(trilema) ben_vulpes: granted that's at 5am
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Burns, OR is 18 F (-8 C) and Snow; windchill is 11 F (-12 C); winds are From the North at 5 MPH
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that'd be a nippy party
(trilema) ben_vulpes: going to be aaaawesome
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this militia action is going to cost the agencies untold sums
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359478 << "10x 3ngin33r!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's popcorn time! http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: quip on
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh it's just alf lol doing in an afternoon what the usg dreamt of doing all throughout the ninedies"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'shiva' dramatically undervalues the work that went into undoing a bastion of the crypto wars, pete_dushenski
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359407 << no shit?! that's monumental.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: supplychain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but not the bitcoin blockchain that's sacred or something so i have a new one
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no but no but we'll do inventory in the blockchain meerka
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've never seen contracts around here run anywhere near what bezzlelandia contracts do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: b,tmsr~
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a PDF with changes conveniently color coded underlined and colorized to highlight moved text, removed text, added text and umpteen other categories of change.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you know what the absolute cherry on top is?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: word
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fucking
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mother
(trilema) ben_vulpes extremely fucking loath to hire us degree holders under the age of forty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: uno minimo respeto por la concern troll!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: leading to a great fuckton of "this corporate document is insufficiently sensitive to groups x y and z, and even though i'm not a part of any of them the corp must now change these docs or else what have i wasted the past n years of my life on anyways"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a thing once a hallmark of literally the 98th percentile is now distributed to more-or-less all comers, but the education is now 90% training people to demand the respect such a diploma'd have warranted in the 1900s and 10% intersectional triggering studies
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "And in the 20th century there were more and more college graduates. They increased from about 2% of the population in 1900 to about 25% in 2000." << if this is true, it definitely explains the PITA that "college educated" people are in the states.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well with bandwidth like that any noise at all would snipe it from the list
(trilema) ben_vulpes: *additional* learning.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: i might understand how it works, but i thought there might be...learning to had lurking over there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359041 << while in theory there is no way to enforce them in practice there is no alternative to the gpg c-ball, and so therefore similarly to how the thing resists librarification it also enforces key expiration. until mpex doesn't respect key expiration, it /is/ enforced.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai is there really something to learn in #joinmarket?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: alternatively, comparing documents manually.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mind = blown
(trilema) ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes'
(trilema) ben_vulpes is cobbling together some grep and sed as we speak to ease the pain of handling fiatland contracts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358897 << amen, especially to the contracting bit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nm, dug it out of logz.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: around?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: raaa
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.almy.us/xlisp.html << apropos of absolutely nothing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, i get that in the mirror every morning
(trilema) ben_vulpes: again
(trilema) ben_vulpes foiled by the universal abhorrence of symmetry in api design
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah well my mistake then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did assbot never do down receipts?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ^^ last three messages
(trilema) ben_vulpes: -assbot- You voiced lobito for 30 minutes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: -assbot- You voiced lobito for 30 minutes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: -assbot- Need a nickname, ben_vulpes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up lobito
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: assbot isn't sending down receipts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down lobito
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up lobito
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down lobito
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hm, well run an assperiment with me briefly? imma down him again and see if assbot still doesn't say anything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: assbot said nothing, and i have voice changes turned off.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't think my down even took.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down lobito
(trilema) ben_vulpes: surely not enough of them are missing enough children for the economy to fail to require they all take care of the grandkinder...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you'd have to clear the grandmothers out first
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this strikes me as a not-half-bad strategy: live in poverty for 9 mos, travel (also in poverty, but looking sooper cool) around fucking the young hotties for 1.5, come home and live on someone's couch looking for the next cafe that needs a warm body.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is also why the hipster girls are shaving their temples when they have otherwise rather nice and well-kempt heads. all the hipster boys work in coffee shops 22 hours/wk, and live in poverty to spend their time touring with 'their band'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how boggle? i didn't notice any l33t doodz in bsas the girls'd dress to the nines for.
