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(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: heh, you might be...surprised.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: presumably your prospect knew of that already but is still looking for the group-thing on top?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you know, that's the poorest approach,lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and you don't need to get the "help the others thing" anyway, it's possibly way easier for you to just have alternative/additional tasks for the faster ones; it's probably not that hard for you to even make them on the spot I'd think and it doesn't have to show as "not in the program" otherwise -it's just "more practice"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I mean: you are there the anti-chaos anyway and supposedly they won't start throwing paper balls behind your back, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: eh, how do you manage to make chaos out of 3 adults? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion since you are looking at this now anyway, might as well look at it fully so do the maths for groups of 3 as above; and at the very least with larger groups (dunno, 8-10?) but more classroom style.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: re group of 3, dunno, put them in a circle so you can see all their screens and then work them through the same stuff with whatever inevitable delays might come from your 3-ways multitasking, pretty much.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-03#1019950 - this is why I asked if this is something you'll likely get a lot more of - basically if it's worth it and not ending up doing it just for this prospect.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, the 3-4 range sounds like the worst for you really - not big enough to move it to "classroom style" but too big to keep it the same and gain from it, ugh; jfw would what you currently have work for a group of 3 (just you though, no helper)? maybe with a few extra lessons at most?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: btw, re discounts, one annoying-but-it-works approach is to basically have baked in the price a % you can graciously "discount" - some people can't take it if it's not discounted; this can ofc backfire if you do it to people who don't have that sort of must-discount shitty approach but actually do a valuation but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: also, do you plan to/is it likely to target organisations large enough to have /want groups?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do you have any idea what the size of the group would be /this prospect is thinking of?
(ossasepia) diana_coman remembers the full lesson plans + detailed objectives and whatnots and shudders (though still FULLY remembers the darned content so yeah, it works)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... this clear too and as a downside ie sure, they'll get a discount but also less support
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: to be fully clear re structure and all that - at one extreme you can certainly go full blown lesson plan and preparation; at the other extreme you can have a loose outline of topics you follow and then take them through it and/or adjust as they go; I doubt either extreme is what you need, so somewhere in between but for a group I'd say you do need to have a clear structure and you can't adjust as much - you should probably make ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I doubt that's what is had in mind for group either, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie you still do it one on 2 max but yeah, both of you at the same time sort of thing , so that's not going to be any less effort or time for you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you say with a helper for 3-4, that just means 2 lessons in the same room, heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I don't even know how much/what structure you have for the lessons, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... same thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: from what I gathered your usual lesson is quite practical; the trouble with a group (beyond the obvious less closer supervision/direction of the learner) is the potential differences in speed & approaches; if you plan to target relatively large organisations, I'd say it's likely you'll get group-training requests anyway so it's possibly worth to plan it and have it part of your offer anyway but it is indeed not exactly just the ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: would your training even work directly for a group? how big/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ok, so your first thing to figure out with jfw is whether you want to offer group training as well and in what exact format/what does that mean for you; only from there you can decide on discount anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... started on them *somehow*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: listen, on some parts the clarity will come from/with practice; if you *are* going to do that rather than flail afterwards because "not clear", you can just add what I pointed above that is missing and consider it done for now; my point re lack of clarity in parts is to be addressed by a. looking at why, namely is this because not yet started on it or because not really thought it through b. make sure you will get ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: can you comment on 1,2,3 as to what's correct, what not?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so let me try and figure out what you have there exactly as it's still unclear to me so far; 1. your standard offer is explicitly one to one training 2. you have referral program that means precisely that the referred people pay the standard rate and the one who referred them gets 15% of that 3. you have a prospect who is asking for what discounts are available for group training
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the rest seems to pass at this stage; there's still a lot of unclarity as to "what do" exactly and that's potentially troublesome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: why is automation apparently only for the blogs part?
