mircea_popescu: and you know, if we manage to get this going, it then follows, in-yo-face, angry "your college is wasting your money" billboards, 100% all in scanda.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/09/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-v/ << Bimbo Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part V.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:59:41 mircea_popescu: still, this is definitely a vulnerable / sore spot in the imperial "clothing for nude emperors" pile.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934740 - possibly also added lolz just because of a. UK's pride and joy in "educational services" b. the whole roar re tuition and funding
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:50:36 mircea_popescu: the idea is to fuck them up, not to politely ignore them.
diana_coman: so I'll look up further and figure it out re recognised status and all that too.
diana_coman: I'm at least curious about it for sure; and somehow over the years, no matter where and how I turned around, sooner or later (usually sooner) I *still* end up touching on the educational sector, what can I say more.
mircea_popescu: still, this is definitely a vulnerable / sore spot in the imperial "clothing for nude emperors" pile.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the uk has a boatload of various tests and things; not fully aligned (from my current knowledge of the domain, admiteddly limited)
mircea_popescu fully expects the attempt will discover pile of debris muchly similar to http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ (and not necessarily any happy ending). but -- at least it'd be in writing.
mircea_popescu: fucking trivial to make a few kids ace those, they're written by bugmen for bugmen.
mircea_popescu: i expect the uk has bologna mandated standardized testing, yes ?
mircea_popescu: let them dissonance over it.
mircea_popescu: then you get to go to regional teacher's conferences on the strength of "best in the country" but on a platform of "rape and pillage".
mircea_popescu: c) we don't take your elder sons/merit-washed eromenoi, fuck off, this is only for nazi kids.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the idea is to have the #1 college in the uk for whatever specialty of your choice simultaneously a) 0 tuition ; b) "we don't take your govt scrip here" ie off their bezzle circuit and
diana_coman: the point is to be able to give degrees they can't ignore/wave away , for stuff which is ours and as such probably mostly at odds with their ideas?
diana_coman: so let me see if I get the idea right:
diana_coman: I have trouble reasoning in terms of status coming from them, that's where I stumbled
diana_coman: pretty much; the only missing bit is a physical building.
mircea_popescu: then you already have a college ?
mircea_popescu: well, if we're not getting that, then we could just make a college by deedbot.
diana_coman: to cite from gov.uk "if your degree is not from an officially recognised UK university or college, there's no guarantee it'll count when you're looking for a job" ; i.e. whether you are within the system or not, the way I read it.
mircea_popescu: what's the latter about ?
mircea_popescu: could just as well make one of those and make it small but excellent. use it to terribly disturb the statu quo, because it obviously goes against everything they've tacitly agreed upon
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: there are 2 aspects: 1. whether you want to apply for bezzle 2. whether you want "recognised status"
mircea_popescu: the idea is to exploit the socialism poverty hole. all sorta community colleges / 2 year technical colleges in ruralia would take ~anyone, including ~any soccer mom with a degree as a teacher.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, my thinking is that if you don't apply for bezzle, then it could perhaps be lightweight, easy to get.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:33:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, his idea might be good, actually. what's the uk requirements for starting a private college ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, yeah, if she ever gets a free minute. which she currentrly does, today, and otherwise last happened... um. pretty sure it was june
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934408 << was outage before last, back in march
mircea_popescu: 're used to, what they expect, what they need. what, you think inca makes sense ? inca dun make fucking sense, a competition in sense with inca's fucking nonsense. the competition's in tupeu, and ain't gonna nobody have more of that than us.
mircea_popescu: in any case, to re-reiterate : go out there and ~make~ them buy. ~MAKE~. "this is the thing, you must buy it". trebuie sa intelegi ca, what theyr
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:40:32 asciilifeform: whole thread nearly borders on sin, given as almost anyffin i say on the subj is likely to be catastrophically wrong.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe this 5`001st reitreration is how things finally click in the castrated brain. YO! YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FRIENDS! GO FORCE THE IDIOTS TO BUY!
mircea_popescu inserts by reference the 5k threads on pizarro, "hey why the fuck aren't you out there pounding the world".
mircea_popescu: b) SELL IT to them. forcibly. i do mean, at the point of the sword, rape them with it.
