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ben_vulpes: yeah really, muchas gracias mod6
ben_vulpes: the important thing is that it not be the same tempdir every time so that interrupted executions don't block the next execution
ben_vulpes: it is fine to leave the tempdir in place so long as it is uniquely named
ben_vulpes: point also is not absolute age but years bouncing off the republic
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's not a personal attack, i disagree that i agreed that v.pl was doing the Right Thing in leaving ~/.gnupgtmp hanging around
ben_vulpes: mod6: make a disposable tempdir like stans original and my port. i don't know whence this 'agree', stan's original was clear enough.
ben_vulpes: logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you gotta quote chapter and verse from the logs to support "outcome of that discussion".
ben_vulpes: want to corroborate what appear to be facts before plowing down a possibly retarded path though
ben_vulpes: the mega-clue is "any seven numbers"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i don't
ben_vulpes: hey man i only figured out how conditionals worked today
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there some way of doing iteration with the opcodes from ch4 ?
ben_vulpes: then at that point the historical perspective was obviously necessary and i've simply never seen modern arch's as anything other than complexity madness in search of itty bitty performance gains on systems nobody can actually reason about
ben_vulpes: i only started thinking about compute because of bitcoin, and shortly after i started thinking about it in earnest (like maybe a month, six weeks something like that) you showed up in #b-a and /even at that point/ were talking about eg trinary circuits and computing fabric
ben_vulpes: i've never been burdened with the "This Is How Things Are" of the c-machine
ben_vulpes: it all strikes me as so very silly on the surface but i have a weird lens of not having thought about any of the related shit until ~2013 and even then only through republican eyes
ben_vulpes: such sandbox very secure
ben_vulpes: iphones apparently vulnerable to SPECTRE too, hilariously
ben_vulpes: yeah but fuck them in particular
ben_vulpes: is mktemp widely installed enough to be used here?
ben_vulpes: ah over is the key!
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't actually recall any agreement on the topic, you did yours one way and i another, and i cannot recall how asciilifeform's original handled this
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-05#1316693 is what i dig up on the topic
ben_vulpes: had to go beat self with everything i was never beaten with starting in my early twenties when the republic kicked off
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not rare, was just never beaten with one
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: have not, believe it or not
ben_vulpes: only the artsy fartsy guicrap
ben_vulpes: it does, this is my first encounter with a stack machine tho so thinking is proceeding slowly
ben_vulpes: so will not be reading ch5 yet
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: still working on my solution to ch4
ben_vulpes: right, i shelled out to mktmpdir in mine
ben_vulpes: ah k nm then
ben_vulpes: it is a minor thing that i occasionally trip over
ben_vulpes: mod6: while you're in there can you get your vtron to cleanup its tmp gnupg directory when it catches a ctrl-c?
ben_vulpes: terribru pun on glassware
ben_vulpes: i'm still waiting on my three secret beakers
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: entirely sensible!
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#1848 << and fuck you if you want to make a command with a name more than 1char longer than "walletpassphrasechange"
ben_vulpes: or even aligning the = operators themselves
ben_vulpes: now that we've done indentation, how about aligning variables on the right side of = operators
ben_vulpes: in other news, lowtax state of wa remarkably efficient in stark comparison to hightax state of or.
ben_vulpes: what is with these retards and their untestable hypotheses anyways, "this might blablabla the whateverwhatever". nigga can you not design an experiment? or might it be that the necessary experiments are actually impossible given the impossibility of baking metrics and disambiguating confounding factors?
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i'll put it on the budget lolz shelf
ben_vulpes: > memorly << prett good coinage
ben_vulpes: np who are you
ben_vulpes: !!up vap0r
ben_vulpes: !up vap0r
ben_vulpes: wot wot
ben_vulpes: 2017's "a is for activist" -- b&. 1933's french colonial propaganda -- celebrated.
ben_vulpes: in other lols, my 1933 babar reprint just arrived and it is a delightful paen to colonialism
ben_vulpes: jpxe: ssl is shitty shit from commie joo empire
ben_vulpes: so jpxe what sorta adastuffs are you working on
ben_vulpes: that is one of the nicest things about this little town that i've moved to, all of the girls make eye contact and act feminine
ben_vulpes: eye contact also offensive
ben_vulpes: nearly tumblr rape gimpwork grade
ben_vulpes: really going for the big tent there
ben_vulpes: free bible software download!