(ossasepia) diana_coman is still going through BingoBoingo's draft
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it doesn't have to start with a full blown whatever,but you need to build up your reporters basically, the way I see it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: at venues - I really strongly suggest you start thinking and planning your own meetups as such really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so what's your setup for referral? (I don't recall it, if you wrote it already just give the link)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ahaha, so how's that less time though still some extra time? it's quite important to weigh that properly; (and from my tutoring experience, there's further a max limit you'd probably want on any group numbers because it matters)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: at readership growth, do add positives too; while fights might attract more people, you can't rule out positive reporting (as in reporting of what happened well and as it should be, even if they are within tmsr, what) *also* attracting people, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re group rates as such - does it being a group otherwise make it any cheaper/easier for you? (ie is there any reducing of your expenses - time included - if "group") or what? because the way I understood it, you are doing one to one anyway so I don't know if "group" means at least less of your time spent on it or what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so presumably you already have those set or what am I not getting there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what that prospect suggests falls under your referal rates though, doesn't it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: excellent eta.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: or you can write on how you avoid writing :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: when's your current eta for that feb tmsr-os report to be done and out of the way? because yes, medicine and all that, but the sooner out, the more time to get through the backlog anyway so the better for next month at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: basically you need some itching powder for the writing process, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yes; still, context matters too, even for amount and type of presentation, that was my point.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so I'll stop commenting on those bare minimum and below wordy soups you can easily produce, as it's just a waste of time anyway; start actually doing the work properly and I might look at it again; preferably you start that some time before I get around to do a full review of this yh project too as by that time I'll certainly cut it short and be done with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... when I point it out to you with a helping question, you answer *that* only without fixing anything at all; and on and on this goes - you'll say the right thing because yes, you are not stupid at all; you'll then still not DO the actual thing anywhere beyond its surface because way too much work and it's enough if it *seems* like it, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: look here, I already specifically and explicitly asked you to stop doing the bare minimum and properly use those questions for the tools they are; as a result, you did what manages to be even below the bare possible minimum given the questions; and ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: can be, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: funnily enough, I find that I really use fewer and fewer things and even so - I'd much rather use ..fewer; lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it will force by necessity a review of that list and in itself that's not a bad thing at all anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, the *idea* of ledger looked fine and proper to me, hence the attempt; the reality ofc fucked the idea in the head with everything it got so yeah, practically my old, old <100lines of bash still work fine but anyways, since you use it and like it and so on, there's no point to not genesising them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (most probably "old versions" etc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, tbh even if I went past the above, the practical test failed miserably because it not only wanted all sorts I did not have, but even after installing those (yeah, boost, cmake etc), it still failed and by that time I really had ran out of patience, time and all that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and further horses speaking: "has had 6,397 commits made by 171 contributors representing 46,976 lines of code"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let me cite for logs & the innocent from the the horse's mouth: "Over the last twelve months, Ledger has seen a substantial increase in activity. This may be a sign that interest in this project is rising, and that the open source community has embraced this project."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw dorion re clock & ledger - did you genesis them both properly then? because esp the ledger thing, when I just had a look at it earlier today, it's a monster; perhaps you still have at least some less-of-a-monstrosity version?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: eh, he doesn't need to sell himself to tmsr now, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion do I take it you actually use that clock and ledger?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: if I end up asking you a question about the point of the previous question that was on why an even earlier question was needed, I'll just as soon go get my key and negrate, save some time; seriously now, do you want to *do* something or do you enjoy my conversation only?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: lolz, the contemplating rabbits' den.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: lmao, tone it DOWN, man; expression if nothing else!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: hm, might need some trumpets too for proper presentation! but lacking trumpets - can haz link at least?
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: answered but it's in modq
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and with being used comes the fact that you have no real say in the exact "how"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re Google maps and similar - it can't *make* you anything you are not, lolz; but moreover, it's not only the dependency as such but the fact that every time you are "using" something you don't understand, you are in fact more being used than using anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman cheers on a very active Qntra; and thanks to jfw too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ah, time has no real value in latin lands, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958744 - it's for you and he has a strong point too, that's how it usually goes indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sounds indeed like you have anyway better stories to write from the online really.
(trilema) diana_coman: the above is re the v.sh script .
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: I'll have to check closer what's going wrong with the script on my machine as there seems to be some weird going on, possibly at output rather than anything deeper.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: thank you and no worries at all; I hope I didn't come across as not wanting to visit either, it's more the 12+ hours travel one way that gives me pause.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: noted.
(trilema) diana_coman: I honestly have no idea; I did obtain finally all the possible passports though so at least I *can* go anywhere.
(trilema) diana_coman: hah, it's 2 years ago already, what last year.
(trilema) diana_coman realises she did not take a pic of the steak!
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: the ref for the select mechanism is mp_en_viaje's link above aka the article on trilema really; not a vpatch as such afaik.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: if trinque means indeed that aka the selection mechanism,that is anyway not going to be in the tree since it requires a change to the *theme*'s file, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: but I am not sure I follow what you say there - what do you mean by quoting? the select?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: billymg works on mpwp and hosts the full tree afaik.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter the above is likely to be useful for everyone.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahahah, not that far away at times, no.
