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(ossasepia) diana_coman: but the cost of being more and more "one of them" is being less of yourself...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: sure, it's basically "the more you prove that you are invested in our nonsense ie you are "one of us", the more fodder we distribute to you"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you yourself remember the "change" at all? (but yes, it's very possible and even likely, there are stages of development really)
(trilema) diana_coman: so why only this limited use?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to MBA "high and mighty" lololol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: generally because they are dead already; but it's probably a long way for that to fully make sense to you atm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or what, if it's not in the middle of the sea with all attendant problems then it doesn't count? need a bit more penance again?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: tmsr "island" as you call it is wherever tmsr people are, by definition, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I suppose you should at the very least take one weekend off and go talk to people in calgary or whatever the bigger closest town was.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what's actually your status re papers anyway? do you have canadian and/or uk citizenship or only visa or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie if you are living among one specific type of orcs, it'll still be among that type of orcs with all their characteristics.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to the environment, the trouble is that moving to the bigger town is not all that likely to change people all that substantially
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, good for you on not taking the easy route.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-07#1001489 - in what sense "tempting"? as in "easy route to take" or how?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that sounds like "more urgent", not necessarily "worse", ahem.
(trilema) diana_coman: I would surely hope so; though you know, seeing how the bac data stuff went with those concerned focusing on "why are you doing this??" and ~nothing else, I wouldn't even be sure of anything.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934740 - possibly also added lolz just because of a. UK's pride and joy in "educational services" b. the whole roar re tuition and funding
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934724 - fwiw I think this is actually a reasonably good description - I tend to politely ignore, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: so I'll look up further and figure it out re recognised status and all that too.
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm at least curious about it for sure; and somehow over the years, no matter where and how I turned around, sooner or later (usually sooner) I *still* end up touching on the educational sector, what can I say more.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the uk has a boatload of various tests and things; not fully aligned (from my current knowledge of the domain, admiteddly limited)
(trilema) diana_coman: the point is to be able to give degrees they can't ignore/wave away , for stuff which is ours and as such probably mostly at odds with their ideas?
(trilema) diana_coman: so let me see if I get the idea right:
(trilema) diana_coman: I have trouble reasoning in terms of status coming from them, that's where I stumbled
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I can see that point too
(trilema) diana_coman: pretty much; the only missing bit is a physical building.
(trilema) diana_coman: basically: whether one has their stamp; I'd rather NOT have it tbh.
(trilema) diana_coman: to cite from gov.uk "if your degree is not from an officially recognised UK university or college, there's no guarantee it'll count when you're looking for a job" ; i.e. whether you are within the system or not, the way I read it.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: there are 2 aspects: 1. whether you want to apply for bezzle 2. whether you want "recognised status"
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, that I can fully believe indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I recall some illustrations hanbot made on a trilema article - fwiw I think she can draw actually.
(trilema) diana_coman: and esp poor match when computers and networks are involved really
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd love to.
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, I'd much rather do that!
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'll have to look into it properly and come back
(trilema) diana_coman: to have marked them as pattern matchers, that was the crux of it.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah; I'd rather not do it; my q is whether anyone sees any reason it would be worth it and apparently the answer is no (phew, I'm glad it is no, even)
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw for me incubator -> 1day chicks and insufferable heat
(trilema) diana_coman: but onth since I'm filtering the sea, I want some place where all the sea goes through
(trilema) diana_coman: in any case, my puzzle there is whether it's worth making even such concession at all; I'm normally not inclined and I'd say it's on them if they are dumb enough to not go in because it doesn't say incubator;
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lolz; it's the "familiar" word for students though, basically pattern-matches what they expect, to have them cross the threshold (so that in all probability I have to kick 99% out after that, but such is filtering by def)
(trilema) diana_coman: I have been seriously pondering if I need for YoungHands to actually get a physical space to call "incubator" /similar since apparently that's the magic word that wards off evil or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re answers owed/pending questions do note that everything with a "?" is by definition a question, yes? You don't get to decide silently and on your own that some are and some aren't questions, just like that. If anything, there possibly are some sentences without "?" and STILL questions for you, that's the mindset when re-reading.
(trilema) diana_coman: eating mega-log before breakfast here.
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mircea_popescu
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there's a lot of learning but it starts with clarifying notions really; still, there is time for that and atm you have enough to do by the 15th really so I won't add to that pile.
