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assbot: ciberaj comments on Whats going on in Venezuela (Economically)? Outsider asking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVc5Bv )
brg444: "The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number."
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.02 B (95%) on Yes, 0.58 B (5%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`980 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )
mike_c: yeah.. that's a good one
BingoBoingo: Already getting more bettors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00074259 = 34.0106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29085 @ 0.00075161 = 21.8606 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00075577 = 10.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44671 @ 0.00075463 = 33.7101 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8579 @ 0.00075168 = 6.4487 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14061 @ 0.00074259 = 10.4416 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."
mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE.
mircea_popescu: shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field.
mircea_popescu: i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker.
mircea_popescu: at first i thought she's tied up to that thing
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there.
mircea_popescu: venezuela is one step ahead of argentina on the path of being the future of the united states.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00075305 = 21.5372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, sure, if anyone's looking to buy she-meat, in this side of the world, fine place to do it.
cazalla: i imagine that is like buying a car mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: more like buying a mule.
assbot: So You Want to Buy a Mule? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Btn1 )
mircea_popescu: (mostly quoted for the part where the guy says you can tell the animal's disposition by its coat color.)
cazalla: white ones are higher maintenance too
mircea_popescu: eh, higher. what's it, 6% ?
mircea_popescu: if you're that squeezed for margin you don't belong there anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00074187 = 30.0086 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 , i'm seeing just about 1.2g memory footprint. how about yours ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't be many here who would be in the position to buy em anyway
mircea_popescu: kinda need an arizona or i guess australia ranch for that.
mircea_popescu: mule's kinda no good outside of scrub brush.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00075305 = 2.2968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br
assbot: Why is cpp-ethereum now calling their projects webthree? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQiUY )
mircea_popescu: ette Fiddler by betting on web 2.0 so why would any sane team with a good strategist not jump right into that toxic sludge pool!
mircea_popescu: and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg
mircea_popescu: i hope whoever's in charge of this got paid for being this fucking stupid, it just wouldn't do any other way.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which.
mircea_popescu: im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front.
mircea_popescu: "an army of the people!!11"
mircea_popescu: 80085 wuts ?
punkman: boobs
mircea_popescu: i only see two!
mircea_popescu: anyway, who's the girl ? dja know 'er ?
punkman: hmm google says "Velma chan"
mircea_popescu: lol bitpay's "free forever" nonsense lasted almost about a whole year.
mircea_popescu: and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup archive.is
gribble: archive.is is up
mircea_popescu: "Accredited Online University, Counter Terrorism Training"
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs.
punkman: works here
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm special.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2A0ZWZ2 << is that their ga code punkman ?
assbot: dpaste: 2A0ZWZ2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNtTli )
punkman: ah on the last bit.ly link, yeah I get that too
punkman: does it even archive direct image links?
mircea_popescu: i get that on the root.
punkman: I get the usual page on archive.is root, weird
mircea_popescu: are you seeing 128.199.255.85 or a diff server ?
punkman: 139.162.197.127 if I ping it
mircea_popescu: nope al;so dun work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00074169 = 39.3096 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: apparently these are popping up in australia, remote area no less (Eurora, VIC - which is like 3 hours from Melbourne) yet i've never even seen on the road http://i.imgur.com/F89Wi8C.jpg
cazalla: never seen one as in never seen a tesla irl
mircea_popescu: you kinda have to have the powerstations before you can really sell the cars i think
cazalla: apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank
davout: bonjour messieurs dames
davout: australia sounds like one of the worst fits for electric cars
mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.
davout: one of the first things I was told when arriving in melbourne was
davout: "don't like the weather? wait half an hour"
mircea_popescu: "if she's not blonde she prolly has aids" ?
davout: kek
cazalla: davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying
cazalla: voted world's most livable city but really, the food is shit, the people are shit, the architexture is shit, the weather is shit, the soil is shit, the housing is shit stacked upon shit, the traffic is even shittier, it's shit
cazalla: obviously, nfi who votes for such rigged polls in the first place
davout: cazalla: you guys do have good weed
davout: though :D
cazalla: well i wouldn't know anything of the sort but last i heard, it was all asians growing hydro
davout: i agree on the food though
cazalla: although you can always go to nimbim for mardigrass, lovely girls and all that http://tonylpartridge.com/2015/nimbin-mardigrass-2015/
assbot: Nimbin MardiGrass 2015 | Tony Partridge Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNxH65 )
davout: i stayed with an audtralian roommate, he was amazed that i actually cooked
davout: as in anything different than "open package, shove in mouth"
deedbot-: [Trilema] Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. - http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/
davout: deedbot- only does trilema.
punkman: davout, it does all the feeds now
davout: punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque
mircea_popescu: cazalla all those chicks are dressed ?
mircea_popescu: provided they're not actually skinny guys...
cazalla: seen better pics before, just can't remember where
cazalla: and fucking google thinks i'm searching for mardi gras
davout: can't unsee
cazalla: courtesy of google
mircea_popescu: seems australian alright.