ben_vulpes: hm i cannot find this wonder in the logs
ben_vulpes: btw how come nobody in the "stop rape culture!!11" world has done an indiestarter to build the vagina dentata from neal stephenson's snow crash?
ben_vulpes: yes i know, in ro
ben_vulpes: trilema reviews better use of time mostly anyways
ben_vulpes: phf: i haven't watched much television or many movies full stop
ben_vulpes: k i guess i gotta see or read this now
ben_vulpes: phf: lol
ben_vulpes: free speech fundamentalism is facism, because we sat around and wanked to the tune of logical programs and term equivalence, but skipped history of governmental organization 101
ben_vulpes: >> Unfortunately, one participant was stuck on free speech side of the debate. << kawaiiiiiii neh
ben_vulpes: that we can all be treated truly equally at last long last"
ben_vulpes: > i haven't tried this test yet << and you don't know that it only works on the feeble minded, literally anyone else is going to see exactly what you're doing and give the canned response that you want: "the patriarchy keeps women down and what is really called for is demoting and docking mens wages, and promoting science education for little girls, and generally eradicating the constructed gender binary so
ben_vulpes: holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring
ben_vulpes: 'magic' just means alkaline; necessary to make the reaction run.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: leaves not enough on their own, gotta throw in some of the magic dirt too
ben_vulpes: dude...
ben_vulpes: you did what now?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: no
ben_vulpes: what, like paying taxes?
ben_vulpes: 'umble pie is an unknown delight for these people
ben_vulpes: no really, you're crying because he got dinged and not because you didn't get the raise? i am so very convinced.
ben_vulpes: and in riotously amusing equalitarianism and whocouldapredictedz: "After the committee ruled in her favor, the municipality lowered the man's wages to Ms. Sigfusdottir's level. 'I went home crying,', she said in an interview. 'I would never have gone forward with the case knowing it would only lead to my colleague receiving less."
ben_vulpes: not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot.
ben_vulpes: so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag
ben_vulpes: mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science
ben_vulpes: so whatcha working on now?
ben_vulpes: subject of circles where does this timecop feller and this otherguy with the uhf dick swinging habit all hang out?
ben_vulpes: new one on me
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: what does 'HIV' stand for?
ben_vulpes: !!reputation ReadErr
ben_vulpes: how dyou get setpoints from table to fc then
ben_vulpes: oya? wifi stuff?
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: how much of a hassle is it to throw waypoints or actuator setpoints at one of those fcs of yours while its flying?
ben_vulpes: solved child enslavement and leaded solder equally well teh pantsuits
ben_vulpes: that easy, huh?
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: where do you get properly leaded solder?
ben_vulpes: regulation is crap.
ben_vulpes: shake it hard it may come out, i hear the rohs crap is crap
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: has an iphone with the soldered in storage probably, cannot pull sd card?
ben_vulpes: what why
ben_vulpes: dude it's just going to keep happening. sv baitnswitch.
ben_vulpes: sounds like you want a holistic personal backup strategy, really gotta go bolting shit to the side with galleries as well?
ben_vulpes: costs like 5 bucks per month
ben_vulpes: run a server, set up apache?
ben_vulpes: gotta wire IMUs etc to it or is that all on the pcb?
ben_vulpes: heh neat, so how do you use one of these fcs?
ben_vulpes: header forest lol
ben_vulpes: well for tiny usb thingers
ben_vulpes: useful!
ben_vulpes: schematics for the fixedwing flight controller anywhere?
ben_vulpes: that skateboard looks like a ripping good time
ben_vulpes: fixed and quad it looked like from the photos?
ben_vulpes: ReadErr: what are those pcbs?
