(trilema) ben_vulpes: and gradations between pogo and "to ml"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is working on the thing and distributing the thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: auto.sh has never worked well for me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i now have a kalash that i can point at most linuxes, fire, and produce a static build
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot: i wrote it entirely fed up with doing this dance every. single. time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot: i put my little kalash together to address some of the pain you're experiencing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, frere
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm down to a single finger and i intend to kepe it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: defensive bash programming
(trilema) ben_vulpes: only sane way to manage implicit state of shell imho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "patches welcome"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's next on my list
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo has
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "blocks" : 366328,
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other news, my stator has caught up with the net at large
(trilema) ben_vulpes: v expensive 3d solution
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trains going by
(trilema) ben_vulpes: coviariance analysis with shop humidity at the time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or perhaps we want to track quality ratings for *every widget produced*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or was it assbot...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wow i just remembered that gribble integration you wrote
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances
(trilema) ben_vulpes looks at postmodern again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's a difference between chewing and a tool that abstracts a thing that needs doing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: zing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what about deploying code to servers? just slime-connect to the remote host over an ssh tunnel and then compile the new codebase in?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: again
(trilema) ben_vulpes empties his cup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: once told me that the 'log reading' period for CL was well in excess of that for #b-a
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am going to spend 2 years just reading CL tooling documentation before putting anything into production at this rate.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're telling me that i should what...just write code?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what about sharing data structures across many instances?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: really? i'm supposed to eat this? that lisp isntances don't crash?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is such a bold claim!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey man i'm a really bad programmer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or lisp instance crashign either, though right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: slad doesn't really address the power toggle thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm writing raw sql in my cl going forward
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay well trinque gabriel_laddel i give up on this lisp persistence thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i feel like herr popescu with apache and his caching layer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why can't i have software that works.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: DUDE
(trilema) ben_vulpes: even on macos?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hyuuuuuuu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "No manual entry for mremap"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: watch this be an os x problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Symbol "MREMAP" not found in the OSICAT-POSIX package.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no sir it does not appear to
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/2010-10/lisp-2010.10.29.txt << grep for MREMAP
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is why i don't talk to programmers i don't know about programming.
(trilema) ben_vulpes has maybe touched the penile bit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you assholes are winding me up deliberately.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a document store
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dafuq
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some engineer somewhere in some corp decides to play with it for a week, people who wrote dumbthing get email of concern from said engineer, decide to advertise as "running bigcorp"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is always a lie
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude runs whatever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: client blew their budget on ie8 css compatibility in a half-assed single page js app
(trilema) ben_vulpes: was at one time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plz no bully
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's triggering decimation
(trilema) ben_vulpes twitches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: manardb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can buy his own damn modem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuck him
(trilema) ben_vulpes: he just got a job writing common lisp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the covers are also gorgeous.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i may yet end up with a set because of this reason.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: such as i have not seen in my career to date.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: go, read. a marvel of technical writing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only need one - for the woman
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re statice, what parts wouldn't make sense? the thing is explained in painstaking detail.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am however considering a conversion
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they were not id'd either
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended with family who are cult members
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: have you started reading the statice manual?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <trinque> asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't too bad << share!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-hunter/pregnant-wnba-star-asks-20k-month-spousal-support-her-wife << ahahaha child support hits the gays
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "can" lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sync and serve mechanisms are vastly more important.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PeterL: you missed the thread where alf pointed out that 'mempool' is not a part of bitcoin.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plentiful*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one of the nicer things about hawaii is the plentify ahi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i snorkeling!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (anyways, if anyone cares to poke holes in my proposed ghetto wot httpauthentication mechanism, plz do)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think everyone can smell your perma-lsd-trip.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did not get ID'd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that vacuum-packed babe was p lulzy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'pet' has read knr
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha yes actually this makes sense
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: i think he actually has employees
(trilema) ben_vulpes: he of many hands
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell artifexd yo!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: don't bite off gossipd man
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ad hoc bug ridden implementation of half of smtp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: b-a mailservers when
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Fe shrapnel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (for one)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cloud of water
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will build the garbage scows.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but more precisely a 'transformation' thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because text is not simply an 'input' problem.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the touchscreen however is an unredeemable text input device.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it, unlike Mailâ„¢, sort of works.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i use the gmail application.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i know ios mail is bad.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ^^ mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my read at the time was "google is raping apple's mail experience"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh yeah that's right
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my b
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh hey it was google
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because while they can mandate webkit as browser they cannot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, apple purchased the only decent mail application for ios to preserve their mailnopoly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: let us not forget "Inbox" or w/e
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or broadcasting credentials in the clear ala http-basic auth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mwell point is to gate access to an api without relying on tls
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vulnerable to a bit of replay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (signed by a customer or allowed user or someone the service provider likes)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i thought up an http-auth thing recently: http request headers containing a signed hash of one of the last 2 blocks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;seen artifexd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suppose that i'm pretty dumb for just downloading the source and expecting that i'll be able to compile it, huh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: do you use macports regularly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost compiles fine with macports << i'm a homebrew dood. perhaps this is wrong?
