snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:28:25 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.
trinque: I was just thinking of doing a few pasters, in light of the current paster not looking so good.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:18:37 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
trinque: otherwise one's doing what, "expressing himself" ?
trinque: as I say to folks all the time BAD BUG REPORT
trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
asciilifeform: i wonder whether in fact died. left without any goodbye -- and his www is frozen exactly as it was
asciilifeform in fact bothered to see whether it sets off the geigers. almost surprised that it did not.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entirely unrelated bizarre : i obtained from a junk seller, what appears to be an orcish serial port card made at РФЯЦ – ВНИИТФ . the famous fortified city. at some pt will make photo-reportage re internals. oughta be interesting from 'how did folx who actually Gave A Shit build their irons?' archaeological pov.
trinque: in other CLisms, esthlos' vtron works great. it's a shame he left.
trinque: (the various problems with it have been related to replication between pg instances, and not CL)
trinque: but you know, learning is a thing. at any rate, I'm probably going to muntz a tad further and vpatch this weekend.
trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
trinque: then there's some threadism weird that I solved by lopping off, where an exception wasn't handled properly and the thread died, rest remained.
asciilifeform: as in, if the pong so happened to be in-phase with last ping -- stayed on
trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
asciilifeform: oook , e.g. this and other quoted-search nao worx from www form. still gotta find out why not worx from bot cmd.
bvt: i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger
bvt: ty. spyked, diana_coman : i fixed the problem with keccaking large files in vdiff here http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/
diana_coman: spyked: there is a newer version of keccak that works on octet-sized input but iirc it's not yet in vdiff, might help to get it in anyway (and then see if it still fails)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 12:55:45 diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
BingoBoingo: Macri claimed "free market, Argentine banks finally safe" and then he Christina'd
BingoBoingo: They steal it, yes. It's Argentina.
mircea_popescu: they steal it, basically ?
BingoBoingo: There's also been a lot of butthurt from Argentines that the banks in Uruguay don't want to deal with them.
BingoBoingo: Well, god forbid any incoming money make it to the intended recipient. God forbiding any money make it in comes later
mircea_popescu: exact above discussed crab mentality, aka the true core of socialism. "We might be fucked in the ass, but at least we all are, equally so'
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in capital controls on the other side of the river https://imgur.com/a/m0IX6HM ;tldr they have to go to the bank location with forms before incoming SWIFT wires post to their accounts
asciilifeform: btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)
asciilifeform: however there are some ultra-fascist locales where can't easily buy those (current day ru comes to mind)
asciilifeform: before putting the subj back on the shelf , will also note, you dun actually need the lyso crystal if you have one of those radwaste 'coin' such as comes with old geigers -- can put right on the diode, it is entirely passable detector by itself above 100kEv or so .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-07 16:36:15 asciilifeform: ( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators )
asciilifeform: ( 'TLP3905' only gives 12uA, and the regulator eats ~7uA as heat, but diode eats only picoamp or so as leakage current when reverse-biased )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But they did yield once the magic words were found. Their building has one of those old timey attended elevators.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are
asciilifeform: pretty interestingly, imho, no such application is discussed anywhere on the public net. almost as if no one ever gave half a shit .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 14:02:30 asciilifeform: thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is 'dinama' the same busybodies who tried to confiscate the replacement rk i sent you, for 'enviro pollution' ??
asciilifeform: ( and btw it will only ever work as well as the fleanode serv list given in config. ideally oughta give several hand-picked ip )
asciilifeform: hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!
BingoBoingo: And the archive link loaded https://archive.is/t5IiJ "Mientras marchaban, hicieron pintadas y rompieron vidrios. Entre los edificios pintados se encuentra el de la Dirección Nacional de Medio Ambiente (Dinama). En determinado momento de la manifestación, vieron a un policía que estaba en una garita cumpliendo tareas de 222 y lo golpearon. Cinco patrulleros llegaron hasta el lugar y la policía detuvo a cinco personas, pero una
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. << This is the midwestern standard. On a long enough timeline every structure with a basement needs one.
asciilifeform: occasionally 1 of these pumps gives out, and then truck shows up to repair the drowned furnace etc. for megabux.
asciilifeform: some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor.
asciilifeform: more interestingly, on subj, when put in 'ikea' desk, found that it is impossible to keep ball bearing still on it, no matter how legs are adjusted. the 'wood' gives under weight of displays etc.
mircea_popescu: nice for the swamp
asciilifeform when moved into current woodpaste, went in it when it was empty and put ball bearing on the floor. it didn't move.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-16 10:41:11 BingoBoingo: The only reason mod6's sill plate problem is exceptional is someone looked at his sill plate. In USistan most people don't know they have the sill plate problem because they never look.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just entering into the record the US insanity where residential spaces are never standard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls.