(trilema) ben_vulpes enjoys slumming it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: los trabajadores indeed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: blondie with a great rack took lady v and myself to a mega club when we were there. name completely slips my memory, but it was a giant reggaeton/cumbia shitshow palace. no fuckrooms, all concrete
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes catches up to thread tail http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358469 << farmers who don't minimize mortality rates don't last long as farmers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358375 << how d'you propose to price the damage to herd immunity?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unrelated
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-jab-no-pay-immunisation-law-likely-to-go-ahead-20151112-gkx75p.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or anyone else.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can you link me to the "common lisp is for hard problems" naggum bit?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: don't hash power fluctuations make tracking large blocks of time a nondeterministic problem?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is a year?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are pm's actually...p?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plus i have this hunch that reconciling hilarious mpex receipts is an epic pile of work
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "founder" is a very sv title. saccharine, makes my teeth hurt almost.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: software is a skosh more tricky to muntz, especially the shitstack.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's a whole story about a guy who had a teevee fab company
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s muntz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: muntz on, panzer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1224991
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is most apparently when rails devs go "omg docker" because it lets them reproducibly build execution environments
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just because someone's been writing "rails apps" for years doesn't mean they know anything about how ruby works. django/python idem.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and are you programming "php" or are you programming "wordpress"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the play-dough of webdev
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude PeterL you still hafta sign it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is that its send-from or send-to?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, it only has one?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: of course one misses out on all the traderfeelz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you're long and have regular income, dollar-cost-averaging isn't the worst thing in the world.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: terrorist, extirpate thyself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/30/really-rich-people-are-suddenly-paying-quite-a-bit-more-in-taxes/ << http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4tk8aP0s1qdpcoso1_1280.png
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well then skip it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if its onerous skip it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: anyways i have some time right now so choppa choppa
(trilema) ben_vulpes lives in usa, will likely never own coin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: savvy?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for big bash shit (heaven help you) have a single file with the project functions exported, and smaller scripts that import that file and then call the relevant functions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pass args to functions for anything that might change ever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jam discrete bits of side-effect into functions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: set -xeu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fwiw the rules are simple
(trilema) ben_vulpes amazed to be doing this in b-a now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: may as well just gpg-gram it to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get to code review before me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gpg-gram and paste it to me, i'll get to it eventually
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://bikeportland.org/2015/12/30/activists-place-traffic-cones-to-improve-safety-of-bike-lane-along-new-orange-line-max-171493 << cascadians taking road rules into their own hands
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all is void
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nada.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hola shinohai
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hail satan, smoke meth, write c etc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you know where the void is, and the invitation to scream into it probably won't close any time soon.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform subkeys ruining someone's day?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: d'you intend to do something about the snr complaints?
(trilema) ben_vulpes can dig
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "danielpbarron sez ur cheeting, out witcha"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and how to arbitrate?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more relevantly to the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good day, tourists
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tis noble.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > rescuing bitcoins
(trilema) ben_vulpes: haw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > rescuing bitcoins from bitpay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think i'm fine with week stale ratings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trust doesn't operate in real time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !gettrust adlai
(trilema) ben_vulpes chomps
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: stop triggering me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have fun with the pastebuffers tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw rms' turd actually runs better under x11 on os x than under the native windowing system
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform which emacs, which os x. ffs what am i a scryer of retard toolchains?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: s.wooning
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up adlai
(trilema) ben_vulpes: watching you dig your own grave is far too entertaining
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: VYOOOOOOZ
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Azelphur: whaddaya do?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2015#1355769 << just bad memory
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/Z5mEB
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SOPS?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: come out come out wherever you are
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol who are future_prophecy and veqtrus
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you're not Living In Fear (tm) you're not Living American (tm)!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how the world works
(trilema) ben_vulpes: understand
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in what world
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the number of related codes?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: foreskins!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rather nice qntra, BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather
(trilema) ben_vulpes: IT BEGINS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > cutting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are going to get too swole
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: old enough to pick, old enough also to have the wot to select from?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i did think about it for a few weeks before bringing it up. 'was cool' is a simplification of the whole 'semantic web' trip.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tutoring is decent work for a mistress, neh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: narrative scrolling through my head is "tbl made htmlz, smart ppl thot waz cool, rest of internet piled on, shartups demanded cc processing over webz, tls/ssl became defacto"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but never fucking ever will i readily consent to stick my offspring in a daycare for an amount of attention outside of my control to be paid to them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps a slice here or there, like latin or ballroom dancing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have yet to meet a teacher i'd entrust the whole of any educational program to outside my wot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the curricula are purchaseable for like 500 dollars
(trilema) ben_vulpes: /quit
(trilema) ben_vulpes wonders if anyone got the implicit self-deprecatory 'hack' joke
(trilema) ben_vulpes: L33T HAXX0R
(trilema) ben_vulpes: A FLUFFYPONY
(trilema) ben_vulpes: didja take the bitcoin side of the ebt?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: share dump? the sale that would drive the price down to bet-throwing levels?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the story?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > feel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > bet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > regret
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Guest1038
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good grief
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !gup Guest1038
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hyu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up amiller
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ~up amiller
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also, outside my wot. watch me give zero fuxx.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i only know what those fuckwits are up to because of you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai that post predated my ever hearing about segwit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah clever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is this jim crow thing a thread i missed?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: individuals may on occasion change the world of their own accord, but teaching the normie that such is within his grasp is the height of stupid
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where was that?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: incuntmuteable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: s/c/s///
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ouroubot?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: also
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do many deedbot- outputs get spent?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: amiga or c64 but right idea
(trilema) ben_vulpes waits
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes, one price everywhere
(trilema) ben_vulpes didn't think this was news to anyone
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because i'm an impoverished usian?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sixth grade was my last there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: waldorf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nearly as bad
(trilema) ben_vulpes: relatedly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350387 << i am /so/ looking forward to this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s daycare
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and you even have to ask re homeschooling?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's complicated.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/#footnote_3_6479 << lol the car thread really got under your skin huh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351342 << note how only one of the reinderps are actually doing any work
(trilema) ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh more tail risk explosions?
(trilema) ben_vulpes really off now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well git's head is only branch relative non?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: invent it!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: just don't b42 it yo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: roger
(trilema) ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: let me double-check some baseline conclusions first
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps this is what confused me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ask punkman, not me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: up yrs neckbeard