trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat
BingoBoingo: gernika: The Phundnation client does something now called "headers first" which doesn't really verify much of anything
gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
gernika: or the opposite?
assbot: A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso )
ascii_field: whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox'
ascii_field: wtf is the point
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Explore the Web of Trust - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/
ascii_field: ^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:28; shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads
davout: jurov: tyvm for the comments
trinque: I'm not spending the amount of time necessary farting around with an rss module
trinque: I didn't get the list from scoopy
davout: trinque: no, i'm not sure, imma fish the logs to double check
davout: the deedbotting was me manually feeding it here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280994, i'm referring to blog feed not being reflected, am i missing something ?
jurov: and yes, with GPG the oauth is unnecessary
davout: the oauth thing?
davout: that also implements it, so publishing the RFC also communicates that serious liquidity sources are welcome to knock on our door
assbot: Harvard employee accused of spending $80k of the university's money to buy Legos and iPads - infoBlizzard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxia2V )
shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads
jurov: well then.. why explicitly rely on HTTP(S)?
davout: jurov: of course the idea is to actually implement it
shinohai: I loathe coinbase so 3 cheers to davout
davout: the idea is mainly to document stuff that's pretty obvious in order for the coinbase et al. derps to be unable to later claim invenshuns
davout: jurov: of the RFC? no
jurov: reminded me of the MP license :D
jurov: is the RFC confidentially public?
davout: shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield
asciilifeform: (a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...)
asciilifeform: don't forget the stereo.
asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.
asciilifeform: and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos.
asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:24:52; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.
assbot: Could The 21 Bitcoin Computer Centralize Bitcoin? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1je2DMv )
hdbuck: all about the title: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/21-bitcoin-computer-centralize-bitcoin/
punkman: though the stampede is kinda traditional
mircea_popescu: what, like pigeons from the hagia sofia ?
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:41:43; mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ?
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284333 <-- There is always an "enabler".
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284308 <-- not for me either. Keep AMA and FDA "medicine" far away from me please. I'll do whatever it takes to prove I'm not eligible.
davout: bitfinex's "updated calculation is more accurate thus removing the large variance in accuracy"
mircea_popescu: i'm mostly following his theory :p
cazalla: seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult
cazalla: i hear the same things from asciilifeform
cazalla: released last week, so i was tempted to actually go to the cinema, but of course.. not released in australia until next month
mircea_popescu: anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1
mircea_popescu: who else paints their snatch dogvomit green
mircea_popescu: provided they're not actually skinny guys...
punkman: davout, it does all the feeds now
davout: i agree on the food though
cazalla: well i wouldn't know anything of the sort but last i heard, it was all asians growing hydro
cazalla: obviously, nfi who votes for such rigged polls in the first place
cazalla: voted world's most livable city but really, the food is shit, the people are shit, the architexture is shit, the weather is shit, the soil is shit, the housing is shit stacked upon shit, the traffic is even shittier, it's shit
cazalla: davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying
davout: one of the first things I was told when arriving in melbourne was
davout: australia sounds like one of the worst fits for electric cars
cazalla: apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank
mircea_popescu: you kinda have to have the powerstations before you can really sell the cars i think
cazalla: apparently these are popping up in australia, remote area no less (Eurora, VIC - which is like 3 hours from Melbourne) yet i've never even seen on the road http://i.imgur.com/F89Wi8C.jpg
punkman: I get the usual page on archive.is root, weird
mircea_popescu: i get that on the root.
punkman: ah on the last bit.ly link, yeah I get that too
mircea_popescu: and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate.
mircea_popescu: anyway, who's the girl ? dja know 'er ?
mircea_popescu: "an army of the people!!11"
mircea_popescu: im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which.
mircea_popescu: i hope whoever's in charge of this got paid for being this fucking stupid, it just wouldn't do any other way.
mircea_popescu: and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg
assbot: Why is cpp-ethereum now calling their projects webthree? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQiUY )
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't be many here who would be in the position to buy em anyway
mircea_popescu: if you're that squeezed for margin you don't belong there anyway.
mircea_popescu: (mostly quoted for the part where the guy says you can tell the animal's disposition by its coat color.)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, sure, if anyone's looking to buy she-meat, in this side of the world, fine place to do it.
mircea_popescu: venezuela is one step ahead of argentina on the path of being the future of the united states.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.
mircea_popescu: i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker.
mircea_popescu: shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."
brg444: "The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number."