mircea_popescu: who else paints their snatch dogvomit green
davout: i'd be tempted to ask "who paints their snatch in the first place"
mircea_popescu: well... they shave it, they butter it... might as well.
davout: butter ?
mircea_popescu: well yeah ?
mircea_popescu: fanny doesn't shea butter ?
assbot: 501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT08V )
mircea_popescu: anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1
davout: sounds like a plan
cazalla: anyone seen black mass yet?
mircea_popescu: nope, what is it ?
cazalla: johnny depp as whitey bulger
cazalla: released last week, so i was tempted to actually go to the cinema, but of course.. not released in australia until next month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27962 @ 0.00074283 = 20.771 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: australia is where they try out the nutty coercion schemes, not the entertainment.
cazalla: i hear the same things from asciilifeform
cazalla: seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult
mircea_popescu: i'm mostly following his theory :p
shinohai: Holy shit punkman, nice assets to wake up to >>> 03:52 +punkman
assbot: Oath Keepers Member: We’re Sending Armed Militia To Arrest Lawmakers And Obama ‘For Treason’ | FreakOutNation ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPyXfJ )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b7
assbot: zanetackett comments on [Daily Discussion] Wednesday, September 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Wm1k )
davout: bitfinex's "updated calculation is more accurate thus removing the large variance in accuracy"
davout: one doesn't just make that up
mircea_popescu: lol buttfinex still pretending ?
davout: it does have entertainment value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262950 @ 0.00075313 = 198.0355 BTC [+] {10}
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284191 <-- in related news "happy birthday" became officially not owned by evil. Not that any gcj user cares about that kind of "official" anyway.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 00:45:54; BingoBoingo: Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284308 <-- not for me either. Keep AMA and FDA "medicine" far away from me please. I'll do whatever it takes to prove I'm not eligible.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:32:26; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284333 <-- There is always an "enabler".
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:41:43; mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ?
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284439 <-- I had a dream y'all released a stack of 10 fresh coins
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 02:09:11; mike_c: BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69852 @ 0.00074266 = 51.8763 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: what, like pigeons from the hagia sofia ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31403 @ 0.00073981 = 23.2323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00073981 = 52.6005 BTC [-]
assbot: Junta Readies ‘Great Firewall of Thailand’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6mDJ )
assbot: Stampede kills hundreds at Hajj pilgrimage near Mecca - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6AKZ )
punkman: cranes fall, fire, now stampede.
punkman: though the stampede is kinda traditional
phf: locust next
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00073975 = 58.4033 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61023 @ 0.00073855 = 45.0685 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: "The best thing since the moth I ate yesterday"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00074018 = 8.4381 BTC [+]
assbot: Could The 21 Bitcoin Computer Centralize Bitcoin? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1je2DMv )
hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00073622 = 58.9712 BTC [-] {4}
hdbuck: ;;later tell brg444 glad you make it here :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76050 @ 0.00074069 = 56.3295 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13543 @ 0.0007407 = 10.0313 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:24:52; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.
asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever
asciilifeform: and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284619 << i have yet to encounter an actual person who used this feature.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:18; mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.
asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)
jurov: tesla should make much more than 200km at once on highway.. but i can imagine airconditioning on full blast is needed, too
asciilifeform: don't forget the stereo.
asciilifeform: (a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...)
jurov: lol 200w stereo? with vacuum tubes?
shinohai solves energy issues by using a steam turbine powered by tears of redditards forced to read #bitcoin-assets logs ....
davout: shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield
jurov: or farts
davout: thank you jurov
assbot: Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh7QF )
shinohai: Nice davout :D
jurov: is the RFC confidentially public?
jurov: (see first page)
jurov: reminded me of the MP license :D
jurov: speaking of him, surely you have cleartext version... << davout
davout: jurov: of the RFC? no
davout: the idea is mainly to document stuff that's pretty obvious in order for the coinbase et al. derps to be unable to later claim invenshuns
davout: and we had it in a drawer anyway, so might as well publish
shinohai: I loathe coinbase so 3 cheers to davout
jurov: so you don't actually implement it?
davout: jurov: of course the idea is to actually implement it
davout: but to do that you need another liquidity source on the other end of the tunnel
jurov: well then.. why explicitly rely on HTTP(S)?
jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style
assbot: Harvard employee accused of spending $80k of the university's money to buy Legos and iPads - infoBlizzard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxia2V )
davout: that also implements it, so publishing the RFC also communicates that serious liquidity sources are welcome to knock on our door
davout: jurov: where does it say https?
davout: the oauth thing?
