Chapter 5: RSA with OAEP from Ada

asciilifeform: 'The new Ada code simply reads from a Fuckgoats that it expects to be available at a pre-set path, *already initialised*1 and ready to read from' << ha, nice

diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, you win!

diana_coman: "Over the next few days I started to meet people and collect the items I’d need to survive. " - ahahaha, that guide to Doha-zone was nice to read; how's that quest going?

diana_coman: Mocky, ^

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the caveat re my method, is that i do not presently know how to ~portably~ 'lock' the thing ( so >1 process dun eat from it )

Mocky: I have more blog posts churning thru the pipeline atm, mostly written for some days now. photo handling jammed up my process

asciilifeform: ( it goes straight to the /tmp files horrors )

asciilifeform: the q, i mean.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah; part of the reason why I did not just nuke the C thing but rather kept them both in there at least for now

asciilifeform: 'The "No Implicit Conditionals" restriction for the whole smg comms had to be discarded because of the Keccak...' << this is odd; is there an array concatenation in keccak ?

asciilifeform: cuz that's typically why

diana_coman: lemme find the line, 1 sec

asciilifeform: ( using the ada ampersand notation )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, this line: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/18/eucrypt-chapter-6-keccak-transformations/#selection-159.735-159.812

asciilifeform: ahahaha it's the implicit div0 check

asciilifeform: can Z_Length be 0 ever, legitimately ?

asciilifeform: if it can't, you can narrow the type and be rid of the implicit 'is-div0?' check

asciilifeform: (at least on my old gnat, this worked reliably)

asciilifeform: loox like it's a naked modular type right nao

asciilifeform: Keccak_L: constant := 6; Z_Length: constant := 2**Keccak_L; << so it's 64

diana_coman: myeah, type is modular; z_length is a constant though and ugh, not 0 because then you have no state to talk of

diana_coman: it's literally the depth of the "cube" that is the state of bits for keccak

asciilifeform: diana_coman: so you aint gotta mod; an integer mod 64 is simply same as & 63 .

asciilifeform: bang, nomoar div0 check.

diana_coman: myeah, but not as clear wtf goes on in there

asciilifeform: and you dun have to hardcoad it; simply replace Output(X, Y) := Rotate_Left(Input(X,Y), ( (T+1)*(T+2)/2) mod Z_Length); with Output(X, Y) := Rotate_Left(Input(X,Y), ( (T+1)*(T+2)/2) and (2**Keccak_L - 1));

asciilifeform: arithmetically same, and nomoar div.

asciilifeform: can define as an inlined op, for clarity, also.

asciilifeform: ada treats any statement that divides by anything other than an immediate constant ( incl. / or mod by a named constant ) as potentially div0-barfing

asciilifeform: and inserts the check

asciilifeform: 'No Implicit Conditionals' bans this, with the result of banning such forms

diana_coman: makes sense; I'm adding the note there and the ref for now

asciilifeform: ( the only other operation i know to do this, is array concatenation ; hence my earlier suspicion )

diana_coman: I don't have any array concatenation, no

asciilifeform: implicit conditionals aint evil per se , tho ; i banned them in ffa specifically as they get in the way of constanttimeism, is all

asciilifeform: there is no particular reason why ~erry~ proggy has to have the same pragma fascism as ffa ( and in fact i've written several that cannot function under that set of constraints, e.g. the mmap thing requires System.Address )

asciilifeform: it is one of the reasons why i section my routines into staticlinkable libs , rather than 'take this and cut&paste'

diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly; my approach so far though was simply "start with the fascist restrictions since they are available and then - if and when needed, explicitly relax them"

asciilifeform: that way it is possible to write a piece under 1 set of constraints, and then permit it to run in a larger proggy with looser ones

asciilifeform: diana_coman: aha, i use same method

diana_coman: there is some benefit to even knowing what you need to relax and why

asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a gnat flag that actually gives you all permissible constraints, whether you knew about them or not, that can be then thrown straight into restrict.adc

asciilifeform: but i dun recall from my head; it is in the logs somewhere

diana_coman: I missed that somehow; I'll dig it up

asciilifeform: ( keep in mind that it will give you all the ones that your ~particular~ gnat supports; but nao that we have the makings of a cemented gnat, this is less of a concern )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: https://archive.is/RzmUN#selection-24409.0-24423.146 << found

asciilifeform: diana_coman: re: ToOctets / ToBitstream / etc -- do you know that ada has 'variant records' (similar to ye olde C 'unions' , but with typechecking ) , you could in principle use'em and avoid the conversions, for slightly cleaner proggy

asciilifeform: ( not necessarily worth sweating over given as you already wrote it , but for next time )

diana_coman: I know of variant records but I did not think of them for the conversion really

asciilifeform: not critical imho

asciilifeform: but pointing out for the l0gz, that there's a 'ecologically clean' variant for those.

