ben_vulpes: there's your research task for showing up
ben_vulpes: !s colored coins
ben_vulpes: tcrypt: syn
ben_vulpes: decimation: d'you know of anything that does that?
ben_vulpes: who're you?
ben_vulpes: allo
ben_vulpes: !up tcrypt
ben_vulpes: there's about a mile of difference between an 'app' that does god-knows-what on your iPnohe and a piece of code that...can be inspected.
ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: you can tell me to rtfm my feels won't get all hurt :P
ben_vulpes: i wonder what red/black/grey boxes around the files mean.
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/net_8cpp.html << aha this is great
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis re: model t, i suppose would be better
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis Model T: "i am a beta fuck"-mobile. thoughts?
ben_vulpes: Big Gulp ™
ben_vulpes: ahahahaha
ben_vulpes: decimation: the bitcoind sources
ben_vulpes: this does make for an interesting question of what to do with the chain after an interstitial block has been snarfed - reverify everything? do nothing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever
ben_vulpes: anyways, out for real now.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot
ben_vulpes: (^ more or less kills headers-first abomination)
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot
ben_vulpes: how would i see what this thing contains
ben_vulpes: libboost-all-dev << what is this horror
ben_vulpes: in other news
ben_vulpes: scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets
ben_vulpes sighs
ben_vulpes: it'd make introspection easy!
ben_vulpes: as i said: 'if you care'
ben_vulpes: dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments
ben_vulpes: pissing in mother crypto.
ben_vulpes: just say no.
ben_vulpes: NO
ben_vulpes: gribble did this.
ben_vulpes: trinque: wotclassifieds!
ben_vulpes: let's fight about whitespace rules
ben_vulpes: line number of patch
ben_vulpes: not that it matters i don't imagine
ben_vulpes: i see a tab on 36
ben_vulpes: what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?
ben_vulpes: dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time
ben_vulpes: yaay!
ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes: http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture"
ben_vulpes: disappointing.
ben_vulpes: trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well?
ben_vulpes: rule 48.
ben_vulpes: heh.
ben_vulpes: caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot
ben_vulpes: great enumeration of badness
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: Misbehaving is p lulzy
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then?
ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in
ben_vulpes: "blonde, brunette, redhead..."
ben_vulpes: ah have ye tested that yet?
ben_vulpes: and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others?
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes: i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior.
ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
ben_vulpes: "peer ranker"
ben_vulpes: (or is that another "jam tomorrow"?)
ben_vulpes: behavior tracker has my attention at the moment.
ben_vulpes: that, sir, is over my pay grade.
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in
ben_vulpes: i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes
ben_vulpes: the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table
ben_vulpes: i surmise
ben_vulpes: i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping
ben_vulpes: there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though.
ben_vulpes: how could one tell? ordering of blocks?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: would benefit from a chart
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash()
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand
ben_vulpes: is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section?
ben_vulpes: maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance.
ben_vulpes: but how does it know what to serialize the block message into
ben_vulpes: just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator
ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h
ben_vulpes: (and anyone else who understands cpp)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, trinque, decimation: how does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#1141 implement serialization such that it writes correctly-shaped data to CBlock here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193
ben_vulpes: ic
ben_vulpes: what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal?
ben_vulpes: diddling.
ben_vulpes: oh oh
ben_vulpes: pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ouch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why "stator"
ben_vulpes: that'd be threadsockethandler?
ben_vulpes: mnope.
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks
ben_vulpes nods
ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this
ben_vulpes: is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements?
ben_vulpes: (curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names)
ben_vulpes to src
ben_vulpes: erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets
ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine
ben_vulpes: sleep? when all these titties are biking by?
ben_vulpes: are they also /programatically/ nested?
ben_vulpes: why are these critical sections lexically nested?
