mircea_popescu: i mean the stupid part's stupid.
mircea_popescu: the reason's half stupid though ; and when i say that i don't mean the smart part's stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew the window story as a boy and always it was part of why respected newton.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, he was ~summoned~ to parliament, all he said over years was asking to close the windows because draft ; the comission he bought ~same way fox the quaker ended up in money : wealthy admirer took pity.
asciilifeform: y'know, commissar of railroads, the 1 d00d who survived ~all of sovok w/out losing office 1nce, much less head, by having extraordinarily tight lip
mircea_popescu: neways, this is the problem of our age ; and my lengthy foray into tlp (truth & fairness : only prior art extant on the topic), while unpleasant, has provided me with some insight : i dun think his diagnosis is correct. derealization, yes, a certain kind and flavour, yes. but not anymore narcissist in nature than self-loathing.
mircea_popescu: all the way round to the archetipical anal child, sitting in his room "meditating" about "winning the lottery" -- because might as well.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs your own nobles cutting down your own mercs
snsabot: Logged on 2019-04-17 15:31:05 a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
mircea_popescu: to the typical atlas, holding up a wall on his back -- whether this be premature optimization or dependopopotamous investments, or phd-assembly line or whatever other the fuck nonsense
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=basically%2C+all+the+architecture+systems+architects+have+managed+yet+to+produce+is+the+equivalent+of+%22we+need+10.1k+builders+-+100+to+build+and+10k+to+hold+up+the+walls+once+we%27re+done&chan=trilema <<
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem, and it has quite the wingspan : from the newton who, retardedly, eschews talking to people because he is smart, and he knows he's smart, and he likes to rely on "the claw" etc -- but who then does not know people, and this includes not knowing himself, and so this puts him in the ridiculous position where he ends up investing most of the metaphysica-earth-moving-shovel time into shoveling a
asciilifeform: ( steam won because fast+reliable, not simply 'fast' . and apparently skilled navigator can make up the diff much of the time. but, 'phd assembly line', none alive nao. )
mircea_popescu: good for the finns.
asciilifeform: well wouldn't be interesting if were 'wood paste'. but they actually made nyc-helsinki in 2wks routinely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and the japanese still showed up on the field in wood paste armor. state of the art cca death of j. gracchus.
mircea_popescu: not that the estimation's mandatory for anyone else. but, to ~my own lights~, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, the finns ran iron-cum-sails clippers all the way into 1920s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yet there's two kinds of problems : the problems it's good to have, and the problems it's bad to have. what i said was that this is, actually, a problem that's good to have.
mircea_popescu: some things were lost once the great man-o-wars made way for the not nearly as great clunkers called ironclads. and once people figured out wtf a sears-haack body is, planes suddenly became "flying coke bottles'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if a hypothetical phylloxera-for-horses had hit in 1800, would, imho, have been problem.
mircea_popescu: presenting the disappearance of horse&buggy as some kind of win was not, factually an' historically, disingenuos. even if trains did in fact take a while to "achieve same or better coverage in all points".
mircea_popescu: do you see the relationship ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:29:16 asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935457 << why ? as it happens, other log was open on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752616 / http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752620 discussion, blessed by the fates as i find myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's the net pipe in that 15th c castle ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:37:58 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
bvt: i don't think that zombie socket can interfere with current code -- the local side of the socket gets unused random port automatically. this would be an issue only when bind(2) was called on socket before connect
asciilifeform: bvt: i'm not convinced that any of the sock options are needed, aside from during reconnect (to keep 'zombie' socket from interfering w/ the living )
bvt: asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 03:46:17 dorion: It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
asciilifeform: ( wasn't just airplane and rocket makers, either. gen. k. rokossovsky , was pulled out of gulag in '40, ended up instrumental in the defense of moscow; and leading the victory parade in '45. )
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/11/uruguay-for-sale-or-keanu-sacks-the-plaza-independencia-grass/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Uruguay For Sale! Or Keanu Sacks The Plaza Independencia Grass...
asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:15:54 mircea_popescu: the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935500 << the interesting bit is that if t had 'gotten out of bed each morning' to work as common draftsman, would have run ~0 risk of the dungeon. most of the 'king of all animals''s subjects did exactly that.
asciilifeform: 'one day the king of all animals gathered his subjects in a forest clearing and said : 'today we shall anally punish those who have the smallest mouths. right, hedgehog?' 'Yaaaaa, Yaaaa!' said hedgehog. 'and tomorrow we shall anally chastise those who have the biggest mouths! 'hmm, hmm,' said hippo. ' )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:14:53 mircea_popescu: but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935499 << it also shakes other things out of people. when , e.g., lysenko had vavilov confined to dungeon, the other academicians went 'gulp', 'he MUST've been traitor' , etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:11:58 mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935496 << many yrs ago -- i did this also. switched off comments on my www, cuz they were a net -ev . for years .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: neah; and I'm not going now to try and guess what was in phf's mind at one point or another, wtf.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: eh; still stuck on "logger down was the problem", right?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to properly colour in this picture -- what would have looked like 'engage beyond the technical' ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I doubt it can help you if it gets read like the rest; anyway, the shortest summary I can come up with: phf persistently refused to engage tmsr beyond the purely technical; and ultimately (when pressure forced a decision) made his choice for out rather than in.
