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(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: btw, did you give a different presentation on the 2nd day or how was that split?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can't say if that's again one of those poisoned results of relative abundance/comfort generally or what exactly but it's certainly not helping you any.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: one thing that sticks out though (and esp with how you approached this conference thing) is that you seem to be surprisingly unconcerned with making the most of resources around in general, not only time really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: lol, worse (or better really from my pov!) than a cache miss; but yeah, it will have to wait.
(ossasepia) diana_coman is thinking how to structure all that goes in there so that there's some clear entry point and path; this part is not one I needed to structure so far so hm, might take a while.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and otherwise it's again about how you set yourself up really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: indeed; as long as you choose your mountains well to start with, that's the main trick.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ~all mountains are taller than they seem at first.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, do you mean that difficult stuff kills your curiosity or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as with everything else related to yourself, it also starts with actually looking at what and how it currently does (not) work for you, exactly; so take an example of something where you started curious/interested and then it ..vanished - where/why/when
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the core of it would be more... systematic curiosity, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman curses not being able to find a ref that was exactly on this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the way you describe it there, it really sounds more like "whims" although I wouldn't have said those fit you very well otherwise/generally.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: of a better quality & substance, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that sounds like you need to develop a healthier curiosity, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-15#1018432 - the way it looks from here is that you ~never quite consider that at all really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: also, what's wrong with/why don't you purposefully maximize benefits of any work you do?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: not to mention that management is by definition stuck with doing what works, so dunno, maybe you'd rather make sure there's something *other than pressure* that... works, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not a healthy thing (although it can even feel good in an unsustainable way, sure).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if there's no "why" then it means it's "for no good reason" and so -> ignore it already; note also that if you ~always get to work only if/when under pressure, then the logical result is that you'll end up ~always under pressure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the trouble with all this "holding back" is that it has some significant costs that *also* accumulate, even if it might not seem so in the moment; for one obvious thing, the way the work on the presentations went was quite bureaucratic in manner - you'll end up taking whatever time is available but not really making the most of it; and fwiw the wallet work seems to follow the same pattern.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and sign vpatches, too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-14#1018408 - tsk; jfw, add simply the question(s) they never asked themselves properly before spewing the common nonsense; in this case: why do you want to increase mass adoption? (and then from there on, until they run into whatever walls they choose, sure).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-14#1018404 - it sounds like a good time to reassess those shortcut keys or whatevers but if they are indeed the best, then ofc just set them on the new computer too, why wouldn't you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, makes sense actually; and good technical manuals! /me recalls the horror of French tech texts, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the other major reason being possibly the lack of swearing depths, as spyked's latest article helpfully reminds us!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: thanks! I recall I read at some point something quite sensible by Northrop Frye if memory serves but I never properly reviewed him so I can't say if I was just lucky or what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: do you know perhaps of any good refs in English for literary theory and criticism? While I ended up recommending simply Aristotle's Poetics, perhaps there is something in the English space too that I'm just not aware of?