mircea_popescu: the correct decoupling is here : a) make what needs to be made, according to ~US~. nobody asks the fuck shitheads derpingabout anything
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934384 << yet all the good stuff that exists (i mean this in the most absoluely generall sense -- ALL of it) exists cuz we made it for ourselves.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:33:53 asciilifeform: a gb nic can theoretically swallow 2**18 512b packets / sec .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934382 << practical network rates are more in the 1k/s or threabouts, certainly if sustained. 2*18 is not seen even in dedicated interchanges.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:24:24 trinque: the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934368 << how are these two at odds ?
mircea_popescu: mpex seat for ~value of usg "senator" wasn't some kinda idiosyncratic joke. it's how the future works.
mircea_popescu: that's your market identification right there, it's identified : i want to buy the washington monument for pennies. they'll sell it, as they have to, because they're old.
mircea_popescu: that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
mircea_popescu: "this is your tea ; your spices ; your golden fruit. eat them, like them, pay $$$ for them so we can turn around and use that to rape your daughters / evict you from your pastures / etc"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:22:57 trinque: I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934352 << this, actually, may be the thing that eventually fixes rsa keysizes for us, when we're finally there.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:09:45 trinque: even as prosthetic, not whole comp
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934341 << the iron peh costs, currently, excavating minds from asses.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is the "oh, mp, here, forth!" answer when one asks ? what, "oh, but mp, i meant comfortable in the sense of exactly opposite of comfort, because i subscribe to imperial nominative conventions, everything's gonna be called the opposite of what it actually
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:05:19 asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
mircea_popescu: chuck fucking max and tucker fucking moore, the famous tards of buried lands.
mircea_popescu: until then, he's just another dicklet, equally capable of fame as any other item, which is to say precisely 0.
mircea_popescu: chuck moore can be famous when he meets the bar to existence. when you can fucking LINK to the god damned "famous" things.
mircea_popescu: but i guarantee you if we actually reviewed the matter, it'd turn out to be exactly the same pile of mothridden useless dried out smegma all these other boi-"famous" turds ever turn out to be.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934319 << not fucking famously. let me show you how famously works, in reality. "mircea popescu had, famously, naked bitches at his beck and call". that's ~famous~.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:45:45 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:41:37 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.
mircea_popescu: so -- sure, you like her, dumb as she is, enslave her, make her into something, then we can talk. but, from experience, "enthusiasm" at this "make her into something" soon enough revolves to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934274 and, if kept silent, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934487 also in short order.
mircea_popescu: legends about. and sure, maybe forth is conceptually interesting. but it's not a programming language anymore than any []http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/[random impudent dicklet] "opinions" on things.
mircea_popescu: a dude in his 30s without millions (plural) and slavegirls (plural) can have all the "potential" in his own mind / esteemed estimation of his fucktarder & impoverished peers. not a person. because that's table antes for personhood, forget about it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why this is obvious for people, but not obvious for concepts. a dead notion, such as "a great language nobody does anything useful in", be it lisp ~called~, forth, whatever the fuck, is just as much a language as harappan.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 << nevermind "martian". the table ante for this discussion is "perfectly functioning webserver with two decades history of the same". if it dun have that, it's not a fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: P/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2][actual weightlifter] long gave up the ghost
mircea_popescu: in any case, the net's been thoroughly scrubbed : http://il.php.net/get/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2/from/us.php.net/mirror no longer works (they even redirected the old /get/ directory to the manual now) ; the downloads studiously only includes the (entirely useless) 7 series. even lulzy spamsites a la http://www.oldapps.com/php_programming_language.php?old_php=13 are dead (the frontend works, but the [http://download.oldapps.com/PH
mircea_popescu: i guess i ate a semicolon up there. but anyways -- no, none of this shit actually exists.
mircea_popescu: ites" -- most ofwhich dun even have imap, but even the oens that nomionally do : http://mirror.internet.tp/imap/ is dead, etc)
mircea_popescu: (to give out the full helping of lulz : as far as anyone knows, mod_php doesn't even exist. the cannonical repository sports a lulzily empty link ; the backup is our old friends' myspace, wherein the source is given as ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap which, needless to say, doesn't resolve. nor do the "mirror s
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934315 << yes dude, but when ~i~ was curious the result came as "depends what you count". extend the same courtesy wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
mircea_popescu: some things elementary can't even be. what'd a mod_lisp be like, and how would it differ from http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 ? i expect the answer is "it differs -- in all the wrong ways".
mircea_popescu: there's ~PRETENSE~ to everything ; very much no tthe same thing at all as actual ising
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:59:52 trinque: the existence of mod_php isn't much of an argument either. there's mod_everything
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better way to spend one's time than wanking over apple, in any case. and besides -- that's not even a v tree!
