mircea_popescu: "i can't do any ffa work because i'm working on a manner in which to do it that wouldn't produce the idle inquiry of loc 6 months in"
asciilifeform: 'the wrong tool for erry job'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: this "structured data" argument is good enough in the general, but consider what it'd have cost you to actually have all that pre-structured, rather than bash-prototype
mircea_popescu: except i don't drink beer, but drink spirits. not whiskey, nor any other stoolbrandy, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: arguably there was 'perlism' prior to perl, just as there was surely alcoholism prior to cheap gin.
asciilifeform: i dunno whether organism ever fully recovers from perl. but been 'dry' for decade nao...
asciilifeform at one pt actually ~was~ 1 of the people naggum wrote about, who 'reached for perl like goebbels for pistol when heard word 'culture'' . then one day realized what it was doing to his brain and ~quit~ , like BingoBoingo quit drink, and never touched since
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:13 mircea_popescu: much unlike naggum's mythical perl, doods sit around doing nothing all day with their reward circuitry so blownout, they literally fail to understand that no, "your message was too long" is an inacceptable reaction to the situation where "my phone is uselessly broken"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 << today 'mythical', but in '98 or when it was he wrote , was in fact troo specifically starring perl. (today other crapola, and moar fragmented so not immediately pointable to as 'hey, perl' )
mircea_popescu: inwashes people, destroying their value systems and their trust in their own understanding and appreciation of the world they live in, but if you're very good at it, you can create a new world for them in which all of this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: "a person's behavior is shaped by the rewards and the punishment he has received while not thinking about his own actions. few people habitually engage in the introspection necessary to break out of this "social programming" or decide to ignore the signals that other people send them, so this is a powerful mechanism for programming the unthinking masses. rewarding idiotic behavior and punishing smart behavior effectively bra
mircea_popescu: much unlike naggum's mythical perl, doods sit around doing nothing all day with their reward circuitry so blownout, they literally fail to understand that no, "your message was too long" is an inacceptable reaction to the situation where "my phone is uselessly broken"
mircea_popescu: ing the programmer with a very strong sense of control and accomplishment that a perl programmer does _not_ try something else."
mircea_popescu: can be very hard: the perl programmer is very good at solving his own problems and assure you that he's on the right track -- he looks like any other programmer who is stuck, and this happens to all of us, but the perl programmer is very different in one crucial capacity: the tool is causing the problems, and unlike other programmers who discover the cause of the problem sooner or later and try something else, perl is reward
mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it
mircea_popescu: "most people, when faced with a problem, will not investigate the cause of the problem, but will instead want to solve it because the problem is actually in the way of something more important than figuring out why something suddenly got in their way out of nowhere. if you are a programmer, you may reach for perl at this point, and perl can remove your problem. happy, you go on, but find another problem blocking your way, r
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:59 mircea_popescu: im sure eg spyked would love ot give it a gander -- maybe he thereby learns asm and becomes as smart as ave1 for one, and maybe it helps his adalisp for the other.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892289 <-- post updated with some more context re. lisp blogotron http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-177.0-179.1 the scope might still prolly not be 100% clear, it seems to require a separate post
hanbot: inb4 this becomes the "whisperers" thread all over again
mircea_popescu: well, let's put it this way : no later than at the chestnut tree cafe i shall.
mircea_popescu: and so on. wtf, i can't dedicate my life to documenting my past life because then who's gonna produce the future.
mircea_popescu: and then when he gets to romanian he's gonna want fain backups, and conceivably, wtf was http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dtng%22 and also, that one time when i sat down to read my collection of pif, what was in those large year-bound things, and could i perhaps dig up the "casino" roulette thing i made by hand to get all the other kids's turbo chewing gum "surprise" dollars, dms an' turk lyrasi
asciilifeform: i'ma deliberately not eat moar until i catch up with chores this wk, but otherwise yes
mircea_popescu: and then if i were to leak eg http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Se2eN/?raw=true ie, historical forum bits of travels ~as thery happened~ alf's gonna also want that and so on.
asciilifeform: most of the a.org links lead to null
mircea_popescu: feel free to quote it at them, why not.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu had these ultra-compact pieces that i suspect would penetrate the biofilm of all sortsa thick heathens today, if they were still on the main pg
mircea_popescu: "You will lose the right to bear arms, not because they hate you, but because you aren't worth it, and you will lose the right to speak freely, not because they're affraid of it, but because you wouldn't know what to do with it if you had it. "
asciilifeform: 'They're sucking the blood out of the fiction, at 3$ an hour, and there wasn't enough fiction to go around to begin with. And since you are paying today for tomorrow's fiction, darn straight you want your rightful slice of it. '
asciilifeform: they oughta try mars, i hear pretty stable.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, swampistan went from -16 to +16 c in <day .
asciilifeform: it is, highly a++ recc'd to anybody who still finds himself tending heathens
asciilifeform: yea tending heathens with headset, meanwhile primordial trilema..
