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(trilema) diana_coman: that being said, I dug up and yes, I even have an i7 around here
(trilema) diana_coman: that's precisely why the slow pace - I need a bit of fresher mind to get back and read through the rest of ffa
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'll try to get to it but more probably in January really
(trilema) diana_coman: on one hand there is what mircea_popescu says that yes, by now and given the type of rot it's actually to be expected; on the other hand it's of the sort that still sounds...unbelievable, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: oh wow asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: from what you say it would seem that you are actually using a keccak version but that doesn't fit with what you said earlier re checksums not matching
(trilema) diana_coman: probably best look into it and figure out what you are using really
(trilema) diana_coman: vtools uses sha iirc?
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg, well, if the hash is not keccak, you can't exactly press it on top of a keccak patch; and moreover if the sig doesn't verify then it doesn't press it so how would the changes be there?
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg, sounds good; when you say genesis I assume you mean http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis ; correct?
(trilema) diana_coman: billymg, what did you vdiff against?
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. first strips everything and then applies what it's meant to be
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's the theme on top because mine has a bit of very heavy handed my-way-or-the-highway re styles
(trilema) diana_coman: funnily enough you can actually even do that if absolutely must: inside blockquote
(trilema) diana_coman: and blockquote that works too with original at: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m2WLn/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: the links are anyway with own style applied, hence yes, nothing to see if you want to overwrite the theme's style for links
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ugh, you want strong on top of link? wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see the strong in mine; what did you put in there exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: this might be to some extent theme-related as well but I'm not too keen on sinking time digging into it really
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on <strong> </strong> for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882978 -> I'm in 2 minds on it: basically there is a lot to gain from doing it, the way I see it so that's a big pull; onth it can eat up a lot of time and it's not always the easiest of things either
(trilema) diana_coman: perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs!
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: fixed now, seems to work fine
(trilema) diana_coman: in some parts you had "<a href=gwrg> gjw</a>" and in some parts no "" at all
(trilema) diana_coman: afaik it's always been <a href="felgjer">gjewpg</a> , no?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll try to recover it anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: from what I see in the paste you did not use "" for the links though?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, fixed the "whe" and thanks for the comment! Can you believe that summary is actually...5k words and a bit to spare too?
(trilema) diana_coman: onth in dex I found bildibic but not your bilbidic
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, one of those that changes when you cross the mountains then?
(trilema) diana_coman: and bibic, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: not to mention babalic
(trilema) diana_coman: bilbidic or bildibic?
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re ((123)) comments my plugin at least requires a space i.e. (( 123))
(trilema) diana_coman: but for the rest...no idea really
(trilema) diana_coman: the summaries link is still working from what I can see
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, esthlos's blog at blog.esthlos.com gives for me "error establishing a database connection"?? yo, esthlos, what are you doing those days?
(trilema) diana_coman: I actually timed it on a comp and it's not *that* bad,no
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, yes: vjuh!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46
(trilema) diana_coman is impressed with asciilifeform's lolcat skillz in latest ffa proof :D
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, "outaged" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, it was in modqueue because of link
(trilema) diana_coman: try it now asciilifeform
(trilema) diana_coman also hopes Mocky does come back!
(trilema) diana_coman can picture the summaries of the summaries
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm sure it can also fully and without problems "summarize" the twitter twatter
(trilema) diana_coman: I can also add that doing those summaries is useful in cementing my previous idea that they really have to be done manually - there's no way to link the various bits and pieces correctly without actually understanding the content; even with pointers from one line to another, even with some set of terms and definitions , it would still likely fail
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I did not read it as a neutral symbol, hence my "" for it; but I don't really know how to convey more clearly that it's the opposite of actual smart (other than either explicitly noting that or using the "" that seems to fail to work)
(trilema) diana_coman: in the original discussion in the logs; my q is whether the summary seems to miss the point somehow/convey a different "smart" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: yes; that's the sense of smart in there, sure; does it seem different from the summary or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, someone has to make them for them to exist at all! and yeah, this one is significantly longer and also took a couple of hours more; I suspect the longer I go back the longer it will take because more recent ones have the advantage of being relatively fresh in my mind - I keep up with the log throughout the day to some extent anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, that makes sense, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, that sounds...dubious for a summary! but thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: not unusual for conversations in #trilema either
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I don't mean it in the sense that anyone in there got attacked; simply in the sense that it started from something and ended up in an entirely (if totally valid!) different place
(trilema) diana_coman: good - my re-reading makes for re-reading :D
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, but going from vdiff to "being smart" of people sounds rather vicious to me
(trilema) diana_coman: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out -> fwiw I already tuned out
(trilema) diana_coman: but re articles on trilema in general I'd say that they certainly build a LOT on pre-existing stuff so yes, on one hand better and on the other hand more complex
(trilema) diana_coman hasn't yet read the Post Malone thing
(trilema) diana_coman: corrections added with links in a comment too
(trilema) diana_coman: and thank you for all the feedback!
