asciilifeform: i.e. could demand from the log bot to verify that it joins chans, w/out stopping it
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:38:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )
asciilifeform: seems to be the experience, that if you want item that actually worx, gotta go an' write...
asciilifeform: there's coupla dozen of these. afaik none actually work w/out bucket of holy water and incantations
asciilifeform: in fact half the point of having that 'apache' to start with
asciilifeform: it remains the case that this is distincly job for the www server frontend, tho, and not individual proggy behind it
asciilifeform: ( there's no ~logical~ reason for it not to work, it's quite evidently Right Thing; simply happened that all the heathen utils for the job, were liquishit )
asciilifeform: rly there oughta be a apache-end util for this, but iirc mp_en_viaje actually went an' tried 9000 of'em and all were duds
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, pages are 50kb at a time. takes a whole lotta them to make a difference.
mp_en_viaje: (it is evidently useful to ~save them~, as you found out yourself earlier in #eulora, that the search included them helped you)
asciilifeform: ( personally would leave out the join/partisms but perhaps that's just me )
asciilifeform: i like the colours
mp_en_viaje: well, i expect he'll publish it next week sometime, then can read.
asciilifeform: theoretically this is Right Thing, mp_en_viaje . only headache is that 'flask' etc shitshow doesn't offer any path to it.
mp_en_viaje: the whole point re logs is they don't really change except at the tip. like blockchains.
mp_en_viaje: whenever they're linked
mp_en_viaje: saved 99% of all the sweat. once you get more than .05 hits/s this will matter.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: say i reply to yesterday's line from mp_en_viaje . nao the cached copy of yesterday's log is logically invalid (dun have the backlink to today's reply)
mp_en_viaje: for the application of logger as we use it, it's immensely better to keep the cache as html files on disk.
asciilifeform: these caches live in ram ( 'flask' dun offer a disk cache, and it'd nuke the ssd at any rate )
mp_en_viaje: rather than as non-htmlized in-ram
mp_en_viaje: first time any page is asked for, first look if there already, if not, shit it out.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927573 << btw i considered 'shit static pages' . has the obv. costs ( can never put in phf-style backlinks; or rather they then have O(N) cost ; and repair work like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927470 becomes very, very expensive )
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : anne heche got genital herpes from her father, who "sexually teased" her until she got her period or thereabouts -- this entirely has nothing to do with her "lesbian"-ism ; jessica alba got genital herpes from some indian dude ; paris hilton also got, possibly from dog ; britney spears got it as a teen ; pamela anderson, lindsay lohan (doh)...
asciilifeform: this was deliberate, so can work with e.g. a temporarily-disconnected znc on the other end
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: correct; current bot actually makes no attempt to determine whether in fact fleanode is on other end, or 'netcat' and silence
asciilifeform: ( for folx who did not read the genesis -- snsabot is 100% 'naked' sockets , dun include any 'irc libs', so entirely possible that i missed some other fleanode wart ! )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but that's the point... if you're not in it... dun work... ergo you know you're not in.
asciilifeform: ( until then, errybody plz poke asciilifeform with stick if ever notice that bot is awol !!! )
mp_en_viaje: if it's there this can be done, if it's not there this... can't be done. maybe someone knows how to take pip out of the process. if it's there they'll do it, if not there they won' chase you. and so following.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to add this, to the bot, else it cannot be considered automatic
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, moreover, your reasoning is quite jumpy. who said that the only possible use of genesis'd material is to run it as-is ? conceivably someone might want to import... your html scheme
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tho i suppose this is already enuff to litmus whether in-$chan or not
lobbes: I'll see if I can't make a blog post about this describing the ugliness under the hood of the current #e logger
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-28 13:41:45 lobbes: Chiefly because in order to even install the heathen python coad, you need to first install and use "pip", which is dubious in its own right (see their 'mandatory code of conduct' for starters: https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/code-of-conduct/)
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: regarding a) it is because even if genesis-ed the user would need to install and use pip >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-28#1925233
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:38:49 asciilifeform: there are 3 possible pills : 1) increase delay (and there is no guarantee from fleanode re what suffices) 2) do as ben's bot did, and await the fleanode-specific 'you've been authed' string when connecting 3) perform test re which chans we are in, when connected, and retry until the set of which-chans is equal to the config'd set
asciilifeform: seems like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora/2019-08-11#1000055 is the set of possible pills
asciilifeform: i'm gonna believe all the folx with raw logz tho, the bot evidently wasn't actually ~there~ until last reset
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora/2019-08-11#1000056 << rright, that's the interesting part
mp_en_viaje: then you decided to re-write it because i dunno why. then you decided to not rewrite it anymore, because too much work.