(ossasepia) diana_coman goes to see about lunch
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you're welcome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the rest seems ok at this pass at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: any questions /anything else atm?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: does mean* (instead of does matter above)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (that is not to say necessarily what they imagine you should say or other such nonsense but it *does* matter what they *should* care about because it is important to what they do/where they are/etc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: exactly! since you are talking *to* them, please, always and forever *to people*, not *at people" so yes, what matters to them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion you'll have to tell me one day just why couldn't you come with those slides yesterday at 7pm UTC for instance but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter to dorion when he wakes up I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: does the above make full sense to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and b. through that link you can gain for them too more support /different opportunities when/if needed, that's the point.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and *that* is important to your audience because a. they are at that specific event precisely on the "oh, not public" - so hit them with the fact that you 2 are the *direct link* to an even more selective "not public" in that way, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and re 2019, the point there is that now that you have a fully working solution that *has been already deployed* (because you did, that's your pilot set!), you *also* have gained *access* to and support from the WoT that matters
(ossasepia) diana_coman: they are not buying just a course made like all the rest out of reading "the literature" and 10 slides, ffs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie you already have *years* of practical experience that you are packaging in your offer there!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it's not the founding that matters, nor the beginning of publishing; what matters is: been working *since 2016* to develop, revise, review, tune and *apply* the working solution!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: look at it, you focus on founded in 2016 and then began publishing in late 2019 without telling people what really *matters*...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why are you selling yourself so short there with that slide 14, ouf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: literally, you are there to help them not be the turkey, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the HOW that solution works is through a tailored (by JWRD computing) computing environment that *you can and will* customise to meet clients' specific needs and for which you provide full support including but not even limited to in-depth training etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what you provide is a working solution to exclude a LOT of the existing risks that are not in fact *mandatory* and otherwise to mitigate and keep under direct control those risks that still have to be taken.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I know what you mean and why you say it and all that but your clients will hear only the "relatively" and tune out because wtf solution is that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: "We provide qualified individuals a relatively sane," - awww, do not say that
(ossasepia) diana_coman is still going through version 2
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: re risks if you have at hand concrete examples work best, ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ah, re taleb my point was really about the slide with his pic + book, not necessarily to take out the whole point; the thing is, version 1 looked like you were advertising taleb's book tbh, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically to make them properly afraid of their own ignorance (as it's healthy really) and then able to see how you can indeed help.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes, the main point is good as stated; the tricky part as usual is to find the best way to fully get it across esp to a ...innocent audience.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: glad to hear it made it in time, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so your task there is "schedule AC apptm" or whatever, not "fix AC"; just use the words properly and help yourself already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-13#1018321 - maybe simply write down/think of the actual task that *you* need to do as opposed to someone else; tbh you do phrase it rather weirdly in that it's never quite fully clear that you'll do ~0 re the AC as such - what you mean to do there is simply to get someone else to do the work, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion I hope you'll get to re-use (and refine, sure) those presentations some more at whatever events in there, esp seeing how in the end they took almost a full week to prepare, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hope you get better soon
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, you are the cto there for all intents and purposes, own it already; dorion, you are the ceo there idem for all intents and purposes and what's the trouble with it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion also, please, do write your JWRD credentials on the title slide, why in the world don't you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and circling back to it at the end is not a problem i.e. now after all this, you have also some idea as to *why* that is so, eh?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the a. part can be in this case essentially a juicier bait to make them really pay attention (and tbh I think your quote from MP's http://trilema.com/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging ) is possibly better in the beginning - even more so if they do *not* know it/MP because it's new so it has some "interestingness" just in that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: one approach (linked to that reading of stuff 3 times to fully get it) is a. tell them what you'll say b. say it c. tell them what you said
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also, I get that your slides follow the flow of what you are trying to say but understand that presentations are not exactly like articles in that the audience can't just go back and forth as they want/need so you need to do the crucial bit of that for them so they get most of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion as much as I like Taleb's books and writings in general, his message there is supporting what you say but not your main message so that first slide (after title one) is just not fitting at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh I fail to see how exactly would you end up with a lot of dns lookup needs if you keep indeed that computer clean but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so see man dig
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm; possibly dig I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what do you mean by manual DNS? you can always simply ping on toilet box to get the IP and then add that to the hosts file if you want it on your computer; or what do you mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: btw, re yesterday's eod - you should *also* note what you need to reinforce/do more of so that the good part repeats / becomes usual rather than extraordinary.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re no path from A to B - that means you needed to start today with another iteration on the outline essentially - you need to have *some idea* as to *what path* you mean between A and B, yes; so myeah, no article today and/or tomorrow, but 1. see if you need to change perspective/approach/what and/or what research to do in order to have something to say 2. fix/iterate on the outline until it is a useful one.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: tsk@regrets; no regrets! lolz; if you don't have much interesting to say there, then and therefore you should find out more about the topic - aka go and get something interesting to say there but indeed, it won't come out of nowhere; you can always try to look at it from a different perspective - one that you know more about and therefore you have more to say about but you can't just dump it because difficult basically, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: in what way is the outlining poor/letting you down?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: come to think of it, you could equally go for something like Monsters of the Bitcoin Depths or something, kind of depends on the tone you are aiming for and what you know of your audience.