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shinohai: Happy New year mod6 , all
diana_coman: Happy New Year!
BingoBoingo: Feliz ano. Fuegos artificiales were more intense for the new year, but much briefer in duration.
BingoBoingo: Ended up getting a mortar and shells arrangement for the hostel.
BingoBoingo: One or two blogposts incoming while memories are fresh to get the speller calibrated and then December ISP statement
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in olds, http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NOISE/NOISRC.HTM
shinohai: "A battery-powered consumer FM radio is placed in a metallic can as a shield. The radio is placed in monaural mode, and the output taken across one of the earphones. An appropriate level for the sound card is slightly audible a foot or two away. " :)
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/asado-fuegos-y-feliz-a-new-year-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Asado, Fuegos, y Feliz: A New Year In Montevideo
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/messy/ << Trilema - Messy
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13283.08, vol: 7421.80776092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13234.0, vol: 29025.14711491 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13595.0, vol: 2120.15220366 | Volume-weighted last average: 13263.2901738
mod6: hai
ben_vulpes: ohai mod6
mod6: how goes today?
ben_vulpes: pretty good, listening to raffi, working through ffa_ch4, tidying up some stuff for $work
ben_vulpes: what's up in mod6landia?
mod6: :] not much! catchin up on BB's blog & trilema.
mircea_popescu: what'\s a raffi ?
mod6: oh man
mircea_popescu: hey mobile46836
mircea_popescu: oops. mod6 !
mod6: howdy!
ben_vulpes: kidz toonz. "quack quack music please?"
mod6: that's pretty nice. the guy makes me want to stab pencils in my ears.
mod6: ring ring ring ring bananaphone. ding dong ding dong BANANAPHOOOOOOONE
mod6: ARRRGGGGH!
mod6 falls over
ben_vulpes: lol totally. i've finally leveled up in guitar to the point where i can pick some simple songs like this out, so i'm getting some background auditory training in at the same time
mod6: ah cool
mircea_popescu: wtf is a bananaphone
mod6: hahaha
mod6: don't listen to it.
ben_vulpes: i don't recommend it either
BingoBoingo: It's a contagious auditory infection, recommend against having it screened by one of the girls
ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists
mod6: lol
shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffHO2vsUBY << im trying to learn some damage plan
shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffHO2vsUBY << im trying to learn some damage plan
shinohai: y double? lol
ben_vulpes: shinohai: thats miles beyond my meagre sausage-wiggling skills
shinohai: sweeps are a much nicer method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAazjl7cypo
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/the-boingo-isp-december-2017-monthly-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP December 2017 Monthly Statement
BingoBoingo: December 2017 statement published, pls check for compliance to the standards at http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
BingoBoingo: Whether local fiat banking is acquired here or not, January 8th discussions will start with the datacenter on finalizing a package, signing contracts, and getting them paid and machines turned on.
trinque: BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own?
trinque: and where are your rate estimates at the moment?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762081 << 'it's CELLULAR, it's MODULAr, it's Interactivodular!111' (tm)(r)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 20:07 ben_vulpes: pretty good, listening to raffi, working through ffa_ch4, tidying up some stuff for $work
trinque: lol
BingoBoingo: trinque: The estimated rates here are still the estimates http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/
shinohai: I sell u juarez
trinque: BingoBoingo: if the "rest of the expenses" includes all business bootstrapping costs, are we getting shares?
BingoBoingo: And the expectation at the moment is either customers ship, purchase, or otherwise negtiate a machine. At this stage I am weary on the renting, because I don't know what an acceptable machine to rent out is given the proclivity of the lords.
trinque: or conversely, are rates expected to decrease as bootstrapping costs are recovered?
BingoBoingo: trinque: With the debt owed to mircea_popescu by the venture, I lack the arrogance to propose any sort of share arrangement at this time.
trinque: sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line.
BingoBoingo: Rates can be expected to decrease if network connectivity gets cheaper, or if two racks or filled they could start to go down on the volume of things.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, " I would have liked has on into becoming a fuctional as a person in Montevideo " <- ??
diana_coman: and if it gets to praying stage....
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty fxd
BingoBoingo: Well, it depends on where the prayers are going
diana_coman: what is the current bottleneck anyway? I can't seem to find it in clear in there or previous posts, am I missing something?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The current bottleneck is getting set up as a business with a bank account.
diana_coman: so the bank account? or creating a business? and why/what exactly in more detail?
diana_coman: I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong?
BingoBoingo: I found an accountant. They are insisting the government should have the paperwork approved soon, but they haven't been too forthcoming on details.
BingoBoingo: Then the bank account matter is something they've brought me in several times to fill out forms for.
BingoBoingo: The accountant is getting pressed this week over what exactly they have been paid for.
diana_coman: question is what leverage the press really has
trinque: can't grab one of those international amex accounts and pay the dc with that?