lobbes: vs, say, something that queries the db on viewing each log page
lobbes: however, I'm wondering if there is value in just having something that just spits static files in a colorized format (ala the old eulora logger)
lobbes: now, I could make a logotron that either displays lines from that db, OR from ZNC logs/irssi logs
lobbes: I was going to make a logotron that displays loglines on a www. The logbot itself is already published (the one made by trinque/ben_vulpes)
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: yeah, I think I might just do that. Make a simple parser that eats (perhaps even from the logbot db) and spits out html. I'll have to think on it
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, maybe you could just make your new logotron use the old ~format~ for spitting out html files ? the format itself must be portable neh ?
asciilifeform: so far only can see that 1) bot is there 2) no missed lines in any other chan 3) logs when i shat there just now 4) indicates that is 1st log line in #e since tuned in
asciilifeform: why lobbes has these feedbot ticks and i not ??
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: well, I still want to complete my own logotron. if there is an interest in a redone version of that old logger, perhaps I can respec
asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje : did feedbot actually emit irc lines in #e ? cuz i'm not seeing either http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-08-03.log.html#t14:41:25 or http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-08-06.log.html#t16:55:36 or http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-08-07.log.html#t19:00:04 in mine ?
mp_en_viaje: the colorized names work well as an alternative to linecolors imi.
lobbes: lol mp_en_viaje beat me to the punch
lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-08-07 19:00:04: <feedbot> http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum
asciilifeform: and diana_coman's defo postdates the revv-up of snsabot
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, feedbot reads her blog there too
asciilifeform: lobbes maybe you have >1 chan mixed together in yer orig log
asciilifeform: lobbes: and, e.g. 999999;1565204404;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum postdates the birth of the logger, so wai 999999 ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-being-the-main-character-in-your-own-tv-show-is-sort-of-a-delusion-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Being The Main Character In Your Own TV Show Is Sort Of A Delusion. Adnotated.
lobbes: phew, well my pyturd eater is complete. Gonna eat about 4 years of #e logs for deeding, then genesis teh eater itself and publish
mp_en_viaje: speaking of meat btw : isn't it lulzy that all the butthurt coverage of sagawa (typical) somehow omits to mention that since the dude didn't kill anyone again, a) it's very dubious confinement would have helped anything and b) by implication, it's not clear it's such a helpful thing in all the other cases, either.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc it was a redditism (dunno whether had own reddit pit) , meme, 'lay down and rot' (i.e. what to do when yer goose is cooked but not yet gathered courage to eat pistol)
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, apparently sbc (the ali-g dude) got some "food critic". https://www.reddit.com/r/WhoIsAmerica/comments/99anfn/bill_jilla_has_purged_himself_from_the_internet/
asciilifeform: iirc ^ in there somewhere
diana_coman: huh, I actually remember the azn guy + story but can't extract atm direct link, huh
diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your manifest?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my pov, is that would like to get all 'magick' the fuck out of logotronics.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you mean that awk above or what is "the eater"?