(trilema) diana_coman thinking re theoretical to the practical.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha, it's usually around 7pm UTC for that so no, not yet, heh.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, zamo? no idea, kind of drifted away and "too busy" etc so not exactly surprising.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha, ce vrei si tu de la 2010.
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, found it! though the bit is in a comment, the topic fits anyway, I'd say.
(trilema) diana_coman can't find ofc the article on own blog though I think I did write it.
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, that reminds me of a "work of art" that answered the q of why is Italy shaped like a boot: because that much shit would never fit in a shoe!
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah; I thought it was Italy the trouble now!
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: neah; well, it made for less interesting "pm's questions" show on wednesdays, that's about it all.
(trilema) diana_coman: re flu it's all right, I'm sure there's plenty of advice and "we'll take care of it" everywhere, except I never quite bother to look and it didn't seem to make any difference
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, with the 1st of Feb, yes; as the silent poison said the circus is still on though.
(trilema) diana_coman: I think that'd be too much work!
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, all right then.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the lanky blonde whores don't seem to be native to cr, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I recall reading the mention + there was surely something in one of your stories but no handle for search comes to mind right now.
(trilema) diana_coman: cr is unlikely to have those from what I saw.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it takes hard work to get dumb, so ...proud of all the effort!
(trilema) diana_coman: sadly, I quite know, myeah
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-29#1958594 - ahaha, this sounds so much ~Apoi drumeţul se întoarse acasă şi petrecu lângă ai săi, pe cari-i socoti mai cu duh decât pe cei ce văzuse în călătoria sa.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: on the bright side, I ~never worry; on the funny side, that explanation is unlikely to be believed anyway (~everyone "has a car/house/amazing stuff that is just ...not available)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: lolz, discovering the hidden treasures in one's own car - after "owning" it supposedly for a few weeks already! Given this - are you sure you know what your own house contains?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: btw, do you find the ack-of-having-debts as already paying them or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahahah, that google cache must be the "compartment somewhere", now it all fits!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, as a lady passenger at times, I can certify to whaack that the demonstration of no-clue at such times is *also* extremely impressive in its own special way!
(ossasepia) diana_coman at least laughed, headache and all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's ok, those chunks of text might be in a compartment somewhere!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you know, I *did* want to ask you if you at least know what to do if you get a flat tire at some point, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: such a thing should be in there or I'd expect it to be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: did you get the car's manual when you bought it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I hope you did/do get a camera for the trip at least, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, it would totally make a great cartoon for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's the next episode in the My Friendly Mechanic series?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: stick to* ; apparently I have a surplus of oo lately
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: certainly; pretty much everyone's problem apparently but still no other way around this - either you really allocate your time purposefully on what IS the highest priority for whatever goals you have (and this does imply you have clear goals and clear plans and all that, yes) or you'll just flail about and find deadlines impossible to stick too and wonder why everything is late and not advancing and so on and so forth.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yes, you are the last resort writer there currently, no way around it; the solution is to make sure the last resort gets activated less often, but not to just not step up to it when/if needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yes but specifically what are you going to do? and moreover, you've got now to see that there is this sort of potential situation - and it's a *good* one ie kuddos to jfw for the lead there! - so don't ignore it/sleep on it because it's not *yet* biting you hard enough or something; plan ahead so it does NOT end up biting you harder.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: did that older possible story fade entirely given the great handling ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lol, that is any way better but the question was re previous non-approach
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: anyways, so what do you plan to do with that topic now?
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: myeah, stop this flinging-will-it-stick thing; it's not a useful approach to ~anything really.
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: did you ever have someone *asking* for a topic? I honestly can't see how you reasoned there and from outside it simply looks like "that was the easiest way out", simply.
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: you know, that would be something to consider only when/if you have already a large set of contributors fighting for your attention and space in qntra or something but not as things stand.
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how do you reason - there are people who want to...write words but can't find a topic and here, finally there's one?
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: nothing can possibly happen with that sort of approach, no.