BingoBoingo: So when there was a fad like dormers to increase upstairs space in the mid 20th century, structure be damned 40 year old stick structure gets dormers.
asciilifeform: hm i vaguely recall a thread where lobbes , i think, exclaimed 'i just put my foot through the fucking floor'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Termites and age. There is a certain point arount the 1910s where in the Midwest they simply stopped demolishing and kept adding.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintage oddball spam via mircea_popescu's link.
BingoBoingo: Back at the Orange Despot the kitchen cabinet girls were the most specialized, because their job involved breaking the news to customers that they can't just sum the cost of the cabinets because their home's structure sucks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq, floor sunk, walls off plumb?! i'm in the most starvation-grade hovel here and my floor is level, and corners are 90 degree
BingoBoingo: In the US where the primary use of wood is structural all sorts of complications emerge that you gotta count during the site survey. How much is the floor sunk and where. How far off of plumb are the walls, etc, etc
asciilifeform: can. or , rather -- could.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that propper cabinetry can be a mass product rather than build to suit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, and e.g. howard hughes built the 'spruice goose', world's largest flying tub, also. i was speaking of mass products.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sovok didn't have the magick proximity of the folx who know how to make furniture, and the old-growth timber, aha
BingoBoingo: There used to be a place in my hometown that specialized in bespoke woodwork. Pipe organs, aircraft, and cabinetry. Now: https://archive.is/flYlo "Celebrate your special event in style when you choose Olde Wicks Factory Special Event Center in Highland, IL. Our venues are located in a 100-year-old building, formerly the Pipe Organ Company, and feature stunning stained glass, exposed brick, chandeliers, and beautiful outdoor space. With
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ikea' is mega-bestselling here. but, as you might expect, they sell such things as they can get away with to the locals, who can't tell actual wood from glue-an'-dust
mircea_popescu: lego for adults. well, "adults", like the woman in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/
mircea_popescu: early ikea, had modules with fold-in table, dozen+ types otherwise
diana_coman: asciilifeform: know that but not by the name of "finnish wall" at all
asciilifeform: aha!! these
asciilifeform: btw another things asciilifeform's ancestors had in sovok that asciilifeform can't buy for any amt of money in gringolandia -- the famous 'finnish wall'(tm) -- y'know (or maybe not know?) this thing, cabinets, glass-doored bookshelves, that fill a wall
BingoBoingo: Uruguay's are firewood and pulp grade seeing as the forests in Uruguay with few exceptions were put in due to the lack of ground sourced hydrocarbons
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because they are good at paper and Uruguay has artificial forests to pulp
mircea_popescu: cuz they know about paper mills
diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
BingoBoingo: Bigger anger may be that they'll export rather than making corrugated kraft board for their arts and crafts time
mircea_popescu: the "adults" come out of them will surely do the fucking same just as soon as they're 20% or so by social mass
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: UPM, Finish firm. THis will be their second here.
BingoBoingo: And that it'll eat the eucalyptus trees that don't belong here anyways
mircea_popescu: i expect this'll be the standard in socialism.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do the orcs have against paper ?
BingoBoingo: 2. Last night police stopped an anti-papermill march that had gone hooligan with the rubber bullets
asciilifeform: diana_coman: square links only work if have the htt... prefix
BingoBoingo: 1. Yesterday the cops put themselves in front of a farmers march. The folks with tractors and horses prevailed without anything notable byeond the confrontation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme guess, they ticketed a motoroller
BingoBoingo: So local news. In the past 24 hours the local cops have been involved in 2 incidents which are very oppressive by Uruguay standards and unremarkable in most other parts of the world.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L98RF213Kc << the martian radio service grants wishes
mircea_popescu: so you mean like, the trololo guy ?! corina chiriac ?!