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the philosophical implications of alternative-human-blockchain (which it is, yes, and which was LONG needed, hence all the 2013-era discussions of bitcoin alien inhumanity on trilema) -- this'll readily permit us to bezzle match the empire, because people can watch their investments appreciate here jsut as well as there.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
mircea_popescu: to close the larger point here : if we figure out a workable way to do the above, this will then necessarily ~monetize the patchchains~, resulting in fixed capital value for all existing chains based on their future-royalty value.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:56:19 asciilifeform: trinque: i went to look at what is php made from ( given all the prodding by mircea_popescu ) and seems to weigh at least as much as the python toolchain
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934312 << how did you counht ? to reiterate the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 point.
mircea_popescu: (perfectly acceptable for logger part of bot to consist of simply updating article in mpwp-posts, tagged as "logs" category, have one for each day. mp-wp will do the rest.)
mircea_popescu thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
mircea_popescu: the line where it was mentioned as text and the url to the logotron ; and c) deploys this to pizarro box (should be getting one presently i'm understanding) -- this step will also include putting a trilema clone in there (i'll provide the mp-wp install/db dumb, all that's needed is a mysql glue such that local myql server slaves trilema.com mysql server ; i intend to make a one line edit to the forms, such that comments le
mircea_popescu: except with also excerpt consisting of prefix / suffix one dozen words around each search term, separated by [...] magic string) as html files (date-time-terms.html) in a special /<botname>-search directory ; and b) takes irc trackbacks, to any article from trilema mentioned in the logs,
mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
mircea_popescu: but since we're here, let's actually use the infrastructure!
BingoBoingo: The other common trap here on listing prices is they'll list what they want to walk away with and paying that leaves a balance with the banco hipotecario
BingoBoingo: Here's another way the fuck too proud pricing on a potential "INSTITUTO CULTURAL O DE ENSEÑANZA": https://archive.is/2lmyw
mircea_popescu: for everyone else, it'd be a concentration camp. but for the inmates -- it's home.
BingoBoingo: Filtering out stuff like that place is a part of the notes cleaning. The other part is shit that was at an interesting price point for the location selling.
mircea_popescu: i expect they're going to incrementally improve on trotskysm cinematruck / rooseveltism "uber eats", just have a truck visit with supplies weekly.
BingoBoingo: Great location if all you care about is pointing all the antennas at the Spanish embassy, but otherwise... residential desert
BingoBoingo: Not a great location either
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have only Home Depot knowlede of how buildings age which overlaps poorly with the local stock of buildings here
BingoBoingo: Anyways if there were 40+ warm bodies and a desire to stot I'd suggest https://archive.is/uYcck
mircea_popescu: something's gotta be done about that, too, i dun recall right off but there's however many six figure dubaloos stuck there since last decade
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the right move here, transform the badly mismanaged foundation, have it start a college.
diana_coman: and yes, I'd much rather do that!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, his idea might be good, actually. what's the uk requirements for starting a private college ?
mircea_popescu: if you fuck them.
BingoBoingo: Here Incubator signals roughly the same thing cowork does, but in an older building, and without any ongoing operations anchoring the arrangement
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah; I'd rather not do it; my q is whether anyone sees any reason it would be worth it and apparently the answer is no (phew, I'm glad it is no, even)
mircea_popescu: so they can grumble barely audibly until they built up enough mass to "fight unfairity" or whatever dumb shit ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do we want a buncha patternmatchers anyway ?
BingoBoingo: I don't see what's wrong with calling it a college and graduating it to University once 1+ graduates have the credentials to propose new faculties to the college
BingoBoingo: Most of the other folks I met here that share a common language with me pattern match Buenos Aires=Bigger=Better
diana_coman: in any case, my puzzle there is whether it's worth making even such concession at all; I'm normally not inclined and I'd say it's on them if they are dumb enough to not go in because it doesn't say incubator;
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lolz; it's the "familiar" word for students though, basically pattern-matches what they expect, to have them cross the threshold (so that in all probability I have to kick 99% out after that, but such is filtering by def)
BingoBoingo: Maybe some other label, but not incubator. At least not incubator in a frost free climate
BingoBoingo: God no, I haven't seen a startup incubator that doesn't smell like the sump in my HS locker room.
