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(trilema) diana_coman: I honestly don't see why would it be a problem to share with x but not with y in l1
(trilema) diana_coman: basically the specific interest is not code's author - he deeds it and then who is interested and in l1 looks at it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, exactly; it was for Mocky's Mocky> maybe share only with those who have specific interest / aligned interest
(trilema) diana_coman: my understanding of it so far is that code is made accessible to l1 only i.e. not delivered to each personally and requiring a stamp or something
(trilema) diana_coman is going to think some more on this
(trilema) diana_coman: and asciilifeform was faster
(trilema) diana_coman: well, if he releases for windows, who the fuck see can't reproduce
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, but how do you even know that the binary he releases is really the code he deeded?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, how do we "control binaries" though?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, as I understand it, this is first and foremost a political statement; the gains are not from "oooh, you don't know my ugly code"
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, q really is why l1 ? basically what does l1 have to do with eulora directly?
(trilema) diana_coman: it doesn't automatically mean that; but if it turns out yes, it's the client's author that is left out to dry, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there is of course the fact that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all that difficult to get in and out - I don't know whether this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, that helps actually - I think I'm getting a better idea of what you're aiming at
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I know, I'm just trying to figure out what this would mean
(trilema) diana_coman: a decent claim to being original author of that code or to what?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, suppose for a minute that someone not in l1 etc comes with a reasonably-close copy of one of those secret-code clients; does that mean l1 leaked or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's dubious that you really can keep source code secret; sure, hurdles help but...
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, given the amount of those around it would seem we are on VERY fertile ground here
(trilema) diana_coman: I guess I'll need to dig into the configure script to figure this one out if nobody saw it before, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, and similar issue as above for...curl; wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's not even that, it's not a location thing apparently
(trilema) diana_coman: and for added lol, same configure on current server reports same there BUT it says zlib is fine, ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: basically I have zlib installed and I even checked: it IS in /lib but ./configure doesn't consider it fine
(trilema) diana_coman: has anyone else run into this sort of thing before? checking if pkg-config recognizes zlib... yes; checking for zlib-config... no
(trilema) diana_coman: he was on ubuntu
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, 4.4.0 works
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, and in good news it turns out that older version of screen compiles fine on proto-cuntoo, hooray!
(trilema) diana_coman: and no, although we are atm still stuck on using cs-boost of sorts, at least no opengl on serverside
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, that was from his client
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, cheers! glad it wasn't worse there really (will see for the rest :D )
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, go for it!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, re screen & nohup: metoo! but nowadays I do use screen a LOT
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, ~all that is *already* in the logs; but I don't know what sort of shoving and pushing and prodding will get him to really search for it
(trilema) diana_coman: I still have to go through the rest and I'll probably report as I go
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, it was the first; but also quite an important one
(trilema) diana_coman: good; explain why do you think it should press that patch ?
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, do you understand how V works?
(trilema) diana_coman: hello xdeller , what brings you here?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up xdeller
(trilema) diana_coman: you can ask; I don't see the benefit to either of us in an answer
(trilema) diana_coman: and a serious dose of log reading seems required; do your searches, gather what answers you get from them , write them in a post on your blog and THEN if it's still unclear come and ask, with a link "here's what I figured out, here's what I still have no idea on"
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, nothing wrong with experimenting as long as it's done with a clear plan and then reported on
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, the fastest way to sync short of feeding the blocks directly is with the agression patch
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, search for "trb node" in the logs - that's about the closest you'll get
(trilema) diana_coman: !!s trb node
(trilema) diana_coman: this is not even a bad project for starting, so go for it, just do it properly and publish the write up
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, it will get slower; iirc there is even some known further slow down ~300k ; that doesn't mean though that more cores will do anything; before you attempt throwing more cores at it or better disks or whatever, you need to understand *what* causes this slow down; so if you are serious about it, go and investigate and see where is the bottleneck
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, cool, no hurry
(trilema) diana_coman: it's mandatory before talking in it today
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc no, it does not; did you read the log for yesterday?
(trilema) diana_coman: procedure for evaluating time?? link?
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, did you get the timing patch and noticed lower timings or how is that "painfully slow to process blocks" evaluated?
(trilema) diana_coman: there, I rated you so you should be able to self-voice now
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 8376BDDBF18F260F7DF218B104B676C9726A5BB17942BA1CDAA49A6E5AD50C88
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, do make yourself a blog
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, the good approach there is to gather data on that, publish it with discussion and link it here
(trilema) diana_coman: there is that "I'm too poor to afford cheap things"
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; do you have a blog anywhere?