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: schedule shift can happen like that, not a problem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, the anchors should do well.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rather: against the *last* thing; towards the "latest" thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: thing with the young minds - when young but on their own so teens rather than 7yo - is that they'll naturally swing against the latest thing so not necessarily "won't spark interest"; depends which young you talk about really, it's a matter of place & time, not of "young".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ahaha, that sounds like you'd enjoy writing an article on it really; (and the resulting article sounds like a fun read at the very least).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yeah, I'll stick to Aristotle, thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: in other sads, I can offer as small match to your found masterpiece there, this bit here: "25th Anniversary Edition of Terry Eagleton's classic introduction to literary theory First published in 1983, and revised in 1996 to include material on developments in feminist and cultural theory"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: and do keep up posting those updates for the day as comments, just every day; if anything, probably even more so when feeling down - you might find out in response that there isn't anything to feel down about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: aha; and seriously, not the case to be down at all there, don't be silly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: usually that line goes with "it's the enemy", they don't have that much sophistication.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that sounds like it will pay off by itself anyway; and you still have enough time for the pressing presentation so it works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: poor, poor words.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I guess I see your point. It's painful to read no matter where I try to excavate even a single sentence.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I am? there might be some peanut gallery I'm not following there, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: a lot of potential fun/laughter*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ah, this CO2 madness is now in full swing indeed; I have to look *very* carefully even at books for small kids
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you know, I don't mind it if you call it "pleasure reading" but it makes for a lot esp in your context there, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I suppose you can even avoid the "we" if you are iffy about it as such, and just state tmsr uses musl intensively (eg x,y,z with links) etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: awww, poor ericbot now is surely out of sync, sorry.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so give rotor link too, sure; you don't even need to give the names for any of it, just say gales (link), rotor (link) and they can follow and see what we etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you don't need to give them a full lecture on ~everything just to state your point.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you set the links in place and let them ask/figure out/remain stupid, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: starting with your gales (and the we there is you and dorion ), then e.g. ave1's work
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so give concrete examples and links and that will clarify the "we" implicitly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: aha; still, glad to hear you enjoyed the thread anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I was even thinking you might add to/enjoy it but ...you have a presentation to make!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: we had physics classes in the biology lab and biology classes in the chemistry lab and it didn't make any difference since neither actually used any lab material even when they matched (it happened at times!) the topic with the lab, so...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'd say make best use of provided environment!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, it can make for ...explosive illustrations of logical errors!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: but for that matter, can you help re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-10#1018197 perhaps?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lmao re circle; schools in RO still had those fixed 2-people benches so no chance of any circles, arcs and other such things, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, he had a point!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: was odysseus a good commie too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but seriously, that's "social indoctrination class, 1.0.1",what literature.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: poor blackboard.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yeah, put it at the top and see how it goes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: myeah, but that still sounds so pedestrian essentially that you end up precisely with the sort of thing you wrote in that article of yours.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: otoh I guess you really can't go wrong reading Aristotle's Poetics
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: maybe you know ^ ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: by the sounds of it you should probably read up first on some literary theory and criticism but now ofc figuring out good English refs for it is a different matter.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so what did you get out of those good classes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, I never really thought my highschool literature classes were any good (mainly because I was in heavy-CS class so kind of the weird one interested in literature too + fewer hours) but by comparison, I start to appreciate it more, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: neah, they'll get directly some shortened version; after all iirc they already did some "cleaned up" Twain and similar horrors.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no,no, I meant at home, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and uhm, that reading to a certain paragraph - does that mean they did NOT expect each kid to read the whole book??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, uhm, that was primary to make sure everyone CAN read (7yo to 11yo) and at most one more year afterwards (for reading with proper intonation etc).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: meant: or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so the class consisted in ...reading in group? what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but come to think of it, writing "own biography and memoir" in highschool, good god.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ah, the fiction is that memoirs and biographies are non-fiction! I see; lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I'd say presentation gets higher priority for now so focus on that, even if you skip one day of blog; what you don't want is to end up doing the presentation on Wed for Thu; but do make sure you use the time effectively, the higher priority doesn't mean "can therefore drag feet longer on it", ahem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: creative... non-fiction? I'm almost afraid to ask what that is, lol; what is it supposed to be?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: basically: what did a usual assignment ask for? what discussion/what else was done in class? what do you consider/think you got from it all, if anything?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion how's it going with those presentations?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (or whatever it's called, I don't even know the name used).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: my question was more re *how* did you read them aka what does "literature class" mean in the US?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: beyond concrete meaning, the part to which you gave at least the impression of blindness is essentially the wider context (and as a consequence what and why and when is appropriate since yeah, that's what context does); hence my question above, trying to figure out what you are used to as approach and what you know of it anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have no idea what/how does US school do that (though I DO hope it...does have such lessons, huh)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what sort of thing did you do in school re literature anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha! but yes, Voltaire's Candide sounds good; just you know, for starters, be a bit more cautious esp when reading classics ie you don't know what you don't know and they are... how to put this, way older than you and still read for some reasons, you know?