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that sort of "extend the opportunity" is no extend and no opportunity really; what exactly is your view & approach there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-28#1019730 - nice, well done jfw ! and indeed, not having a republican block explorer sucks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-28#1019734 - what's wrong with enjoying learning and/or puzzles? re hardware though, it's a sort of once-removed to learn about it via tools on top and it's unclear why would you go that route at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman needs to go now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'd say have a good look at it and see if you can think of more to add in there, then go ahead and write it up, at least to see how the writing turns out on this sort of skeleton.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why is that missing from there anyway, it's your own personal blog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: also, why do *you* want to learn cmd line tools?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, all you say there is fine and useful to do,yes, read the man pages, always think with your own brain when reading something even if it's written by God himself, do practice, do read other people's scripts etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the how to sounds like you don't really have all that clear learning strategies in place, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's certainly better; the why is a bit disjointed/not clear if you know what you are going to say there really (ie why is the piping one level below one cmd at a time and not on the same level?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the "do not X" is at most a footnote really; while that specific do not is relevant to you and possibly others, if you start listing all the do NOTs, you'll end up with a mighty tome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: eh, what am I here, the universal librarian? "as with learning all things, focus on understanding what and how and why it is and does", lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's combinatorially without c in the middle, lol; because it's from combinations not categories nor combinategories !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you might want afterwards to give the test at the end to your pupils too, esp if they took it in the beginning and found it hard, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, it's easy if you know the stuff; it's probably "wtf is a...process??" if you don't, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I had to fight the initial eyes glazing-over effect but that's possibly me-and-filling-forms, so not necessarily your trouble there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: no, as opposed to an actual task to do I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do you plan/need to distribute those or why that format?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: now I realised how long it's been since I suffered through any sort of school, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so then think and write down some steps & aims for that, implement to build it up, make sure there's time for it even at the expense of talks/meetings otherwise and talk/write/ask more to help you with it if/as needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you will never have the time to go/talk/be everywhere for sure but the good news is that anyway that's not needed as such really; on one hand it might make it way easier to make everyone *come* to you where & when you are and for the other, you want to filter the ocean so you do need some working tools or you'll just exhaust yourself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... came out of it whether short, medium or long-term, whether deal or strategic advantage etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: it doesn't have to be some full-blown 10 pages monstrosity; but you do need to have for yourself some way of evaluating because otherwise you can't really increase the focus on what delivers the results you are after; esp when it's meetings and talks and conversations and so on, it's very easy to end up dragged about everywhere for as long as you have any free hour for it but at the end of the day what matters is what really ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ok; iirc from your published business plan you have a clear profile of the sort of people that are promising so that's good; do you have also concrete ways to evaluate those meetings/conversations/invites even? and for that matter competitors, market, all that jazz?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, quite a cheap test at that, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you can't invite the useful, only the promising, you know? and it's not your fault or anything, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: wider though, the question basically has at root the - what's your growth and development strategy there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: question is - was it the *useful* 50%?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there can be a lot of admin work, sure, but there are also event organisers /rooms usually don't come just bare walls and bring your chairs from home (or hm, maybe they do in Panama?); there is still a lot of work on getting the people you want to actually come etc so yes, that part is to be considered well, but really it's that part only; and considered as in "what does this bring for jwrd and therefore is this worth doing?", not ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so then what, the admin work, you mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: how did those happy hours go, did most people show up, were they interested, why not focus on growing those if you are not yet sure you have enough to make a conference work ? (though remembering that focus on "exclusivity", it can't be a problem)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can invite him to present, sure; returning the favour afterwards and all that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what's the trouble anyway with aiming and having your own "conference" or whatever? not like you can't rent a room.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: myeah but see, that's not your event, that's the thing; you are basically making his numbers and serving his audience there which mhm, fine but not fully serving your purpose really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: wait, what do you mean exactly by "events" in "to do more regular events" and "he'll likely have other events" - are you doing presentation(s)~=event there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so they are effectively a joint-event, explicitly organised by his biz & jwrd, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-28#1019654 - well, I certainly do NOT recommend that sort of sleep deprivation to anyone, no; in between that extreme and leisurely 8h+ every night of blissful sleep, there's of course a lot of space, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess I'll need to write up the notes now, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re drucker yes, "the effective executive"; it's not as much the examples themselves (those are indeed including some from UK and Japan) but more a. the environment and approach he pushes/has in mind/builds on&for b. the obliviousness (whether on purpose or out of ignorance I can't tell but it doesn't matter) to the roots of both what he sees and what he pushes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ahaha, I had a look at that drucker book and it has some really funny gems in there; do be careful what and how you take out of it, as it's so narrowly stuck in a very specific self-selected sliver of artificial-reality (sounds american to me but regardless) that you risk importing nonsense too along any useful exercises/practice you might get, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... further for now, just do THAT one first step properly and without worrying about everything else on that front at once).