jurov: it says "POST method" which is HTTP-only thing
jurov: and yes, with GPG the oauth is unnecessary
davout: ah yeah, http APIs are assumed
davout: you're probably right it's not really necessary
davout: if you leave comments on the blog post i'll compile them all in the next version
davout: jurov: ^
davout: hdbuck: yeah, i saw this one on /r/buttcoin
davout: it's not very new, and obviously completely braindamaged
hdbuck: davout french made ;)
davout: yep
assbot: Christian Grothoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxje78 )
davout: and that'll be it
phf: hdbuck: there's a taler thread in the logs, with predictable conclusions
hdbuck: phf thx, predictable conclusions indeed
trinque: davout | punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque << http://deedbot.org/deed-375472-1.txt ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxk6Zp )
davout: the deedbotting was me manually feeding it here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280994, i'm referring to blog feed not being reflected, am i missing something ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 13:52:40; davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0007407 = 4.0368 BTC [+]
trinque: davout: oh gimmeh teh rss
davout: it used to werk!1
trinque: what a world
trinque looks at log
trinque: deedbot-: feeds
deedbot-: Feeds:
deedbot-: 1. http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
deedbot-: 2. http://qntra.net/feed/
deedbot-: 3. http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss
deedbot-: 4. http://nosuchlabs.com/rss
deedbot-: 5. https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/
trinque: davout: you sure that wasn't scoopbot before?
jurov: um.. looks like explo.yt fell out, too?
jurov: dunno if it was scoopbot
davout: trinque: no, i'm not sure, imma fish the logs to double check
trinque: gimmeh teh rssessss!
trinque: I didn't get the list from scoopy
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
davout: trinque: you're right, deedbot- never had it
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
deedbot-: http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 added.
trinque: barf of 5 posts incoming
davout: deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/
assbot: fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/
assbot: fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )
deedbot-: http://fr.anco.is/feed/ added.
davout: nice-u
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF March 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF April 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/05/02/F.MPIF-April-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF July 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/08/02/F.MPIF-July-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR June 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-june-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR July 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR August 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-august-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR September 21st statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-september-21st-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] Socialisme ordinaire - http://fr.anco.is/2015/socialisme-ordinaire/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC - http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10601 @ 0.00073518 = 7.7936 BTC [-]
jurov: it should ignore old entries...
trinque: I'm not spending the amount of time necessary farting around with an rss module
trinque: it does that once, and now you know what it missed :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37999 @ 0.00073436 = 27.9049 BTC [-] {3}
davout: jurov: tyvm for the comments
mike_c: trinque: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ it's not dead, i swear
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
mike_c: what, it doesn't check for l1 and allow? ;)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284828 << 'quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' (TM)
ascii_field: ^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world
jurov: ascii_field: you have seen how much they ask for the original?
ascii_field: not in recent years
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
deedbot-: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ added.
assbot: Amazon.com: LEGO Duplo My First Set (5416): Toys & Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxnIKZ )
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Why is Bitcoin Crashing?! - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/why-is-bitcoin-crashing/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Hot Slanted Bets - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/hot-slanted-bets/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Get Your Bitcoin News Widget - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Explore the Web of Trust - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/
jurov: ^ just a gateway drug of 33 pcs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00073317 = 48.1326 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: trinque: grazie
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.37074690 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5791 @ 0.00073829 = 4.2754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59271 @ 0.00073316 = 43.4551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00073274 = 24.1284 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: DSLinux - Linux for the Nintendo DS ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeKnTl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00073829 = 36.2131 BTC [+]
assbot: Give Google Contributor a try ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeLiDk )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0007325 = 25.784 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 18:01:09; shinohai: http://dslinux.org/
ascii_field: wtf is the point
trinque: maybe easier to port emulators?
ascii_field: why would you port to ~that~
shinohai: not sure realy, for a playthng or hobby i guess
ascii_field: whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox'
trinque: haha
shinohai: Kinda like pogo
shinohai: height 324217
ascii_field: pogo is something quite like an actual computer
ascii_field: and is cheap
ascii_field: the nintendo is the exact opposite.
shinohai: but i can't do anything with it much yet :/
shinohai: Makes a nice irc server :D
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assbot: A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso )
gernika: is the foundation client known to be slower syncing than the phoundation client?
gernika: or the opposite?
punkman: gernika: it does throw away blocks arriving out of order
gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
jurov: gernika how much ram did you have?
BingoBoingo: gernika: The Phundnation client does something now called "headers first" which doesn't really verify much of anything
gernika: jurov: This account is allocated 2gb - seems to be using about 1.4GB
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat
assbot: Putin opens Moscow's largest mosque, warns against extremists| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyr7uf )
assbot: Putin plans air strikes in Syria if no U.S. deal reached: Bloomberg| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyrchv )
assbot: Russia may put missiles in Kaliningrad if U.S. upgrades nuclear arms in Germany: Interfax| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiNUKk )
trinque: another lovely day in US-Russian relations
mike_c: kakobrekla: how do you feel about adding an Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to w.b-a.link?
kakobrekla: why do you need that?
mike_c: Cross origin ajax request
mike_c: I was going to add an ajax search of the user page to the 'not found' btcalpha wot nick search page
mike_c: would rather not do it server-side to reduce dependencies
kakobrekla: try if works
mike_c: it does, thanks
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mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/
assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiU7G6 )
mike_c: thx to kako for rapid server change.
kakobrekla: o good job
assbot: Almost 10,000 Syrians have registered to live in a country that might not exist - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxKnH3 )
jurov: liberland lives!!!