(trilema) diana_coman: the knob+time is always and forever as it was
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, ah, re time; well, it's the 3 hours after ..how many years
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, this is mainly because of this repeated "oh, this was around for ages; uhm, no, actually since ~2 months ago"
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought she was anyway moving on to doing the ocr thing?
(trilema) diana_coman: this is not to say that any week would take the same, as I don't expect it would
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr the whole thing took a bit less than 3 hours including some re-reading of stuff just-because
(trilema) diana_coman: right, no ways to improve the algorithms rather
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I was scratching head re golden veal, lol; that'd be the steak basically
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose log etiquette is not obvious
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, in principle you can run out of space and that'll raise an exception and program dies :D
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, fixed
(trilema) diana_coman: they will just get potentially stuck waiting for queue to empty
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; thin sender/receiver can't do anything about it anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: because they are non-client/app specific really
(trilema) diana_coman: given the decision for thin, it makes sense, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: which other way?
(trilema) diana_coman: they are same code except payload_len parameter
(trilema) diana_coman: create one rsa_sender or one s_sender
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, it's "different" in the sense of one parameter
(trilema) diana_coman: you don't have to deploy rsa sender on s box
(trilema) diana_coman: one sender each too
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, no
(trilema) diana_coman: "as asciilifeform describes" aka 1 item put/get at a time; 2 different queues, one for rsa one for s
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, confusion all over
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I thought you got that?
(trilema) diana_coman: q1 has 22 elements all of which are rsa packets; q2 has 33 items all of which are s packets ; rsa processor eats from q1 , s processor from q2
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what is to happen?
(trilema) diana_coman: my implementation is just a bounded queue fifo, 1 item at a time in /out; and yes, I looked again at Ada's standard stuff and I could use I think a bounded_synchronized_queue container but then it forces me to put/get full structure
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. yes, it could have been implemented as mircea_popescu describes if I didn't aim for this specifically
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the way I implemented it it's as asciilifeform says but the reason it is *this* data structure is because of intended use so linked to above
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that's precisely why I made it that way; I suppose it's not clear there at all but yes - because processing of rsa/s is meant to be easily and entirely separated physically, aka machines
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, rewinding: thin sender/receiver wrappers; on udp lib eggog, program dies (hopefully more gracefully than disgracefully but still death)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re ignore vs retry this sent me into confusion-mode: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880648
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't know if/that that is indeed the only thing that can kill the socket; and testing won't quite tell me either
(trilema) diana_coman: right, that wasn't the proposed approach at any time
(trilema) diana_coman: that was my original meaning but then I got the impression you said the wrapper should ignore so then...it should keep trying?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose "ignore" in the sense of let the exception propagate and the program die
(trilema) diana_coman: the sender? so it's not ignore, but "abort all"?
(trilema) diana_coman: or which one do you call wrapper?
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, how/why?
(trilema) diana_coman: I mean don't keep trying to send on a closed socket sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't mean "resend this packet"
(trilema) diana_coman: but if udp lib closed the socket how would it help?
(trilema) diana_coman: weird because no way to recover even if plugged back in or something
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't know but given Close_Socket(S), ignoring seems rather ...
(trilema) diana_coman: well, udp lib closes the socket in this case
(trilema) diana_coman: q is what should sender do
(trilema) diana_coman: so raises UDP_Failed_Transmit
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, it fails to transmit
(trilema) diana_coman: to use correct terminology
(trilema) diana_coman: what should sender/receiver do on udp lib barf
(trilema) diana_coman: the one thing hanging would be re errors I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, works, it's a clear decision at least
(trilema) diana_coman: what is there to stop it
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, client CAN send
(trilema) diana_coman: 3. I think that's to be a dynamic thing basically aka at a higher level server looks and if it needs to, it creates more workers to process those messages accumulating there
(trilema) diana_coman: 1. expected bottleneck is message processing: encrypting/decrypting sounds most likely but in principle whatever further processing since not even specified yet fully! 2. the everything else is raw udp (aka udp lib) and feeding it/reading from it aka those would be sender/receivers
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes; the idea though was not to lose the packets that made it to the nic though aka because server busy sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman: that's what I've been going round in for most of today!!