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: that is true
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: there is a newer version of keccak that works on octet-sized input but iirc it's not yet in vdiff, might help to get it in anyway (and then see if it still fails)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: sounds like an honest and quite clear account, so not a bad start to work with; fwiw it doesn't have to be that way, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: and what, ussr didn't have timber??
(trilema) diana_coman: as mircea_popescu really: it's called library or maybe "study room" lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: know that but not by the name of "finnish wall" at all
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
(trilema) diana_coman: for completeness @rotaku, [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNFrn2uLrs][macarale]
(trilema) diana_coman sings macaraaaale / rad in soareee
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O asciilifeform's sound card tunes back in space and time to sovok circa 1984 ??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: overall it sounds like a lot of confusion for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you realise you jump there from "being right" ie evaluating correctly to "lying" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: since I just walloped poor shrysr for misuse of "tragedy", might as well start compiling a "basic vocabulary for younghands graduation@
(trilema) diana_coman takes note of unsuccessfulability
(ossasepia) diana_coman: misfortune yes; end of game, yes; terrible accident, yes; tragedy however, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr (and in memory of an actual real teacher I once had): a tragedy is not what you think it is!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point was not at all "could have solved it without a car", no; you tend to jump on the most obvious/what irks you and... miss or at least not mention at all the actual point.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'm sure it did, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: morning shrysr ; plenty of time still until 15th sept; but in the spirit of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-06#1001428 I would actually go through the logs if I were you...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, lobbes does ^ seem correct to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there are already lots of questions I asked you in those logs and you never answered; that adds a pile of owed answers to your 15th Sept deadline; and it's a hard deadline, let me make that as clear as ..the ice you couldn't walk on, I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: btw, the above is the spelled-out explanation of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001199
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie the question starts at the very least with exposing what /how you tried to make sense of the answer; and implicitly at least - depending on the case, explicitly might be *needed* - an admission of your own failure to make sense of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-06#1001400 - this for sure and even more importantly realising that the onus is on yourself to make sense of the answer(s) given as they are effectively knowledge gifted; specifically, if you don't understand/it doesn't make sense, you may ask yes but *after* you tried and failed to integrate the new knowledge
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001397 - until you prove you are actually able to expose the full tree of your "thinking" and follow it *both ways* without jumps, you can't claim or rely on your "thinking"; and in this sort of situations specifically, man is *made* to lie to himself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001396 - yes, slavery is best cure for vanity among other ills though if you actually go for that, go for better masters than the accidental provincial manager.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yeah, in order to learn how to walk on ice you needed to ...ask someone able to teach you or at least show you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001383 - that is *also* something one can learn! talking of "getting tough" and growin' and all that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001381 - lmao; are you asking me to set you some proper penance here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001379 - yes, you need to learn to talk to ~everyone and anyone, certainly; not in the same way, nor "without classifying" or any other such nonsense (quite on the contrary), but talk you must.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, you'd better get it right, or else; absolutely.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the idea that you "shouldn't classify" is precisely http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999277
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you absolutely have *the obligation* to classify what you meet as best you can!
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: ericbot overboard? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so.... what scares you most? :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr you grow (aka "become tough(er)") by facing *what scares you* not just whatever random shit that you fell into; in other words, it's not the toughness of the outside thing that makes one tough, this is not magical eat-the-enemy-s-brain sort of thing; toughness is your quality and specifically what *remains* after the excision of weaknesses.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001357 - the trouble sounds more related to vanity by the sounds of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and then anyway, are you made of iron or of diamond, what's all this!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001359 - only when you don't match the type of interaction correctly to what you have there ; note that the corrosiveness comes from your own mishandling, not really from their end; link also to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001237
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001360 - funnily enough this was precisely what I pictured the moment I read the description; at most non-committal talk.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the bit to change there re decision process is to consider potential differences; pretty much what popped up in fact already iirc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001356 - yep and I *knew* it before getting to that line; because north-america is not same as europe is not same as asia is not same as africa and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or as great-grandma used to say *after* she had used already a big stick on one's back: making a mistake once is unfortunate, making it twice is asking for it but making it a third time is being an idiot alltogether.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, you are right; that sort of thing is still on to-do list, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. use "" for exact match
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: you need to search for "man" so it doesn't return "many" if you want exact match
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v B54F424D889826858C750E85977ABC64B6EA6BBBC8EF678E174602F8295C82CB
(ossasepia) diana_coman: argh, cut line, it was: "you'll just repeat the same fail sooner or later."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it can happen you are wrong (ie. "i did not think X or Y"), sure; but *every* time that happens, it's a sign your thinking process was not good enough that time; now, if you *have* an actual process, you can examine it in light of the observed failure and decide on a change so that next time you do not repeat the same sort of fail; onth if there isn't a clear process, there isn't much to do and chances are you'll just repeat the sa
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the decision process that yielded "data analyst is the solution"; it starts with root causes, it has some sort of methodology for considering /discarding potential options etc. Is there even such a thing really?