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deedbot-: [Qntra] India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel - http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00073367 = 37.1237 BTC [-] {6}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears - http://qntra.net/2015/09/eyewitness-people-walking-out-of-bitpay-office-in-tears/
punkman: I was hoping for a photo :(
BingoBoingo: punkman: Some may be coming
BingoBoingo: Wanted to commit the report to the textual record as soon as possible
Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business…
BingoBoingo: Because like CoinDesk is going to have a friend in Atlanta walk by the BitPay offices to take in the rumoured slaughte
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: It really is
BingoBoingo: BitPay is/was the non-retarded retail alternative to CoinBase
Pierre_Rochard: from the public info I read, they’ll continue with a skeleton crew, could make a turnaround if there’s a bubble soon :/
phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. both t. and ultimate) are allowed
phf: to misbehave, idle however long and send data as large as they want. what's not implemented: prioritizing trusted nodes over others during node selection: you might still lose connection by natural means, in which case -addnode nodes will be dropped, and a standard node selection mechanism is used. the patch so far is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/155710. i'm thinking that ultimate vs. trusted distinction might be unnecessary. i would
phf: appreciate any comments on the subject.
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jurov: phf if you recall alf had some kind of middleman problem.. and this won't help
BingoBoingo: !up StringMiller
jurov: !up RH311ish
phf: jurov: this is in reference to this conversation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256535
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 15:45:26; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
phf: one way it might help with ascii's problem specifically though is that your client will patiently wait for ascii's node, even though there might be periods of time where it would otherwise be completely unresponsive.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
phf: -connect based nodes in large avoid this problems because there's a mainloop that keeps adding same -connect supplied addresses over and over again, so even if elsewhere it's decided to drop the node, it'll be added and reconnected again on the next iteration. never the less a connect node can still be banned for misbehaving, which is something that his patch prevents from happening
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << trust without public key authentication of ENTIRE transmission is a waste of time !!
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot
ascii_field: will say this again, 'trusting' ip p.q.r.s is IDIOCY
ascii_field: usg can and DOES mitm transmissions.
punkman: you could make bans on "trusted" nodes expire sooner
ascii_field: waste of time.
phf: punkman: that specific loop can be closed much easier by checking for -connect during misbehave report and bailing
ascii_field: phf: all this will do is that you will waste cpu cycles on peers who are getting packetdropped by usg
ascii_field: (all of the mitm against my nodes has taken the form of vaguely plausibly-deniable packet dropping and delay)
ascii_field: strategic, incidentally, in that it did not trigger 'misbehave' listing on my end
phf: misbehave is only triggered when counterparty sends malformed, but still recognisable packets, so that would be a much more noticeable attack
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284966 << headers-only sync is not sync. the phoundation client is not a bitcoin implementation and hasn't been for ages. on the other hand, a box that takes 3 weeks to sync FROM EATBLOCK ON DISK has something seriously wrong with it.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 19:30:42; gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
ascii_field: get a real computer somewhere ?
phf: where's packet dropping and delay results in a no-consequences disconnect, similar to that "no activity in first 60 seconds"
ascii_field: and, importantly, wasted time
ascii_field: as no useful activity can take place while this hangs
ascii_field: because the whole thing was written by the profoundly retarded
phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"
ascii_field: the correct recourse is crypto.
ascii_field: and for 'trusted' peers, in the above sense, to be ones where all comms in both directions are authenticated.
ascii_field: as in rsa-signed.
BingoBoingo: !uo i-dont-know2
BingoBoingo: !up i-dont-know2
ascii_field: mircea_popescu once alluded to a dirty ad-hoc implementation of this by chinese operators, where nodes had vpn links to one another
gernika: ascii_field Thought it was real - 32 GB ecc ram, opteron 4226.
ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer.
ascii_field: gernika: and you were syncing from what?
ascii_field: as in, where did the blocks fed to 'eatblock' come from ?
gernika: both yours and mp's nodes.
ascii_field: in real time ?
ascii_field: i am asking ~specifically~ how the thing was put together
ascii_field: the correct way to use eatblock is with dumpblock coming from an already synced LOCAL node.
ascii_field: this does NOT take 3 weeks on my hardware.
ascii_field: more like 3 days.
gernika: Right. So I made it to 368xxx and got stuck on the large block syncing from one of your nodes over the network. I then (probably) had a bad shutdown and corrupted the db. I then used eatblock to sync from what I had on disk up to that point.
ascii_field: stuck?
ascii_field: as in, didn't have the bdb locks fix patch applied ?
gernika: wedged - due to not having the patch yes
ascii_field: then burn the whole thing & start over
ascii_field: let me guess, of the 3 weeks, most of the time was spent wedged ?
gernika: The node was not on the network, it was just eating from disk. It did not appear wedged, just processing one block after another.
