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(trilema) ben_vulpes: well "should" is a strong word
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you know i'm not even convinced a node *should* be stood up without human intervention.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, how do you plan to handle this on pogos?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the thing is miserably bad anyways, why would anyone want to use it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: made good progress i see
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sorry, diff adjustments.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do y'all eventually get to why averaging out umpteen 2016 blocks won't work in place of timekeeping?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: help i am 1200 lines behind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, my mistake
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and on top of that, his error rate cracking them open is probably zero. small sample size, but...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now, as you say, interested parties could find a rate for diddled pogos.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well clearly. just making a joke.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for lulz as far as i can tell
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> so much as opening pogo and touching inside multiplies the cost of the operation. << and yet mircea_popescu had this done
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my stator's at 225753, btw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mod6> i seem to remember asciilifeform switching over to -addnode after he got stuck. but let's see what he says about it. i'll probably hit the same issue myself. << i don't think he did
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i begin to understand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: leastaways without a wholesale replacement of sync mechanism plus god only knows what else eventually.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: i think i see now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: i don't understand the point of your gpgdiddling link
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i must derp my ass down the coast now, however.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field:and why no ntp?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myeah i'm troubled.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number?
(trilema) ben_vulpes also suspects that alf is holding this patch in abeyance
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because recompiling bitcoin to set its version number is fucking retarded.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: configgable patch, that is.
(trilema) ben_vulpes can barf up this patch sometime this week if not beaten to punch
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "does a node with version == 0 fail to sync?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: actually this bears testing too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: has nothing to do with our codebase.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is *live on the network*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ergo we can only ratchet forward. like evolution.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: there's logic in even the RI codebase that does derpy shit if version numbers are below some critical value.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps should be configgable for stealth in production.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm coming around.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 3 say "fu this shit is wrong and stupid", set version to $maxint
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 2 be stealthy, advertise whatever "version" is "current" with the shitgnomes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1 be "honest" advertise some "version"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: imho there are 3 things to be done
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why advertise version instead of just responding to network messages?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: node has been wedged for more than a lunch iirc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus shit. we'll have to run our own ntp cluster next.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: blee. so block validation relies on some absolute coordinated time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is this a direct result of headers only mining?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "it" << specifically?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: how'd you run it down?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's a whole sig* song and dance.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: there's a bit more than that. did you read my subsequent link?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: are blocks from headers-only miners coming out with timestamps too far in the future?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ^^ the wot at work. ridiculous numbers aside, we tell stories of heroic deeds performed in service of the papers we sign.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: So it was that C. B. returned to Hazelton afoot, limping into the hotel one snowy night in midwinter, "broke to the wide", but otherwise unconcerned.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: another to feed the rest, they weakend and died on the trail.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Again he started out, this time with a hundred and twenty-eight dogs, and when he came to the place where he had turned back, he was able to feed the dogs on dead horse-meat, and so get through to the cabin where to two men were waiting. But on the return trip, the going was heavy and slow and he found that the worlves had reached the cache of horse-meat and finished it up, so the dogs were short of food and though he killed one after
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (almost done, ascii_field)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Those supplies had to be delivered to the men patiently waiting for them at the far end of the trail, So he cached the supplies, hoiseted as many carcases of the dead horses as possible into trees where the wolves could not get them, and went all the way back to Hazelton to get dog-teams.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Every now and then a horse would miss its footing and go over, sometimes into the rushing river below, to be lost forever. Then it froze, and the going was hopeless. One by one the horses slipped and went down until it was impossible to go onward. C. B. shrugged his shoulders and altered his plans.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all next day and the following night without any let-up.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: So C. B. at once set off north again witha pack-train of sixty-eight horses. He had no very great hope of being able to make his destination before the hard weather came on, but he traveled with all the speed possible, to get over the worst places on the trail before ths first snow fell. But as ill-luck would have it, it began to snow one night just as he came to the rock ledges where the going was bad at the best of times. It snowed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: supplied -- and it was getting late in the autumn.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained that these two men had to be
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: fascinating! what gears are failing to mesh here?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: The little Jap who, laughing up and down his sleeve goes cheerfully about his business in a gas-boat up the coast, or picks out the best small-fruit land in the country; the ubiquitous Chinaman, steadily cornering all the loose cash in the land -- of a surety these two know more of British Columbia than most white men!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: The Americans come, with plenty of money, and stay at the much-advertised hotels, gulping down the Rockies in predigested doses, thenrace through in a Pullman car to the next big hotel on the coast. And how can they know anything of the province?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: halls, about "great open spaces" and "the need for a population." But they know nothing of the real British Columbia.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "The English come out and travel through, knowing all about everything beforehand, as the English always do; and, having set standards, they compare the Fraser to the Thames (former too wide) and the Selkirks to the Cotswolds (former too high). They get out to spend a day or so at Lake Louise or Jasper, then get into the train again and stay there till they reach Vancouver. Then they go back to England and give vague lectures in town
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you liked clements tall tales, you might get a kick out of Glynn-Ward's "Glamour of British Columbia"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "pogotronic" iirc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: is that info missing from asciilifeform's post to the ml?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does anyone know at a high level how nginx does the "swap binary while running" trick?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but perhaps fashionably so?
