mircea_popescu: rather, a "retelling of old games of scientific method".
mircea_popescu: but it bears repeating : there stands, and well respected for good cause, an century old result of science that shows there can not be such a thing as an explicitly consistent system.
mircea_popescu: goedel directly says, "science is just one text and necessarily no complete". that this is not equivalent with "irigaray is better than average milkmaid" is true, but also who the fuck cares about irigaray enough to put her name in this.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
mircea_popescu: total waste of a fucking word. that's wtf the domain is there for.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the upstack, the "science tries to [...] silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it" nonsense is a sad misread of history by people who really should know better. yes it's true that for a while scientists were also puritans, as a religious inclination.
mircea_popescu: this happened because the minimalistic religion of the time appealed to people "who just wanted to", and really didn't see why they should pay court to napoleon when there were volumes to measure say.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally scientific about retarded anglo-neoprotestantisms ; nor anything fundamentally retarded anglo-anything about science.
mircea_popescu: so no, the male phalic supremacy opressing all others, especially stupid women and dumb ethnos isn't going away ; and it certainly won't permit the leverage of this "but we like to fuck and disagree!!!" tool to unhinge it
ben_vulpes: in other possibly stale lols, heathen wallet denominates in millishitcoinz
mircea_popescu: "An important role of prices in free markets is to convey information about individual needs and preferences in a world of seven billion people who can each see only a very small part of it. A while ago, a poster elicited fawning oohs and aahs in the progressive blogosphere by pointing out how absurd it is to go through all the steps needed to make a plastic fork instead of using a metal fork and washing it afterwards. Indeed
mircea_popescu: market more "inefficient" compared to central planning led by "smart" people. It is certainly amazing how technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons to be sold for three cents apiece, well worth the time and convenience they save me."
mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
mircea_popescu: ikka does not want to discipline NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE woman, let alone her sisters and offspring. he just wanted to science!!
mircea_popescu: seems to me the tiny knolwedge afflicts he who should stfu and do a better job of world domination.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that i record protest only should not be construed in a negative view of the man. on the contrary, he has many good points chief among which the systematic deployment of the view that whatsoever the pantsuit claim to think, believe, etcetera has absolutely no direct value, and is no more meaningful than the finch's call. the finch doesn't MEAN something by the noise it makes ; it merely intends for other finches to be
mircea_popescu: able to locate it easily, and exactly same for pantsuit. they picked "gay" to worship because it's relatively cheap and easy and ineffectual (as in it dundu nuffin, see also
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750998 re this) -- because there's virtually no gays as such.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:25 mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
mircea_popescu: ~same with blacks, they picked blacks over latinos simply because there's fewer of them, which isn't to say this is any kind of mental process, of course. the moth didn't pick light "because", in any sort of moth-personal sense, it just got picked for it by the workings of matters external.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, "bla bla gay marriage" means exactly nothing other and above "wanna go for a beer ?"
mircea_popescu: in a sense taking the garbage pouring out of pantsuit mouth as such and trying to engage it on merits is not unlike the fool of old, looking at the hand that pointed at the moon.
ben_vulpes: now if only there were anything to talk about over beer but gay marriage
mircea_popescu: there's some fundamental alienation at work in the german lands, of which england is a sad, marginal, forgotten island (of which colonies are ... all a sort of sadder wales). have you ever seen Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten ?
trinque: on the matter of women serving men, it's been real nice having the one in household finding various delicious liquid foods to serve up while my wisdom tooth holes mend.
trinque: what the hell's wrong with it? girl's been glowing over getting to do so.
mircea_popescu: trinque well, many things are wrong with it. for instance, plenty of girls never encountered a male centered enough to be able to manifest for.
mircea_popescu: the resultant neurosis is ~80% of the whole "liberal-progressive" ethos.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, you'll be surprised how many MEN are in the same position.
mircea_popescu: most "couple trouble" among college-educated esl readily reduce to "two subbies tired of their bitter arguments over who has to dom for the evening".
ben_vulpes: such a sad thing, the rejection of hierarchy.
trinque: cuts checks to a dude that does some basic software support
trinque: couple years of me screaming and he's by now almost an adolescent
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental statement of the problem, i'd say unavoidable. rich "software engineer" of the 70s (ie, architect, like those guys in the swiss pornos always seemed to be, recall?) goes off his rocker and kills a woman.