(trilema) diana_coman: well, except for the case where 1mn simultaneous clients I suppose but possibly that gets lost before even reaching the nic
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, as long as sender/receiver are ultra-thin aka only from/to queue to/from udp lib then no clog expected at socket
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I made it generic so I don't have to copy/paste code just for different const
(trilema) diana_coman: doesn't even bother to decrypt or whatnot because anyway it has no info as to keys and all that
(trilema) diana_coman: receiver just grabs from udp lib and drops into a queue
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that was my current idea: 2 sockets, one for rsa and one for serpent, with different ports too
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't follow - 1mn clients can send 1mn datagrams to server, what has serpent to do ?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, the q is basically: how many messages/sec clogs the socket essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, you do need because 2 different sizes i.e. 2 different udp lib types essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, lol, no, the point there is the sender/receiver layer of a eulora app essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: since Julian was at my talk on Monday, he now knows something about WoT :D But more to the point: he is so far the one and only Uni lecturer who wants to understand this bitcoin thing as opposed to just talk about it. So I'm quite happy he's here.
(trilema) diana_coman: oh hey, welcome juliankunkel !
(trilema) diana_coman: juliankunkel, try !!up now
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rated juliankunkel
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll read in more detail again at any rate, won't hurt
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc there is some synchronized queue interface and container but it seemed overkill
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I guess I need to search more and see exactly what it provides then
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, ah, that would explain it yes; at any rate it's no rush at all and no real trouble caused
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, the whole "security testing" seems to be "check if they do x and y and z if they don't do one of them then vulnerability!!!"; no context, no interest for what the thing is or in what context it is used or what it stands for, nothing more than "did they say tovarase ceausescu x times per page?"
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880441 -> as in "can't stand it" or "can't make sense of it"?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, now it answers !!ledger though so I guess it was a hiccup at that time
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, at ~11 and then later at 11:26; in between those it worked perfectly fine to rate
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, he prolly found therefore a vulnerability in deedbot too!! look, he can still speak even if no voice
(trilema) diana_coman: quite; tbh it merges into a sort of "code political correctness" model to me: basically the effect does not matter, but if you use the "wrong" and unapproved formulation then it's BAD; and it should be reported; and it matters!
(trilema) diana_coman: I lost count how many times I told him to go & exploit but apparently I don't know anything about modern vulnerabilities that can't be exploited
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll consider it as part of my fanbase as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879491
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, is the !!ledger cmd not working? deedbot seems to ignore it (didn't yet reply to one sent ~30 minutes ago although it replied to the !!rate meanwhile)
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 26D6263DD1CF71B77F9F08B00E556AFD5151F70108D684D43B134054F28A21FF
(trilema) diana_coman: !v 26D6263DD1CF71B77F9F08B00E556AFD5151F70108D684D43B134054F28A21FF
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rated douchebag
(trilema) diana_coman: Mocky, don't worry, nobody will ever help you against own wishes
(trilema) diana_coman: might burn more than hunger for sure
(trilema) diana_coman: not until now; thinking
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880271 -> I was under the impression that Mocky wasn't tied up /very happy in current place; why local /us anyway?
(trilema) diana_coman: it always sounded rather...menacingly/cold to me, lol; ash != sand I'd say
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, so that Arenal area in CR is meant as...sands/sandy or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see it easily; it's a human right to have it easy in whatever definition of easy one might have floating by
(trilema) diana_coman: since asciilifeform was asking re what does "it's not fair" mean - from what I can tell, precisely that: if one finds it hard, then it's not fair
(trilema) diana_coman: do they also use "cuesta mucho" for "it's not fair"? it'd be quite on point at least from what I can tell
(trilema) diana_coman: I think it's simply a matter of effort-avoidance, what; i.e. change aka innovation is always "hard" so by consensus subversion will be attempted until ~all possible attempts are exhausted, sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, I don't see how can "inclusion" happen without subversion, no
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: eulora-style, "get lucky"
(trilema) diana_coman: it certainly is the first "jump"
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, eleven-ness was 232 sort of thing i.e. ..ah, I see vs 223
(trilema) diana_coman: I kind of suspect it's either pressure on the spot or people not really used to mental maths
(trilema) diana_coman: come to think of it re 221 I don't get it; even without a calc, still: 2 no because odd, 3 no because 2+2+1=5, 5 no because 1 at end, 7 no because 21, then 11, 11 no because 22, 1, 13 takes a bit perhaps but...