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: i guess ima put this in the report, "lost cto to binge reading ancient html site"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not noose, but i simply like the flavour. just read 'guide to psychopathic rape', for instance, a+++
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not like the femstate's bankruptcy were discovered last tuesday.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892053 << there's an hp clunker willing to guineapig, but it's an i686, will that do?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:24 diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
asciilifeform: 'Implementing muLisp for the Intel 8086 was more challenging because the 1-megabyte address space was segmented into 64-kilobyte segments. The MS-DOS operating system reserved 360 kilobytes of that address space for its purposes, leaving 640 kilobytes for implementing and using muLisp. Awkward segmented architecture is becoming less common as memory costs decline. However, techniques for overcoming the limitations of short pointers a
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 13:57 mircea_popescu: exactly the same substance as the "artwork" basis of http://maddox.xmission.com/irule_.html
asciilifeform: i like the formatting also.
mircea_popescu: kinda goes for the whole thing, tbh.
mircea_popescu: though perhaps there's a lead.
mircea_popescu: imagine you, they have!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it grew to at some point include a forum also, and i put a buncha cr pics from first trip there, which was teh ~only reason i considered over the years digging up archives, but was too lazy.
hanbot: spyked: (snip) <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org << oh sweet, i'ma happily wade knee-deep in these again awhile.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr i quite like the ancient pre-trilema, if you still have whole thing somewhere would be pretty great to read it off proper www, rather than usg's archive
mircea_popescu: the amateurship ~lulz~, ie, look what we discovered and how usgtards ended up renamed.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892248 << 1st i hear of the name, seems to be at least coupla diff people. tho dug up a https://archive.is/WnZJY , which reads almost trilema-like...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re report, ima put in the amateurships yea
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/stoutemyer/index.html << for the l0gz, and for all 'derive' aficionados.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:56 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
asciilifeform: i'ma de-pdfize the 1 and only piece of archaeology known to have been written on subj , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265693 , brb
asciilifeform: i haven't yet encountered a version with 'derive' in the rom out of the box, but entirely possib that they sold one
asciilifeform: 95lx was the 1st model of same
asciilifeform: runs 'derive' just fine if you write it to the sram
asciilifeform: it's an ordinary dos box, with the dos in rom
mircea_popescu: and the derive people announced it has a lisp also.
asciilifeform: i dunno re palm, but there was (and remains sold!) a 68k thing that runs on the ti calculator
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at least 4, there was a '-83' also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly 'mu' aint all that helpful for writing a hand-carved lisp -- it's in 16bit asm and has the segmentation bullshit intimately baked into it
mircea_popescu: so there's actually 3 ? ha.
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/DERIVE.EXE , http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/mulisp.com << the latter is 'mulisp-87', there is also a '-90' that i was never able to track down.
mircea_popescu: im sure eg spyked would love ot give it a gander -- maybe he thereby learns asm and becomes as smart as ave1 for one, and maybe it helps his adalisp for the other.
mircea_popescu: you know asciilifeform ... just cutting out the asm lisp compiler and putting it on loper may be a huge boon.
asciilifeform also has a ~decade-long on&off proj to reverse the thing properly. but not much movement on that front since tuning into tmsr.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it was, but the only fucking time i threatened a wanna-be teacher with shooting in my life. dork was derealized enough to think i was kidding.
asciilifeform: neither did mccarthy's orig lisp btw
mircea_popescu: it didn't even have paranthesises!
mircea_popescu: the annoying part is, i hated it so much i don't even have any distinct memory sufficient to identify wtf it even was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's 3 generations of maffs students to whom 'lisp' means precisely this
mircea_popescu: you will be nonplussed to hear that my only mental model for php is this "lisp" thing they had for "especially bright kids to learn how to computer" bla bla back when i was a teen.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:54 spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:52 spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892216 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892221 : a) do you mean the alt "title=..." text? I'll add it to the list of things to look into; b) pingback delivery is for now a manual process. will also have to add automation to thetarpit feature list
asciilifeform: good % was ( i admit, did not eat the whole collection, was snoar )
mircea_popescu: but yes, if one was aiming to alt-pantsuit jirinovski status, that's the right play.