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot genesis
mircea_popescu: piece in short says that even the ridoinculous ufo-religions of the ustards / futurology produced things (eg, apple. or wikipedia)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:50:37 mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
mircea_popescu: important concept of the cult!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, useful here is used to denote the situation where it ~actually forces environmental change around itself~. in this sense, apache is successful, but linux is unsuccessful.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 << can't resist the bait -- neither the 3y of phf's logger, nor deedbot, 'useful' ? ( or does 'see' require that proggy is actually published ? or wat. )
lobbes: ^ definitely some funkiness with the !e uptime reporting too (ty diana for pointing that out in #o)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
spyked: in any case, I'll publish the hunchentoot genesis today, as promised. /me bbl again
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
spyked: hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934029 <-- not sure thetarpit's current code is more than "php scripting in Lisp" either, it was written in my CL-noob years. the webpage generation bits are pretty nifty tho, on account of cl-who.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934030 <-- hm. who's that? can't seem to relate it to the subj. in any way (other than the post mentioning CL)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something.
spyked: other than that, I guess you meant "recent comments"? recent posts are on the main page; and as for title-urls, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Afeedbot+hunchentoot&chan=trilema works from what I see
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:31:19 mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.
mircea_popescu: .hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle.
mircea_popescu: also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws
mircea_popescu: "Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow.
mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
mircea_popescu: no, cl isn't the lang the fucktard knows best -- that's transparently excel/vb whatever. but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so
mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
mircea_popescu: i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:38 spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative (is it didactic, nwo that's illustrative ?) case of alf's py logotron : NOW that he's done it, i can say things like depends what you count ; before, i couldn't very well have.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933996 << for all the whining re php, one thing mp-wp most definitely does right is that it separates the article from the mark-up
spyked: in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards
spyked is going to mull on this for the next week or so, meanwhile will prioritize vpatches he has in the queue
spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.
spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 20:07:40 mircea_popescu: what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933956 <-- I can defo see the productivity advantage of integrated img resizer, but when /me wrote this, he took the opposite philosophical standpoint: text can be written using whatever text editor the user wishes; and uploaded to blog however he wishes. similarly, images can be processed using i
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 <-- ok, will take 'em (and the ones mentioned subsequently) off as soon as I get the free hands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
lobbes: But, in order to do this I need to fully understand the "guts" of the logotron anyway, and eating the current todo list I think will help to achieve this. Plus the code is already fresh in my mind!
lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 11:29:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the raw dump knob and eater .
trinque: hey lookie there, drunkbot still connected.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 'modern' usa they like to 'normalize exam' to make the visual spread look bigger, for some reason
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, these not only in sovok. ( but then again asciilifeform 20y ago lol )
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same thing. "what's an extra point ?" "dude are you kidding me, it's the difference between leningrad and urals"
mircea_popescu: AND THEN!!! the marginal increase is exactly like in exam lists. anyone saw ever one of those, 100 people per place sovok things ? 10.0 9.99 9.99 9.99 9.98
mircea_popescu: this is exactly false : what actually happens is that if the labour's over threshold the output is 0, and if it's under the output is x. like a transistor exactly
mircea_popescu: the naive view is to think that making the cost 10% less will result in... what, 10% more output ? if it takes me 9 seconds of unpleasant laboru instead of 10, i'll just do 11 images instead of 10.
BingoBoingo: I kinda worry about the process fascism which has asciilifeform's 2018 Uruguay journey still largely un photoblogged
mircea_popescu: what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are.
asciilifeform back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly other missing knobs also (search?)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/black-south-africans-turn-violently-against-other-black-africans-as-migration-raises-tensions/ << Qntra -- Black South Africans Turn Violently Against Other Black Africans As Migration Raises Tensions
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933928 << this is correct. btw lobbes , diana_coman , ( others ? ) -- if no one is presently looking at this, then i'ma do it, the lack of quoted search is grating to asciilifeform also
asciilifeform would also like to hear the full hunchentoot vivisection .
mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
mircea_popescu: 1. re blog, i do not currently believe it makes any sense to have blogs in anything but php ; 1.a with the exception that trying out things (as opposed to, production) is trying out things, and people can try out whatever ~they feel like~ (while they're stuck producing what works).
mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
mircea_popescu: nice archival work there bvt !