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Not everyone handles it the first time
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
asciilifeform: (will somebody PLEASE wake me up if they learn of an alternative to ada?!!!)
asciilifeform: just as there is no alternative to, e.g., ada
asciilifeform: pgp is just another one of those ancient workhorses that begs for the glue factory, but there is NO ALTERNATIVE to it
asciilifeform: but i won't, because the rfc is so retarded that it will kill your brain cells just by being told of it.
asciilifeform: (not only in the added complexity of a zlib decoder, but in the fact that a message's actual length remains unknown until your start shitting it out)
asciilifeform: (except that it very clearly adds structure of another kind)
asciilifeform: traditional whizzzdum is that it somehow improves seek00rity by making the plaintext less structured.
asciilifeform: yes, there is a 'do i want zlib' flag in pubkey, but EVERYONE here has it set.
asciilifeform: more or less the whole document.
asciilifeform: the third and all-encompassing atrocity of rfc2440/4880 is the idiot cruft pertaining to 'new' vs 'old' packet formats, the magical constants specifying largely antiquated block ciphers and hash algos, etc.
brg444: mircea_popescu: funny you mention iCEBREAKER, was just having a chat with him the other day as he was inquiring about b-a thinking I was already in seeing as regularly quote content from trilema/logs. will let him know about your "interest".
asciilifeform: one modulus, one key, as the gods intended.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they got 8gb blocks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, for instance, that there is nothing whatsoever preventing a galactic spam flood
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the protocol has to be restated and /me does not feel equal to the task
BingoBoingo: Well, that's rare then. Most people now seem to register and hopefully later fuck off to 6 months of lawgs
brg444: great, that was long time due. I do think I was closing in on the mandatory 6 months reading off the logs
brg444: well there we go
asciilifeform: it is possible in principle to write a provably-correct implementation of a subset of rfc4880, but the result is still horrendously ugly.
BingoBoingo: <brg444> GPG 1.2 on OSX 10.7.5 << The correct answer to this question was "Fuck you for asking" but since you raised the issue something in the 1.4 series may work better. GPG 2 is right out of the game.
asciilifeform: btw, for anyone else contemplating pgp, the retardation really flows from the protocol
punkman: asciilifeform: made some conflicting patches earlier and got the deconflict thing working
asciilifeform: or is this now 37th on the list of things-asciilifeform-has-to-write-in-ada
mircea_popescu: there was, at some point.
punkman: has anyone managed to register on the first try?
asciilifeform: weren't there gonna be a skstron for #b-a ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> would make sense for assbot to grab dpasted keys like deedbot did << word. the shitserver dependency is turning out to be a pain. for kakobrekla konsideration.
BingoBoingo: brg444: WHat ciphers did you use to generate the public key?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: WHat do you think happened to the Aztec, their Navajo slaves, and the liberal Cherokee?
brg444: attempting to submit from there gives me "error handling request. exception raised"
cazalla: BingoBoingo, sorta sad in a way but there aren't many abos left, all the drunks and petrol sniffers are at best half-caste
phf: punkman: clearly russia, and from what i hear it's still a common practice. taught me to always carefully observe the weighing. i also have a 100g weight that i sometimes bring with me, in istanbul at spice bazaar for example i ran into much disagreement about standards and measures. a less conspicuous trick is to weigh a litre of milk, or somesuch
cazalla: BingoBoingo, quit fat shaming me into losing the dad-bod
brg444: looks to be alive there? http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
BingoBoingo: Also Obolacation http://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/siu-president-says-school-reshaping-no-new-programs/article_e06dd0ad-13f5-57eb-be22-40ba585e7945.html
BingoBoingo: And still moar from the white trash beat http://thesouthern.com/news/local/pinckneyville-police-arrest-member-of-country-music-street-group/article_462eabff-2789-5649-8cb5-6efaf1b96631.html
BingoBoingo: punkman: Then change your browser
BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/news/local/dozens-support-confederate-flag-at-school-meeting/article_4d05f31b-5052-5a68-bf58-de4fa98a889b.html
punkman: "anyone old enough to remember the PopUp wars knows this ad crap won't stop until it breaks the web, and gets blocked by browsers." << except you can still get popups, because fuck browsers
punkman: "looks like the ad network I was using isn't going to pay me for the last 2 months of ads I placed on my site. Which kind of sucks."