mircea_popescu: "we'd much rather not all be jack keefe, and you know what ? if we never ever mention it it's just as good as if we actually weren't. also, don't say king coon, nigger or cripple."
mircea_popescu: but lardner, who ever talked of the most important american writer in the us ? and WHY NOT ?
mircea_popescu: there's ALWAYS a denied middle in everything pantsuit does. shakespeare, it perceives it has no choice but to talk about, because a) "too big to fail" and b) whatever, "we'll '''antibody it away anyway".
mircea_popescu: shakespeare isn't even the major problem ; the major problem are the english greats pantsuit ~deliberately~ ain't talking about, because very much http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ sorta reasons
asciilifeform: yea won't dispute that oughta back up the shakespear etc
asciilifeform: http://flibusta.is is asciilifeform's routine 'gutenberg', been a while since i looked at the actual one
mircea_popescu: never take pantsuit useful sites for granted ; they're always useful momentarily and coincidentally, because pantsuit is always more pantsuit than anything else, and the only thing pantsuit is is stupid, thus therefore useless and annoying.
mircea_popescu: there's no doubt in my mind it will.
mircea_popescu: totally must-be-done tho, lest the BingoBoingo 's of the future end up missing out on their soulfood.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 23:50 mircea_popescu: which incidentally - has been read TODAY by more people than read ALL of marcel proust's works since the making of gutenberg.org
mircea_popescu: incidentally, either spyked or lobbes what do you need to make a complete gutenberg.org copy ? it IS going away, for one thing the initiator guy died and for the other thing, with their world-famous http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627828 there's no way they'll stay online all that long.
asciilifeform: 'To sane humans, such a character is bewildering, but let's not forget an important piece of the puzzle. Jim Blow isn't there for sane humans. He's there for a very specific category of defective human minds. They call themselves "hackers" or something like that, and the rest of the world calls them nerds. ' << a++ imho
asciilifeform: ( ftr nuffin asciilifeform wrote in that period is imho worth the electrons. the only own item i even bothered pickling & preserving from that time, is http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html )
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7Pvov << moar from same fossilized www. whether in fact ancient mircea_popescu engl. practice or not, it's pretty good imho.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:56 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892248 << 1st i hear of the name, seems to be at least coupla diff people. tho dug up a https://archive.is/WnZJY , which reads almost trilema-like...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also can include the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890719 lul, if there's space.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892238 << possibly oughta include the tidbit re arithmetical part of ffa being 100% built (can gen rsa primez nao, can do so easily after ch17, where looping is introduced)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 22:33 diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 21:04 mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?)
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892216 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892221 : a) do you mean the alt "title=..." text? I'll add it to the list of things to look into; b) pingback delivery is for now a manual process. will also have to add automation to thetarpit feature list
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 21:04 mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892053 << updated sig can be found in the comments here >> http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/#comment-52
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:54 asciilifeform: (possibly the only gavin still going from that period?)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in continuations http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891084 of antique lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/
BingoBoingo working on a "You know me Al!" post for the reason that I still have quite a bit of hayseed stuck in my headcase
BingoBoingo: I indeed focused on the changes. Everything about your proposal appears materially better than what I've been doing so far. Thank you for the constructive feedback, I'm going to implement it starting with the statement update.
diana_coman: I suppose being "updates" you focused only on what changed in the week covered but A. it makes it very difficult to follow because there's no help to re-load Pizarro issues (maybe just a list of issues at the end with dates and carried over until issue fully addressed?) and B. if nothing happened on crucial issues, it's best to keep them pinging at least
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread?
BingoBoingo: The January 14th mega update indeed opened a lot of threads.
diana_coman: the way it reads now, Jan 14 update has a lot of things starting and then by Feb3rd nothing is heard of them at all
diana_coman: it would be great to follow up all points/threads started in earlier updates really so they don't get lost
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, derps dedicated to ritually dirtying local waters derping about the water already being dirty https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Afroumbandistas-reclaman-que-no-celebraron-Iemanja-en-paz-por-las-cianobacterias-uc709088
mircea_popescu: i expect phf at the very least will muchly love a republican drakma.
mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 18:29 mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?
mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item.
