ben_vulpes: bah wealth
ben_vulpes: 'tis another dagger in my belt.
ben_vulpes: this "orphans" routine though, i must say i love it.
ben_vulpes: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thank you sir
ben_vulpes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC << one of my favorite phones ever
ben_vulpes: i'm making a bacon and caramelized onion omlette
ben_vulpes: my thanks for your valuable insights.
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off for the eve.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kinda what i'm thinking
ben_vulpes: that something being a certain animated unicode set
ben_vulpes: something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units.
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: how fast does that number go up?
ben_vulpes: brutal.
ben_vulpes: so what's the plan? backport the magic 750 or discard all ahistoric blocks?
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's a steamer.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] mike_c: or anywhere else afaik. << http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/ << well that's damned interesting
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck leave it as an exercise for once
ben_vulpes: i also appreciate your willingness to beat sense into my skull.
ben_vulpes: no, i get it
ben_vulpes: you and your poo metaphors
ben_vulpes: they*
ben_vulpes: okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely
ben_vulpes: doomed << well, question answered
ben_vulpes: i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical
ben_vulpes: should blockchain dl be performed sequentially?
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes throws up his hands
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup
ben_vulpes: what praytell then are they?
ben_vulpes: omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998143 << for srs, asciilifeform. you'll want proofs of correctness and haskell-grade type systems next.
ben_vulpes: it's pathetic i tell ya
ben_vulpes: yeah i can sort of almost keep up even with my mom coming over with multiple bottles of bubbles
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998118 << constant refrain in fiatcorp: "no billing for poops! this isn't accenture."
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998091 << danielpbarron i require details of this assasination
ben_vulpes: oh fuck yes
ben_vulpes: mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail
ben_vulpes: anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds.
ben_vulpes: and that hardly counts as a requirement
ben_vulpes: you're a bird!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement
ben_vulpes: absolute terms
ben_vulpes: <jurov> [] i'll say more later << tenterhooks am i on
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: orphans pool?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dunno i think i've been covered in both more shit and more blood than on that day
ben_vulpes: wallow*!
ben_vulpes: wallo!
ben_vulpes: console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process
ben_vulpes: it is so very filthy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform how are you?
ben_vulpes: hello sir!
ben_vulpes: good evening!
ben_vulpes: isis taking off after the Kingdom?
ben_vulpes: mjokes my clock's an hour fast
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D
ben_vulpes: well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside
ben_vulpes: mk
ben_vulpes: do you get it?
ben_vulpes: !s darkcoin
ben_vulpes: lolrly?
ben_vulpes: !s potcoin
ben_vulpes: !s litecoin
ben_vulpes: !s monero
ben_vulpes: !s moner
ben_vulpes: !s altcoin
ben_vulpes: oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets
ben_vulpes: !up felipelalli
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: logs.bitcoin-assets.com
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: welcome back
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife?
ben_vulpes: (which obviously never happened)
ben_vulpes: i had people calling the bottom at 185
ben_vulpes: noice
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing
ben_vulpes: cannot abide.
ben_vulpes: i dislike them
ben_vulpes: fuck an nlocktime
ben_vulpes: also
ben_vulpes: it's malice! all malice, i tell you.
ben_vulpes: f'n pruning
ben_vulpes: f'n utxos
ben_vulpes: f'n wallets
ben_vulpes: davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node"
ben_vulpes: davout yeah i gotcha
ben_vulpes: mats: fuck reading
ben_vulpes: <davout> but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat
ben_vulpes: mod6: ^^
ben_vulpes: yeah looks great :D
ben_vulpes: yeah i've lost the btcd documentation
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.
ben_vulpes: mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thanks for the find
ben_vulpes: what is copyright?
ben_vulpes: blech
ben_vulpes: <davout> asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones"
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb
ben_vulpes: !unrate felipelalli
ben_vulpes: y'all are killin me
ben_vulpes: another thousand plus line day
ben_vulpes: okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao
ben_vulpes: indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.
ben_vulpes: !up happyfr0gg
ben_vulpes cracks the archive
ben_vulpes: i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
ben_vulpes: gtfo ghost is less than a week old
ben_vulpes: an argument i've no basis to contest
ben_vulpes: or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix
ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything
ben_vulpes: oh all *nixen are the same nao?
ben_vulpes: i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
ben_vulpes: how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
ben_vulpes: then..."ghost".
ben_vulpes: this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target
ben_vulpes: mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
ben_vulpes: although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback
ben_vulpes: OH GOOD EVENING
ben_vulpes: haw
ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
ben_vulpes: fucking hilarious jurov
ben_vulpes: sad story, mats
ben_vulpes: introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
ben_vulpes: stop messing with mod6's head
ben_vulpes: this is getting out of hand.
ben_vulpes: can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
ben_vulpes: and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.
ben_vulpes: not rocket surgery, this.
ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
ben_vulpes: some
ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
ben_vulpes: everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
ben_vulpes: everyone who's inclined is in.
ben_vulpes: webwallets do not count.
ben_vulpes: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps
ben_vulpes: !t h rent
ben_vulpes: ;;seen the20year
ben_vulpes: ;;seen mrstickball
ben_vulpes: you can rob a place with a...stick.
ben_vulpes: <punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed
ben_vulpes: ain't it da truf
ben_vulpes: <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
ben_vulpes: at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
ben_vulpes: oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
ben_vulpes: anything interesting in the logs today?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
ben_vulpes: mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?
ben_vulpes: but that's awesome
ben_vulpes: i was just joking, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: is this a thing you wrote?
ben_vulpes: seriously though, sounds great. can't wait to give it a whirl.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: systemd
ben_vulpes: HAND GUIDED router << anyone who works with power shapers knows better than to hand guide a router
ben_vulpes: victory goes not to those who are merely decisive of mind, but only to those who are also swift of action.
ben_vulpes: no sense putting it off.
ben_vulpes: again, best time to plant a tree.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: best time to plant a tree and all that
ben_vulpes: ah, sux.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: still have those keys?
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.gabriel_laddel.1:0fa2dead241f26026429deff8283cec0a1ab17b93ef5ece1fb5361eb7cfbe12a
ben_vulpes: !rate gabriel_laddel 1 not really new blood any more
ben_vulpes: !rate gabrial_laddel 1 not really new blood any more
ben_vulpes: neat stuff
ben_vulpes: care to talk a little more about this distro upon which you've been working?
ben_vulpes: glad to see your distro in channel
ben_vulpes: mlol i was talking to BingoBoingo, but same goes for you as well
ben_vulpes: how've you been? what've you been doing?
ben_vulpes: wb BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: meanwhile blizzard in nyc
ben_vulpes: must be spring
ben_vulpes: anyways, first sunny day in months and the hipsters set the badminton net up *smack* in the middle of the swamp
ben_vulpes: there's no price signal
ben_vulpes: how can one align to otc
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: smokes, let's go.
ben_vulpes: perhaps better would be a thing that connects to the network, slurps out unconfirmed transactions and poops that back out as the mining input...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i guess not in the spirit of modular design.
ben_vulpes: entirely unrelated, it strikes me that a full node should probably provide "getwork" type commands for miners
ben_vulpes: i've seen windows 3.1 in javascript...
ben_vulpes: abstractions atop abstractions...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 << also saw this this morning
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what about a cl node?
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoinfs/bitcoinfs << entirely unrelated. "full node" in f#, m$ "turdlang"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't they a grand investment for that generation?
ben_vulpes: last generation's boondoggle.
ben_vulpes: us road infrastructure is falling apart due to expense of maintenance.
ben_vulpes: something like that.
ben_vulpes: i want to actually crush some.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i have a notion of how diamond cutting works/ed
ben_vulpes: i've always wanted to crush some diamonds.
ben_vulpes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/americas-best-selling-cars-and-trucks-are-built-on-lies-the-rise-of-fake-engine-noise/2015/01/21/6db09a10-a0ba-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html << craaaaapflation
ben_vulpes ponders the notion of a self-leveling woman
ben_vulpes: scam
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like the self-leveling stuff
ben_vulpes: nothing
ben_vulpes: but whatever, irrelevant.
ben_vulpes: the guy does fireworks.
ben_vulpes: yeeeears go
ben_vulpes: the cars were at the guggenheim in nyc
ben_vulpes: yeah but fireworks!
ben_vulpes: he did the beijing olympics firework show iirc
ben_vulpes: well not the static piece in the middle of the goog lol no
ben_vulpes: suspended a bunch of cars right down the center of the place with flourescent tubes to evoke a fireworks show
ben_vulpes: saw a scad of his stuff at the guggenheim when i lived in nyc. rather fun.
ben_vulpes: "paints" with gunpowder between vellum sheets
ben_vulpes: did the beijing olympics
ben_vulpes: chinese explosives "artist"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you see cai guo-qiang's fireworks last night?
ben_vulpes: guten tag saboteure
ben_vulpes: and to all a good night!
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/01/25_what-does-it-mean-to-bitcoinate-and-just-as-importantly-what-does-bitcoinating-not-include.html
ben_vulpes: that's your bag not mine
ben_vulpes: feels good
ben_vulpes: first time in months
ben_vulpes: writing a thing
ben_vulpes: yowch
ben_vulpes: there he is
ben_vulpes: i can't wait for bandwidth to get expensive again
ben_vulpes: it just makes life so much worse when people show up and play youtube videos
ben_vulpes: i gave up on proper sound systems
ben_vulpes: nonono
ben_vulpes: no
ben_vulpes segfaults
ben_vulpes: how does the sound get into it?