asciilifeform: ( c 'unions' are sad cuz c dun give you any portable knob for cementing where the bits actually go; ada's records are sane, you can specify the exact location of erry element, paddings, endianisms, bit orders )

asciilifeform: anyway -- minor nitpick.

diana_coman: I think I do suffer from a bit of C-induced anti-unions bias

asciilifeform: diana_coman: rng.adb / Get_Octets -- you'll prolly want a timeout there

asciilifeform: otherwise the result of a dead/unplugged FG is simply halted box

diana_coman: asciilifeform, so far I'd rather have halted box than continuing

asciilifeform: diana_coman: metoo, i had to breathe ada for yrs before working all the c sad out of my follicles

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ideally you want to at least know why halted.

asciilifeform: ( and if because fg -- which? fg )

diana_coman: true; this will have to be addressed at some point with some sane way of handling, yes

asciilifeform: granted i've yet to witness a dead fg. but i dun have a written guarantee from the gods, that they can never die, no

asciilifeform: fwiw i've witnessed the death of usb ports per se.

asciilifeform: in very other noose, found another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867757 , 27.76.232.151 . making for 4 known shitslingers , of this type , on btc net

a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 18:15 asciilifeform: in unrelated minor lulz, discovered yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865517 : 213.148.193.153

asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/31/smg-comms-chapter-5-rsa-with-oaep-from-ada/#selection-155.1206-155.2305 << example of where i'dve used an ada record

asciilifeform: but i'ma stop picking on diana_coman's item for nao

asciilifeform: will note, tho, re fg timeouts -- the most likely waiting-on-fg scenario is starvation, rather than outright hangage , thing shits out 7kB/s per spec, 8 on a good day; i expect it will be the limiting reactant re how many rsa msgs / sec can be produced

asciilifeform: you will want a way to make use of 2+ fg (iirc you already have 2 on ea. machine)

asciilifeform: ( iirc symmetric keys are supplied, per protocol, by client, so not an issue there )

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/mass-apple-idevice-failures-possible-in-helium-rich-environments/ << Qntra - Mass Apple iDevice Failures Possible In Helium Rich Environments

BingoBoingo: ^ Shirley there have to be entertainment applications for this

asciilifeform: lol!!

asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.

asciilifeform: ^ prolly can guess what this is.

BingoBoingo: Less than full actual keyspace?

asciilifeform: noshit

Mocky: lol, so mean!

asciilifeform: it's a matrix of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/serpent/serpent_with_reduction.txt , prepped for gaussian row-reduction ( xor-sat is in p! motherfuckers ) with horiz. axis -- key bitz, vertical -- expansion bits...

asciilifeform: last col. is the constant term of the row.

asciilifeform: for example, 32 lines of the bitmap represent the first 32bit word of the 528-byte inflatolade.

diana_coman: oh huh, asciilifeform's dangerous art

asciilifeform: *top 32

asciilifeform: diana_coman: loox pretty grim, imho

diana_coman: quite

diana_coman: hence the "dangerous" ; perhaps "grim art" even more to the point...

asciilifeform: i expect the gaussation itself could take coupla wks on dulap, once the req'd pieces are cut and glued

asciilifeform: but simply from the pic you can already see, with naked eye , 'floor tiles'

diana_coman: myeah, I was just admiring them

asciilifeform: these , in a hash output, is.. i lack the words

asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... )

diana_coman: well, we'll have at least serpent-tiles for interior design

asciilifeform: lol

diana_coman: it could be an euloran item, what!

diana_coman: lol

asciilifeform: i'm reminded of the chessboards they used to print in sov newspapers. after a good rain.

asciilifeform: it's funny, if only to me -- if author wanted to make the keyspace == 2**256, all he would have had to do is to drop a copy of the 256bit key into the expansion. but i can already picture the fatlogic, 'oh noez, that wouldn't do, will leak key via plaintext cuz not whitened'

asciilifeform: btw if it aint obvious -- the denser the horiz. path across the pic, the ~easier~ it is to find alt-solutions to that line of the expansion (i.e. rearrangements of the input key that yield the same mod-2 summation when multiplied with that row of the matrix )

asciilifeform: so for bit 0 of w, h21 ^ f21 ^ d21 ^ a21 ^ 1 == w0, and if you want that w0 they gotta sum to same thing mod-2 , no matter what. but for the ~last~ bit of W, you have 79 whole slots ! that still only gotta add up to same thing mod-2 ! many more variants .