asciilifeform: evidently asciilifeform has diff. reading from diana_coman , of the 'clear' .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 12:54:25 asciilifeform: i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: neah, you are cherry picking bits and pieces that fit the idea you already have.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and if yer about to say 'the fact that phf said 10 words in that many months' at one pt same was tru of e.g. trinque . and i suspect if deedbot had been the bot that fell for a week, we'd be having exactly same thread about trinque instead of phf .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so what in there is "logger down"??
asciilifeform: i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
diana_coman: just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:23:16 mircea_popescu: and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well saboteur anon describes NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http://logs.nosu
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if expectation is that logging is a 24/7/365 system -- then yes ought to be obv. that it aint a job for 1 set of hands. rather than 'let's put it in 1 hands for years and then say 'saboteur' when he falls down' .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935558 - re "happily put up", I suppose you have a point if you actually mean that there should be *more danger* and therefore everyone adding more pressure on the weak points, to get them hardened.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and on trilema.com
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
diana_coman: whaack: worth noting though that this "I can start helping" is (given its history) incorrect and keeping you back; you're better served by stating the naked "I'll ask for help and do what I'm asked to do, today"
whaack: roger that. Before I disappear into the subcastles, I'll mention i'm blogging the differences in Spanish/English pronunciation which other ESLers in the channel may find useful http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/differences-between-english-spanish-phonetics-part-1-differences-in-stops-d-k-t-p/
diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for the other thing, the situation you describe can indeed very well happen and yes, a problem, but the solution can never be "restrain your adverse reaction"
whaack: nothing directly republic related. i've been reminded by reading the recent logs that i'm in the perpetual ill-start-helping-tomorrow state. i always have an excuse for myself: "i'll be increasing noise, im too unedecuated to do shit, i need to become bilingual/get out of reich first, etc. etc"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.
whaack: greetings. following the advice of the lords http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914428 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914460 i am getting out of the reich and moving back to CR. I'm going there this weekend for a week to secure a lease, then moving there permanently mid October. This time I'm saying my goodbyes to the meatwot and have secured remote employment so I will not have to set foot in the US aga
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
diana_coman: drat, I still got the [][] order wrong, ugh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935446 - sure, here's the [irssi log snippet][http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xspp] and the [converter's output][http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=euDm]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:05:56 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:35 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 06:43:33 mircea_popescu: in any case, the net's been thoroughly scrubbed : http://il.php.net/get/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2/from/us.php.net/mirror no longer works (they even redirected the old /get/ directory to the manual now) ; the downloads studiously only includes the (entirely useless) 7 series. even lulzy spamsites a la http://www.oldapps.com/php_programming_language.php?old_php=13 are dead (the frontend works, but the [http://download.oldapps.com/PH
dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
dorion: It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
dorion: 3. Boost has proven to be the most stubborn. 1.52.0 was released in 2012 and, from my understanding, aarch64 support wasn't added until 2015 in 1.58.0. Said support included adding asm, entry point of reference here : http://archive.is/jciFv
dorion: 2a. The config.guess and config.sub files for bdb were taken directly from the links in the configuration error message : http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess;hb=HEAD ; http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub;hb=HEAD
dorion: 2. I modified the build/Makefile and build/Makefile.rotor to build the aarch64 toolchain, bdb and openssl.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-26 10:17:04 dorion: ty mp_en_viaje I am Robinson Dorion, the someone BingoBoingo mentioned had inquired about the rk. Plan is to sync a trb node there.
dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-26#1925030 << I've managed to make progress on the rockchip trb build, but've not yet succeeded. Presently the status is:
mircea_popescu sings "He was slick but I was slicker, he drew quick but I was quicker and the table stopped his ticker Surly Joe - Yee Haw"
mircea_popescu: much like you can never be friends with the man who shot and missed -- because he can never be anything else now, besides the dood who took his shot
mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
mircea_popescu: this mirrors the above discussion re money exactly : in a certain context, idiocy can be just idiocy. but when you engage (and it does not matter how far above your paygrade the engaging is, or how coincidental -- the smoking gun dude could be retarded, iq <30, he'll hang just as well) the very hot core of the first mover in certain ways... suddely it's not no more.
mircea_popescu: and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well saboteur anon describes NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http://logs.nosu
mircea_popescu: the problem with embryos -- you never know which set of literally three cells will be the eye and also the only shot you get at ever having eyes.