(trilema) diana_coman: I see also more clearly my usual trouble finding sources: the original exact bit is deep in the roots while the part easily found is the tip of the tree grown from those roots, huh.
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you bvt for digging it fully up!
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: yes! that one indeed; and look at that, it *was* in one of asciilifeform's threads indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: but hm, I still think mod6's line actually paraphrased a different discussion and I quite distinctly remember it said by mircea_popescu ; if my memory of it is any good, ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and by change I mean change in your decision process because that's the one that worked rather spectacularly poorly (and on repeat too, from what I gather)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that village life without money is likely even shittier than town life without money might not be all that surprising, yes; but what did you change as a result of all those "surprises" and unexpecteds? because I don't see it anywhere and it's the most important part really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: see, there's for sure one of your troubles: you consider correct what is pleasurable; that (like "doing what I want and obtaining what I need") may work but only after you know enough to really find pleasurable what is actually correct (and to want what you actually need); a tall order.
(trilema) diana_coman: basically my "less of a man" was more precisely "20% of a man", ahem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: esp is she had a... fucking gun, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001332 - now this you should defo filmed and put on your blog! and no, NOT on youtube ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001330 - uhm, so 2 lines further down you go all of a sudden from "The correct solution" to "fucked that up as an option" ??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001326 - ugh, not correct at all; possibly worse than bagging groceries since very likely to leave you out of pocket too and by a significant amount; a car is a liability, not an asset!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you know: write down how you narrowed the field down to it anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001323 - wait, do you mean it's been now a whole year of embracing that old shifty hag of data-something??
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: it is, thank you!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re "conversion", that's the problem with "in my head" - nobody has any idea what's in there and I'm not going to ruin my crystal ball now either!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for all I know, a different approach would be to marry a rich old widow, ffs!! and don't say next thing that this is not your thing or something or I'll seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: would ya' focus for once on what is said and not on your previous experience?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: multiple approaches! how do you even go from that to ... "multiple jobs/gigs"??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, as you seem to have totally missed it by being too focused on defense/yourself, the point of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-05#1001301 was that there are likely several causes at the root of that "100k/year" and it's only you who can get to them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when you go that way (i.e. towards looking for what to do to address identified needs), you need to look wide aka find more than one approach really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so where exactly was it converted by you before my comment? that aside: the approximate figure is not a refinement at all, it's going precisely in the opposite direction that you need to go with the "conversions"!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: specifically for the 100k example above, perhaps it's peanuts in Canada for data analysts or something, but one (just ONE, there ARE others too!) likely tradeoff is that for that money you'll have traded so much of your time/energy that there isn't all that much left for doing tmsr.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: given what you said above re 100k/year and what you think it means, I suggest you also focus on the tradeoffs for every "gain" you see, because that part seems to be a total blindspot for you so far.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you should do your own conversions really; and go deeper for once.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: possibly I'll find it later as inner-indexing tends to keep working in the background after one of those anyway and pops up with the result some days from now or such shit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and at any rate, don't do this inane kids stuff "but X also did it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your answer is terribly insufficient *for the question asked*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: Mocky did not say that in answer to the question you've got, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: I also think it might have been in reply to one of asciilifeform's threads re how he can't escape (hence possibly why it rings a bell with him?) but again, if I knew exactly, I'd have found it by now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there's time for reading afterwards, the words don't go anywhere and they will make more sense later anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: anyway, you should NOT go reading now/spend your time until the 15th reading instead of doing your own inner work in figuring stuff out.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re search, oh lord, if it were that easy, lol; what do you think the logs are, some simple tweets with easy-tagging? fwiw there's a good example of a hard "data analysis"
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.