ascii_field: but was the entire blockchain already present on disk to be eaten?
ascii_field: what i am asking is, did it at any point spend time waiting for an edible block to appear on disk.
gernika: Yes it did. I did not dump all.dat files at once. I would dump one, eat through it (in about 24 hours), then dump the next.
ascii_field: how much time spent on the dumps ?
ascii_field: (as distinct from the eating)
gernika: a couple of minutes.
ascii_field: the other important question is whether the node being synced was also accessing the net at the time
ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation)
gernika: It was started like this bitcoind -myip=x.x.x.x -caneat -datadir=/home/gernika/.bitcoin-8-14/
phf: gernika: you know if the addr db empty? if you did a connect with that node at any point, it'll have a populated address database and start connecting immediately on startup
phf: i don't have intuition for complete eatblock time, but 3 weeks does sound like surprisingly long time, even with all the checks enabled
gernika: It might not have been empty. That said, I didn't see the noise in the logs I would expect to see if it were connected to another node.
phf: ah, word
shinohai: phf what are u running again?
phf: shinohai: what's the context?
shinohai: oh, o.s.
phf: shinohai: mac os x
shinohai: O.o oh
BingoBoingo: reddit is awfully butthurt https://archive.is/XU83T
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shinohai: ^___________________^
phf: shinohai: what prompted the question?
shinohai: I was reading your conversation with gernika in logs, was only curious
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brg444: about bitpay, can't say they don't doesn't deserve what's happening to them :/ they're part of the reasons why we have a trove of redditard today who think everyone and their grandmother should be using BTC for retail purchases...
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Editor Under Fire - http://qntra.net/2015/09/4274/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.24 B (57%) on Yes, 7.84 B (43%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`567 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzg83A )
mircea_popescu: almost even odds by now ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Looks like it is just you and the smaller MPIF share betting on trump so far with everyone else offering odds
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284785 << pay BACK the VCs ? da fuck's wrong with you!
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 13:50:30; hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.
mircea_popescu: you don't pay the credit card, you move the balance on a bigger credit card. duh.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:13:39; asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever
mircea_popescu: and yes it will have to be redone if nothing else then for that reason.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284802 << how fast do you expect to go in traffic ? 200W should be enough at the 1mph speed provided your bearings aren't made out of clay.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:20:54; asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284827 << he has a point. the notion of putting http in there but then going "The settlement part isn’t covered by the document, for the pretty simple reason that settlement is a business matter, not a technical challenge. It would also vastly complicate everything." is pretty wild.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:14; jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style
mircea_popescu: if you are going to put something, put pgp. not pki, and in no case http for a stateful machine.
mircea_popescu: ("https" is not a thing. it's a flavor of usg-pki. burn it.)
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mircea_popescu: also the correct way to handle this is through some sort of repo agreement. "A agrees to receive any sums from B throughout today, Sept 25th, and remit no later than by Sept 26th, at 8:00 gmt at address so and so a sum of btc equal to : the sum of btc received ; plus the sum of X currency received divided by Vx ; plus the sum of Y currency received divided by Vy ; plus [etc]."
mircea_popescu: this way B can send any payments its customers want, and A will idem send whatever payments its customers want, and at the end of the day the whole balance is BTC settled at the agreed upon price and that's that.
mircea_popescu: it can just be published as an item, you don't even need a "connection" between the two.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the pin of the association of plastic surgeons from lima, peru depicts as a logo a stylisized cunt.
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mircea_popescu: last fucking place you want the dudes to get involved, the cunt and the other set of labia.
mircea_popescu: hands off the functional parts, yo! stick to tits and hips and whatnot
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: It's nice that they put that warning up there
BingoBoingo: "Don't get anesthesia in Peru, They mess with the functional parts"
mircea_popescu: "Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them."
mircea_popescu: lol stalinism survived, huh.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 20:23:18; mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/
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mircea_popescu: notrly news is it ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, "Trend Piece" aka not news that sneaks into the news
mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: “You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++’s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety can be validat
mircea_popescu: ed by tools that should soon be available as open source.”
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform, "experts at Morgan Stanley" fixed the world!
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BingoBoingo: Seems Stroustrup really went senile
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:27:23; Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business…
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << what abgout the idea of eulora on macos!11!!
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot
mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: you gotta meter what txn they pass you and score them.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's already done! afaik ben_vulpes and gernika both have a mac built using my approach
mircea_popescu: didja publish it ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285041 << we can already do this using iptables like god intended. it didn't practically help in the field if you recall.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:54:55; phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:57:49; ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer.
mod6: oh speaking of eulora, is the new version out?
mod6: nice :]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 22:12:13; ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation)
mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.
mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
mod6: so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
assbot: Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )
mod6: this way when one clicks on a node in the directed grap (from before), it takes you to the actual vpatch. anyway...
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mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.
mod6: so for instance, I've made http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/TEST2.manifest, so far unsigned as its just for testing my code for a minute here..