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-27#1019624 - BingoBoingo, this is significantly better, indeed; re-read it and revise it even qntra-style for clarity though (it's even visible where you warmed up there as the end is WAY clearer than the start); and you need to add more re offline venues & approaches + automation for non-blogs/commenting; re crawler and all that, I want to see already the first step (and nothing ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: btw, try next week to get those EOD reports as comments on your plan on yh so they are in one place and you can go through them more easily at the end of the week too; since it seems the approach helps others too, I'm checking the comments in the morning anyway so I'll read it there just as well as here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sleep deprivation is a torture indeed, only for women it gets rebranded as joys of motherhood.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... continuous at that) to have any use for it (and by then it would have been too little, of course so ...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: tea also contains caffeine afaik, if in smaller quantities indeed; anyways, trouble starts not at caffeine but at addiction (or rather - at dependency); fwiw the fact that I drink very little coffee (and anyway I started drinking any of it only relatively recently) is simply because I literally did *not* need even more... alertness or how to put it; it took 1.5 years of at most 3 hours of sleep per night (and broken/not ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-27#1019623 - BingoBoingo, wouldn't you say that is what is needed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, no, just slow logger; /me kicks the logger then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: back to it, let me repair it then:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess I'll really have to fully check out jfw's client; on the list it goes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, it got cut bc. stupid irssi never heard of more-than-one-breaks, ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... events (obv, you'd need to have such things & this is why I was saying this is several layers wide and deep); accept graciously ONE reschedule, make clear and explicit the trouble + the fact that you are indeed going out of your way to make *sure* the 2nd agreed-upon meeting is at a time&place that works perfectly for them because there will never be a third if the 2nd is messed up too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... rescheduling/no-show/mess-up but move the approach down to one of the previous points for the next time then (this would be closest to your suggested approach I think); accept graciously ONE rescheduling/no-show/mess-up but make sure to redirect the rescheduled meeting in this case to a. a day and time of your choice not theirs and especially not their first suggestion or b. potentially convert instead to an invite to one of your ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... people involved, how else); if I were to attempt now a listing I'd say, in order from the least-flexible end: there's no free, only discounted (initially heavy, gradually or abruptly on no-shows less heavily discounted) time-expenditure; there's a deposit that gets reimbursed if nothing comes out of it/credited if closed/forfeited if no-show/less than 24 hours cancel notice; accept graciously one (ONE) ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-27#1019614 - dorion, tbh *the* most helpful change was that of myself - unsurprisingly but also not quick nor easily passed on unfortunately; in practical terms though and probably more along the lines of the sort of answer you were looking for, there were several strategies that I gradually developed for myself and worked (and I'd choose one or another depending a lot on context and ...
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-28#1958559 - I have no use for it either and precisely for this reason that it's enough if it's in the logs as far as I see it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman takes a break to calm down already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: extract from there everything of use, why wouldn't you even??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: so do this properly and re-read *all* related to what qntra is even meant to be since apparently you never quite fully bothered to look or something; I can't begin to imagine exactly how but there it is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: btw, *still from that about* page, following the very link on qntra's creation, it turns out yet another clear aim & venues - did you ever/do you at all even have a list with the "competition" in the bitcoin arena? do you make sure they don't have "news" that qntra doesn't cover?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that can be individually *mastered* aka known in full detail, this is not about "tested"; imagine it like this: basically on one hand you can learn stuff in reasonably small chunks that are themselves useful and then as you learn more of them, the benefits increase not linearly but *combinatorially* because ....piping.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: all right; remember, your focus should be on doing things right first and foremost; the schedule/plan will have to adapt to *that*, not the other way around.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ideally trawling one swamp should indeed naturally lead to the others, but given the poor record, I'd say it's best to have a list as long as possible to start with