mircea_popescu: most groups tryna challenge the system of idiocy die this way, because early on they destroy some tiny thing which is actually critcal for long term survival, unawares.
mircea_popescu: r for the world early on, when "nobody" knew what's what.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla
mircea_popescu: when you switch from discussing "my getting enough to eat tomorrow" to "here's this island, manage it", all the tools keep the names get different powers.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:44:57 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934680 << the lever here is the increasing purchasing power of btc or something else? and if it's to remain mp's business and not mine, that's fine too.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
mircea_popescu: the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
mircea_popescu: ~all that crawls out of cunt these days is anal children, like it or not, pretend how you would.
mircea_popescu: for YEARS /me did not give a shit, #t hosted club of (romanian-speaking, as it happens, but of no consequence past that coincidence), exactly same automatons working the same way getting the same results
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, gotta also take it easy, if one were to judge "the output" of #t on the basis of its however many first weeks...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:51:19 trinque: when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935482 << iirc mircea_popescu warned about this (and apparently was right) : the coupla folx in #a, already would not do when mircea_popescu asked ; why would they do when asciilifeform asks, who isn't famous hero, has no millions, no harems, nothing in particular that forces recalcitrant folx to stand up. so far the output of the #a people is the predicted 0.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 trinque: tried telling them to do anything?
lobbes: continue to do great work for the next 10 years for all we know. (I hope he does for that matter)
lobbes: there's been plenty of people in my meatlife who I like a great deal; enjoy their company. But I also wouldn't trust them with xyz. The WoT is individual to individual for a reason. One person may be able to answer questions better about another than another. The tendons between mp and phf weakened, but this ain't a republic of one after all. Phf could resurface in asciilifeform's castle tomorrow and
lobbes: This doesn't even mean the same thing as "not a good guy" or "arms don't grow from right organ" in my book. Simply a WoT matter
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935472 << nah, it came down to what the WoT is all about ("how well are you able to answer questions about X person if asked?"). Nobody could answer as to where he was when needed. Hence MP's whole "nickel's worth of clues" article (the title was apt).
trinque: when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
trinque: tried telling them to do anything?
asciilifeform: trinque: for that matter, there ain't a spare mircea_popescu either. observe that nobody else knows how to strip the valence electrons from folx like phf and make'em usefully react. none of the burnouts are doing anyffin worth note in e.g. #a .
trinque: it's what I hear in the admonitions about blogging, ftr.
trinque: it's unfortunate no phf<->asciilifeform remains absent mp, such that this could be demonstrated otherwise.
asciilifeform: if i knew why some folx are good for a year, others -- 2, 3, etc. i promised, would say.
asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
asciilifeform: trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)
asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:50:19 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
lobbes will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
lobbes: I'm trying to perform a "full sweep" test on my end of the znc2tmsr, irssi2tsmr, and the raw-dump to make sure that they ALL conform to the standard (which I understand is NO ";" after the nick on an action line)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 08:31:54 mircea_popescu: that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934680 << the lever here is the increasing purchasing power of btc or something else? and if it's to remain mp's business and not mine, that's fine too.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
trinque: there we go.
trinque: looks to be working correctly with the wallet and deedbot's own commands, lmk if anything misbehaves.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 14:41:34 bvt: trinque: ^ (self-voice somehow got through yestereday on the 2nd attempt)
BingoBoingo: During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.
mircea_popescu: s/pinot/wharever the fuck's fashionable nowadays after the latest pretentious film offering provincial ustards "worldliness" on the cheap, gewurtztraminer or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: actually, i suppose the correct example is "wine snob". yes, anyoen can tell ok wine from piss ; yes particularly talented fellows can actually tell you a lot from a sip. but the vast bulk of neglected aging "careerwomen" getting plastered pretentiously each weekend -- they couldn't tell a pinot from another if poured into milkbottoles first.
mircea_popescu: audiophile can distinguish one sound system from another. pothead can not distinguish pot from pot.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:53:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935389 << pothead selectivity is cut of exactly the same cloth as telekinesis.
asciilifeform: ( pet : 'get up, there's a mail bomb for you' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile the ps is here. ( and so is the xy table for the drillings, ~40kg of cast iron ugh in a 20th-c-style wooden coffin )
bvt: trinque: ^ (self-voice somehow got through yestereday on the 2nd attempt)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:15:14 diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing
asciilifeform: hanbot: afaik it was made right after 'submarine', was overtly a riff on subj. ( but based actually on v. f. odoevsky's 1834 short story 'city in the snuffbox' . )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, 1969. Maybe a second peak in the 80's when the genetics to do closet sized plants hit California.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, supposedly the golden age was back in the day where that deranged dude organised a harem out of the aparently uberabundant cali cunt, to kidnap some people / teach blacks how to rebel.