BingoBoingo: Whether on Reddit or in Al's mailbox
BingoBoingo: But the kids will dream
BingoBoingo: Naturally the question is moot, because Allan's bitches will blow it all on furniture
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Do the kids want to eat this winter or do they want to spend the winter digging holes back home
BingoBoingo: *Apologies for mispelling Serious, the City Serious
BingoBoingo: It also amazes how much healthier the incentive structures are. For filling the stands and winning the City Series (a thing because owning the ballpark was a business) the bonus was a substantial percent of the player's celery. Today some Jewish kid is dicking around trying to get somewhere between 200-500 million USD guaranteed over the next decade.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there's anything that merits a mass printing its Al's inbox
mircea_popescu: unlike whatever large-headed thai moron struggling to figure out a pipe, i live in this enchanted world where all i need do is whine -- mp's own this-or-that regiment stands ready at the teat, to stuff it in my mouth.
mircea_popescu: eh whatever it was. the idea being that some dude hearing the coxcomb going "play up" and then on the nile the same "play up" and heigh-ho ain't britain great for being dumb. something like that anyway.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that retarded brit poem about the oxford oarsmen that then get massacred in egypt, "and england is far" bla bla.
BingoBoingo: Home runs didn't much happen until after the world series was sold and derp came in to "fix" the game
mircea_popescu: in fact, period baseball may at least claim the honor of being among the few sports to have lived the sportive ideal, all that jazz about "creating moral imperative in young minds" etc.
BingoBoingo: There wasn't much money or much run scoring. "Deadball era" is the term that was applied after the fact
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea that star athlete would be permitted at the table in society is "obvious" today, but was inconceivable 1919.
BingoBoingo: It is also important to note that "stuff" is an important technical term with respect to the ball's movement in the air
mircea_popescu: it wasn't very much money at the time. at least not looking at it from an anachronistic perspective and from within a society where athleticism is the only nobility left.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other side-lulz, alf's gonna come back from tea and suspect the poppies were bad or something. "what the FUCK are they talking about!"
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892028 << The exact moment I encountered the baby's uninterest in interacting with the world using its right arm
mircea_popescu: gotta be possible! cuz when a man sets his mind to it, aint not anything in the world he can't pretty well fix./ or at least not want to fix anymore.
BingoBoingo: It's all ok though because Mr Dustbowl is going to make some tough talk about fixing the left handedness
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : the odds of left handed kid born in a house where live two adult males, the one which isn't you being also left handed, being yours are perhaps under 0.1%)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 00:46 mircea_popescu: Jan 30 18:30:38 <mircea_popescu> and since i mentioned vice-versa again, some #haremleaks : hanbot asked me if i think the only reason anstey made paul a widower was so he didn't have to confront his son fucking his wife during that week.
mircea_popescu: and THEN, in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891044 you wonder ~why~ the big deal about lefthandedness ? was it because lo and behold, the trait is an extremely fine discerner of parenthood, in this specific context ?
BingoBoingo: Not to mention how Gleason suffered the next year for not dumping Keefe in Oklahoma for the offseason himself
mircea_popescu: ie, she was ALREADY pregnant when they met.
mircea_popescu: only to discover that a) it's not fucking possible she got pregnant and ready to deliver in a single season and then b) actually count the months and discover a woman he married 2nd day after meeting mid-oct is delivering him allan's baby mid june ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, did you also go "hmm... his wife returns, pregnant, after giving him the heave-ho... evidently not his kid"
mircea_popescu: and THEN, because no, this doesn't fucking end, does it, THEN you also know the future.
mircea_popescu: this being, of course, the ~correct~ way to imagine things. jack keefe, for being an imaginary character, is actually super-authentic as well as meta-authentic.
mircea_popescu: you know ? and the insanity of it is, my own harem informs me, that is ~exactly~ what gleason ~actually did~.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the saintly manner Gleason takes Jack and reshapes him into a rounded player without Jack even noticing
mircea_popescu: anyways. certainly provides well needed perspective for all sorts of local-flavour insanities. "the success and importance" of "social media", aka "for the first time ever the circumstance that we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to each other doesn't seem as much of an impediment anymore!"