bvt: asciilifeform's searcher matches 'many' when looking for 'man', produces too many results to filter through all of them (thought the line was there too)
bvt: i kind of remembered that it had something with to do with percentages, this surfaced out mod6's message; when you mentioned that the result is still ~wrong, remembered that it had something to do with "man who invests X% of time into empire...", used phf's log for a keyword search.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 1 to 2 << knows where things are in the logs! + useful work towards a republican kernel; writes at http://bvt-trace.net
diana_coman: I see also more clearly my usual trouble finding sources: the original exact bit is deep in the roots while the part easily found is the tip of the tree grown from those roots, huh.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-04 16:14:16 mircea_popescu: empire does not in any factual sense exist. man who works 70% of the time for idiots is === the remaining 30% of that man.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in chance finds of vintage lulz. ( de-pdfized of the engl. text. ) ( and see also . )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-10 19:40:02 mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i still don't know wh
bvt: hello. asciilifeform: answered your comment. diana_coman: the logline you were looking for seems to be this: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-19#1903465 , as a rephrase of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-10#1870880 discussion
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:25:58 asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
asciilifeform: thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:24:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: possibly I'll find it later as inner-indexing tends to keep working in the background after one of those anyway and pops up with the result some days from now or such shit.
asciilifeform: dun think it was in these ; but since i can't recall exactly where , could be wrong
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, part of the problem is that i think we index things very differently ; your words don't trigger my memory. do you remember any actual words that were definitely in there ?
diana_coman: myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.
diana_coman: it might be in the logs too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i even went and looked among the 'audiophile' idjits -- y'know, the folx who attach rubidium clocks to their cd players 'for cleaner wave', buy holy water, operate factory in texas where 9v batteries (yes) still made with 1940 tech (why, cannot say, but 'for Troo Authentic sound' somewhere...) -- nodice
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
asciilifeform: it's imho a fucktonne moar obvious than some of the shit sold for similar purpose (e.g. piezo transformers, work a++ but entirely unsuitable, cuz, again, oscillator)
mircea_popescu: that;s the infuriating part, "man, this shit's so obvious!"
asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
mircea_popescu: what, for restraining leather garter belts ?!
diana_coman: and I wouldn't count it as "nobody did this before" either, I think I still have some patterns in grandmother's attic ffw
mircea_popescu: traditionally the lot of womanhood!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
mircea_popescu: "dude wtf, if you're gonna do this, why the fuck do it so derpily!"
mircea_popescu: so, needless to say, ~0 chances of running into the tools "floating down the river" so to speak
mircea_popescu: honestly, for all the idle puffery to the contrary, i am coming to discover that i'm in all likelyhood the first to do the shit i do, and possibly only one to have ever attempted, throughout history.
asciilifeform wonders whether motorcyclists all buy 'pret a porter' or there is in fact tailor somewhere who works these
asciilifeform in ar saw such abundance of leather briefcases, coats, etc. at the flea markets, such that will prolly never see again, and all imho mighty fine, and for pennies. i still regret not buying any.
mircea_popescu: i was very unimpressed with the quality of workmanship wheni was in ag.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember the couple feria streets that were just piles of leather on top of more leather.
BingoBoingo: As far as sourcing materials go, this would be the place to plant a workshop.
asciilifeform: lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the raw dump knob and eater .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 03:25:22 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 02:13:13 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933821 << you're almost certainly better off with the services of actual tailors , lol. but, outta curiosity, what sort of 'machinery' ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 02:09:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933819 << i know 2 in meatspace ( one -- i taught ; other -- learned from ) but yes there are prolly not so many people still using actual emacs ( vs the 'modernized' horror that auto-downloads 9000 crapolas )
lobbes: diana_coman: thank you for the reminder: 208.70.251.10
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 03:40:55 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 - mind stating the IP as well and as a rule for new urls please/
lobbes: looks like the last db dump from logs.nosuchlabs.com was from a few hours before I imported, so missing a few lines still. However the majority of 'em are there
lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933778 << not really matters ; they're all ~empty in any practical sense.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 20:32:57 asciilifeform: in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 20:29:15 asciilifeform: for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
BingoBoingo: Chinese Defense Minister came for a visit. Some BRI stuff signed, China agreed to retrofit one of the UY Navy ships.
asciilifeform: lol mostly bot test central thesedays
mircea_popescu: lobbes, i never understood that at the time, wtf, rarely new threads as interesting as old. but...
lobbes: it is funny, too, because even in the older days of the webforums "necroposting" was a taboo for some reason
lobbes: I genuinely believe that the newer generation sincerely cannot remember, even if they claim to be paying attention
lobbes: Just reinforces the already short attention span of the consumer, creating a nifty simulacrum of "feeling connected to the world"
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933780 << the 'social media / "platform" void'; take any one of 'em, be it twitter, facebook, reddit. They all have the similar mechanic of the "newsfeed" in which (unlike the republic's logs / blogs) you cannot reference things > 3 weeks ago.
asciilifeform: or, to reformulate, they 'all pedos' for same reason theatrical puppets have string loops
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the dreidl has landed.