BingoBoingo: International amex account?
trinque: granted relying on external banking permanently is not ideal
diana_coman: honestly, it all sounds to me so deja-vu in the style of "soon" meaning anything at all but usually a loong time (possibly unless oiled) and forms to fill similar "hoops for no-connections person"
trinque: there are credit cards without foreign exchange fees.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Their standard contract specifies wires to Itau bank
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Hence the prayers
BingoBoingo: Of course it's possible the local department of approving papers has been stoned since the expocannabis and fucked off all of december for holidays
BingoBoingo: The voice in my head suggesting "Muy tranquilo could be code for lazy, and they get away with it by pointing across the river to Argentina" has started to get more weight this week.
BingoBoingo: brb, sobertime
ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/ << Trilema - Happy Mew Year's!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762101 << beatles is too pop anyway!!!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 20:26 ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get it, if you spent 2319 usd how can oooh i see, tangibles. so you had ~.51 worth of bitcoin is fiatola and ended with .2 worth of bitcoin in fiatola.
mircea_popescu: this seems right.
mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761935 issues.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 17:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762111 << it'll evidently need moar money to actually buy machines ; as uruguay is not specifically known as a center of iron production the machines will have to be shipped in anyway. so practically speaking, customer that is lazy/unconnected can definitely have machine produced for him, but if one's atop the game shipping his own iron hurts nothing.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762122 << it shall be fair!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:26 trinque: sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line.
mircea_popescu: at the time, pretty much the only possible firm answer.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762125 << ca apa sfiintita, nici tocmeste, nici nu strica.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:32 diana_coman: and if it gets to praying stage....
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762131 << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week ; in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:38 diana_coman: I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong?
mircea_popescu: rly/mid jan it should be coming out the other end, seals & decorations applied.
mircea_popescu: xmas-newyear combo in latin lands is at least 10 days worth of hole, they gotta firework these people.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762138 << wtf no, why would you involve the idiot empire in all this.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:42 trinque: granted relying on external banking permanently is not ideal
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762146 << basically california is fucked.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:58 ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level
mircea_popescu: then again illinois has been fucked for a long time.
trinque: how is "local bank" not idiot empire.
mircea_popescu: soberania!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758552 and all that.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
trinque: wasn't a long-term proposal, thought the guy was blocked on paying somebody. I'm sure BingoBoingo's moving things along.
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: well no, he still has what's left of a pile of cash
mircea_popescu: !!up BigTexasBingo
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: heh is that a googlephone ?
BigTexasBingo: It is, for checking news on the throne
BigTexasBingo: And I decided fuck it, time to learn some Portuguese. Apparently the Brasileras don't stick around all year
mircea_popescu: !!up chrono
deedbot: chrono voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Glad the spending tangibles thing was intelligible.
ben_vulpes: !!up revnja
deedbot: revnja voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: who are you, revnja ?
ben_vulpes: reads like "rev-en-ja", or "revenger" from here but that can't be right
revnja: i'm a guy that registered an rsa key with deedbot but for the life of me cannot get it to provide a challenge for voice
revnja: thanks for voicing me so i can inquire as to such
trinque: so inquire.
revnja: i have an RSA key registered, querying it with !!up doesn't provide me a challenge, deedbot just tells me I cannot !!up myself.
revnja: so my inquiry is what syntax do I need to utilize for the bot to voice me?
trinque: !!reputation revnja
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8dUV4/?raw=true
trinque: !!rate revnja 1 new blood
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c9WyE/?raw=true
trinque: !!v A854FA470A3A48A4104A089B152B131B10C950164F712A3FF16D9146307DC4C7
deedbot: trinque rated revnja 1 << new blood
trinque: revnja: you will now be able to self-voice. make good use of it.
revnja: thank you kindly
trinque: sure. introduce yourself
trinque: wd
revnja: i'm just a guy from alaska who found the website and the web of trust interesting
ben_vulpes: revnja: which website?
revnja: http://trilema.com/ and the deedbot/WoT site
ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty
revnja: one of many
esthlos: !!up
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QhvdW/?raw=true
esthlos: whoops
ben_vulpes discovered today that airpark hangars are not quite as dry as i'd expected
esthlos: http://notes.esthlos.com/notes/2018-01-01-ultima-ratio-regum.txt << an offering
ben_vulpes: dunno that i buy it, esthlos, the misery of enemies and the pleasure of their women is historically a pretty strong motivator
esthlos: ben_vulpes: I don't claim that people actually acted for the benefit of their lineage, but that they understood that they should
esthlos: as in, it's the only sane solution
ben_vulpes: why is it sane to stay in the drafty and mouldering ruin your family left and insane to go abroad plundering?
esthlos: what's insane is to do it all for yourself. plundering is fine
ben_vulpes: why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny?
esthlos: -ev ?
ben_vulpes: negative expected value

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