BingoBoingo: http://mocky.org/Hostile-Work-Environment/ << tyvm for the intel Mocky

diana_coman: lmao, I thought that was qatar's halloween pic!

asciilifeform: hm trinque is Mocky currently in the deedbot rotation ? i missed his last 2 posts apparently

asciilifeform: 'First of all you can’t get power to charge your laptop. Anywhere. Electrical outlets in customer areas: it’s just not done here' << sounds like the ultimate trial for us x60 folk

trinque: sorry for my absence lately, getting over the flu.

trinque: asciilifeform: nope, link?

asciilifeform: trinque: wb. yer in for some pretty lulzy l0gz, imho

asciilifeform: trinque: http://mocky.org/feed.xml loox like

trinque has been following the snake hunt as mental bandwidth permits, will be rereading

trinque: ty

BingoBoingo: <trinque> sorry for my absence lately, getting over the flu. << May you achieve victory soon

trinque: already got it mostly whipped

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trinque: lol, before anybody says anything, somebody previously asked for me to increase the first belch of poasts.

trinque: at any rate, welcome Mocky to the rolls

trinque bbl

asciilifeform also bbl

mod6: holy smokes, welcome to the rolls :D

mod6: Allow me to paste you guise my password.

mircea_popescu: o look, moxybot

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in detritus from asciilifeform's torture room, 'În această lucrare se prezintă o metodă eficientă de implementare a eliminării Gaussiene pentru o matrice de dimensiuni n·m (m≥n), folosind o arhitectură SIMD ce constă dintr-o matrice de n·m procesoare.' (U.P.B. Sci. Bull., Series C, Vol. 71, Iss. 4, 2009)

asciilifeform: ( by a certain mugurel.andreica<at>cs.pub.ro . wonder if spyked et al know the fella )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867992 << most kekful./

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.

asciilifeform: ikr?

mircea_popescu: myeah.

asciilifeform: i still dun know what the actual keyspace is, just yet

asciilifeform: loox like finding answer might add up to costing some penies ( or not, lessee, if dulap dun suffice, i'ma lease some cycles on lulazon cluster )

asciilifeform: my current guess is , north of 64bit, but south of 80

asciilifeform: ( and dollars to doughnuts , can be narrowed substantially using what leaks out into ciphertext, but that's ~entirely~ separate bag of lulz )

mircea_popescu: speaking of mocky, 11-19-20-?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sad item.

asciilifeform: noshit

asciilifeform: sad, but better to learn this nao than after gluing it in eulora, or baking asics, etc

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:41 Mocky: I have more blog posts churning thru the pipeline atm, mostly written for some days now. photo handling jammed up my process

mircea_popescu: certainly before baking anything.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867935 << he;'s got a solid point there.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:46 asciilifeform: if it can't, you can narrow the type and be rid of the implicit 'is-div0?' check

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bigger saddity, is that i dun have anything to offer to plug-in replace 'serpent', nao just as in '16 when mircea_popescu was offering prizes

asciilifeform: ( the prng stuff is even easier to demolish, imho it's not worth anyffing )

mircea_popescu: this is pretty fucking sad.

asciilifeform: i had an automata thing, but found that i could not in good conscience play it for the prize, i never found any approach to a proof that it dun have ( as mircea_popescu called ) 'kek state'

asciilifeform: ( in general asciilifeform eschews wasting folx's time with questionable algos for which there is no approach to fix )

asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'i'ma use turing-complete automaton as hash!' is that ~specifically~ the aspect that makes it seem appealing to begin with, is the very same thing that kills you, it is impossible to prove non-cyclicity

asciilifeform: ( reduces to halting problem )

asciilifeform: there's a quite tall pile of pointlessly murdered trees behind ' asciilifeform never brought us a nice symm cipher ! '

mircea_popescu: in other news, this rapidly deteriorating day (it fucking rained on me at the beach, on TOP of serpent being as tight as hilary's ass) was saved by my ... 404 mn ecu pop in Eulora. very high % valuyable shit, too!

asciilifeform: hey, it remains theoretically possible that asciilifeform somehow is mistaken and the gauss-reduced matrix has unique solution...