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm6wk )
mod6: not found? wth
mircea_popescu: i think this is the correct approach. also i like it.
phf: mircea_popescu: i did not publish the instructions, i will update http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X
assbot: OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )
mod6: So I added subroutines to pull all patches, wots and seals from the foundation site, and/or audit what's already local by checking the local vpatch hashes against the manifest.
mod6: or you can pull individual patches if one likes.
mircea_popescu: phf you gonna get in game to get your pile of woooly shrooms ?
mircea_popescu: spiffy mod6
mod6: (incase there are patches added to the site webdirectory that are not included in the release manifest)
mod6: thanks :]
mod6: also, i'm leaving some room here for mirrors.
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phf: mircea_popescu: yes, once i do the publishing
mod6: we could have a signed list of mirrors in the same location as the manifest so that there is some redundancy
mod6: anyway sorry for the verbosity, thanks for listening. just wanted to see if I was on the right track before I get too far along.
mircea_popescu: seems lovely mod6
mod6: ty, having fun building it. :]
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285158 << this picture is not correct. 'locking' here refers to literal lock, the global big fat lock in bitcoind, the one that makes it only pseudo-multithreaded on account of just about every major routine hogging it
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:22:51; mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.
mircea_popescu: it does fucking lock the io somehow.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz - consider a lock as analogous to an airplane toilet door)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd
asciilifeform: but this is a separate thing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 !
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.
mircea_popescu: yeah but they were "oh, you know what, sigs for THIS really need to be dependably known"
mircea_popescu: sort of design-by-accident approach
asciilifeform: perhaps.
asciilifeform: but it is gnarly and broken.
asciilifeform: and no less so than if it had been designed to be.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285135 << it is also, to borrow a naggumism, theoretically ~possible~ for a mountain of garbage to lack a single fly.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:13:17; mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: “You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++’s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety
mircea_popescu: in any case : one of the things i'd like to see is non-familiar stuff.
mircea_popescu: !s cramer-shoup
assbot: 9 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2013#333713 << first mentioned here almost two years ago to the day
assbot: Logged on 28-09-2013 09:10:42; mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramer–shoup more widely usedf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am very much leaning towards scriptable crypto.
asciilifeform: as in bitcoin's script.
mircea_popescu: i saw it in the logs. i dun know what to say of this as of yet.
asciilifeform: it CAN be implemented correctly.
asciilifeform: this means, almost inescapably - ada. with proofs.
asciilifeform: probably i am doomed to do this.
asciilifeform: (the set of mathematical operations used in crypto is quite limited, well-defined, and does not require a turing-complete interpreter to fully encompass.)
asciilifeform: the specificity-of-diddle 'theorem' more or less demands this approach.
asciilifeform: see also
asciilifeform: !s no formats no format wars
assbot: 9 results for 'no formats no format wars' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+formats+no+format+wars
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/ <<< ahjahaha check it out, buttcoin crew is confronted with a dilemma between their own stated goals and their own mental capacities.
assbot: Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTnNtX )
mircea_popescu: o noes, you lose.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285144 << the thing spoken of, i think, was the annoying tendency of every isp we sit down on to molest the packetz
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:17:01; mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.
asciilifeform: (or the backbone, if you like, molests. i don't care who. there is exactly one pill against this.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i get it, you want encrypted channel for bitcoind
asciilifeform: more importantly, authenticated.
asciilifeform: bitwise.
mircea_popescu: it adds overhead.
asciilifeform: 'thou shalt not add, neither shall thou take away' - that kind of thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we spend so much time waiting on i/o that cpu is largely idle.
asciilifeform: measure it.
mircea_popescu: well the chinese surely do.
asciilifeform: the illusion of cpu-boundedness really comes from the idiot serial-verify of block tx-en
asciilifeform: there is absolutely no reason for it save the fact that i have not had personally the time to shoot it in the head
asciilifeform: (the pill is to spawn p+1 threads, where p is cpu count, and parcel out verification jobs to the workers)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#973977 << check it out, we can truly be a cult now.
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 03:09:44; mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.
mircea_popescu: we even have a prophet.
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp ~what~ they spent it on
asciilifeform: why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ?
mircea_popescu: you're not a businessman, so how would you.
asciilifeform: i'm not a violinist either. but i understand how strings make sound...
mircea_popescu: (hint : they spent it ALL on trying to give people just like you the illusion that mansions, and lizard hitler.
mircea_popescu: just like the spam "mmwys" kids spend it all on trying to give other jerky teenagers the illusion that "mmwys".)
asciilifeform: !s mmwys
assbot: 0 results for 'mmwys' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mmwys
mircea_popescu: make money while i fuck your sister.
mircea_popescu: or thereabouts.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285161 << i once suggested, iirc, 'rsync'. the beauty of 'v' is that it does not really matter ~how~ you marshall the bits around, given that every operation verifies every single bit of your tree.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:25:01; mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ? << Their office is literally around the block from a hooters knockoff that does pizza instead of wings. They spent on location
asciilifeform: rsync would need a pre-write hook so that it only accepts 'push' attempts that end up sig-verifying
asciilifeform: but other than this, unmodified
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but why did it even need a physical office ?! the only possible explanation is mircea_popescu's...