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to roll up all possible direct growths of the logotron into that tree
asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. don't hesitate to add the eater as vpatch (can put in a e.g. 'contrib' subdir, update manifest) .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you! looks good and my nitpicker can't find anything anymore either.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-beer-goggling-isnt-natural-and-being-a-good-looking-girl-sucks-from-9-to-5-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Beer Goggling Isn't Natural and Being A Good Looking Girl Sucks From 9 To 5. Adnotated.
lobbes: ty lol. And yes, I intend to. I think trinque has been on record saying the same
mp_en_viaje: "oh, i just use it to relax, man". yeah, careful you don't manage to relax right off the deck.
mp_en_viaje: you can always tell this story to any of the dorks explaining how drug usage "improves brain function"
diana_coman: lobbes: did you actually publish the archive process thing?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: you actually improved my archive process with just such a bash one-liner. I still use it to this day to get around the 'cloudflare' crapola. But you know, 10 years spent in a pot-induced fog tends to make one miss the obvious. I'm working with a new brain these days
diana_coman: fwiw, I diffed the 2 and looked, couldn't find further issues; the nick is now indeed first word of payload when * is nick (on action); + the one case with messed up lines because of Day changed vs. Log opened is corrected too.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:20:54 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926869 <-- quite. and btw, to add to the hunchentoot thread, it can be easily adjusted while while running (hence my earlier change-class trick), so despite the ugly pythonesque systems code, it is lispy from a functional pov
mp_en_viaje: there's dozens for crying out loud.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ ? http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ ? http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/?b=the%20sed&e=#select ? nope, nothing ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927468 << whole imperial capital ships were repeatedly brought to knees by bash one liners, in elaborately publicly recorded bonfires, you missed all these ?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927010 <-- one thing that most likely changed: they bought cars. traffic is a bitch even in that little town, even though it's entirely walkable in a few hours. granted, last time I was in MM was in 2007 and there weren't that many of them, but have only passed through viseu back then
diana_coman: meanwhile I actually found 1 instance I missed so I'll tweak a bit the awk (there's a "Log opened" instead of "day changed" and the timing/date there is also different so needs fixed)
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926869 <-- quite. and btw, to add to the hunchentoot thread, it can be easily adjusted while while running (hence my earlier change-class trick), so despite the ugly pythonesque systems code, it is lispy from a functional pov
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927308 <-- nah, ty. I'll consider this the beginning of history for #spyked and feed l0gz to my logotron when I'll stand up
asciilifeform: when 'action' line, the nick ends up as 1st word of payload string, and where nick oughta be, have '*' .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 15:24:38 mp_en_viaje: i am personally very fond of the bash one liner. imo it is sheer bash-illiteracy that makes all sorts of crapolade like python even appear "useful"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to match phf's format, i'ma then snip out the imported tape and re-eat
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you put ; after the nick
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my tape has no space either
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I'm still nitpicking the log, was it expecting some space re * and action as this doesn't seem quite ok: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999264 ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, word. the whole thing dovetails into another angle of whole gns thing indeed.
mp_en_viaje: there's actually a shortage of intelligent people who aren't also correspondingly dumb to balance it out.
diana_coman: I suspect so; there's a shortage of building blocks, not as much of what to do with them
asciilifeform: incidentally this thread opens up ancient q, of whether it'd make sense to bake a 'tmsr distributed storage' item
diana_coman: asciilifeform: barbarous or not, it's the only logger I have logging #ossasepia, you know?
asciilifeform: it's still, i dare say, a quite barbarous logger. ( in coupla wks i expect we'll find out whether in fact asciilifeform cracked the riddle of fleanode socket barf, incidentally ) but imho beats shit out of 'maybe, we have loggers? on warm weather days?'
diana_coman: np; thank you for the logger!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty for the awk
diana_coman: heh, it was...cathartic like that, awk-one-liner-does-the-job after ps-ton-does-nothing :))
diana_coman: the 998966 above is lazy-hardcoded, calc based on asciilifeform's first id and the total lines in my log (i.e. so that the ids match perfectly *before* his log)
diana_coman: ftr, here's my quick'n'dirty awk that did the trick: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;}! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp sep substr($0,n);}'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's no link for next day on the imported bits (or uhm, can't quite tell where/why?) ; e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-16 has no link although there is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-17 ?