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yw; I suppose the other thing I should point out explicitly -and not just for you really, for everyone- is that failing to value & acknowledge good things & people around explicitly and timely is both very easy to do and very damaging in the longterm (and no, even if it sounds self-serving, it's not this the reason I'm pointing it out).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, BingoBoingo needs to trawl *all* the swamps, so *everything* goes in.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: oh hey, you didn't mention it so far, no; and really glad to hear it, too! :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: another way to look at command line tools is that they are the only "reusable components" that actually work, despite all the wank and pretense in OO or whatever other similar camps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's almost always a combination of factors, of course; but the part you control is still just one and it does matter.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: fwiw, I know all about the "selling yourself short" through very direct and personal experience, lolz; only I was about 23-24 yo at the time and I tried to learn as fast as I could, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the typical analogy is with lego pieces: basically command line tools offer small-and-clear-enough to grasp and use pieces that can be *further* combined together via piping to build larger and more powerful structures *gradually* (meaning while still controlling what is going on and without having to swallow huge complexity of the universal-tool-that-supposedly-does-it-all-nobody-knows-how)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that already sounds better indeed; go into more detail and explore the why(s) there as it will surely help you too, it's basically a way to better understand what it's all about anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, it's you there, not me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it does come back to that don't sell yourselves short that I think I already repeated/pointed out in specific instances but you two know exactly what and how your are doing there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but all of this is several layers deep and wide and all that; and moreover I can't even say I fully get exactly how you positioned yourselves there so far and how you are working exactly, kind of hard to say like this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as you are there to educate them because you *know* something they *need* and they can't find anywhere else, so you're not just some replaceable resource they can't find anywhere
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and moreover of *your* time, specifically.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you know, it's amazing how quickly people "find time" to stick to what they said if they paid some advance or something; this is not to say it has to be an advance - find some way that works, but you can't just not do anything about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a cost for them, obviously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the way you described it so far, it would seem that is the signal you give, yes; it's fine to give the signal that you are acommodating but it should *have a cost* if they mess you about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: regardless of how many/if you have prospects, you should still value your time properly because if *you* don't, then *they will surely not* and it's only going to get worse.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: exactly; and moreover, you give a signal that you do NOT want to give, there is that too and it's not unimportant.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it's not about "more options" as such, no, it can't be; first of all because if they are the sort of time-wasters, they will *anyway* waste *more of your time* than they are worth as they'll just keep dragging you down essentially; I get the trouble of "but it's anyway hard like hell to find even *that*" - it still doesn't mean it's fine to go along with it in that shape; hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: at some point you do need to put in place some ways to dealing with this sort of people that mess you around though because it's usually not just a "one-off" either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the joys of working with "busy" people; that's how it tends to go more often than not, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: this memory issue thing is both ugly and really going on for way longer than it should; what's the root cause there anyway? the "great lisp environment" or your specific code or setup or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: myeah, especially with words about what people claim to "know".
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the news is at most in what it found to suck, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how's the fire-setting/fighting/tending?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at this rate I'll end up on qntra's board without even realising it, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: talking of short-term and long-term plans; *that*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: *that* is the long-term aim.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the main question would be I supposed - do you actually want to own that space?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well yes, of course you need more contributors, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: your overall goal with Qntra is to *own* the newspace in *everything* bitcoin-related; does this make full sense to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: gah, I am not a journalist and I shall not become one overnight either but you can surely do better than that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the start of tmsr-os project?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so I don't know - was for instance the clean dissolution of pizarro reported? of nosuchlabs?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for one thing, reading the about page, qntra is of course meant to be a proper paper aka reporting on everything of interest, not *just* on idiots and lulz, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so you know, it can't be just like that whatever happens to happen or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: basically get it into your head that Qntra is a. a *business* not a hobby b. your future
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and moreover, if it was indeed the case that just reading every day the news still was enough to get articles out with reasonable frequency, then it's probably *so much* that you've been leaving on the table that it ...hurts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: and not *only* that, but seriously, you can't have a decent paper with ...whatever happens to fall from the sky or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: iirc in the beginning when you started with cazalla you bought some journalism book(s) - were those on writing only or more and have you mastered it/them, did you stop there, have you read anything further?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: you know, the more I think about it, the more I start doubting that the lack of a proper editorial plan is NOT pressing, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: well, that sounds like some publicity so not-bad but it also sounds like an opportunity that could have been perhaps pursued for more, really; for one thing that someone who carried the piece around - did you talk to them? for the other - what/how many people/or-anything-visible/measurable did it bring back to qntra?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: meant to ask : what/how do you weigh whether drama is decent or not?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion what places/apps/whatevers are popular nowadays with the btc-interested people you know? it might help BingoBoingo to add to his list.
(ossasepia) diana_coman adds a note to get back to this when there's at least some plan in place for tending the more pressing fires; sigh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that's one good point but not even the meat of it, huh; nevertheless, as you say, it is indeed not yet burning so it shall have to wait for now.
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