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(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I can get on duckduckgo, but not google, but can get on google+?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: they block various websites, but not all the time?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: which is seriously fucking up my ability to speak atm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: at home with an unpaid AT&T bill
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ask trinque how much better CLIM is than anything else on Earth
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Masamune is going to make someone a lot of $
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've been broke for like a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: So I see you like CLIM
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The only reason I do what I do is.. for the money
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: So... you remember the tide usd vs. usd usd discussion?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I've been broke for like a year now
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also, I'm broke, otherwise I'd just buy one.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm putting off messaging a friend atm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me a computer, that would be tight.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: need to find a box to hack the install proc on
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: finished an (interactive) Architectural tour of Masamune.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Hey if you want to die, I'm not here to stop you.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: one could do *much* better quite easily.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q << Why they're trying to replicate the human hand/arm exactly idk
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ see the first comment on the photo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel sputters, cannot compute
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: You're splitting (the wrong) hairs.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: USSA
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I *must* read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm excellent at shooting H
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: <BingoBoingo> My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: /s/useful/productive
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: that said, I wish you the best in all your ventures.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it as an intellectual.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: Explain C2 symmetry to me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: do you know synth then?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: China homie
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: a motivated chemist is really fucking scary
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: learn organic chemistry
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: really, they're not even that useful.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: whats up?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: becoming a MMA punching bag? Yeah.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "PS. Smart people don't give a shit about how much money you have. Because they can take it from you, any time they feel like it. Get it through your skull: you ain't buying it, you ain't coercing it, get on your knees and start worshipping it." -- http://trilema.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/#comment-95113
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Quote suggestions for 8chan ads:
(trilema) gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BAD (bitcoin-assets distro) update #2.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well yeah, gotta start with the fun stuff
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: skip to 5:33 for the first stitch
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ I had a lot of fun watching that last night
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I was simply noting that I'm really the wrong person to speak with about living healthy if one wishes to carry on a conversation.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Aaron's post had nothing to say about smoking, drinking and I don't think that being opposed to these is "new age-y"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: it is rather poorly designed IMHO.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: nah, I just wanted to use something more sane than their default package manager
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: since people are derping around with gentoo, might as well release something
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: yeah, I'm fixing the install guide and writing an introductory bare-bones lesson now
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: portage is the project that houses "emerge"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: I would classify that as "looking into" portage
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: I wrote an ebuild parser, ran sloccount, read through the documentation, opened a few files + ebuilds at random and read through them.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I was poking around the other day - first there is ~70k LoC, which wtf seriously
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: have you looked into the portage sources?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Yeah. I read his blog post on intelligence and genetics, confused the two of you and thought he was making some sort of ad-hoc /pol/-style 'argument'.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: williamdunne: that the jews were overrepresented in banking
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mmunity then ignored his discovery). Contrast with "New Age medicine", which afaik, an ill-defined set of practices quite distanced from the leading edge of technology. If they were any good at what they were doing they'd have their own funtoo fork, pdf extractor, WoT and we'd be using it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: doned medicine and that medicine would have been better off to abandon philosophy. He also notes that "On Wounds in the Head" contains remarkably practical techniques that would have been extremely advanced had they discovered antiseptics. I don't know enough about the development of medicine to (dis)agree with this assessment, but will note that Semmelweis didn't discover antiseptics until ~1850 (and the medical co
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that philosophy had aban
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-05-2015#1126254 << To give my definitive word on the matter I'd have to review his works in their entirety and learn ionic Greek + Greek philosophy. For now, I read the first ~150 pages of Hippocrates, Acient Medicine, Vol. 1 - English translation by W.H.S. Jones. It did not strike me as "new age-y". The author(s) of this particular work was clearly attempting, to the best of
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126436 << I'm terribly sorry about that, I confused you with williamdunne
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; rate funkenstein_ -1 author of a silly blogpost that reviews none of the assorted literature on the topic of choice, dances around the idea that perhaps experimental design is important and finally fails to conclude anything of significance.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust funkenstein_
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ou are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception."
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125516 << context: funkenstein_ was commenting a while back that jews are overrepresented in banking and then released a blog post (http://frass.woodcoin.org/intelligence-is-caused-by-big-feet-obesity-by-genetics/) that starts with "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics. By the time y
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125284 << I wish you luck, but ftw I'm not the sort of person to discuss this class of phenomenon. Even with all the disclaimers and knowing that Aaron isn't a fuckwit I still think of his post as "new age BS". I don't exercise, smoke, drink and eat whatever I want.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: <decimation> "oh no, I'm not that kind of person to take advantage of a woman" << lolol
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I can vouch for Aaron not being a shmuck.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: my point is more along the lines of even with "enough to stay alive" negros produce nothing of interest.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: <funkenstein_> if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi << ;; google east asian malnutrition IQ
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: aw come on, walk all the way to the obvious conclusion.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: do you agree that memory is a component of intelligence?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://education.seattlepi.com/animals-share-human-dna-sequences-6693.html << info is from this, I don't have time to do actual research atm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84%
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Lemme know when you teach a dog calculus.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: funkenstein_: "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics. By the time you are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception." << wait, so intelligence is in no way caused by genetics?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: oh, and america. And the UK. And Australia.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: generally because they're idiots
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not much into it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I should note that I'm aware of /pol/
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Jews and children generally don't hit me :/
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'll have to take your word for it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: what a bunch of wankers
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: oh so he takes after you then?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how is your kid doing?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; seen artifexd
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: anyways - full quote is available here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147662
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: wtf I can't find the source for that quote anymore
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'll agree to that.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Would you agree that a shannonizer is a formalization?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ that is formalized enough for me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ce this is mostly redundant, it can be also automated. this is stuff that takes just a bit of time to do, but when a whole paragraph of text needs to be changed from second person singular or from third person singular to third person plural, it's nice to do that with a couple keystrokes. it's also nice to see that the pronouns are easily traceable to their origins, and don't get messed up in several layers of refer
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ences. if my code can't figure it out, chances are so won't anybody else, at least not easily.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: apart from this, I have written Emacs Lisp functions to make a statement into a question and vice versa, to join and split sentences (not quite as trivial as it sounds), to upgrade from singular to plural and vice versa, to change the person from second to third and vice versa, et cetera. significant parts of grammar is the way it is to maintain correspondence between numbers and persons and tenses and such, and sin
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Lemme find the quote
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Erik Naggum disagreed
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115889 << and I will point out that you're wrong. The simplicity of lisp vs. C is absolutely due to the inherrent properties of the respective artifacts. Seriously, MMM vs GC, parsing vs. not, no bignums vs. numerics - "abstractions push upward" (TM).