mp_en_viaje: "oh but mp, you bash via screen" yes ? "for olympiad, bash via trepanation" how about you bash your mother via anal hooks instead.
mp_en_viaje: so then wtf are we talking about!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i suppose for 'olympiad' could attempt 'irc client in bash' via 'telnet' rather than netcat
mp_en_viaje: imo anyone who attempts to write bash irc bot other than netcat frontend either has nfi what the internet is and therefore never found netcat or has nfi what bash is and therefore doesn't understand why you don't do anything ~in~ it.
mp_en_viaje: this is the true bashness of bash.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4bg2L/?raw=true << there, netcat frontend, loads no blobs.
asciilifeform: there's this endless parade of 'this is brainfuck in intercal in microshit-buildscript' etc
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck are socialists such liars, anyway ?
asciilifeform still, incidentally, waiting for report from anyone re whether asciilifeform's logotron in fact worx somewhere other than where-written...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:32:19 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926566 << "After pressing you will need to run npm install from the project directory in order to pull down just under 100mb of depshits in order for this to work." top keks. left you a comment, too.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, as a factual matter, all the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926726 couldjust as well been one-liners, for a combioned weight of 100kb rather than 100mb
mp_en_viaje: in practice, the only difference is-- longer. 1-500 char bash one liners just as expressive, powerful, comprehensible/maintainable as 1-5k loc python chunks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at one time asciilifeform wrote sometimes stateful multi-page proggies in bash. but does not post these, it was war crime
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If Honda Jet is not designed for hallucinated consumer market, why does it give the pilot "infotainment system", the marketing text is clearly targeted to pete_dushenski and not "Here is small jet for ad-hoc coverage of unpopular routes"
mp_en_viaje: i am personally very fond of the bash one liner. imo it is sheer bash-illiteracy that makes all sorts of crapolade like python even appear "useful"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i found that stock znc also stores only hour/min. and the historic timestamps being what they are, they are imho of rather questionable use.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the converter is awk one-liner but my logs were plain irssi (and the annoying bit was re time because hour:min only + day change only); still, if you think it may be of use, I'll post it, sure
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 14:49:24 asciilifeform: maybe, defending motherland from demented martians is appealing, but strafing half-naked half-apes in jungle, desert, not so appealing ?
asciilifeform: there are a coupla modern ditties with 'educational' bent, e.g. 'a scrub is a guy who'll get no luvv from me!'
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is how they use the branding. Putting the Honda brand on it means mass market in the way VW meant mass market. Now here we are a century into powered flight and the mass market brand has a plane, but the mass market is even poorer than it was at the dawn of flight. No Honda Jet Airstrip in every gated subdivision.
mp_en_viaje: actually it is kinda funny ~only usian song subjects are either jaysus or else "Ashley. You 're a fuckin' bitch. You left me for a guy named Lance. Ashley. You 're really stupid. Cos I was saving up to take you to France. Yeah, I was gonna take you to France." variants
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The novelty is in jets above wing and made by the folks who produce the "Honda supercub - most popular motor vehicle in history"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's so novel re the pictured machine ? my ride from bucharest to timis was in a tub that looked quite like this, only slightly larger
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Honda now makes and markets owner-operator jet with the motors mounted like in Star Trek. Notably absent are dorks wearing their fantsuits and lined up to buy them https://archive.is/SNaie
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in current era, it's a work that has all of the appeal of those safari tours where you shoot tame lion
BingoBoingo: The folks I knew who went pilot did the lessons. The one I talked to more was constantly stressed, because only so many of the folks taking lessons and flying prop planes from Murphysboro, Illinois to Pinckneyville, Illinois and back would get the opportunity for further instuction on flying things that would earn them a bunk and meals.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i pictured 'guaranteed instruction!' as, you come to the class and 'guarantee' at least will get to play 'f19' for coupla hr
asciilifeform: ... one time there was a sort of show at the uni, 'rotc' corps brought some old (vietnam?) artillery pieces. i walk up to one , the cranks -- surprisingly -- oiled, start to aim it at uni admin bldg. sargeant : 'they forbid us from permitting audience to touch these! but pleeeez come to the base, you can play with it all you like! and wontcha consider to sign up ???'
