trinque: if an automatic manifest comprised of hashes of all items in project, it reduces to the $concatHashBefore and $concatHashAfter
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
trinque: ben_vulpes: huh, meanwhile node.deedbot.org is topped up without aggression and without 50400 setvernum.
ben_vulpes: gonna have to revert and watch, or provision a mess of boxen
mircea_popescu: aaand in other humanities : a. j. ayer was once in the livingroom of one fernando sanchez on west 57th st, hanging out with a buncha young hussies/models when one girl came arunnin' complaining that her friend was being assaulted in the bedroom. ayer went in, where he found mike tyson atop an obscure south london model. when the (at the time 70yo) oxford professor asked him to quit it, mike tyson wanted to know if he knows wh
mircea_popescu: o the fuck he is!!! ie, the world's heavyweight champion. ayer explained that he's the ex wykeham professor of logic, and since they're both pre-eminent in their respective fields, how about they indulge in discourse rather than intercourse. oddly enough tyson accepted, and naomi campbell slipped out -- apparently undamaged enough by the experience to actually do those not-even-terrible shots with madonna.
shinohai: Bon Voyage mircea_popescu .... enjoy!
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15700.09, vol: 14030.97103622 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15699.0, vol: 49838.33077808 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15916.9, vol: 3761.92367122 | Volume-weighted last average: 15711.3466183
BingoBoingo: Ah, such a gloriously obvious pattern emerges. Waterfalls when the banks are closed. Turns out the speed of the crashing is limited to a somewhat sane pace by the difficulty of getting rid of non-ecu fiat takens
BingoBoingo: Later today still more intense language and cultural immersion scheduled.
BingoBoingo: The accountant is giving me the expectation the the process of transforming my self into a business will compelete this week allowing bank access to follow soon after.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 05:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
diana_coman: !!v F86B917C8A985F0F4DEEA86779F31E186369CD2305830051D630044D5969FE5F
deedbot: diana_coman rated esthlos 1 << He seems to really want to learn.
deedbot: 2017/12/22 02:03:16 <esthlos> BingoBoingo: yes, I think it's time for that
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 15:57 asciilifeform: 12-02#1745723 )
phf: well, i'm thinking illumination, which has been sop for btcbase, but yes, since split happens on client anyway (i'm using ircii right now, and it annoyingly doesn't warn OR split)
phf: the other thing that i wanted to do is add xref for those inline quotes `phf: asciilifeform: grrrrr ... << kek` that people like to do
phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 21:21 ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism
phf: early tex papers knuth talks about putting this or that formula into macsyma, but then from some point he fully switches to mathematica. breaks me heart
phf: he did? i thought he uses mac, he posted his keyboard layouts
phf: he was using unix up until early 2000s, and then switched to mac (i think for old people reasons)
phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 04:34 asciilifeform: rmans really got to England my acquaintance of the Cafe Royal would soon have found his painting deteriorating, even if the Gestapo had let him alone. And when the lid is taken off Europe, I believe one of the things that will surprise us will be to find how little worthwhile writing of any kind -- even such things as diaries, for instance -- has been produced in secret under the dictators.'
phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
phf: we'll he's a millenarian, he's primarily documenting the fundamental findings of computer science
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: well, really, the problem has been discussed here many times, that you can't tmsr without wot. "successor" is just a special case of that, which, again, lacking mechanisms, is likewise lacking
BigTexasBingo: Anyways knuth problem seems insufficient threat of hambre
phf: asciilifeform: he did though, by making it very explicit that there can't be a successor.
BigTexasBingo: When I consider what the next right thing is, hambre or the threat thereof provides motivation to not be stupid and Windows
BigTexasBingo: Not much to do then except present carrot/stick/africa trilemma
phf: asciilifeform: well, be that lamport, or someone else, the memo wasn't missed, but made to disappear through consensus. everyone knows that there's only one TeX, but of course "modern" "tex" is latex with luatex engine, etc. etc.
phf: knuth managed to do a lot to keep tex what it is, given that he's essentially a pacifist academic. there aren't many other examples (common lisp, ada) where preservation has been taken to this extreme.
phf: relatedly, i managed to get latest version (jan 2014) version to produce a dvi out of tex.tex from first principles. i used someone else's port to gnu pascal
phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
jhvh1: shinohai: 104.25.54.39
deedbot: toohigh voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: hmm, dis ircii keeps losing connection and then not telling me anything. this like some girlfriend shit
lobbes: <asciilifeform> [19:42:10] in other vintage heathen lulz,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently. << "Before disappearing from any involvement in bitcoin, Nakamoto in a sense handed over the reins to developer Gavin Andresen" lol, didjaknow?
lobbes: but so it goes, those on that ship will 'unhappen' into their watery grave
deedbot: punto voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 15:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone intellectually honest still holds any notion that the prb crew is in any way working to fix or improve bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:14 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
mircea_popescu: not sure it's worth actually getting this anal, but w/e
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:19 asciilifeform: somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:20 phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
phf: nah, ircii is 1980s, 2.1.4 is 1990s release
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:27 phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:39 phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
phf: you can use ipad with a bluetooth keyboard!!1
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759236 << the problem is rather the ability to tell people [as a fine example, one's own sons] that they have failed miserably, and here's the small stiletto that'll wash somewhat of the miserable stain they placed on your name.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:48 phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
mircea_popescu: absent that... you're typing on a bluepad itooth regardless.
mircea_popescu: this very basic confrontation of cain is an utterly necessary, fundamental building block of respirable cosmos.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:49 asciilifeform: ( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form )
mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
mircea_popescu: i am convinced that all these useless foreigners had not an inkling of an idea that they're trading their ancestral land for the sack of shiny baubles, simply no conception whatsoever. "what, there's something wrong with codebase increase ?" they might ask, with all the endearing pathetism of well meaning senility, in the same tone as they might ask "where am i ? could you take me home ?", lost at a crowded crossroads.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:52 asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 01:51 mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
mircea_popescu: this is somewhat dubious. ww2 engagement not "sold ru resources ie mirvnik fat" but "invested" ?
mircea_popescu: and no, t-cell doth not perceive hiv virus, nor fish the polyp on its gills etc.
mircea_popescu: dog, maybe. then again dog eats shit does not perceive ascaris etc
mircea_popescu: this is an open issue. "on the pipe" also not voluntary txn
mircea_popescu: china HAD TO trade its mirvnik fat, and it's what powered its conversion from ~india to ~us.
mircea_popescu: russia idem had to. much less profitably, because turns out torturing your fellow countryman is better for the country than torturing the environment.
mircea_popescu: optimal investment in the other (as teh sartrean notion) is putting them into pain.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental counterintuitive coernerstone of civilisation : always better to beat the wife and children than to beat the walls and fields.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 18:06 phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 19:43 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 00:26 shinohai:
http://archive.is/EwgIC <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
shinohai: heh i got txt on screen, no video
phf: heh, i was prepared to be disappointed, but the op, as they say, delivered
mircea_popescu: real price of dollars is almost certainly 0.00000000 bitcoin, however.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let them "could be" and "we said to ourselves and then believed" and so on until the rapetruck comes.
mircea_popescu: not like there's any further utility in the fiatard lands.