asciilifeform: (chumpatronic engineering)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Needed physical office for stotting
BingoBoingo: Have dollars will rent
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i sign on gavin's dumbass "proposal", it's directly obvious to anyone what happened.
mircea_popescu: if gallippi wants to play the adult and "sign declarations", what's that mean ?
mircea_popescu: gotta have something. what he got ?
mircea_popescu: "some bum said some things nobody card about" ? he doesn't want it to be like that.
mircea_popescu: he wants to pretend he's sorta kinda like me, were i to exist (which i don't, OOOOBVIOUSLY). so...
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285169 << the way i suggested doing it is to avoid having multiple classes of signed objects. manifest for a release would be merely another kind of patch - one that simply takes every leaf that is to form part of the release head, and add a comment to the top of the file, 'REL-xxx.' this auto-gloms the leaves into a single patch 'handle', think about it.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:27:12; mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 after this, anyone who wants to build THAT release merely needs to 'grab' ~that~ patch and 'v' does the rest.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this property of a system is called 'orthogonality'
asciilifeform: it is the thing children like about 'lego'
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: rent wasn’t actually that much, ~3 people’s salaries. Employed ~70 people
asciilifeform: there is precisely 1 kind of thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought he just meant signing patches.
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Interesting. I would have thought nice place downtown in the cool area would have cost more.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, thanks for your input/thoughts there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understood it, he was speaking of signing manifests
asciilifeform: but this way, a release is simply a vpatch that adds a 'this is part of such-and-such release' comment to a set of files in such a way that the desired leaves are brought into the release.
mircea_popescu: no, just make a special patch (for historical reasons called a manifest) that does exactly what you describe
asciilifeform: then yes.
mircea_popescu: well it's what i read anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you don't understand. it's not the place that's cheap
asciilifeform: this way, no one who wants to get a release ever needs to do anything but ordinary operation of 'v'.
mircea_popescu: it's dumbass "employees" doing nothing that are EXPENSIVE
Pierre_Rochard: ^^^ that
asciilifeform: no screwing with pgp separately, no untarring, etc.
mircea_popescu: could have had a stable of indians doing the same job for 1.5% of the cost and 0.0x% of the liabilities.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they had a stable of indians also
mod6: right, i want the sync mech to work inside of the bounds of V.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps they fucked madonna as well.
mircea_popescu: what's it do for them ?
Pierre_Rochard: asciilifeform: no indians, a few argentinians (great devs fwiw)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually very common in usa software shops. indians produce mountain of horror, and then a handful of other people - clean it
mircea_popescu: yeah, great devs.
mircea_popescu: they sit around and talk a splendid talk.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 11:28:01; mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.
mircea_popescu: except no big tits, no nude at home, and no eating dogfood. just, derpage and pretense.
asciilifeform: i confess to having wondered if anyone in .ar writes software
mod6: ok so. release vpatch would be creating a new vertex that has edges coming from the current leafs.
mircea_popescu: they mostly like to write ~about~ things.
mod6: am I understanding that correctly?
asciilifeform: mod6: correct
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: I know JS & a mobile wallet are anathema here, but they shipped Copay: https://github.com/bitpay/copay/graphs/contributors
assbot: Contributors to bitpay/copay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5ViUl )
mod6: ok neat-o
mod6: i like it.
asciilifeform: mod6: same topology as the hook of a mesh bag
asciilifeform: one point by which you 'lift' the whole mess.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard yes, there are some passible webdevs in argentina.
mod6: sure, makes sense
mod6: appreciate the input here, im gonna ponder this for a bit.
mircea_popescu: sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss 2 points 58 minutes ago This is sad, and it's just a shitpost from Mircea the Rapist's QNTRA << check it out, sciencehatesme.
mircea_popescu: are you fat, yo ?
mircea_popescu: "Moving along, this document is document ."
mircea_popescu: ahaha cazalla that qntra ascii thing is the lulz.
assbot: bitpay/foxtrot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpFCV )
assbot: Get Bits: Get bitcoin from your friends. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpEyE )
mircea_popescu: anyway. all the derps that wanna say things about how a non-bitcoin company's management reflects poorly on anything but the well known, amply documented and oft discussed ineptitude of the VC circus : feel free to suck a cock.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00073439 = 30.1834 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Bitcoin payments pioneer BitPay raises record $30M in Series A led by Index Ventures | Index Ventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpPdl )
mircea_popescu: im kinda sad nobody bought their shares, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: With total accumulated investment reaching $32.7M, BitPay has now raised more venture funding than any other bitcoin startup. << this is drastically false.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49058 @ 0.00073174 = 35.8977 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The problem of too much money on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5WmaJ )
mircea_popescu: you can't have a venture without a ceo.