asciilifeform: at least until i actually do it and it spews forth the pill eqn.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. transformator for 256b K that produces K1,...Kn that go to equiv. end states )

asciilifeform: only then, imho, can properly pour cement, put the cross on the tomb.

mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000317.html

asciilifeform: ohai mod6

mod6: I should have waited 4 more minutes to send -- no big deal, but the statement ended up in the October bin, instead of November.

mod6: hai asciilifeform

asciilifeform: '0x012: pete_dushenski's [R.07] nodes were found to be dead, and thus removed from the list of Advertised Republican Nodes' << ha

asciilifeform: seems like there's a roughly 6 mo. lifetime for folx who fall into 'man alone', sorta how there is 6 mo. ramp-up for n00bz

asciilifeform: iirc shinohai also started prb approx 6mo after his 'what am i doing here' monologue

asciilifeform: 'jurov moved the Foundation website to the Foundation's server hosted at Pizarro' << confirmed that it worx, a++ btw, ty jurov

mod6: yeah, srsly, thx jurov -- works good for me now too.

mod6: And now I'm not personally hosting the foundation website, so that'll save me some pocket-lint.

mod6: !Xview 1004

auctionbot: Sell order # 1004: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Leading Bid: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (4 hours 59 mins)

mod6: mircea_popescu: Hi Sir, if I win the auction here, how would you like me to settle? Via btc from deedbot-wallet, or via ECU and trade in eulora (this may take a day or so to exchange my BTC into ECU hope this isn't a big deal).

mircea_popescu: either way tbh, i dun care.

mod6: Also, if you need instructions for wire, can re-send ofc.

asciilifeform: mod6: d00d still lists a 'Public Bitcoin Node(s) 158.69.54.79 188.165.209.181' on his www, the latter dun answer on 8333, the former is some chimera, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23#1837433

a111: Logged on 2018-07-23 14:07 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, 158.69.54.79:8333 /therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/ (70001) << wtf ?

mod6: mircea_popescu: ok cool, if you don't mind then, I'll probably just do deedbot wallet since it's a bit quicker for me.

mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the extra info there. I did check the two IPs myself too, no worky. I figure, the man has a -10 from Mr. Popescu, and no longer visits this chamber. Ergo, he's ejected.

asciilifeform: i do sometimes wonder what goes on in the heads, 'hey i hate them nao, mebbe prb is where it's at', wtf

mod6: He can come back here and make his case, should he even have one. Which, by my measure, he does not. But that's up to mircea_popescu.

asciilifeform: i dun see that pete_dushenski has any biznis here. he's where he belongs, with the 'mah fambly' picz, automotive circle-jerks, etc

asciilifeform: e.g. 'I’m just back from a wedding in Calgary. It was a fairly posh affair, if an intimate one befitting the couple’s slightly more mature stage of life. A well-to-do dentist, herself the daughter of an even better-to-do-though-recently-retired dentist, was marrying a charming chap from the Maritimes. It was a slightly exhausting trek with our four-month-old in tow, but in the end so very worth it' etc etc

mod6: Sure.

asciilifeform: 'Kanye West is not Picasso Remember Me: All day, nigga' .

mod6: Speaking of hockey... played in another game. Wasn't nearly as out-of-shape as last time. No goals though, but 2 assists, 7 SOG, 1 Hit.

mod6: Someday, I'd like to get the chance to play in a pick-up game with President Putin.

mod6: Nothing serious, just a friendly game of 4:4 perhaps.

asciilifeform: afaik he only plays with ru ex-pro's. but whoknows, can dream

mod6: ikr; I'm not even close to that level. The guys that I've been playing with are ex-college guys, which, are for sure better than I am.

mod6: Although, I'm surprised that they're not ~that~ much better..

asciilifeform: i dunno how much 'level' buncha 50-60 y.o. d00dz have; but then again i am not aficionado

mod6: Skill goes up the more you practice and play with people whom are better than you are, ofc. For a old-guy pick up game, can fit in even if not as skilled as most, as long as they're not trying too hard.

mod6: If they're going hard, and in good shape, can get rough for d00dz like ole mod6.

asciilifeform: iirc there's a 'sumo' component also

asciilifeform: the heavier folx have advantage

mod6: Well... that kinda depnds. Yes and no.

mod6: If a guy is huge, but can't skate, then maybe he has an advantage as a shitty defensemen -- plopping him in front of the net to keep the crease clear.