diana_coman: I have been seriously pondering if I need for YoungHands to actually get a physical space to call "incubator" /similar since apparently that's the magic word that wards off evil or something.
mircea_popescu: no fuckin gincubator has even REMOTELY the infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 reason we even need to give a shit about hunchenbacktoot / rest of heathen world. people pay thousands/month to lease space in "seattle tech incubator", it's ~free here.
mircea_popescu: don't think in terms "trillion files will lay eggs". will not -- that's why it's in chan. why not take the opportunity to support the republic, specifically ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:47:39 asciilifeform: trinque: and then you gotta delete these ? what if you want the resulting link to remain clickable ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934288 << you're not thinking this through. what's a page, <100kb ? what's the daily output, 100 of these ? you're comitting to 10mb / day thereby ? ie a hour's blockchain ? this too much to ask for the republic ?
mircea_popescu: not intentionally an' not deliberately and not awaredly nor am i out for heads. but the situation is indeed like the case where someone just discovered the impact of filth on medicine, and everyone (by which we mean the top whatever %) understood what the theory is, and for their merits gets now to struggle with expellas issues forever.
mircea_popescu: that wasn't an ~idle~, throwaway comment, btw. "don't let me keep you from your destiny" means exactly what it says : that there's a way we know things do actually work, and then there's a history of the republic to date -- it consists of a lulzy/depressing but in any case unrelenting march of people trying to do anything-but-that, everywhich way and all the time.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:15:03 mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mircea_popescu: yes, from inside the madness it "seems" like "oh but what's the difference". there's a fucking difference.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:05 diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
mircea_popescu: the url params in particular are most confounding, because the concept as commonly encountered in the wilderness inhabited by wildmen actually fuses two VERY distinct and entirely distinguishable things.
mircea_popescu: html is, we insistently remind, A STATELESS PROTOCOL. no "logins". no cookies. no bullshit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:44:57 trinque: the IRC-for-input and www-for-output split was contemplated in an old thread. I still like it
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934283 << and i still don't think there's anything wrong with it. website offering search box not necessity. if bot does, all is well.
mircea_popescu: nobody's giving away halfmillions for "knowing how to install linux from scratch" is the sad, if you wish, but irrespectively perdurant fact of the matter.
mircea_popescu: she's been in here, available, 90% of the time wasted during the intervening year. anyone had anything to ask, about easily the most interesting thing that happened ~on a personal level~, at least since bb actually got the fuck out / mocky tiptoed the sea ?
BingoBoingo studying the formal presentation on productivity
mircea_popescu: well wut da fuck! it works IF you work it, is teh expression. what else is there ?
mircea_popescu: and, exactly like the dumb strippers of yore, you... explained it away, rite ? (for bonus lulz points, in a manner already documented on trilema, to boot!)
mircea_popescu: and even with the fucking example! that chick, she was the vp for hr with satan's own blue chip in charge of making airport satanism! YOU SAW THIS HAPPEN, much like linkedin saw this happen.
BingoBoingo: Fuck you, Gales does cash advance loans on Gringo debit in UY, between Gales and any given Chinese restaurant in BA... how many non-Governmental Ladrones can there be
BingoBoingo told a simple folk this Wednesday "If all you take you Argentina is your plasic card you're going to get your asshole resized." Today, audible incoming "Why are the Argentine ATMs charging me 10 USD to take out pesos"...
mircea_popescu: "oh, but mp, we didn't know". OF COURSE you fucking didn't know. what you DID know, however, today as in 2017 as in 2015 as for a while, is that the zone's the zone. what the fuck's gonna happen in there ?
mircea_popescu: the matter SIMPLY CAN NOT BE IGNORED : if back in 2017, ie the very month that article came out, joe bloe took out the 20-50k in debt he could and liquidated the 20-50k in assets that he could, converting it to bitcoin at a monthly average $1k, he'd be looking now at either 400k to 1mn in cold hard cash, or else something like 1-1.5mn worth of liquidated assets, if he sold during the peak. (and not AT the peak, for 1.76mn
mircea_popescu: in any case, the argument is utterly fucking broken. "get out ; now" "oh but mp, can i stay longer ? it's totally worth it, make so much $$$" "huh, i guess..." "but mp... make no $$$, whay!" "because you're fucked in the head. goto 1."