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see it.
(trilema) diana_coman shall have to review von moltke
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sure re karstic hills; to my mind redundancy does something though (that is not to say it *guarantees* anything, of course, nor that it's any guarantees that are to be sought anyway).
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: in 2 words, easily gone; only yest freenode was in full blown idiocy with all those parts, not like it can't decide one day to further idiocy.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that is true re basic tools, certainly; it strikes me that we are for all intent and purpose "gathering" here in the forum, no? sure, presumably the blogs can work too as alternative (they did or at least trilema did when needed) but still.
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, brings the current failure to move off freenode (and still no gossipd either) into focus really.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, perhaps I can see the "retreat" as that ie why not cooperate with the rest so that maybe one does x and another y and so on; rather than each tarabostes-style; but otherwise, I don't think there was much *else* to do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1018133 - myeah, do that; lobbes , you asked for this standing meeting, don't you want/need it anymore or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I should rather be grateful that they are dead and so don't get to see indeed how it is there, really.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean it's not the effect of the Dark ages but the cause? I don't quite see it tbh.
(trilema) diana_coman: and what truly gets me is this memory (that doesn't even seem to be just mine alone/specific to me) of that great-grandfather who hung on to life just to get to ask the guy coming back from the first trip to the US "how is it there,really?"
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, version 2.0 revised and updated, quite so.
(trilema) diana_coman: but apparently they are not at this stage yet/too much fat still to get there or dunno.
(trilema) diana_coman: I got the other part - which in hindsight proved good training at least - ie if you want something, you gotta do it yourself or forget about it!!
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well, only earlier this morning it dawned on me that yesterday's idiot would have been quite at place at a party meeting so yeah.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah, seriously, why does ChanServ not like you, ave1 ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: come to think of it, that would even fit both there too, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1018139 - I could see it as BingoBoingo says, "both", but tbh I still think it's just misplaced dedication&investment really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: more importantly is whether it was time well spent, you know? how about you switch a bit those EOD to note each day something that went well and why, something that didn't go well and why, a (be it small) change you'll make going forward to increase the "went well" parts and decrease the others?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: why is it *urgency* that you are looking for?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, they are very good at pretense otherwise so they can ...pretend they haven't found anything, right? what is this, half-assed pretense only?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for any newcomers and log readers: please register first a key with deedbot (see the guide: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup) as otherwise it's unlikely you'll get voiced in here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: we are back to manual voice until we have the civilised automated wot-based voice; if anyone finds themselves without voice in here, pm me please.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, they *did live* somehow until they found me, right? so... it's possible!