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115871 << If the "rules" of human language are formalized it becomes much easier to break them in interesting ways. One could use the output of a shannonizer to inform word choice for his story, enforcing that each word is followed by one of the top 10 least likely words in the whole of the language up to this point. I suspect that such a tale would be great fun to re
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ad, as most people would immediately recoil in horror, seeing something so very different what they're used to.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115832 << We're discussing the same thing. If the program has "marked" all instances of $WHATEVER I can trivally add "Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and report what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?" on top of it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ many thanks to stas for pointing me to that via his blog
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: die
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: related - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, if the supplied
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: graphics routines are inadequate, I can fall back on an 'api' independent of man. Lessons, as a refinement of research, shall offer the same capabilities. Networking (e.g., sharing these programs or crafting interactions between them) shall be trivial. No single authority shall dictate what is an isn't appropriate to publish. This is not to be enforced by social machinery which promises to promote and cherish scient
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ific inquiry, but as a consequence of a comprehensible, expressive design that empowers the individual. "
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: compiler, dependencies blah blah blah
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: right now I can't draw you a 3D picture you can just open up, modify and send back to me
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't think "in person" has much to do with it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The preceding discussion was largely myself and trinque learning the others vocabulary.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: perhaps that was phrased poorly.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Without a shared language the logs will end up in endless cycles of the above.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: diss away too.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: question away.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If I could just get a working shared kill ring...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Having the same keybindings for the web browser + editor gets me all hot and bothered.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: Making it production ready is going to take some time, but as is, it is better than any other distro I've used.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I just spent 2 days fucking with mozilla
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it is on the way
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Also, you don't have to parse anything, or have "generator rules" or whatever, which cuts out a lot of the complexity that you get when doing something like what you've done.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: So, in your model of computing you get to work with incomplete languages in the "data model" and when generating "views". While this does provide defaults, when hacking lisp you always have the full language at your disposal.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google symbolics Statice
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Well, the lines get blurry.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: you just end up writing a predicate to see that the information you're manipulating is (every #'string ...) or whatever
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I can do the same thing if I want.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: you might get a "relational algebra"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table" << This ends up being just hacking at sexprs with the full language at your disposal.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: btw, I'm still putting together a model of what exactly it is you've done so that I can discuss this with you using your vocabulary...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: because parsing is a terribly boring (and totally unnecessary) task.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but you'll end up like paul phillips
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: anyone /can/ add meta-programming to whatever language they want.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but sexprs are nice because they're easy to parse.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: everything is a "list of lists" or a "tree" when you get down to it (in the compiler - though yes, you can go directly stack machine).
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "lisp", like "lispy" is an ill-defined idea.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well, s-expressions are at least
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: because it is inescapable
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've no idea why you did, but am assuming you've got some reason why
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: done what exactly?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: kk, I'm not going anywhere
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: oh my fucking god
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: hahahahahahahhaa
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: btw, one can trivially deal with sexpr 'ASTs' as sets
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: could you rephrase "take the ast of a view against one table"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I have to check that I know what these terms mean before I respond. one sec
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the purpose isn't what I'm horrified by
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Sure, even in sexprs you have a 'grammer' you might want to check
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'd like to clarify that what I'm finding appaling here is the huge amount of effort spent generating syntatically correct strings.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Adlai: he is/was storing lexing and grammer information.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: I understand what you're talking about.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell EllieAsksWhy 'proxies'
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I find the parsing to be a gigantic PITA
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't find it controversial at all
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: or, like, looking at it now?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're just learning CL, right?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ sounds like a bitch - but I'm lazy...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "automatic to-string for the ASTs"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yeah that sounds like a lot of work
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (filter (lambda (l) (and (eq :function (car l)) (= 3 (length (nth 2 l))))) (js-ast #P"~/somejsfile.js"))
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: as for the js ast
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ ding ding ding
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: like, say that I want to find all javascript functions with 3 arguments
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: one can just query over ASTs
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Adlai: I saw that - but wtf
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s reflections on trusting trust
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Adlai: tables of cons cells?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: one could tear out all windows crud from SBCL, and replace the C crud with some clever assembler hacks in a manner similar to what I've been told T did.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: I don't know how to read that.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: SBCL has a %6 C core for GC stuff
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ~398k LoC vs. >14 million
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: regarding comprehensible computing - an observation, sbcl vs. GCC
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