(trilema) diana_coman: it might be in the logs too.
(trilema) diana_coman: I know for sure you did, just need to... find it.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, didn't search for *those*
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: oh yes, shoes.
(trilema) diana_coman: and I wouldn't count it as "nobody did this before" either, I think I still have some patterns in grandmother's attic ffw
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let's test lobbes's bot too; shrysr, log link above should be http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-12-12#1880348
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, wrong link
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's more to do with what/where they are internally, if you must put it in terms of "journey"; ie where on *their own journey* they are; e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001252 or http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I was just looking that lots of the answers are in #trilema's log too, even; but to your question: not in the sense that you seem to imply, because there isn't "a journey" that one follows along.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: before asking, you'd better read their blogs/writings though as the smallest of courtesies
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: not all do; as to those who do, for specific answers you'd best ask each of them, no? for the obvious overall answer: because they haven't yet figured out a way to not to.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: note also that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001252 was a particularly poor answer because it didn't even look at being fully in tmsr, just at moving tmsr to 2nd position rather than 3rd or similar mis-reading.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if it helps, work perhaps backwards from those concrete things perhaps, just don't stop at them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not the sort of thing that works well when "done" at the last minute.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the task you've got is exactly to figure out those deeper wants of yours and as close to root as possible; hence the time too, because you'll need it and you'd better make good use of it too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: e.g. when you say as above that you need 100k/year, that's just one particular solution you chose to something most likely "I want to be self-sufficient first" or similar
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the question is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116 ; what do you *think you need* so that you can be fully present in tmsr; as such, it's up to you to define the *what* but the point was to go for the root causes not for some particular/prepackaged "solutions" to them
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: nice!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 - mind stating the IP as well and as a rule for new urls please/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: welcome ericbot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, it does not; re-read the question *as stated*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, listen here, this sort of not-decided but doing that and none of the rest but-still-dont-wanna is not going to get anywhere; you have until the 15th of September to answer http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ok, so you are saying that you are in fact focusing for the next ?? months on finding a "data analyst" job; yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: people are rare, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: anyways, meanwhile there's still neither answer to http://younghands.club/2019/09/02/week-7-review/#comment-18 nor the task list ; I gather the mine-work is at least out of crisis but that's about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note though that you can't know *what you don't know* and therefore you can't choose your learning steps - all you can choose (in the best case already) is the person(s) to learn from.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re guarantee: there can't ever be any guarantee for anything that is still in the future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie if you open the door for orcs then they'll set your house on fire, sure; don't open the door to orcs, no; open it however to people.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you need to choose who to submit to, of course.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3 points is quite enough for what is anyway otherwise 1 single word: submitting. Can't learn a lot without it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3. aiming to do what they asked done, for real.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 2. exploring the implications and/or roots of what is new/surprising/unexpected
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 1. opening up without reserves (being unflinchingly vulnerable in interaction with them, in other words)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's hard to say what "world revolves around them" means for one or another, you know? that aside, better explicit than implicit (esp. when it's *that* important*) and "change something" is not exactly what it was about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the payback has 2 halfs: you are missing in there the half about making most of their time+effort whenever they invest it in you; in simplest terms, being fertile soil.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: covers well one half of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, what incentive did you offer them? and for that matter, what payback did you give then to those few who did?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not that anyone *has* to answer any of your questions either, there is that too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asking questions is a different thing, nothing to do with "spare"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the easiest thing to do for anyone who knows something is to back off and let you be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001199 - spurious "who" in there, it should have read "what someone says, when they have proven..."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you know, he's your father so you get more credit there than possibly anywhere else but if you apply the same "approach" in general, you'll just lose out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001197 - ftr note that you are never in a position to "spare" what someone who says when they have proven before to such degree that they know what they are talking about; that is just plain silly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you got on the defensive without really considering what was being said and it's not helping.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hmmm, it doesn't sound like much analysis at all really; some reflection perhaps but at least in what you said so far there isn't any solid structure to it so you can't claim "analysis".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in that case you should have some concrete conclusions though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: did you ever "analyst" your decision process rather than "what happened"?
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, just saw it; with last post in Jan 2017.