BingoBoingo: Many of the mid-sized midwestern universitits have "aviation" courses for eating the ROTC folk's "guaranteed flight instruction" buxx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not show up to where the spam asked, so do not know. but suspect that the whole orchestra is hard up for literate folx:
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:15:59 a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly rejected from flight academy even if they passed all of
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's reason to suspect that usa air corps dropped standards. even asciilifeform ( who was never remotely athlete, or otherwise suspected of qualifying for the work ) has , in dusty files from freshman yr of uni , paper spam from u.s. af, 'pleez consider sign up, guaranteed flight instruction!' etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there's a fella who signed up for this. flew in iraq, today -- hobo
BingoBoingo: Well, the couple that I know who did the Air ROTC and get to piloting ended up flying fat freight planes.
asciilifeform: maybe, defending motherland from demented martians is appealing, but strafing half-naked half-apes in jungle, desert, not so appealing ?
BingoBoingo: When Germany sold cheap labor to US farmers in the 18th century they didn't send them cultured.
BingoBoingo: Because Germany kept the good Germans
asciilifeform: why is it then that luftwaffe had dozen songs, and usa started an' stopped with 'wing and prayer' circa 1942 ?
BingoBoingo: Gotta understand, US is largely German and misc. other serfs by mass. When the US needs a song to set to aviation footage they use Jesus stuff like Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky"
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that there appear to be 0 popular songs/rhymes about flying in usa, such that would post-date ww2
asciilifeform: 'Вижу я как Эдвард с Бобом / Вдруг пошли встречаться с богом / Вижу ноль семнадцать на борту.' ( 'then i see, that Ed and Bob, went off to meet up with God, on the clock i see 0-17.' )
BingoBoingo: Sounds like as good of a reason as any to start pushing a "fighter of the future don't need guns" meme
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: f4 , going by period accounts, had the mega-'feature' where had several modes of spin that were 'unrecoverable' , i.e. if(spin) catapult_now !
BingoBoingo as child yet to see kindergarden had a favorite book. Included all sorts of aircraft. The only ones I remember with certainty were the SR-71, A-10, flying radar picket, and the loser F-4 that didn't even have a gun while pretending to be a fighter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 09:24:30 mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927287 << Seems to support yesterday's end of aviation thread. Maybe by 2050 the 12 passenger cargo ship returns.
asciilifeform: btw the debug knob fix appears to speed up by 50% or so
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:09:14 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: here is a re-encrypted copy of the encrypted message you sent me earlier as evidence I have the private key: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kkmtg/?raw=true
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz post, when you have time, the converter you used
diana_coman goes to check if there's any Chec left for photos and all that jazz
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927285 << this was part and parcel of the original "make bots" decision, back in the day.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:19:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 16:55:24 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting here on balcony after breakfast, watching the girly joggers file around the building, when suddenly "wtf is that plane doing ?! and why is it coming this way ?!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
asciilifeform: ( the log lines sit down monotonically always. the only use currently for the timestamp is the calendarization cut into days )
asciilifeform: imho monotonicity moar important in the timestamp than strict alignment w/ whatever zone.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927248 << i'ma move that clock some time no one is awake. and in general prolly worth to adjust it regularly (monthly?) nao that there's a log on that box.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:22:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
lobbes: and here is the 'bare-bones' completed znc-eater.py : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3r1oH/?raw=true
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:23:48 mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
BingoBoingo: I've been on a chili kick recently. Will probably photo blog something along those lines by the end of the month.
mp_en_viaje: truth be told, chet took the secret of that perfection with her ; never did manage to reproduce.
BingoBoingo was about to report the wonderful photo in http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-pretend-to-be-miners-fo-real/ missing
BingoBoingo: Irony of Ironies is that North Argentina Pantsuit more likely to see a jail cell. South Argentina just might elect theirs President again.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, got a little moar pipe for trilema, turns out can only do so much of that, want to or not. hopefully this alleviates, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: sic transit, i guess Ima send the hilarity care packages in the hole, cigs wrapped in pantsuits.