BingoBoingo: And thusly Uruguay signs road belt plans with China while Argentina sucks all the liver spotted NY cocks
mircea_popescu: as the more-honest-us aptly points out, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934201 ; for everyone else there's http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ and not much else (rather : exactly NOTHING else).
mircea_popescu: who pulled revenue from ~outside~ of republic ? ian murdock ? mark cuban ? esr ? varanul ? things that don't exist don't exist because they dont' exist, can't go about blaming the inex
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:39:25 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934271 << or, for that matter, pulling revenue at all. the fundamental problem with socialist "money" aka scrip is that... well, inca prints and distributes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 13:41:15 asciilifeform: hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:26 trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:30:29 asciilifeform: i wonder whether in fact died. left without any goodbye -- and his www is frozen exactly as it was
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.
asciilifeform will comment on mircea_popescu's other observations when wakes up.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:29:22 asciilifeform: in fact bothered to see whether it sets off the geigers. almost surprised that it did not.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934252 << lol what is this, fallout the rl game ?
mircea_popescu: the infuriating part (well, mostly to the girls, but anyway) is just how fucking superificial the cloning is.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:23:35 trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:22:10 trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:30:33 bvt: i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:17:27 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
mircea_popescu: (though i suppose it's a wonderment whether anyone thought eg http://trilema.com/2018/lord-mp-of-tmsr-and-the-plebeian-princess-club/ similarily depicts "camera shy hanbot". in duplicate -- one's been tanning for a half year.
mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
mircea_popescu: this is ~completely~ spurious. the workload has ~entirely and absolutely nothing~ to do with anything. people ~will~ engage just as gladly in "impossible tasks" as in "easy tasks", the driving consideration is P, not "what quantity of W is '''required''' to '''see results'''" or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: the traditional view, driven by high medieval practice, is to regard work~load~ as the dissuasive factor, some guy who might think himself a shoemaker may re-consider if confronted with a pile of shoe leather waiting to be shoed stretching twelve acres and reaching into the skies.
mircea_popescu: if you call productivity time debit D, D = P/t, it's self-evident that not since the early days of csail have such Ds been seen on planet earth.
mircea_popescu: this, then, is also why A. the republic is so mingbogglingly successful ; and also B. why so limited in scope.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:34:33 spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
mircea_popescu: there's further implications ; but, to fit the point back to narrow interest : saying the tools are already there is not even stupid, it's entirely besides the point. the only effectual question is, "has the lowest possible P in theory been actually realised in practice".
mircea_popescu: historical phenomenology suddenly starts making a lot more sense -- because yes, history is, was and will forever fucking remain the story of great men ; and what great men do with their lives and consequently the world they own and everyone else just inhabits... well, that's a story of P an
mircea_popescu: it is, obviously, entirely false to imagine that pP is the only factor in P ; mP probably started overwhelming it in importance with the modern age, driving the important point here : this theory ~can actually be used as a timeline-substitute~, replace time with P-at-that-time.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-11-07 11:53:31 mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population.
mircea_popescu: this theory, for isntance, explains why there's no college outside of say that-one-place-in-mass, or that-one-place between frisco and san jose : the P in, say, chicago is >e.
mircea_popescu: that is part one. part two, is that for further reductions of P, W scales superlinearily. in my practice to date, P=e/2 drives W = q^5 approx, like air fucking friction.
mircea_popescu: the theory says, that for any context there exists in all cases a P-threshold epsilon, such that if P>e W=0 whereas if P<e, W=q, where q is a quantified amount of productivity (because yes, W is quantified, like low-scale energies).
mircea_popescu: work conditions (understood as available toolset, and available paradigm, driving respectively a physical (ie, time-cost, perceived as pain) and mental (also perceived as pain) cost sum to a scalar describing the "painfulness" of the workplace.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933961 << it occurs to me this passed unformalized, and it'd be a pity. so, the mp theory of work-conditions-and-productivity-for-intellectuals :
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
trinque: I'm gonna go chase a girl around the house a bit, bbl
asciilifeform: if they'd actually made it variant, like was orig. meant, you would have noticed right away that your algo aint it.
asciilifeform: it is interesting, irc protocol asks that pingism follow form 'PING foo' 'PONG foo' . but their foo seems to be a constant.
asciilifeform: trinque: i found , when experimented, that you have just about half minute! to answer their ping
trinque: so then, lets say freenode pings you if you haven't pinged in last x, and x happened to resemble my ping interval closely.
trinque: and I was using chat.freenode.net, and lo, the bot was better connected in certain sessions than others.
asciilifeform: after http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934226 is put to rest, i'ma leave the logger alone, unless someone finds catastrophic problem .
asciilifeform: seems like erry summer asciilifeform does a jet-powered flight into brick wall. last time it was the cr50 thing.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is. tho i lost more than month (not counting the entirely pointless expedition of 'M', then could say lost 3mo ! )
asciilifeform: i.e. even answering the feasibility q is likely to be quite expensive.
asciilifeform: whole thread nearly borders on sin, given as almost anyffin i say on the subj is likely to be catastrophically wrong.