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, I don't even recall what fr.anco.is was
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, unclear if pursued Y as it were; perhaps it is the case that you were cheated/fooled by the mirage of Y, very possibly indeed; but the past is what it is and it's done and dusted, nothing to fret over really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, tmsr *was* around at that time for sure; anyway, discussion of the past is useful only to the extent that you can discuss the decision process that resulted in that, not like this "what mistake" .
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: onth it might well be that had you found #ossasepia at that time (though ahem, I hadn't...started it at that time, lol), you wouldn't have considered it the same as you do now, precisely because you lacked the experience you got meanwhile.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the "misfortune" view may be comforting but... how is it helpful? Sure, ~everything has some luck component in it as well, absolutely.
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, I can recommend this sort of eating - keeps one lean and alert!!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice, thank you!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's not about "ridiculously rich", nor even about an objective amount of money really; "too much too soon" has to do with whether you were at that point able or not to correctly evaluate the actual value of what you had; and from what you say, you weren't.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001159 -i.e. you are "insulted" when confronted with concrete evidence that your status is not what you thought it was / "should be".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001152 - sounds like a concrete example of "there's nothing worse than too much money too soon."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001130 - yes; and conversely, there are also people who are worth *any* "dance"; plus every degree in between; all you need to do is pretty much exactly evaluating this correctly and acting accordingly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as far as *that* part goes, you should have possibly left earlier, if anything, precisely *because* you don't actually have any cause to stay there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note that I'm not at all saying that they are any better than you say and/or that you should stay there, not at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what's your definition for "being insulted" anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001128 - you know, those they own are (through that very situation) even worse, so...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001124 - sweet youth and innocence: it can always get worse! but it doesn't matter, as it's not something you can predict either way, anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: will read tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: take your time on that if you need to.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and go for actual things, not "a data analyst job"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ok, let's put it the other way around: *what* do you think you need first, before you can "(3) - is ALL i wanna do" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let me cite for you from someone else's direct experience, here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-05-30#1916225
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what will you do if 1. you don't get a "data analyst" job in ...how much, even? 1 year? 2years? 10 years? 2. you get a "data analyst" job and it turns out to be for some mofos even worse than those + no energy left at the end of the day for any other intellectual work?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: simmer down, there's nowhere I said you shouldn't do the work at your job, at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: granted, I have no idea re tax regime in canada or even prices where you are so it's a genuine question here: how come or why exactly can't you save?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I'm not even sure though how come you can't save given that your salary didn't sound *that* terribly small and you live alone and don't seem otherwise to splash on anything (certainly not food, nor travel nor housing so then..what?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so if you want to save, simply buy any bitcents you can and keep your key+wallet safe, that's pretty much it; and ftr if "no money for any bitcents", your best bet is probably playing eulora anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re saving: pretty much the only saving currently possible is in btc anyway so "saving" in CAD/USD or whatever other papers that they keep printing whenever convenient (for them) is just getting fleeced.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why is 3 anyway not at all related to "getting out of here" or how do you see it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: try focusing for once on causes and extracting from there "what to do next" rather than fitting "what to do " to some purpose
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the draining + hard re "done" is most likely because your "done" is not measurable at any point so it drifts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001087 - that stick + get back is unlikely to "make sense" + there are already quite a few examples of people who tried that and never came back
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at the limit you can always split a day or a week in three chunks but it's not that the real trouble no matter how it might seem
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the main trouble is when you try to separate yourself as it were, that's where it all breaks down really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why do you see 1,2,3 as such separated items? if you insist on going in 3 directions at the same time, ofc it's quite impossible; the root trouble there is still... aiming for purposes and ignoring causes really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so I do hope I won't have to keep pinging you otherwise on all sorts all that much, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: linking also to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000533 and just in case my http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000536 wasn't clear enough, understand this: the failure mode is when you do not engage/keep silent/do not expose whatever problems/troubles you might have; it's never nor can it be the problems/defects themselves!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and at the very least the above may simply go into the review and the task list simply flows from it and that is what it is
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but what you may *not* do is simply keep silent!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you may come in here and say what and where and why you are stuck /out of bandwidth for now/struggling with/ failing at
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: on one hand there's the ppt/other work that got out of hand (and that needs indeed addressing too, sure) but on the other hand there was ALSO no time specifically allocated for the review+tasks + the *silent* "give up" which is just not an option *ever*;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, how come each time your replies come through only when I ping you? is your setup weird again or what?
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