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ben_vulpes: phf later i'll want to pick your brain about compiling boost under clang/os x
ben_vulpes: p plz
ben_vulpes: so instead of duct taping the thing together perhaps fix the makefile?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, punkman, panzers et al
ben_vulpes: i've been able to get on the computer for maybe 10 minutes max at a stretch over the past few days, or i'd take a crack at it myself and figure it out
ben_vulpes: mod6: re gitkeeps do we even know why those empty dirs are necessary for a succesful compile?
ben_vulpes back to drinking with crazyfam
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles
ben_vulpes: AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails?
ben_vulpes: btw is it me or was linus retarded for making git work in such a way that one has to stick a file in a dir to get git to keep it around?
ben_vulpes: mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps?
ben_vulpes to wedding
ben_vulpes: thanks, mod6!
ben_vulpes: that i would pay to have in a truck.
ben_vulpes: piles of low-end torque, backed by a battery that is powered by an ICE generator.
ben_vulpes: but to return to the drivetrain: if you *insist* on an eletrical drivetrain, look to the Volt for the correct implementation.
ben_vulpes: this makes it difficult to finesse the brake.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines.
ben_vulpes: buy them pre-depreciated, and treat them like the capital equipment they are.
ben_vulpes: a sedan, a truck, a gas-guzzling roadster, a mommymobile, a camperwagon...
ben_vulpes: instead of spending 75k on a car, how about we get 75k worth of...cars?
ben_vulpes: my philosophy on cars is a little odd
ben_vulpes: trabamborghini
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you'd know better than i about the test drive. that's just how i got my butt in one.
ben_vulpes: shadowbanned :P
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't see your comment either
ben_vulpes: pwetty pwease?
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << hey jurov couldja sort this by date instead of patch hash?
ben_vulpes: ;;seen solrodar
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer
ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
ben_vulpes: heh cazalla today i stepped outside and went snorkeling in perfectly blue waters
ben_vulpes: a shit that looks nifty
ben_vulpes: punkman: i live and die by the dvcs, i like it just fine. mod6 hates it for some reason that's unclear to me, so i'm allowing for the possibility that i just have stockholm syndrome.
ben_vulpes: i like it too, but it's probably git stockholm.
ben_vulpes: but /does it apply cleanly/ ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: does the patch not apply cleanly?
ben_vulpes: so yeah a patch to excise the wx crap is great and wonderful and thank you etc, but i'd like to see it split from changes to logging behavior
ben_vulpes: BUT ANYWAYS
ben_vulpes: i think i missed the debug sanity feedback threads too.
ben_vulpes: do you have a plan for v2?
ben_vulpes: well this is a whole project, innit.
ben_vulpes: unfh okay i get it
ben_vulpes: how does returning an error from a function in bitcoin turn into a line in debug.log?
ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.
ben_vulpes: i blame davout
ben_vulpes: gotta love these rubyists, centralizing all of the decentralized things. shithub, keybase...
ben_vulpes: <shinohai> I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. << you know that you can have a git repo on disk without ever pushing it to shithub?
ben_vulpes: <punkman> mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << i've yet to play around with this one in depth
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski find someone who's a shareholder, they can do test drives
ben_vulpes: did someone say bashops?
ben_vulpes to numb the family-in-law with more booze
ben_vulpes: more like a jester, retelling stories he heard knights bandying about
ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: proles are people nao?
ben_vulpes: i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter.
ben_vulpes: decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me.
ben_vulpes: vaultputer, so to speak.
ben_vulpes: i mean physical security, but sure.
ben_vulpes: you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo.
ben_vulpes: decimation: and power!
ben_vulpes: decimation: and security!
ben_vulpes: decimation: and ergonomics!
ben_vulpes: unrepairable, unimproveable.
ben_vulpes: laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware.
ben_vulpes: i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations.
ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong
ben_vulpes: startac did no wrong
ben_vulpes: well, tablet phone.
ben_vulpes: the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree.
ben_vulpes: or the ice.
ben_vulpes: and what i ask again is wrong with bullets.
ben_vulpes: such as?
ben_vulpes: no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries?
ben_vulpes: just price gas out of everyone's hands.
ben_vulpes: there's also the 'battery paste' stuff
ben_vulpes: it is terrifically good at what it does.
ben_vulpes: stop trying to disrupt the ice.
ben_vulpes: god bless america.
ben_vulpes: refrigerates
ben_vulpes: kills mileage
ben_vulpes: my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system
ben_vulpes: or ac!
ben_vulpes: i'll take the ancient corvette any day.
ben_vulpes: bwahaha
ben_vulpes: and not in the checked bags.
ben_vulpes: probably brought them over himself.
ben_vulpes: might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time.
ben_vulpes: end game here is a share in a robo fleet.
ben_vulpes: witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.
ben_vulpes: someone call spamgun.