(trilema) diana_coman: so what are you doing with it exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, what are you working on?
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, voicing is based on your standing with deedbot
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up brazilish
(trilema) diana_coman: I meant: to ask early about it and get help figuring it all out
(trilema) diana_coman: and as a customer of Pizarro I'd be very happy to know that BingoBoingo takes on the management role and gets it moving;also, re directions to my mind this forum here is a great place to come and ask about scary/unknown stuff *early*
(trilema) diana_coman: please remove kvm and cables
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, asciilifeform BingoBoingo thumbs up, box is ready, thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1 is l1 too
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, I'm full time at s.mg as it is
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, who exactly do you think would fit the bill anyway?
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, ok, but this doesn't strike me like a position that you can interview for exactly just like that, you print the ad in the newspaper and interview applicants or something
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, BingoBoingo aren't you though in the best position to work this out?
(trilema) diana_coman: in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing
(trilema) diana_coman: not that much; I can make such clothes just like I can still make bread by hand; but the time needed to make them....
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, I have some *clothes* that are older than me and look better than new stuff, what can I say
(trilema) diana_coman: the sad part being that really, it's not *just* tech stuff that used to work for ages, it's ~everything
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, that's grandparents', yes; next generation basically
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose my great grandparents' house could work fine as a museum
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, HA, a fram exactly like that was actually IN USE at the countryside 10 years ago; for all I know it might even still work if anybody plugs it in
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect it is tbh but yes, we need some data on this
(trilema) diana_coman: the by-now-usual "it's stupider than you'd think"
(trilema) diana_coman: right; I didn't press that patch
(trilema) diana_coman: reporting is still a different thing
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. noob comes, wants to run node, can point him to minimal reporting guidelines sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, but it might even help at a later time; it wouldn't be wasted time at any rate
(trilema) diana_coman: shinohai, hey, thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, I didn't; and yes, it has stayed as far as I can tell (i.e. I check it daily to see if it's in sync and it has been in sync for several months now); if you have somewhere a step-by-step thing with what would be interesting to publish, I can go through it and do it but otherwise tbh I'm so swamped with other stuff that it's waaaay at the bottom of any queue
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I will certainly carry out the tests ofc but this was what I observed atm
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, now they both work, hence my wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: brazilish, register a key if you want to be any sort of person around here
(trilema) diana_coman: nope, no such thing as usual brazilian guy
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key brazilish
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ok
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, hence my "I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed "
(trilema) diana_coman: re vtools fwiw I pressed it fine with traditional vtron
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, will do; atm I'm gathering all the stuff from the log; wouldn't it make more sense next time to just send it together with access stuff? I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, you usually use your name so it's first time it saw your nick, hence -> moderating
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's on, you wrote it while I was writing mine and it got into the moderating queue
(trilema) diana_coman: cool, will wait for the summary + access then
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, re ssh key, pizarro already has mine, just use that one; re box: I've read through the logs and in the end I'm still confused as to *what* is in there now - is it musltronic system or not?
(trilema) diana_coman: and then I read next line, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, the ban mask and flags for using the 32 cpus of the box seem to me absolutely needed as a minimum; mind adding them ?
(trilema) diana_coman: <asciilifeform> as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench. <- smg is an ice breaker of all sorts, what can I tell you
(trilema) diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought that was the old one?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's not a v.pl problem really at any rate; it wasn't directly clear keccak hashes and yest was a long day here
(trilema) diana_coman: right, good to know
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831973 -> asciilifeform any eta/status/update/something on this?
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot, right, it's keccak hashes so ofc v.pl barfs although it's weird that it first presses so much of it and only then randomly throws up; at any rate, on different arch, phf's vpatch pressed the mp-wp genesis so at least the genesis itself seems all right
(trilema) diana_coman: fixed, thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: that's where I was looking for it!
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, um, nv esthlos ; found it at the bottom, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: no idea but fwiw I was playing with it on the rockchip; as far as I can tell both lobbes and esthlos used some previous versions; (btw esthlos can you maybe show the date of the post somewhere convenient? it's really weird to have to guess it/search for it)
(trilema) diana_coman: so I'm asking here as honestly I had quite enough of software for today
(trilema) diana_coman: and on the other hand sure enough the hash calculated on whatever it spew of it is the one it reports and ofc it doesn't match what is in the vpatch
(trilema) diana_coman: and on one hand the file complained about has only *one* entry in the genesis vpatch i.e. just created so wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: today is clearly not my day for working stuff; it's the weirdest thing I've seen: v.pl dies at *different files* at each run complaining that sha sum doesn't match
(trilema) diana_coman: did anyone actually press the re-grind of mp-wp genesis ? (this: http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ )?