mircea_popescu: (Sir Cashion walnut, for the curious, is most likely "circassian" walnut, aka plain and common walnut)
mircea_popescu: and of course, all sort of forgotten lulz, like say "I says I feel O.K. and I ain't afraid to pitch against Johnson and I ain't afraid to hit against him neither. Then Weaver says Have you ever saw him work? Yes, I says, I seen him in Chi. Then Weaver says Well if you have saw him work and ain't afraid to hit against him I'll bet you would go down to Wall Street and holler Hurrah for Roosevelt. I says No I wouldn't do that bu
BingoBoingo: Then there's the enduring unfairness that Jack Keefe's dollar is as good as Tom Sawyer's and... what happened to the dollar between 1919 and 2019?
mircea_popescu: why is it that pretty much the only thing two of them ever have to talk about is the latest ad and the only reason they can possibly meet is to try and sell each other tupperware, or try and sell each other out to whatever ?
mircea_popescu: there is a deep an' fundamental reason "the narrative" in that sad shithole consists entirely of and exists entirely as commerciam communication aka advertising copy ; and there is a deep and fundamental reason social relations ~do not exist~ among americans outside of commercial relations.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: they very much had the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816498 problem. but they did not have enough fucking sense to approach it correctly.
mircea_popescu: now, the question is -- why did sovok leadership not simply gift the population a buncha copies of this book ?
mircea_popescu: i will actually say on the record that i currently believe jack keefe to be the representative american, in this exact sense : if all americans were to be defined by delta from a single point, he's the point which, if chosen, affords the smallest total sum of deltas.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention, whatever the last person he talked to said becomes holy writ until he talks to someone else
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 19:04 mircea_popescu: if you redefine all words to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in the most loving world imaginable.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking pile of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891780 is one thing ; but then there's STRUCTURE in the grime.
mircea_popescu: THEN sixty pages later it becomes obvious it's just her , "do it the right way" "which way is the right way ?" "the one that works out to what i want" "but this is after the fact" "i am a christian!!!"
mircea_popescu: you're thinking hm... this is kinda out of character. but you don't realise the fucking paramecium ~simply imported some dna from the woman~.
mircea_popescu: l have to stand it and I guess I won't starv to death for no $10 a month because I am going to get $2800 next year besides the city serious money and maybe we will get into the World Serious too. I know we will if Callahan will pitch me every 3d day like I wanted him to last season. But if you had of approached the old man in a different way maybe you could of fixed it up. I wish you would try it again Al if it is not no trou
mircea_popescu: "I don't think the old man give me no square deal on that lease but if he wants to stick me all right. I am grateful to you Al for trying to fix it up but maybe you could of did better if you had of went at it in a different way. I am not finding no fault with my old pal though. Don't think that. When I have a pal I am the man to stick to him threw thick and thin. If the old man is going to hold me to that lease I guess I wil
BingoBoingo: Leads to: "Then he says I am not sure you are going to get anything. I says What do you mean? And he says I have gave you a very fare contract and if you don't want to live up to it that is your own business."
BingoBoingo: "She says Well if you will go and talk the right way to Comiskey I believe he will give you $3000 but you must be sure you go at it the right way and don't go and ball it all up. Well we argude about it a while because I don't want to hold nobody up Al but finally I says I would. It would not be holding nobody up anyway because I am worth $3000 to the club if I am worth a nichol."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 03:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nicole'll tell you all about it, once she digs herself out of punishment hole and is allowed maybe the use of furniture again. << AHA, see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891974
mircea_popescu: as far as i know [and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing], the last "thai princes" in existence sported armenian moustaches, went about in confiscated warsaw pact uniforms and had names ending in that ridiculous accented c.
mircea_popescu: ordinary working class telegraph boys fall on her every other weekend, with no further effect.
mircea_popescu: o, right, right. the difference between him and 10`000 'ard cunts in the sad isles that night was that he's the one the chick decided to give a run for his money (which he got to keep most of).
asciilifeform: recall, there was a whine circus re subj couplayrs ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking rather of the 1 that 'fell onto' that secretute , famously
mircea_popescu: nicole'll tell you all about it, once she digs herself out of punishment hole and is allowed maybe the use of furniture again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the basis of general experience i expect (the foregoing is no kind of proof) that their "fucking heathens" consists of this derpy dood telling some inept whore in cocal casino that "he didn'rt want to assume".
asciilifeform: sometimes the ball goes into a hole and sits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the ball bearing analogy for simulated annealing algo ?