BingoBoingo: The economics of weed strike me as similar to mircea_popescu writing about the history of porn. To the extent weed may have had a golden age, that is long gone. The silver/bronze ages are rapidly closing and the DIY amateur glut is going to crush everywhere it hasn't already crushed.
hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935210 << the yellow submarine cribbing blew my mind, blue meanies and all!
BingoBoingo: All of the pretense to the contrary is exactly that, pretense. I met n>1 fellows down here trying to "bring California quality" to Uruguay. They all pay the bills with jobs tied to the local economy. Their revenues, as best as I can tell, are in the same league as roadside vegetable stands in the middle of nowhere that use an "honor box" as their payment processor. There is probably more money to be had in wool than weed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 12:19:26 asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935373 << ayup. and the svg-ing of mp-wp and so on
BingoBoingo: Today there is not any particular place in cannabis production that demands extraordinary costs relative to other agricultural pursuits aside from the elective submission to various fiat sovereigns
BingoBoingo: The tech's out there and well documented, and the key colloidal silver used to turn the plants sex-weird isn't even something the weed folks make the most noise about.
BingoBoingo: The remaining utility of indoor culture outside of police states is largely in seed production via turning select females hermaphrodite to create lots of feminized seeds.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935352 << afaik this is so, but the aficionados are picky re particular breeds w/ particular proportions of the oils . ( possibly BingoBoingo knows moar )
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you have the correct (i.e. both ends) vpatch for this, i'ma test & stand up on my end asap, so 'log-raw' sync worx properly.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, a dead link in 'man vs state'
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: and then there's the 'stealth' binturds . e.g. linux kernel superficially seems to be 100% text, but in fact there's coupla 100MB of init-turds as hex .h includes , and so on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )
asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )
diana_coman: nice, spyked ; by now it seems to me that the "source code only" is ~always + binaries, when one actually looks at it.
spyked: and in other news: Hunchentoot tree updated with a sbcl distribution. ty diana_coman and bvt for the help!
spyked: also added a few concurrency optimizations to the bot, they should arrive in the v tree with the next vpatch.
spyked: aaaand this should be all of feedbot's part/join spam for today, ty for bearing with it! also, removed http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 from #t's announce list (left a few of them in #s though)
spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:55:23 BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
mircea_popescu: none of it would be expensive anywhere else, but the tards are always speshul. and besides --- they want to believe.
mircea_popescu: whole thing actually matches very well with empire's last days : whole thing is manufactured scarcity, "buy some expensive woodpulp home to smoke some expensive weed in" sounds EXACTLY like the end days blueprint/.
mircea_popescu: and you eat multiple pounds of bread a day, to stay poor. pot's enough even by the oz.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:26:35 asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
mircea_popescu: shamanic tradition and all that, yes ? what, you think euro ousia-driven inquiries are "fundamental human heritage" ? they're fucking euro.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:11:09 BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935322 << dude... they're ~AFRICAN~. they don't understand what the fuck things ~are~, they can barely summon the mental energy to keep track of what things are called.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's been telling pretty white boys to do. circumcised or not, the dea was "first start business, then figure out legality after you get """financed""".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:39:03 BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 << certainly not the latter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:14:25 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.
BingoBoingo: This'll probably change again once it warms up and the Brasileros come out of their holes.
BingoBoingo: Probably more exhaust gas there than here. Kids smoke in front of the mall. They rarely seem to smoke in most of the parks lest the campers ask for a hit to surely be followed by intensifed requests for "una moneda para comer algo"
asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile afaik the closest Official herb shop here is in bmore; but at the same time the exhaust gas is errywhere, from ~erry window in the evening when walking, even out of cars stopped at lights.
BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
BingoBoingo: A good tip off is if they fill their truck up repeatedly with "Kellog's garden soil" on Black Friday.
lobbes: ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh
BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
BingoBoingo: 7 million people and only a couple dozen licenses with official 6 figure USD price tags. No grow at home without a special medical permit. But with FATCA, KYC/AML/OMGWTFBBQ the whole bribery thing in a place that has seen consecutive governors go to jail... Surely it's under control...
BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
lobbes: I'll leave this question for tomorrow night. I can pick it back up then
lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
lobbes: Note how the raw log dump pads the nick on the right with an extra ';' versus the logconverter does not
lobbes: alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz
BingoBoingo: lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.
lobbes: those pothead portuguese are at it again I see
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935283 << lmao. Another great addition to the queue imo
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:29:03 asciilifeform: ( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
mircea_popescu: prolly because they don't know how to do that without creating a race condition with the time-outs involved in knowing it's stone dead.
asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the tcp stack per se is retarded in this way, i expect it is also in cobol , fortran, etc, how not.
asciilifeform: also wtf, 'double connect on same socket', why the everliving fuck is this even a thing.