(trilema) ben_vulpes is late to the party. again.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stator syncing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: take your myip flag - is that automagically a .conf file option as well?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: do cli flags get auto-munged into bitcoin.conf flags?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stuck on a particular block, or still syncing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's your seeder IP again?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: excellent long term cost reduction strategy imho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: shouldn't that be a function of the number of blocks since the last difficulty adjustment?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel << tomorrow mayhap. tonight, the canadians have interesting ingestibles.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where arse those?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> they are exactly the same to me. << and your own zero days?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) << by virtue of living in the shit your whole life, you'll be able to read it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << someone who knows, someone wh doesn't
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: may you stay long when it's good for you and go short when it's good for you, caz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism << witticism, like witty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well for as long as nobody here uses shithouse.tv nothing here can be considered actual shitposting.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey i'm an empiricist what do you want
(trilema) ben_vulpes: testing this thing is a goddamn nightmare.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: try herr popescus node or perhaps herr form's
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so you're not sure if node code, machine host or seed.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: take a look at binary-types, per asciilifeform's suggestion
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> with a yo ho ho << and a bottle of fun!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although a barebones lisp editor is tempting.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no time for reimplementing elisp or...emacs even.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look i'm just trying to make a mil or 5 over here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "poor man's lisp machine"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: it's p barbaric
(trilema) ben_vulpes: caz passes, no idea why.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still not a fan.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << met another ozzie this wknd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's lisp, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (emacs-gd, that is)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "trivial", i'm sure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: irc bouncer implementation's a good thing to have in the interim.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: re gossipd errything's gonna have to be reimplemented atop it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << ugh i met another ozzie today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu an irc bouncer job advert wouldn't go amiss
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm saying that my nose ain't that good yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh you rejected it before you figured out that editing the config files while the thing waas running would fly it straight into the wall at 0.8 mach?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shit was wack.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i ran both znc and weechat as bouncers for a while
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good with high latency, network-hopping, all of the travails of diginomad life.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but very good tool for persistent terminals on remote hosts.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mnno, not replacement
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more liek an ssh-wannabe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but not a wm-wannabe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah no, it's a tmuxalike
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but it does new up a udp thinger.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can't say as i can tell from your question.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: have you looked into mosh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: running more than one emacs chafes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sitrep: freshly provisioned server builds boost, bdb and openssl w/out a hitch, barfs on compiling bitcoind because lacking i b'leev integer retardation patch
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: lmk if you come up with an acceptable bouncer situation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus shit i blink and y'all crap out 400 lines?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: same thing i said before, really.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: ain't gonna be b.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a liberal /myth/, jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: global warming is a myth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (unrelatedly, whose moronic decision was it to produce keys that tab-complete before their public counterparts? looking at you, id_rsaa)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whereas in bsas, i could walk for an hour plus without feeling the burn.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and it's what - three blocks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the stroll from office to tacos midday is almost guaranteed to pink me up a bit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i still marvel at that.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a forest fire even further north than i is smogging up the world
(trilema) ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's wrong with etags?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha, missed that.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: powers that be froze action, restarted game, provided script
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there was also the millenium challenge 2002
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ohai punkman
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin << i keep the patches in their own directory
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185611 << i keep a git repo on disk, i think someone else has one of these running in public as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: d'you mean that management is about "you may do XXX but not YYY" when you say "doors"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh, alf may actually get to the ada impl before a block v1 sticks again.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski king of the hill: "i sell cars and car backed securities"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: wanted to know about your 0.5.3.1's behavior during the phr0k
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait gernika's new blood?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clearly you don't fight enough zombies
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how convenient!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1mb's too big already.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "i sell bitcoins and bitcoin-backed derivatives"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so's this phr0k the nail in 20mb blocks' coffin?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mats> alright << i'd love a read
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: that's some wack ass disingenuous shit. you jumped in on the n block consensus line.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i thought you said you were reading logs!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dumpblock, eatblock, exposure of the ancient blockchain is quiet now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nah we seem to have defused the antagonism for now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> ben_vulpes: Dude man, with the shit you guys say in here, I have no idea when you're ribbing someone, or promising a spear in the gut. :( << the ambiguity has to be completely intolerable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, chickens run around with their heads cut off for minutes. what of it? they still lost to the butcher.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: conflict is productive!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're not in line for a stake
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: re #trollfail it's supposed to be lighthearted elbows-in-ribs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why bang on about points that are already settled?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: moreover, if the decisions made here trickle down to "bitcoin core", why should we pursue them further?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so we won, and you want to 3/10 troll on the topic?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for a grand coup of shit-as-what-don't-matter?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: reddit? twitter? d'you want to roll medium and perhaps bitcointalk.org into that as well?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 6/10 #spergytrollfail
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> Once everyone else started, you stopped. How come? << hipsters always move on, boss
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> Yeah, I mean aside from the grumbling in here which nobody but people *in here* seems to read. << how could you possible know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's all well and good to say "strip out the components", i just don't buy that that's possible.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: no less wrong than what now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: no but you see we need to slurp the spitoon because if we don't something terrifying that we can't reason about won't happen!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> why wouldn't we want a static bitcoind that is correct for all time? << we do. midnightmagic does not.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: you were probably just on the cusp of killing hitler too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this, i gather, is news to you.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bitcoind's built with openssl versions after 1.0.1g don't sync.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: openssl changed behavior. bitcoin did not.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: art thou familiar with the 1.0.1g issue?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just the network. that, only that, no more, no less.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's* just no window.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 's just no window.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this moronic 'acceptance-in-blockchain' algo doesn't work, because hashpower can revert and rewrite an arbitrarily-lengthed blockchain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: you make this mistake of letting the plants control the conversation. "what's the right magic number of blocks to signal fork acceptance?" answer: there isn't. there is only the long-term behavior of the network.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't accept it either.
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