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at
ben_vulpes: you're learning!
ben_vulpes: !up Chicago
ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
ben_vulpes: (if i even had, etc)
ben_vulpes: ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
ben_vulpes: me neither
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: i did not use the -irc flag
ben_vulpes: <aseriousgogetta> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << i am confus
ben_vulpes: hang on distracted.
ben_vulpes: not your most recent, no
ben_vulpes: no, I simply ran the thing.
ben_vulpes: ah!
ben_vulpes: decrufting etc.
ben_vulpes: i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
ben_vulpes: no wai
ben_vulpes: not yet!
ben_vulpes: i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
ben_vulpes to bar
ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
ben_vulpes: !up gavinadresen
ben_vulpes: !up gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: !up ga
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: o hai gabriel_laddel!
ben_vulpes: and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me
ben_vulpes: ~7 humans in office at full time
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month
ben_vulpes: hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.
ben_vulpes: "bits of proof"?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time
ben_vulpes: if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal
ben_vulpes: if in tank, nbd
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz"
ben_vulpes: "photoshop runs" means works.
ben_vulpes: creation of advertisement assets.
ben_vulpes: 'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them.
ben_vulpes: i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: i went to parsons. i know.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: the graphics shitheads were illustrator users, not blender users.
ben_vulpes: illustrator != blender
ben_vulpes: !rated phf
ben_vulpes: phf: is this on os x?
ben_vulpes: good to see you again.
ben_vulpes: hi phf!
ben_vulpes: my point is that they're still walking.
ben_vulpes: not that they're not zombies already, but...
ben_vulpes: coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints?
ben_vulpes: what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks?
ben_vulpes: hyu
ben_vulpes: where does fblock get set?
ben_vulpes: FUCK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS SHITPIEL
ben_vulpes: but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests
ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
ben_vulpes: oh cool
ben_vulpes: newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways
ben_vulpes: i'm biased against moving forwards in time
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell williamdunne ^^
ben_vulpes: ;;seen scoopbot_revived
ben_vulpes: where is the scoop anyways
ben_vulpes: hmph.
ben_vulpes: !up sch
ben_vulpes: schmid: yw
ben_vulpes: i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store
ben_vulpes: and you can't wear it!
ben_vulpes: it's not soft
ben_vulpes: have you guys ever thought about software
ben_vulpes: eeey, so software, am i right?
ben_vulpes: (from trinque)
ben_vulpes: 184387 blocks, btw)
ben_vulpes: blocks*
ben_vulpes: trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes grump
ben_vulpes: hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"
ben_vulpes: Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night
ben_vulpes: "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"
ben_vulpes: hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?
ben_vulpes: complex differential eqns those
ben_vulpes: and dearest kako
ben_vulpes: mats: i do it just to annoy you
ben_vulpes: it's just another altcoin at this point
ben_vulpes: furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead << confirmed
ben_vulpes: Vexual: myeah nice
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: regarding build script: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
ben_vulpes: shitting in the corner?
ben_vulpes: tera
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
ben_vulpes: life*&
ben_vulpes: it's live
ben_vulpes: hey buddy
ben_vulpes: !up JorgePasada
ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
ben_vulpes: you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
ben_vulpes: your english is a bit lacking.
ben_vulpes: is it...8 characters of mixed casing?
ben_vulpes: go on...
ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: dat mpcdot
ben_vulpes: important people, eh? like whom?
ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
ben_vulpes: whaleclub?
ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.
ben_vulpes: it'd be trivial to fill it back up.
ben_vulpes: could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
ben_vulpes: how can one identify an ungavinized node?
ben_vulpes: not it.
ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
ben_vulpes: if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
ben_vulpes: of course
ben_vulpes: nobody in those channels.
ben_vulpes: myup.
ben_vulpes: hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
ben_vulpes: plus huge existing infrastructure.
ben_vulpes: "jungle conditions"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: might be familiar with http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html
ben_vulpes: grexit?
ben_vulpes: harder every night but thanks
ben_vulpes: i'm off.
ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
ben_vulpes: mwell i'm pooped.