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons why iron is such a bitch is that ~very~ small differences in logical design can give gigantic diff in performance.
asciilifeform: a gb nic can theoretically swallow 2**18 512b packets / sec .
asciilifeform: i'ma get it to the point where does the job orig. promised. but 'unsinkable network battleship' will have to wait for actual irons , as i understand .
asciilifeform: you can parallelize the work, but the amt of effective diff it makes , is relatively small when compared to the absolute size of the above shortfall.
asciilifeform: trinque: the slow prototype is what asciilifeform (is slowly getting back nao!) to working on .
trinque: the slow prototype'd still be useful as that, no?
asciilifeform: imho it's the obv. Right Thing.
trinque: I have been enamored of this idea since the first mircea_popescu and asciilifeform threads on same.
asciilifeform: trinque: it would indeed 'cut world', in the sense that gives you a gossiptronic net fully layered over the traditional one. and with dozen+ entrance boxen, suddenly impossible to effectively ddos anything on the inner (i.e. what comes out of the 2nd plug) world.
trinque: the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
asciilifeform: *the last one
trinque: even them.
asciilifeform: i proposed it in '16 as a 'gateway' into gossipnet. ( eats packets at line rate, emits from 2nd nic hole the ones that were found edible. )
trinque: this cuts the world enough to be useful, unless I'm stupid
trinque: so that's the 1ns?
trinque: how fast is the iron?
trinque: i.e. inside I have w/e, naked women, dancing bears, there's a membrane at the edge of my lair run by the ??? in question
asciilifeform: i can maybe answer the q, if it is made very, very concrete.
asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate re 'as prosthetic' ?
trinque: even as prosthetic, not whole comp
trinque: what's the iron peh cost
asciilifeform: trinque: an 'iron peh', where the ALU is actually e.g. 4096b-wide -- may be workable as general-purpose comp.
asciilifeform: trinque: trivial if you know the magick inits for $nic.
trinque: what's next there? how far is it from being bolted to a network socket of some kind?
asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
asciilifeform: forth also has the afaik unique attribute where standing up a forth on bare iron is ~weekend's work for an adept
asciilifeform: trinque: for overall smallest mass of system + all needed for $problem ? afaik forth in fact is the unchallenged champ, wherever was historically tried.
asciilifeform: trinque: i went to look at what is php made from ( given all the prodding by mircea_popescu ) and seems to weigh at least as much as the python toolchain
trinque: seems like the arms with least resistance to being torn off usefully are the ones with shortest dependency chain.
trinque: being simplistic; there's plenty of hybrid to be had
asciilifeform: ( e.g. java, and microshit, prolly the very usg gosplan & central bank run on'em. still liquishit. )
trinque: the republic can do one of two things. it can eat a language including interpreter/compiler, or it can take the "tear-arms-off-and-beat-them-with" approach.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 10:55:56 asciilifeform: 'lamp' and the influx of deskilled labour connected with its rise , is imho exactly basketball tumour, and succinctly summarized by naggum
asciilifeform: trinque: imho the moar printolade flowed 'through' $proggy, tends to be the moar of a turd it is
trinque: the webshitlangs
trinque: been thinking of another angle on the question. these items are residue left by *money* flowing through them
trinque: if no-js is a rip along one perforation, no dynamic html is another
asciilifeform: trinque: and then you gotta delete these ? what if you want the resulting link to remain clickable ?
trinque: the IRC-for-input and www-for-output split was contemplated in an old thread. I still like it
asciilifeform: aa there it naturally worx
trinque: on wot.deedbot.org I don't. it's a cut-of-the-knot approach
asciilifeform: trinque: how do you keep the serv from serving it up before 100% written ?
trinque: on the subj of CL webtrons, the approach I've used is to have the CL proggie write static html (from another place, even) to a toilet static www server.