mod6: If a guy is huge and can skate well, then more options for versitility.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, it's all a big highschool cafeteria party, and one gets to pick and choose "his way in life" etc. it all follows, from the insane perspective, its own insane logic etc.

asciilifeform quite distant from subj of hockey, saw a grand total of 1 game in whole life, so will leave thread alone rather than emitting lulzhowlers

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but still gotta wonder. rly, srsly, prb ??

mod6: no worries.

asciilifeform: what's the draw.

mircea_popescu: it's what THESE other-goth-kids do. what was the draw originally ?

mircea_popescu: what, you though "man sat, thought" ?

asciilifeform: how exactly does it go. 'hey, mircea_popescu et al. are buncha cannibals, lemme go and find... buncha tards, to handle mah coinz, instead' ?

mod6: yeah, exactly. prb is fake-cheese, for losers. can't hack it with the republic, the false choice is thinking that they have an alternative - a loser one at at that. but there really is no alternative. no matter how much you wish it to be REAL cheese, it is not, and never will be.

asciilifeform: mod6: the days when there was any cheese there, of whatever kind, are long gone

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's literally, "not band practice anymore, now art class". different locker for your shit, but still a) locker and b) some shit. guitars, make-up, whatever. props.

asciilifeform: mod6: afaik 'current' prb is more or less separate net, for all practical purpose

asciilifeform: iguess.

mircea_popescu: the truth is that there's a bunch of reasons people will follow you / come to your house / whatever. and there's this recurrent element of "why can't everyone just get along / this is what we're all doing" sorta thing.

mircea_popescu: there was a prior guy just-like, something-thieves

asciilifeform: i recall

asciilifeform: got stuck in an airport with him, even

asciilifeform: pretty sad case

mircea_popescu: same fundamental problem, "hey man, i just derp here, it's just a gig, it's not my life" issues.

asciilifeform: complete with cucking-wife, even

asciilifeform: somehow they all got 1

mircea_popescu: can\t even say i blame the peterls / peteds/etcs all that much. they're like those fish, found large female blob to attach to, dispensed of organs etc, now she pumps nutrients.

mircea_popescu: genetics propose.

asciilifeform: yrs ago i scoffed at mircea_popescu's model where 'they all got cucking wife', i scoff no moar

asciilifeform: seems like iron law

mircea_popescu: life is hard.

asciilifeform: esp for folx determined to be stupid

mircea_popescu: (i don't blame wife, either. what's she to do, stuck with big child ? nurture, nurture.

mircea_popescu: you recall those cases of calcified foeti, 30+yrs old, from early modern surgery reports ?

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: there's a museum of these, in ru

asciilifeform: earliest specimens date to peter's time

mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty fascinating item

asciilifeform: verily

mircea_popescu: there's also a museum of these in anglolands

mircea_popescu: reddit -something they call it.

asciilifeform: there's a famous specimen with a ficus spike in it, peculiar old-school abortion algo, went septic

mircea_popescu: an altogether rather posh affair

mircea_popescu: i'm sure.

mod6: "Here, lemme jus ram this house-plant in there and see if that does the trick..."

asciilifeform: mod6: sometimes... onion

mod6 boggles

mircea_popescu: amusingly... ethacrydine

asciilifeform: i recall thread aha

mod6 bbl meat

asciilifeform: oh btw re upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867992 , pre-publication draft >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/se42z/?raw=true << cuz we're civilized folx and 'show work'

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.

asciilifeform: diana_coman et al ^

asciilifeform: proggy has 0 dependencies, btw, should run on all known cltrons

asciilifeform: ... even msdos.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for yer lulz collection, saw a chix in some public crowd, with shirt 'the future is female'

mircea_popescu: lmao. that'd be a first.

asciilifeform: shirt? pretty sure i've seen it prior, somewhere

asciilifeform: ( or didja mean -- proggy. it just moves numberz around, wai should it depend on anyffing... )

mircea_popescu: the future being female.

mircea_popescu: never happened before.

asciilifeform: aa

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867988 << can be ; but no, server will sell entropy in this package3.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 18:27 asciilifeform: ( iirc symmetric keys are supplied, per protocol, by client, so not an issue there )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. supplies it in rsa envelope ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868009 << i'm sure "nadia already had it" or how did that dork put it

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:41 asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809324

a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:09 zx2c4: why does the government have an interest in me hearing about nadia's work rather than your work?

