ben_vulpes: ic
ben_vulpes: what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal?
ben_vulpes: diddling.
ben_vulpes: oh oh
ben_vulpes: pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ouch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why "stator"
ben_vulpes: that'd be threadsockethandler?
ben_vulpes: mnope.
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks
ben_vulpes nods
ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this
ben_vulpes: is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements?
ben_vulpes: (curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names)
ben_vulpes to src
ben_vulpes: erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets
ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine
ben_vulpes: sleep? when all these titties are biking by?
ben_vulpes: are they also /programatically/ nested?
ben_vulpes: why are these critical sections lexically nested?
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at
ben_vulpes: you're learning!
ben_vulpes: !up Chicago
ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
ben_vulpes: (if i even had, etc)
ben_vulpes: ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
ben_vulpes: me neither
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: i did not use the -irc flag
ben_vulpes: <aseriousgogetta> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << i am confus
ben_vulpes: hang on distracted.
ben_vulpes: not your most recent, no
ben_vulpes: no, I simply ran the thing.
ben_vulpes: ah!
ben_vulpes: decrufting etc.
ben_vulpes: i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
ben_vulpes: no wai
ben_vulpes: not yet!
ben_vulpes: i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
ben_vulpes to bar
ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
ben_vulpes: !up gavinadresen
ben_vulpes: !up gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: !up ga
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: o hai gabriel_laddel!
ben_vulpes: and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me
ben_vulpes: ~7 humans in office at full time
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month
ben_vulpes: hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.
ben_vulpes: "bits of proof"?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time
ben_vulpes: if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal
ben_vulpes: if in tank, nbd
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz"
ben_vulpes: "photoshop runs" means works.
ben_vulpes: creation of advertisement assets.
ben_vulpes: 'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them.
ben_vulpes: i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: i went to parsons. i know.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: the graphics shitheads were illustrator users, not blender users.
ben_vulpes: illustrator != blender
ben_vulpes: !rated phf
ben_vulpes: phf: is this on os x?
ben_vulpes: good to see you again.
ben_vulpes: hi phf!
ben_vulpes: my point is that they're still walking.
ben_vulpes: not that they're not zombies already, but...
ben_vulpes: coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints?
ben_vulpes: what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks?
ben_vulpes: hyu
ben_vulpes: where does fblock get set?
ben_vulpes: FUCK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS SHITPIEL
ben_vulpes: but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests
ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
ben_vulpes: oh cool
ben_vulpes: newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways
ben_vulpes: i'm biased against moving forwards in time
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell williamdunne ^^
ben_vulpes: ;;seen scoopbot_revived
ben_vulpes: where is the scoop anyways
ben_vulpes: hmph.
ben_vulpes: !up sch
ben_vulpes: schmid: yw
ben_vulpes: i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store
ben_vulpes: and you can't wear it!
ben_vulpes: it's not soft
ben_vulpes: have you guys ever thought about software
ben_vulpes: eeey, so software, am i right?
ben_vulpes: (from trinque)
ben_vulpes: 184387 blocks, btw)
ben_vulpes: blocks*
ben_vulpes: trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes grump
ben_vulpes: hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"
ben_vulpes: Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night
ben_vulpes: "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"
ben_vulpes: hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?
ben_vulpes: complex differential eqns those
ben_vulpes: and dearest kako
ben_vulpes: mats: i do it just to annoy you
ben_vulpes: it's just another altcoin at this point
ben_vulpes: furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead << confirmed
ben_vulpes: Vexual: myeah nice
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: regarding build script: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
ben_vulpes: shitting in the corner?
ben_vulpes: tera
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
ben_vulpes: life*&
ben_vulpes: it's live
ben_vulpes: hey buddy
ben_vulpes: !up JorgePasada
ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
ben_vulpes: you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
ben_vulpes: your english is a bit lacking.
ben_vulpes: is it...8 characters of mixed casing?
ben_vulpes: go on...
ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: dat mpcdot
ben_vulpes: important people, eh? like whom?
ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
ben_vulpes: whaleclub?
ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.
ben_vulpes: it'd be trivial to fill it back up.
ben_vulpes: could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
ben_vulpes: how can one identify an ungavinized node?
ben_vulpes: not it.
ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
ben_vulpes: if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
ben_vulpes: of course
ben_vulpes: nobody in those channels.
ben_vulpes: myup.
ben_vulpes: hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
ben_vulpes: plus huge existing infrastructure.
ben_vulpes: "jungle conditions"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: might be familiar with http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html
ben_vulpes: grexit?
ben_vulpes: harder every night but thanks
ben_vulpes: i'm off.
ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
ben_vulpes: mwell i'm pooped.
ben_vulpes: evening, hanbot.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.
ben_vulpes: !up mius
ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i named the car.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
ben_vulpes: i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
ben_vulpes for bread and cheese
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).
ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
ben_vulpes: look how dumb we are
ben_vulpes: me too
ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
ben_vulpes: myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and how was it?
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
ben_vulpes: or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: lol hi fartacus
ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.
ben_vulpes: involved*.
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
ben_vulpes: ahaha i am so dumb.
ben_vulpes: i actually did not notice this.
ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3GFCEPM
ben_vulpes: oh, you want to see debug.log
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?
ben_vulpes: COWER CITIZENS
ben_vulpes: ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
ben_vulpes: that one on the list?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ayeowch/bitnodes << perhaps...
ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
ben_vulpes: mod6: ya, tis ubuntu
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
ben_vulpes: BIG MISTAKE
ben_vulpes: reasoning about software?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to reason about it first.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
ben_vulpes: "what could go wrong"
ben_vulpes: wcgw
ben_vulpes: who /is/ running a public node?
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
ben_vulpes: pretty
ben_vulpes: yeah, i was looking at that.
ben_vulpes: unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
ben_vulpes: either way, no
ben_vulpes: muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
ben_vulpes: okay okay
ben_vulpes: M-x gdb