(trilema) diana_coman: the actual pressing as far as v reports the flow works as expected
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw it's not a matter of pressing weird stuff - v.pl doesn't even report some patches in the flow at all if ALL patches in both branches are present
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, I just dug up some q67
(trilema) diana_coman: the sound made in the void between the ears?
(trilema) diana_coman: there were at least 2 pointy hints this time!
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, no stamina even, where are the retards d'antan
(trilema) diana_coman: Scwepp, did you solve all the other, more close to home problems and that's the only trouble you have left?
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, I just entirely forgot that discussion until spyked mentioned it
(trilema) diana_coman: how's it for you mod6 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: not bad, at least some things are working! heh
(trilema) diana_coman: I guess I'll leave a comment on his blog for easier future ref
(trilema) diana_coman: I even remember the issue being discussed now that you mention it
(trilema) diana_coman: right you are, it does work! thank you spyked, you saved me a ton of time really
(trilema) diana_coman: or what, I need to delete the patches from the other side? hmmm, let me try that
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked, but it doesn't see even 1 side fully
(trilema) diana_coman: moreover, v.pl doesn't see/accept all patches: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/45WHe/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, I'm having trouble with latest vtools it seems (gcc and gnat version at the end of paste): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WJios/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key greekboi
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key greekboi_
(trilema) diana_coman: it does seem to me that you need the functionality of lobbes's bot but with different parameters basically so perhaps customised, pizarro bot
(trilema) diana_coman: well, you are selling btc, right? so your "item" is 1.5bn coppers and the opening bid is 1025$; granted I'm not sure how would that work with lobbes's auction bot since the price there is in Ecu aka satoshis
(trilema) diana_coman: basically people can bid more btc , not more $ so I don't see how is this meant to work
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, I find that confusing there: the auctions effectively state you are selling 1025$, not btc
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, they used to faint all the time sometimes for real for lack of air
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I still remember that once-alive liver with corset-imprint in it
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, measure 10 times, cut once and esp... know why you chose whatever you chose
(trilema) diana_coman: it can't hurt to have a lisp implementation of keccak too imo
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, the fix is literally one line + test of the issue
(trilema) diana_coman: alternatively you can press to ch9 and then add the fix on top I guess
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, you can compile it standalone but indeed because of the bitrate fix you'll need to patch all the way to that at least so getting everything in
(trilema) diana_coman: si pentru spiritul tovarasesc!
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, this might be premature ; it's more that I'm surprised gprbuild couldn't quite do what you needed
(trilema) diana_coman: or there's something I don't quite follow there
(trilema) diana_coman: hmm, but you can in any case just write a .gpr that builds the object files for precisely the files you want, no/
(trilema) diana_coman: what was exactly you couldn't build with gprbuild and needed the makefile for?
(trilema) diana_coman: that looks good ave1
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque's script is basically proto-cuntoo as far as I understand it; and it will result in a mulstronic system so why are we talking of a glibc box?
(trilema) diana_coman: right; yes, indeed
(trilema) diana_coman: from the other side: why would rotor-style be a better option than using trinque's script above?
(trilema) diana_coman: I do appreciate both your offer and your other work
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, we are atm trying to not waste effort, not really adding *more* effort into it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> afaik that passes. diana_coman did it ? <- yes for eulora-server code itself
(trilema) diana_coman: on musltronic system?
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, but what is there to gain from that instead of simply building it on cuntoo directly?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, uhm, but how about the deps?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010 <- this; my understanding is that it would still give a musltronic system, right?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, my understanding was that you can release something that can be installed currently (although not final version)?
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, ~anyone stuck in a similar situation would learn it quite as fast; and that "easily" means mum talking like crazy all the time, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; (though I must say: next time anyone says kids learn languages "easily" I'll punch them on the spot)
(trilema) diana_coman: resistors, capacitors, a led
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu fwiw kid also got a basic set of electronic components and a board to stick them onto + booklet with ~100 basic circuits and he's been having a blast with it although I'd say he still has a way to go to fully grasp what he's doing
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828397 -> ben_vulpes, mod6, BingoBoingo what's the status on this?