ben_vulpes: sounds vastly more entertaining than pantsuit whinging
ben_vulpes: time for that died ~2014
ben_vulpes: dude's a wannabe alan kay, writing on a smaller shittier blogspot which is about to implode due to implementing the "three free articles per month" idiocy
ben_vulpes: look at wannabe-hacker-oriented linux distros like Arch and Gentoo, which refuse to supply an installer and instead require users to retype the source code of an installer script from the manual
ben_vulpes: that was fast
ben_vulpes: no lobbying necessary it turns out, just make 'chocolate' for vegans, call it 'chocolate' and them 'vegans' instead of 'poor and deluded'
ben_vulpes: all cocoa solids or what all is in it
ben_vulpes: you know what's surprisingly legal? marketing something as chocolate with no milk in it
ben_vulpes: portion sizes shrinking daily, new ersatz showing up on shelves daily, styled as healthy and pandering to lord only knows what delusions
ben_vulpes: no need, real chocolate is prohibitively expensive for more folks than cocaine
ben_vulpes: well and the aspirational bank tellers the poor dears hafta teach how to dress
ben_vulpes: just statsheet yrself up a personality, the kit even comes with stamps and an ink pad!
ben_vulpes: gap, cocoa-cola, banana republic, pepsi, target, nordstrom, macys, ford, chevrolet...
ben_vulpes: what you think i don't shop at target because some confusion of hairshirt ethics and economics? no, they sell plastic trash, that's why i don't.
ben_vulpes: look i'm not saying that this is so, merely that it is claimed to be so.
ben_vulpes: this is victory, ysee
ben_vulpes: because "not done in usa, and we don't shop at target because child slavery!"
ben_vulpes: soi-disant victory i shoulda said
ben_vulpes: but afaik you are correct in that the formulation hasta be "if you can't raise them as a +ev proposition, you didn't have any business doing it in the first place" and just like everything else of +/- ev in this world, there is only one way to know if you can pull it off
ben_vulpes: tangentially related, i was browsing the pantsuit history of victory in eradication of child labor just last night!
ben_vulpes: negative expected value
ben_vulpes: why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny?
ben_vulpes: why is it sane to stay in the drafty and mouldering ruin your family left and insane to go abroad plundering?
ben_vulpes: dunno that i buy it, esthlos, the misery of enemies and the pleasure of their women is historically a pretty strong motivator
ben_vulpes discovered today that airpark hangars are not quite as dry as i'd expected
ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty
ben_vulpes: revnja: which website?
ben_vulpes: reads like "rev-en-ja", or "revenger" from here but that can't be right
ben_vulpes: who are you, revnja ?
ben_vulpes: !!up revnja
ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level
ben_vulpes: shinohai: thats miles beyond my meagre sausage-wiggling skills
ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists
ben_vulpes: i don't recommend it either
ben_vulpes: lol totally. i've finally leveled up in guitar to the point where i can pick some simple songs like this out, so i'm getting some background auditory training in at the same time
ben_vulpes: kidz toonz. "quack quack music please?"
ben_vulpes: what's up in mod6landia?
ben_vulpes: pretty good, listening to raffi, working through ffa_ch4, tidying up some stuff for $work
ben_vulpes: ohai mod6
ben_vulpes: went for a gun, dontcha know
ben_vulpes: first of the new year!
ben_vulpes: premysl: logs are in channel title
ben_vulpes: surprisingly well know, just not really discussed in 'mainstream'/pantsuit media due to the dump truck loads of fear it inspires
ben_vulpes: nice to meetcha, jim
ben_vulpes: btw, who are you? do you keep a blog anywhere?
ben_vulpes: stop by and update us with node sync process regularly and you'll be ahead of 90% of the pack, sadly
ben_vulpes: no promises, of course
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: i don't purge ratings on much more than a once-every-other-quarter basis, so you've got some time
ben_vulpes: alternatively, jawbone2, rent some virtualized hardware and -connect your homenode to it
ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
ben_vulpes: but 'try it and see'!
ben_vulpes: perhaps, i do not know what promises they make.
ben_vulpes: idem versionstring as asciilifeform mentioned
ben_vulpes: would be neat to patch trb to have this dynamically settable, and nothard either, see settxfee
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: yes, if you are so unlucky as to only have access to a dynamic ip, you must reboot your node with a new ip in myip lest ye 'eat' and now 'plough'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, i made that latter point.
ben_vulpes: nothing in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html mentions static IPs, so let's clear this up
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: are you talking about the myip flag?
ben_vulpes: afaik you don't even need to be able to do incoming connections, although you are a leech upon the network if you don't.
ben_vulpes: shouldn't need a permanent IP to run a node. it's a good thing, and a requirement for running a srsbsns anything, but you can drop connections and reconnect to the bitcoin network regularly without much hassle.
ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
ben_vulpes: no dude, asics are for mining
ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
ben_vulpes: now up thyself
ben_vulpes: !!v 02AEF7A724ECDDFE7D2A98B31B1104BE71D04CC8985E4D2008CED0AA8D1654E4
ben_vulpes: !!rate jawbone2 1 new blood
ben_vulpes: funnily i experience this approximately never
ben_vulpes: certainly has better art
ben_vulpes: lending voice not yet so fraught as to be a formal introduction
ben_vulpes: shinohai: kinda silly, if you posrate someone they can up themselves
ben_vulpes: is there a point to that sort of spam that i don't understand?
ben_vulpes: "death to america" << ahahaha
ben_vulpes: there's no way that Lord_dpb in the l0de chat is danielpbarron is it?
ben_vulpes: yeah i recently tried a 'modern' asdf and recoiled in horror at how much it broke
ben_vulpes: pfffhaha
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544670 was the last i recall on the topic
ben_vulpes: while useful in some contexts, once phf said 'asdf is a pig with lipstick', could not unsee.
ben_vulpes: i started vendoring swaths of lisp code recently myself
ben_vulpes: phf: neat summary, ty
ben_vulpes: what i did for candi was to link a paste
ben_vulpes: freenode is the kludge; im not going to sink time into making *tronic bot that doesn't do auth itself because freenode doesn't like your host.
ben_vulpes: when i booted one somehow i did not waste hours.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am not going to take responsibility for your not reading the connection routines. it's plain as day the thing expects magic strings.
ben_vulpes: symlink is new as of today
ben_vulpes: they're not all there, as that's the directory they get dumped into after mimisbrunnr is asked for them the first time
ben_vulpes: that's right
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "gansta roll"
ben_vulpes: "Few things here appear to be more rare or valuable than persons capable and willing to deploy humiliation, particularly the necessary educational sort." << word
ben_vulpes: processmessage, right right
ben_vulpes: well at boot you pushgetblocks to everyone you connect to
ben_vulpes: i imagine it's in your addnode set?
ben_vulpes: nah, couldn't possibly cost more to run than it enables people to scam
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one
ben_vulpes: lol i stuck my head into bitcointalk.org for all of ten minutes before i found hanbot's legendary piece and jumped to #b-a
ben_vulpes: nah, kakologs were in place before i showed up
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759407 << phf pasted me some emacs erc (irc client) auth scriptage way back in the gribble days which got him a rating, and trinque and i'd been drinking together in meatland, and hanging in previously a mentioned pantsuit hellhole irc channel and ricocheted off #b-a a few times (at my insistence iirc) before it stuck
ben_vulpes: holy log already
ben_vulpes: !!up punto
ben_vulpes: gonna have to revert and watch, or provision a mess of boxen
ben_vulpes: stormy, with a chance of packeting
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no need
ben_vulpes: comedy option: vpatch names are now the hash of the resulting codebase
ben_vulpes: oh you said "patch # and the codebase hash is..."
ben_vulpes: question then becomes how to get the patchtitle into .manifest
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: okay, i geddit. do it as the first step of vdiff, so the mutation shows up
ben_vulpes: i'll have to doodle, cannot do this live
ben_vulpes: okay, let's work it
ben_vulpes: putting the codebasehash in headers doesn't work then, as there is no 'file that will always be touched' that is a part of v to participate in the toposort
ben_vulpes: how is a4 to indicate that it needs both a3 and a3' otherwise?
ben_vulpes: (it's an urbit, and presumably others crackpottery)
ben_vulpes: it'll need codebasehashprepatch and codebasehashpostpatch i think
ben_vulpes: well then it's out of band, unsigned
ben_vulpes: hash of the patched codebase including the patched manifest with hash of patched codebase in it?
ben_vulpes: moreover i want to bring up another overlooked point which is that it is illegal to press a tree with these two patches side by side
ben_vulpes: that only took a day
ben_vulpes: great
ben_vulpes snaps keyboard, retires, drowns children, shoots self
ben_vulpes: so then for a3' to be an a4, it must touch an unrelated file in a3, forever crufting up the codebase with v artifacts.
ben_vulpes: a3 and a3' can touch a disjoint set of files and never be depended upon by an a4 without mutating unrelated files to ensure dependency is properly codified.
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