mircea_popescu: that's what's said there, yes ? that a) this thing is b) ad idem continuator of c) thing that explored space of possibilities ALREADY.
asciilifeform: ( and it aint as if 'simply aint done', saud princes routinely get on airplane & fuck heathens )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:08 asciilifeform: and it dun strike me as somehow outlandish that in cn they've played the tape 3-4 times, while in europistan 1-2.
mircea_popescu: but he is supposed to be the ad-idem continuator of "people who long ago have", as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891663 algo.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's not like i set out to outprince the $eastern-monarch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta wonder, do they grow'em http://trilema.com/2018/the-saddest-person-in-the-world/ -style
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a right6 you are huh! 2019-2014 = 4 unless you're late enough in the year.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh incidentally : qntra was FIVE YEARS OLD in october! << Four, will be five the following october
mircea_popescu: the space of possibilities is well explored by now, the wrench exists for a fucking reason, it's not some arbitrary thing
mircea_popescu: if you'\re going to "go fix the pipes" do me the fucking courtesy and use the wrench.
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder if he keeps the cellophane on his sofa also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta agree, mega-kronprinz that is too chicken to take the wrapper off the chix
mircea_popescu: galling, too, schmuck's going about fixing the gal's fingerfood selection for her and other http://trilema.com/2011/cum-era-sa-il-pleznesc-pe-unu/ delectables.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty for the cake
mircea_popescu: and THAT wasn't really worth filming either.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:59 mod6: lol. that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the funny thing is that I have trouble remembering any names as such - it's more when I read the names that I go "oh, THAT one"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
diana_coman: in other side quests, I got good ol' Supaplex next to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829520 ; and a whole batch of old stuff while at it, all running nicely on a dosbox
mircea_popescu: to be fed, of course, the result of split -29950 <filename>
mircea_popescu: in other news, mp's own bash grenadiers regiment suggests an ad interim solution for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891951 in the shape of ls | grep ^x..$' | while read line; do curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@$line" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective}; done
asciilifeform in the guts of 16b but tuned in & following cuntoo scent
mircea_popescu: diff guy did a coupla years first, before being sucked into the evercunt manifold.
diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
trinque: with the build mount unmounted of course.
trinque: the code that runs vdiff is pretty simple, lives at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh
diana_coman: aha; well, mine is stock gentoo rather than musl so yes
mircea_popescu: not saying that necessarily accounts for the difference. but it is a fact.
trinque: sorry, *the profile-related paths which differed from mine
trinque: it doesn't seem to have happened anywhere else in your genesis either
trinque: the paths from your genesis don't even look like real paths; they look like two paths mangled together
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html << The Tar Pit -- Schedule for Republican work, February - April 2019
trinque: this would be expected if the bootstrap compiler requires a host glibc.
trinque: headed bedward now, but I'll see what I can dig up tomorrow. appeared the bootstrap compiler refused to run.
ave1: the whole thing in the end is static, but yes maybe still relies on a specific gcc lib in there
trinque: building it on cuntoo might be a good test of your script's isolation. possible it relies on something from the host.
ave1: trinque, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891961, I've build it with itself (i.e. musl). But the ultimate start has always been the gcc version from AdaCore. I could not get it to work with an FSF start.
mircea_popescu: i got 4.1.16 ; it'd be a wonder if anyone still has a 3 anywhere, or for that matter if there;'s some subtle symlink treatment difference between them, but...
asciilifeform: nao this is interesting ( i assume both of you used phf's modern vdiff, which as far as anyone knows is 100% deterministic and dun import 'locale' crapolade like the ancient one did )
trinque: asciilifeform: the diff there contains only path weird, and I hazard a guess there's a difference in vdiff behavior. I used a vdiff pressed down to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp
asciilifeform: ( and muchly superior to how asciilifeform did trb's 'chicken' genesis, where was stuck giving it as hand-cranked recipe on acct of the vdiff of the period being unable to describe deletion of binturds )
trinque: my release contains my signature of genesis.vpatch, but not the vpatch itself. this way everyone is forced to confirm the bridge out of gentoo and into cuntoo
trinque: the goal here is that everyone who runs the script gets exactly the same genesis.vpatch, of course. why folks got slightly different results is exactly the question.
trinque: please read the script and ask a specific question
trinque: because we're comparing the output of her and my build machines, the goal being determinism.