mircea_popescu: and this doesn't mean, pick up your hair artist best friend and promote him.
mircea_popescu: !rated crescendo
assbot: You have not rated crescendo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26361 @ 0.00073842 = 19.4655 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !rate crescendo -1 Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.crescendo.-1:2aea276f4b159d2520ba164116a6cbd83cc0b987fb7d716a7c0578da4f9d1feb
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for crescendo with note: Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.
assbot: Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzS1qA )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, pdf reads better as it is clear where the blackouts are (everywhere), perhaps i should've taken screencaps instead
mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's good as is.
mircea_popescu: let them fucking explain where the words went, what do you care.
assbot: CoinDesk - Page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTqX0O )
assbot: Bitcoin Processor BitPay Reduces Staff in Cost-Cutting Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTr0tl )
mircea_popescu: check it out, they learned how to link !
mircea_popescu: in other news, the "strategic superiority rehash" thing is like the most read trilema article. i don't think this ever happened before for a day old item.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285365 << !! where do i pick up my airworthy pig !?
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 02:33:13; mircea_popescu: check it out, they learned how to link !
asciilifeform did not expect to live to see this
asciilifeform: also there is not yet the obligatory 'bitcoin died!!!111' nyooz piece! what witchcraft is this.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz from same fishwrap,
asciilifeform: 'To set up the KeepKey wallet, users need to install a Google Chrome extension on their browser.'
asciilifeform: for the love of god, montrezor!!!11
cazalla: asciilifeform, i'd say someone slipped it past the editor and it will later be removed
mircea_popescu: should be funny then, because https://archive.is/Xhemn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074057 = 12.3305 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: for the lulz : http://dpaste.com/3VDEQ9W << this is how a pageload looks on that site. three fucking pages worth of crap.
assbot: dpaste: 3VDEQ9W ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5YGP2 )
asciilifeform: 'KeepKey is actually a fork of the Trezor project. We have maintained compatibility through development, and are compatible with Trezor v1.3.3.' << l0l
asciilifeform: have a glass of amontillado !
mircea_popescu: a.disquscdn.com ; api.coindesk.com ; api.tumra.com ; as.ebz.io ; asset.pagefair.com ; b.scorecardresearch.com ; cas.criteo.com ; cdn.taboola.com ; d3ewslr5655zon.cloudfront.net ; hello.myfonts.net ; i.skimresources.com ; loadus.exelator.com ; partner.googleadservices.com ; pixel.quantserve.com ; tpc.googlesyndication.com ; www.google-analytics.com ; www.reddit.com
mircea_popescu: it's like... at some point it's gonna be easier to specify which you're not pulling in.
assbot: Is Stephan's warning prophetic? : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTrVdn )
mircea_popescu: "the lower price actually helps to more evenly distribute ETH."
mircea_popescu: it only shed 10% in a day, WHATCOULDPOSSIBLYGOWRONG
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Do you mind me asking how long ago he tried to sell those?
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 00:31:57; mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat.
asciilifeform: like, a four-legged beast ?
asciilifeform: the kind that eats mice ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, just a funny comment.
asciilifeform: i had this notion that mircea_popescu actually had one
asciilifeform: possibly it was from an ancient article
mircea_popescu: at some point, but notrly.
asciilifeform for some reason can only picture mircea_popescu with four-legged creatures of man-eating size - leopards, jaguars, etc
mircea_popescu: had a friend who kept a whole fucking zoo
mircea_popescu: seems a little weird to me, really.
asciilifeform: had tiger ?
mircea_popescu: had lions
asciilifeform: spiffy!
mircea_popescu: bears, whatnot.
mircea_popescu: gypsy guy, they have a thing for these.
assbot: Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears (Confirmed by BitPay Investor Khan's rag) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtN5Q )
assbot: Bitcoin Is Left a Wallflower as Banks Borrow Some of Its Features to Boost Efficiency | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtOXk )
mircea_popescu: o god the butthurt.
mircea_popescu: hey mit... it's not my fault you were left a wallflower.
mircea_popescu: a) shouldn't have got fat ; b) when the other sluts went to the twerking class, you should have been there already.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.33, vol: 19601.02958393 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.899, vol: 6645.20581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.53, vol: 15361.62812544 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 0.487 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.512416, vol: 20525.26750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 234.0, vol: 112.30187716 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 236.80397766, vol: 81.62296501 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
gribble: 234.387199685
BingoBoingo: Looks like Fall drama season is in full swing everywhere but exchange reported prices
assbot: PREDICT - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQYl4z )
hanbot: up 10% no?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00073735 = 23.2265 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Looks kinda flat, but I guess one could say up 10% from some chosen marker
BingoBoingo: Just seems to be stuck in this range of prices
BingoBoingo: !t m d.bpay
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
hanbot: amen.
BingoBoingo: !t m D.BPAY
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
BingoBoingo: ow, shucks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00073821 = 25.6159 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: it doesn't show up if it doesn't trade within the mointh.
BingoBoingo: Ah, just the orderbook looks like it moved
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