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, north argentina old whore following in the footsteps of south argentina old whore. who could have predicted.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:21 diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:49:59 diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-19 12:09:38 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:37:23 asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927184 << this is the larger part ; also has fatigue and also has a list of "magical transformations" where it reduces/ablates the tree in surprising ways (really, informed by bias resulting from "land creature").
mircea_popescu: do you propose, sending out patrols to shoot in the gut and leave for dead any pantsuit saying "instinct" incorrectly ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:34:23 diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:24:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
mircea_popescu: and this precisely mirrors female becoming : the way girl grows into ~woman~ is by NOT following her girlidiocy, but speciffically repressing it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:20:38 diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927168 << yet the way in which experienced pilot gets to have instinct worth a shit is by ~not~ worshipping instinct as such.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:03:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927140 << there's also that, ti is a whore, contaminates easier than chocolate bar in the hands of a 5yo
mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 17:56:47 mircea_popescu: https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suppose the 'max pain' zone is when barfs, but not often enuff to trigger 'obv., let's throw out' heh
asciilifeform: i suspect that this is what gave various folx the phobia of 'make logger'
asciilifeform: the moar serious concern is time of operator, if it regularly barfs, will have to either go in and spoon-feed it or throw out
asciilifeform: diana_coman: a stolen logbot could be used to piss some garbage unto the chan while folx sleep, but that's more or less the max damage
diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
asciilifeform: lessee what mircea_popescu remembers re the ru people (supposing i didn't dream it)
asciilifeform: i'd rather not spend megabux on heathen hosters, but to put ~all~ in 1 cage is to tempt fate
asciilifeform: i dun recall hearing any serious barf. ( and i think somebody still has a trb noad there )
asciilifeform: iirc them
asciilifeform: i'ma add in coming days the 'raw line export' thing. but then ideally to get back in peh
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 23:35:24 asciilifeform: in other noose, mircea_popescu : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09?ss=1927022&se=1927024#1927022
asciilifeform: there's an infamous legend from '80s from some comp center where a vt100 was found to be mysteriously defective, no one could log in. electricals found to be 100% proper, no one could say why. until someone noticed that the table it sat on was too low, and folx ended up ~looking at keys~ instead of keying 'blind'. and 2 letters were swapped...
diana_coman: and hence the trouble with different environment - if different enough, the previous experience is worse than useless because actively hinders
diana_coman: the way I see it, it's simply shortcut obtained through experience; hence my statement above that it's not and cannot be out of nothing just like that; even what seems as "out of nothing" is just...forgot when learnt rather than truly out of nothing
asciilifeform: it's 'firmware call', but the firmware is 1e6 y.o., and in certain cases outta date..
diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
asciilifeform: there's a set of 'think instead of reflex' that folx learn when start to drive auto, also
asciilifeform: aa, it's an example i always use with usa folx, they usually go 'aha'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, if you define instinct as "automated path", then it can be acquired even for "untypical environ" and essentially the only thing is when one says "instinct" generically like that since it's not "one" but many and the whole thing is to know /be able to choose the right one
asciilifeform: there's this 'anticipatory twitch' most folx start with
asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
diana_coman: in other words, it's no surprise walkers on soil have in fact absolutely no instinct for flying quickly high up in the air;
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the set of reactions that killed ww1 pilots in spins are properly called 'instinct', they're reflexes which make sense when land creature e.g. slips on ice and moves to right itself
diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
snsabot: Logged on 2018-03-24 12:14:29 mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see any disagreement -- the 'instinct' developed by trained pilot is very diff item from 'instinct' 'developed' by rube over years of being rube.
asciilifeform: ( naturally wont do anyffin for the historic timestamps, which are apparently rubbish )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
asciilifeform: will throw in hanbot's http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/ , nao these opposite charges can meet and produce gamma burst!1