mircea_popescu: somehow the same derps don't figure paying detracts from the quality of medical practice.
mircea_popescu: wasn;t this the argument against prostitution since forever ?
assbot: lol my thesis: Watching Disney movies is less fun when you pay... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjV6tP )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies << Host in Sinaloa datacenter
asciilifeform: thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: only if you regularly add units to keep up with diff << Then get four. You'll get at least 1 conf a month for a year
mircea_popescu: the case for owning one : you can in general expect your own tx to confirm in a month, n omatter what.
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 110000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 3 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 13 seconds
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as strategic mining.
asciilifeform: a (former) colleague of mine bought something quite like this, at the time i had access to a cabinet with 'free' mains current, let him plug it in. it blew out the breakers.
phf: it's a coop with whole foods prices, they have a truly weird selection of cashiers, working there for a discount. i'd say trader joes has prettiest cashiers here, but that's a far away truck just to talk to some hipster girls. might as well go to a bar
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is every bit the archetypical example of a sucker's game.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform but even in bulk that's 60 calories to the dollar. << Math is either off or FCS is now the expensive component of trash food
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you fuck, artists ?
BingoBoingo: HFCS wouldn't even be a big issue if it wasn't for the fact that fructuse doesn't respond to insulin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but even in bulk that's 60 calories to the dollar.
asciilifeform: recall the car full of rubbish ?
asciilifeform: in the form of various 'soda'
BingoBoingo: https://www.tacobell.com/nutrition/information << 430 calorie item on the $1 menue an this is about medium energy density pauper food
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there;s something amiss here.
mircea_popescu: im sure there's differences (iirc hfcs is about half fructose half weird), but they are not that significant
asciilifeform: ('chips' - or 'crisps' to other side of the ocean - are something like equal parts potato to synthetic rubbish.)
mircea_popescu: seems it's 60 callories to the dollar eh ? what 600.
mircea_popescu: at the usual 4 calories/gram,
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck do you price this shit now ? << same way sub saharan africans can buy anti-malarials that before gouging cost $13.50 a pop in USia
asciilifeform: i.e. the victi^H^H^H^Hchum^H^H^customers are typically folks to whom ~preparing a meal~ is a foreign concept
asciilifeform: the other thing folks outside of usaschwitz sometimes do not know, is that the cost of the materials of the 'food' is only half the story.
BingoBoingo: Now "Taco Bell" has a new flagship item selling for ~1 dollar/400 calories mostly textured soy protein, corn flour, and other corn
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you price this shit now ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co. << WHen I was there the actual "beef patty" seemed to be all beef though small. Just what part of beef...
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co.
BingoBoingo: In a McDonalds burger most calories come from the bun and its added sugar
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition. << Yhis
asciilifeform: it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition.
asciilifeform: 'complete meal' is not the best description here.
asciilifeform: they are almost inextricably linked.
asciilifeform: there is a good reason why the traditional stereotype in usa is that 'poor' goes with 'fat'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads << This 600-800 calories to the dollar is not an unrealistic target in USia
mircea_popescu introduces by reference the mortuary services piece.
asciilifeform: to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads
asciilifeform: recall that in usa, the most calorific 'food' (i cannot bring myself to call it food) is hands-down the cheapest.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so how do the fatties survive ? << Two years of leaching off family and then "blackface"
mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ?
asciilifeform: obese or whatever other p.t. barnum deformity alone doesn't cut it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are proper lumpens
mircea_popescu: well, people of the nordic system sorta-expect nordic system.
asciilifeform: folks outside of usadom rarely know just how much the handouts, 'safety nets', and other socialisms ~strictly~ exclude the non-lumpens.