(trilema) ben_vulpes off again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: OH WELL
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am clearly not elite enough to set my own priorities, otherwise i'd be down on the beach with a margarita and my laptop
(trilema) ben_vulpes: snorkels and family call
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but you know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf later i'll want to pick your brain about compiling boost under clang/os x
(trilema) ben_vulpes: p plz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so instead of duct taping the thing together perhaps fix the makefile?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, punkman, panzers et al
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been able to get on the computer for maybe 10 minutes max at a stretch over the past few days, or i'd take a crack at it myself and figure it out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: re gitkeeps do we even know why those empty dirs are necessary for a succesful compile?
(trilema) ben_vulpes back to drinking with crazyfam
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the mind boggles
(trilema) ben_vulpes: AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: btw is it me or was linus retarded for making git work in such a way that one has to stick a file in a dir to get git to keep it around?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps?
(trilema) ben_vulpes to wedding
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks, mod6!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that i would pay to have in a truck.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: piles of low-end torque, backed by a battery that is powered by an ICE generator.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but to return to the drivetrain: if you *insist* on an eletrical drivetrain, look to the Volt for the correct implementation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this makes it difficult to finesse the brake.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buy them pre-depreciated, and treat them like the capital equipment they are.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a sedan, a truck, a gas-guzzling roadster, a mommymobile, a camperwagon...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: instead of spending 75k on a car, how about we get 75k worth of...cars?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my philosophy on cars is a little odd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trabamborghini
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you'd know better than i about the test drive. that's just how i got my butt in one.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shadowbanned :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't see your comment either
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pwetty pwease?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << hey jurov couldja sort this by date instead of patch hash?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;seen solrodar
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh cazalla today i stepped outside and went snorkeling in perfectly blue waters
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a shit that looks nifty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: i live and die by the dvcs, i like it just fine. mod6 hates it for some reason that's unclear to me, so i'm allowing for the possibility that i just have stockholm syndrome.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i like it too, but it's probably git stockholm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but /does it apply cleanly/ ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: does the patch not apply cleanly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so yeah a patch to excise the wx crap is great and wonderful and thank you etc, but i'd like to see it split from changes to logging behavior
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BUT ANYWAYS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think i missed the debug sanity feedback threads too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do you have a plan for v2?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well this is a whole project, innit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unfh okay i get it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how does returning an error from a function in bitcoin turn into a line in debug.log?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i blame davout
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotta love these rubyists, centralizing all of the decentralized things. shithub, keybase...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <shinohai> I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. << you know that you can have a git repo on disk without ever pushing it to shithub?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <punkman> mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << i've yet to play around with this one in depth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski find someone who's a shareholder, they can do test drives
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did someone say bashops?
(trilema) ben_vulpes to numb the family-in-law with more booze
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like a jester, retelling stories he heard knights bandying about
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: proles are people nao?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vaultputer, so to speak.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i mean physical security, but sure.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: and power!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: and security!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: and ergonomics!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unrepairable, unimproveable.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong
(trilema) ben_vulpes: startac did no wrong
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well, tablet phone.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or the ice.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and what i ask again is wrong with bullets.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: such as?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just price gas out of everyone's hands.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's also the 'battery paste' stuff
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is terrifically good at what it does.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stop trying to disrupt the ice.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: god bless america.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: refrigerates
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kills mileage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or ac!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll take the ancient corvette any day.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bwahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and not in the checked bags.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: probably brought them over himself.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: end game here is a share in a robo fleet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: someone call spamgun.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we can have wifi in the cardano after all!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: goodness. usb hdmi and all.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how much does it cost, and does it *nix?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ikura desu ka, asciilifeform?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n12_RTR3CGTO/main_1200.jpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tis lulzy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s block777
(trilema) ben_vulpes: over 9000
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but uh a pile of money probably
(trilema) ben_vulpes: censors as alf sez
(trilema) ben_vulpes: first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i do have some understanding of how you work
(trilema) ben_vulpes: then your children