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, I know; I admit that one hand I really didn't believe anyone was so dedicated to my chan and on the other hand I also did not quite grok the extent of disconnect that people can somehow live with.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, so I'll do just that, thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: #ossasepia got so famous and loved that I have dedicated idiots wasting time and space so I really need it; spring is almost here, so will it get done?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: any chance of having the voice model in #ossasepia?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: mk; until the voice model is in, ignore will have to do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: i-will-answer-al: so come when you have the link to that article where you indeed answer the questions.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess that voice model is just a must
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I wonder why all this love.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: akick #ossasepia ADD *!*@2a03:1b20:9:f011::a02d
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nothing to do with any boots.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I will not accept contributions from randos who don't want to be people, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: deflect0r: do you get out now or should I kick you again?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: any chance of having that voice model for #ossasepia any time soon?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the logs: indeed, if you come bent on "collaborating with code", save your time and mine and go somewhere else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and he pretends in the same breath he understands what the wot is and how it works; how can people get this autistic, I don't get it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "collaborate with code" good god.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but clearly wasting my time with you so I'll ban and ignore you, that's fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: nope.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: so you do not understand anything still.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: to address your latest nonsense http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1018084 - nobody is supressing innovation; you however are in no position to "innovate" anything and you clearly don't even understand why and how.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: as this nick you have no key registered that I can see, so no, you are not in the wot.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: note that as d41r you are in the wot indeed and you have negratings; since you know what the wot is and how those work, you surely know how and why and where that matters.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: nope, it's not just "an opinion" and "here, I have mine and is just as good as yours" because reasons etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: instead of addressing what I said, you jumped sideways on something else that is more convenient.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: do you see how you just deflected?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it won't work and it doesn't wash and for a ton of reasons that I keep explicitly pointing to you but you still don't want to see because they are not what you want.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: look here, I get it: you want to do only what you want, namely to use trb code as if it were in a vacuum.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz, are they a club now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: you don't; because you can't "be here" without being part of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you consider that simply coming here is what it means to "go to #ossasepia first" so that shows directly that you either haven't read younghands.club at all or haven't understood anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to just pick an example.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: you are here without a key now so that shows ~0 understanding of at least the 2 links on what the wot is and how it works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: for some reason I thought he actually said something explicitly; meanwhile I saw his comment so I guess that's his statement - he can't pass on such an opportunity to consider himself terribly important with no work at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, so what sort of understood is that ...guess?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: did you read and understood any of the links people offered you so far?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: you have your homework; until and unless you do it, you don't have any right to ask questions and state nonsense in my chan; go and do it in your chan or someone else's, there's no problem (since you think it's just a space like that anyway)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: unlike yours, mine has way more behind it and for that reason it matters.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: go through the logs and pick all the questions and answer them; start a blog, it makes a great article.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: then go back and do the homework you got.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is a resource and you are wasting it; it is my resource too so I'll kick you out and make sure you stay out until you actually want to learn.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: no; this is a learning place and you refuse to learn because you consider your feelings and views matter like that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your feelings are not facts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: will you answer them? before you ask anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: everything that doesn't fit your expectation; you have plenty of questions you haven't answered - that means you ignored them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: stating "I'm not ignoring" is not the same as not ignoring; and you are ignoring, have been ignoring and continue to ignore; so get out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: go and wonder.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you wonder why you get kicked and banned?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: do you realise you are coming to my chan and then spew at me nonsense?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it boggles the mind how can one think he's fine to ignore others but they will not ignore him.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: neah, it's fine to have only the text in the log really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yeah, I know; I was just suddenly aware that I might need to resync the log and that's really not a pleasure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, in fairness, we are still on #freenode so I guess we deserve all the shit, clearly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: they can't be accused of not saying it, I see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: is that whole shinohai drama a secret or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: it's a waste of time and space at best; and no, this space here and people's time (because the log is read by people) are not for free for you to come and "ask questions" autistically.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz, no, quite on the contrary.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: why/what makes you think then that you can just walk in and keep talking about your suppositions and the like while ignoring/avoiding what doesn't fit with your expectations/requires some change from you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: who knew it's so hard to even answer a question as stated, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: that avoids my question.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: let me ask a simpler question then: do you imagine that people in here have some sort of obligation to listen to what you say just because you are polite?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r, kindly tell me something: are you under some impression that this chan here really can't be made off limits to someone?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: seeing everything else as something like what you are is a common but rather debilitating condition really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: note that you again just deflected and failed to learn anything and so you are going the very same way of d41r for all the pretense you are NOTd41r ; it won't be long before you arrive in the same place too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: so go there then, good luck.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and it's not a definition at all; see the definition of what a definition is
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: that doesn't make any sense to me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: what does "retro-maximalism" mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: NOTd41r: what does "retro-maximalism"?
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