BingoBoingo: Not really, Hulk movies are the super hero movies that don't make money
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with strychnine << Occasionally results in angry hulk rather than cadaver
mircea_popescu: even with the very steam-punk techno-nazis cyanide was not for everyone.
BingoBoingo: Prolly, but Michelle Obola will likely be president if there still is one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the time it is 'for me', it will consist of a complimentary cyanide
asciilifeform: it is strictly, strictly for registered members of the lumpen castes.
mircea_popescu: they get you for insurance fraud on top of whatever if you file later and it turns out you had moneys.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, you don't have to actually file.
mircea_popescu: it is 2.9 gb for the love of fuck.
BingoBoingo: The obamacare new medicaid rules keep wealth tests for the retired and prevent incomes above X from medicaid, but low earners of nearly any net wealth get new medicaid
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. I've done the chapter 7 thing myself about 5 years ago.
mircea_popescu: the last "normal american" that had any value left in him was ambushed on a highway cca 2003.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. Only for the retired. Incompletely employed eligible by default nao.
asciilifeform: all of the 'turkey-buying dollars' are to be vacuumed up.
BingoBoingo: Recent corporate medicine where available has been move employees to medicaid so state feels the pain instead.
mircea_popescu: but apparently the situation is degrading and every entry level project manager can do this now.
mircea_popescu: and this is the main problem here : for ~20 years, the president was a sort of priviledged class, allowed to burn pieces off the country.
asciilifeform: often this process takes the form of 'we will pay, but for amputation rather than treatment'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying << This many times "insurer" is or was payment handler for actual business's healthcare claims
mircea_popescu: the societal cost of that cocky 20yo handpuppet is comparable to what obama costs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla insurance has no option but to pay. << WIth the added danger that until Obola care came to all sorts of present evil could be vetoed by actual businesses
mircea_popescu: as a result, they'll be billed for a few millions, and react to it, gouging insurance prices by a few billion in a half decade.
asciilifeform: often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying
mircea_popescu: understand the evil of a 3 party system. the user has no say. the doctor decides if it's needed or not, doesn't care about the cost.
asciilifeform: cazalla: 'buy' is a flexible concept in usa. if you have 'health insurance', it gets milked out to its theoretical maximum, and then you pay (if you have lines of credit, will max'em out naturally)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well consider before the price spike in question med was going for $13.50 per pill in the US and about $0.035 elsewhere
asciilifeform: cazalla: this normally requires - at the minimum - multiple years of tax receipts proving indigence
mircea_popescu: granted it's a very difficult task because the issue is medicine (which is wordy by default) and the proposed jump somewhat distant.
asciilifeform: cazalla: you get ZIP from usg unless you are part of the blessedly indigent class
cazalla: do americans actually pay such prices or is it simply a case where end user pays $8.80 (as we do here) and the goverment/tax payer is fucked for the rest of it?
BingoBoingo: General question, did http://qntra.net/2015/09/fda-regulatory-overreach-allows-price-gouging/ seem to accurately capture the hypocrisy?
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I wish mpoe-pr was still there, btctalk was worth reading then. << I think most people here value her health too much. When she left the Fillipenis wasn't so bad. Now it is pretty much all aids
asciilifeform wishes there existed some other typesafe, statically typed language usable on a microcontroller
asciilifeform: in the bad way.
mircea_popescu: lol. btw, anyone remember the rubber duckling incident ?
mircea_popescu: eh, rubber duckling's more than the average dick.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly 10 oz or so. Less than a steak but more than the average dick.
BingoBoingo: I've seen the nick brg444 before though. Fuck you brg444 get in assWoT already. Also don't think I didn't see you shilling for 21's Po-Po plug.