(trilema) diana_coman: hooray, thank you trinque !
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 198DE45A4B9E7E0587B685B5068D99F94DF9A38C3E2D39799BA314DDA015ABB2
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, yes! aha, so all I need to do is do the !!pay-invoice lobbes 3 and that's it; correct?
(trilema) diana_coman: lol, will wait for trinque to come to the rescue
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831631 -> I messed it up because pay instead of pay-invoice so it didn't go through, fine; but now it seems still stuck
(trilema) diana_coman: !!pay-invoice lobbes
(trilema) diana_coman: mk, let's see
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought it was either with number or without number, ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: or what, now I can't pay using old method?
(trilema) diana_coman: it gave me the otp ; it just did not reply/confirm/do anything with the decoded string sent via !!v
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, weird stuff: sent the !!v on that !!pay to deedbot but no answer; and otherwise it does answer to further !!ledger (not showing the payment) -> did I mess something up there, trinque ?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!pay lobbes 3
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, cool, thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I checked and it shows in ledger too so it clearly went through
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, I don't follow; I paid the Q1 invoice http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802318 so what bundled?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831260 <- heh, like always; the summaries page looks useful to me
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, believe it or not but I have former university colleagues who work for google "because it pays well"; and I'm not at all surprised: while at uni they similarly went to microsoft's local "lab" licking whatever was available to lick; essentially I'd have been surprised if they did NOT work for google /microsoft /similar
(trilema) diana_coman: lol mircea_popescu we'll end up linking phuctor to eulora and have "had his key phucked. Congratulations!"
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha; at his 5 years of age, I can use hand no problem
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, now that instantly created this image of mircea-yaga with an apron and the huge spanking spoon
(trilema) diana_coman: that sounds like an euloran scene
(trilema) diana_coman: but other than that I'd say it is indeed sprinkled (if not in those words) in a few articles, not grouped though
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it already happened to me a couple of times before to think I read something on trilema but find instead that it was on #trilema
(trilema) diana_coman: known best from "facui si dresei, cu nimic nu m-alesei" :P
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, path of least resistance is same, what
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel them off one by one
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, engine and everything else in a can
(trilema) diana_coman: one of the many ways client croaks from time to time
(trilema) diana_coman: cs stands for crystalspace asciilifeform
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, cheers! and updated with floating image because that screenshot was lousy beyond belief
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, that doesn't even sound *that* bad
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, I guess now I have to post a screenshot with alf-dedication :P
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, the part that is not obvious when you see only random kids is that they learn what *you* show them; so if you make it clear work time and get them busy at that time etc there's no problem really
(trilema) diana_coman is actually quite poor at multitasking
(trilema) diana_coman: programming doesn't go well with interruptions or at least not for me
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, no, work time is work time, can't really mix them
(trilema) diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
(trilema) diana_coman: get a kid - that one jumps at you even more!!
(trilema) diana_coman: wow, congrats BingoBoingo !
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O he can at least come back, there is that
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key KimuSan^
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly several times until it stops going in a loop among other things
(trilema) diana_coman: KimuSan^, better write your explanation on your blog
(trilema) diana_coman: baby steps is when baby tries to walk for real - with all the bumps and crying that happens; it's not when baby "walks" by having parent holding it in the air and moving its legs as if it was walking, all the time saying for good measure "you are walking baby, yeee"
(trilema) diana_coman: why should they start encrypting if they don't understand much about it
(trilema) diana_coman: KimuSan^, mno, it's called many things and none of them any good
(trilema) diana_coman: and at any rate you haven't actually answered the question: why ?
(trilema) diana_coman: KimuSan^, you are effectively saying "I want my father to get X but he can't or won't so I feed him something that *looks* like X and that's great because reasons"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ahahah, loopety loop
(trilema) diana_coman: KimuSan^, why do you think that those biting such "gateway drug" (let alone needing that much baiting and so on) *should* "start encrypting" or have anything to do with signing anything?
(trilema) diana_coman: if we can indeed just move it over on a wed downtime then yes, not needed for sure;
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's certainly fine for testing at this stage; presumably later if we get everything compiling fine and bring eucrypt in we might want to have both but it's not at all a requirement atm
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. the ssds and the full set of fg
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, when is the eta for having them?
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds ok to me too
(trilema) diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, hm, the kernel config suitable for the hardware in principle exists already as it would be the same as it is for non-musltronic gentoo, or am I wrong here?
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