(trilema) diana_coman tends to err on the side of "no way are they going to kill my talk on THIS"
(trilema) diana_coman: neah, something quite large, 2179*3167
(trilema) diana_coman: well, they obv had their laptops and whatnot, so yeah, I counted on "with calcs" hence larger
(trilema) diana_coman: but uhm, 13 is the 6th number max one would try; with a calc at hand, it can't take more than 2 minutes
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, fanbase,pfuai
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I was expecting them to be even harder to get to so overall I'm quite pleased with it; now if at least one of them actually *does* something too as a result, that'd be already bonus
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that might be it re mic - while I can certainly screech if try, I usually don't; never had problems with audience not hearing me but the recording ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, that was "compilers" for us
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd call it more of a seminar at best
(trilema) diana_coman: basically I could have a chat with them all and I know their faces already without any trouble
(trilema) diana_coman: neah, it was a smallish room, certainly not a 500 seat hall
(trilema) diana_coman: they were "supposed to be 40" I've been told afterwards
(trilema) diana_coman: they probably...were already
(trilema) diana_coman: but yeah, it can't be that much; anyways, it's done, not as if I'm running after making presentations, ugh;
(trilema) diana_coman: yeah, I did not even consider getting the gear myself - if they weren't so inept re org I'd have just ask the uni to provide, wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: basically the only time it worked fine it was with a mic attached and that was it
(trilema) diana_coman: but how clear; well, at any rate I can always try it again, won't hurt; I *did* consider it but remembered last time I cursed at such a "recording" and ...
(trilema) diana_coman: I also move quite a lot actually, I don't tend to sit by the laptop or anything of the sort
(trilema) diana_coman: as the sound is horrible at best
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, from all my previous experience, that's more like an exercise in frustration afterwards
(trilema) diana_coman: why not, what's wrong with iceland?!
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, the "telephone adapter" thing
(trilema) diana_coman: for completeness, the tcpdump cmd was this: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 7000 -vv -X
(trilema) diana_coman: as it's all pizarro anyway I suppose you can just set up some testing if you want more details on that
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: it's xubuntu, not gentoo
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, onth the host machine otherwise *does* have python installed, v 2.7.6 so dunno, somehow it did install it without the shm thing
(trilema) diana_coman: kk; meanwhile I still have on the list to figure out what's the diff that messes up the python installation thing on the other machine...
(trilema) diana_coman: np, let me know if there's anything else I can provide to help
(trilema) diana_coman: now I'm even curious if it's the same as bvt's
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, clear is clear for who has any idea ; but tbh I think it was the first time they really got *any* idea re crypto at all
(trilema) diana_coman: they did wake up at some point and esp re the WoT - perhaps it was closer home, or perhaps it rankled more
(trilema) diana_coman: and for that matter I did not even mention rsa by name
(trilema) diana_coman: no, nobody asked
(trilema) diana_coman: criticism welcome - I'll take notes for next time basically
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways, now I'm kind of curious whether any of them actually makes a key and shows up in #eulora or somewhere
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, I asked the prof to take at least some pictures and he was so intently following that he...forgot; had to ask him at the end to take at least 2, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll publish the slides and all
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, basically "what is bitcoin" + innovation vs subversion and I used WoT + V as examples; the WoT sparked a ton of questions
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll get around to do a write-up hopefully
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879340 -> it actually was fun - it rankled them badly that "it's not fair" lol
(trilema) diana_coman will go now to Reading Uni to talk to students; will bbl
(trilema) diana_coman: I read it as "more of those 'you should prefer that' " so I ignored it entirely; from what I saw, current gentoo whines similarly of all sorts and in copious quantities
(trilema) diana_coman: we don't have, no; afaik it hasn't been actually tried as such, so possibly doable, no idea
(trilema) diana_coman: let me know if there is some specific info I can provide to help re diff perhaps
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")
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