mircea_popescu: i dunno dorky... why does it ?!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. ( tho 'nadia' will prolly have to wait for asciilifeform to do it, before 'nadia did it' , like the prev time )

mircea_popescu: that's ok, because while nadia waits the future is female, and once "nadia's done waiting" then it ALWAYS HAD IT.

mircea_popescu: because to the female hindbrain, past, also female.

asciilifeform: approx

mircea_popescu: in fact, everything but the dog pissing their dreams into magic smoke, is female.

mircea_popescu: adn the dog's a psychopath.

asciilifeform: i'm almost curious nao, just which nadia will be getting professorship from 'discovering' the serpent lul.

asciilifeform: ( at one point asciilifeform sat in a peanut gallery in the godforsaken heathen pit where 50+ 'nadias' sat in committee, can prolly even make a guess as to likelies )

mircea_popescu: and we'll show THIS discussion to the jwz/zx2c4/randomoron of the future, too, and he'll be "umm...i dunno... http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#selection-1567.0-1567.61 etc.

asciilifeform: nah he'll have ready pocket answer, 'hey, nadia did it in 2013' etc

asciilifeform: 'where's the sores'

asciilifeform: 'on shithub, here'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sure whichever http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 gets the birdshit will have amply deserved it.

a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!

mircea_popescu: in other news, the immensity of republican priviledge, you know ? here we sit and, with-subject-and-predicate, piss downwards on the entirety of academia, like so much midly retarded children playdo "art".

asciilifeform: btw is ubb same thing as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868059 ?

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:04 asciilifeform: ( by a certain mugurel.andreica<at>cs.pub.ro . wonder if spyked et al know the fella )

mircea_popescu: a little boy rubs a found bottle, and asks the genie coming out... what ? what can you ask ?

asciilifeform: there's a lulzy sov-era comedic tale about this

asciilifeform: kiddo tries to teach genie to be a good sov citizen

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ubb = universitatea babes bolyay. cluj item. old man andreica's son was at teh politechnic. diff school.

asciilifeform: aa

mircea_popescu: and yes, personally knew father. sorta like that other google guy.

asciilifeform: sounds like it oughta be in hungary tho

mircea_popescu: father -- famously competent math guy.

asciilifeform: why is bolyai uni. in ro ?!

mircea_popescu: you don't understand that city.

mircea_popescu: most of hungarian culture is the result of cluj people. when i say transylvania is the larger part of two adjacent countries i kid you not, it's true.

asciilifeform: i'ma guess it's in the cool-stuff landz, that were hungarian pre-war

mircea_popescu: exactly.

asciilifeform: ( personally witnesses timis vs bucharest, bucharest is worth 'what pig could shit' in comparison )

mircea_popescu: timis is (or rather, was) the larger part of serbja keks.

asciilifeform sings, 'tamo daleko...'

asciilifeform: how come we aint got a serbia Mocky btw.

asciilifeform: has it sunk into europiphate / natostan yet ?

mircea_popescu: kinda meh.

mircea_popescu: besides, what's a mocky needed for, i got a corp and everytrhing right there

asciilifeform: if not needed, then not needed, whoami to say.

asciilifeform: all i got is a map , on which serbia not coloured reich black yet, but possibly simple omission.

mircea_popescu: they don't got the guts to qatar/burma anymore, that's for damn sure.

asciilifeform: orig clinton decocked'em, eh.

asciilifeform: ( as i understand, was also a shit-test of eltsin, who 'passed', didn't so much as fart )

asciilifeform bbl,meat

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868021 << sounds like fucking romania.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 21:16 asciilifeform: 'First of all you can’t get power to charge your laptop. Anywhere. Electrical outlets in customer areas: it’s just not done here' << sounds like the ultimate trial for us x60 folk

asciilifeform: lappy that sits plugged in mains socket for 8h while owner sleeps and then good for day or 2, is imho possible; just gotta ditch x86..

asciilifeform: the 'clothes iron cpu' is a ridiculous thing. esp in lappy

asciilifeform: half a bil transistors, and 400mil of'em so that winblowz can boot..

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2018 Report

mircea_popescu: "Its not that everything closes, or even that most things close. Just wherever you are going will be closed." << fucking orcistans, all alike.

mircea_popescu: Mocky pedistrian. << pede.

mod6: !Xview 1004

auctionbot: Sell order # 1004: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Leading Bid: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (1 hours 18 mins)

mod6: Ah dang it. It ok if we just settle up tomorrow then? /me needs some zzz's.

mircea_popescu: np

mod6: Ok thanks! We'll catch back up tomorrow for sure.