ben_vulpes: we can have wifi in the cardano after all!
ben_vulpes: goodness. usb hdmi and all.
ben_vulpes: how much does it cost, and does it *nix?
ben_vulpes: ikura desu ka, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless
ben_vulpes: 'tis lulzy
ben_vulpes: !s block777
ben_vulpes: over 9000
ben_vulpes: but uh a pile of money probably
ben_vulpes: censors as alf sez
ben_vulpes: first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers'
ben_vulpes: i do have some understanding of how you work
ben_vulpes: then your children
ben_vulpes: then your servers
ben_vulpes: yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account
ben_vulpes: everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications
ben_vulpes: if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could
ben_vulpes: ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service
ben_vulpes: except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not games, no
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203701 << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others.
ben_vulpes: jesus christ
ben_vulpes: lol and completely absent from the usage message
ben_vulpes: the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet
ben_vulpes: hrm? what constant is this
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct?
ben_vulpes: keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp
ben_vulpes: just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet
ben_vulpes: the wifi is actually free
ben_vulpes: trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no
ben_vulpes: anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so
ben_vulpes: my stator's up to 347786
ben_vulpes: neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: kill the mempool, kill the relay
ben_vulpes: well there's that then
ben_vulpes: colored coins iirc
ben_vulpes: s/'s//
ben_vulpes: no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?
ben_vulpes: especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store
ben_vulpes: making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful
ben_vulpes: (i can see why a bdb impl would need it)
ben_vulpes: ever try it with pg?
ben_vulpes: o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for
ben_vulpes: neat, ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: those manual covers are gorgeous
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"
ben_vulpes: achtung, etc
ben_vulpes: indeed
ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/
ben_vulpes: rediscovered*
ben_vulpes: rediscovers static friction
ben_vulpes: girl is bolting her dress together tonight
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted.
ben_vulpes: anuzza for my .config
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey!
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1DZN9W3 << last 500 lines, lmk if you want more
ben_vulpes: debug.log is 500M, you want the whole thing?
ben_vulpes: quite a bit of time went by
ben_vulpes: anowait, the dumpblock rpc is right there
ben_vulpes: you'll want more from debug, so hang plz
ben_vulpes: myes, let me dpaste you a thing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dumpblock killed my stator when i misscalled it
ben_vulpes: no wai chetty
ben_vulpes: i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it
ben_vulpes: "i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts"
ben_vulpes: don't get my hopes up
ben_vulpes: p-please
ben_vulpes: let's go
ben_vulpes: minimal browserlisp
ben_vulpes: would you fix this, please?
ben_vulpes: fuck the web
ben_vulpes: this problem sucks
ben_vulpes: but on the flipside, another deploy target
ben_vulpes: db constraints seem like a decent step.
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach
ben_vulpes: we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"
ben_vulpes: (in comparison at least)
ben_vulpes: the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit
ben_vulpes: that poke mother pg in all of the right spots
ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
ben_vulpes: our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models'
ben_vulpes: want to hear a dirty secret?
ben_vulpes: (and oop)
ben_vulpes: but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently
ben_vulpes: lisprails, but yeah
ben_vulpes: hey trinque
ben_vulpes: come at me fascists
ben_vulpes: herpa derpa doo
ben_vulpes: that was not patched with dumpblock
ben_vulpes: the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya
ben_vulpes: perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act
ben_vulpes: i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff
ben_vulpes: rewritten in cl yet trinque?
ben_vulpes: ohai deedbot-
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem
ben_vulpes: <mthreat> !s wtf << ty!
ben_vulpes: how boss do you battle the rsi?
ben_vulpes: after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom
ben_vulpes: it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike
ben_vulpes: the rsi is setting in
ben_vulpes: although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard
ben_vulpes: best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp
ben_vulpes: i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead
ben_vulpes: oh twisting my arm too eh?
ben_vulpes: <trinque> another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?
ben_vulpes: my one sacrament.
ben_vulpes: religiously.
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform - i do
ben_vulpes: the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches
ben_vulpes: lol nothing to it beyond applying patches
ben_vulpes: in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?
ben_vulpes: why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles.
ben_vulpes: pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.
ben_vulpes: come from*
ben_vulpes: * danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear
ben_vulpes: <phf> ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: aka teledildonics?
ben_vulpes: phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try?
ben_vulpes: the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password
ben_vulpes: the *stored* password
ben_vulpes: trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext
ben_vulpes: trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert
ben_vulpes: whoa mp's getting out the banhammer
ben_vulpes: phrance!
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something.
ben_vulpes: eatblock doesn't provide for that?
ben_vulpes: ah indeed
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what is 'other work'?
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against sane logs!
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment?
ben_vulpes still booting
ben_vulpes: "ticket"
ben_vulpes: also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho.
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