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with eg. il merlo maschio, same topic but in the olive oil lands of southern europe, and suddenly some kind of fundamental problem becomes more than evident.
mircea_popescu: something in the cold, windy sky drying people out inside.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: and so no... there isn't anything to talk about ; over beer or over anything else. just look away with empty eyes.
ben_vulpes: when i ran a small coeterie of staff the steel spine of our success was the chain of command from whence sense and marching orders came, and everyone's utterly clear understanding of where they stood
ben_vulpes: american democracy is a miserable thing, demanding that there be one boss (the state) and all subservient to it without ever acknowledging their subservience.
ben_vulpes: bbl, a deserving lady has a christmas movie i'm not grinching about for once
mircea_popescu: within a half year you'd end up with a little traditional village within the walls. practically say (pre war) syria, or ukraina. reconstructed, at great expense.
mircea_popescu: "Once we get rid of the social construct that men are physically stronger than women, little girls will surely grow up to be just as strong as men. We can already see glimpses of this future utopia of equality in many junior sports events where a 12-year-old girl competes with 12-year-old boys and wins!"
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mircea_popescu: aand in other news, "What is the lowest IQ that allows some person to write a peer-reviewed paper that proves that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox that I noticed was how the anti-IQ camp fears that acknowledging the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and treated accordingly. However, every single time that I have actually seen somebody being called a "subhuman", this has
mircea_popescu: come from the anti-IQ side! In other words, members of the anti-IQ camp simultaneously believe that on one hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on the other hand, those who deny this, even by a tenuous implication, are subhuman."
mircea_popescu: this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit the concept at the upper bound -- saying this guy is smarter than this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching the matter ; or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless.
mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
mircea_popescu: this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why there's not that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc
a111: Logged on 2016-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far so god, aside from a critical structural failing banana'd into the hostel...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rain revealed the roof's pitch on the hostel is bowl shaped
BingoBoingo: As in there is now a pool over the center of the building ~3.5 cm deep at its deepest.
BingoBoingo: Other tenants y staff don't seem to be panicking, so it's anthropology time.
BingoBoingo: The pooling would have gone unnotice by myself if it wasn't for the right side of my bed being where water slowly leave the roof for the building interior.
BingoBoingo: But the colombians here this weekend have been tremendous help with the spanish.
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets,
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:57 asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz'
mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries."
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:11 asciilifeform: they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine
mircea_popescu: leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752713 << dun even have to be female. there is such a thing as a "house mother" that's usually an old fag in the sort of "artist communities" composed of gay males as found all over... well, seattle and sf, mostly. but anyway, item exists and proven-to-work.
mircea_popescu: in fact the pink elephsecret re "halfway houses" is that someone noticed cca 1960 HOW exactly gay communities work when they do, attempted to apply methodology to solving problem of the state (criminal poverty / criminal addiction), with ~some~ success.
mircea_popescu: not that much ; but way the fuck more than is common for a state-run state-idea.
shinohai: Nice article diana_coman, a "reference code shelf" *is* vey good idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:51 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:50 mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
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trinque: omg culture appropriation!!11!
BigTexasBingo: Gracias, while hacer poopoo, hade a day with a suburban girl for Thursday night
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mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752737 << laundry is dry ; dishes are wet ; laundry is light, dishes are heavy in terms of dirt -- if you ever fish as much oil out of a shirt as out of a plate you oughta see a doctor. consequently laundry keeps better than dishes.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:57 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 .
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:58 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 21:01 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx
mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those.
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:27 mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:28 mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 o hey, remember when you didn't want to write on your tits, cuz "too little" ?
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mircea_popescu: o by the way, i checked out some indian films recently.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is that adam sandler wannabe Aamir Khan schmuck ?
mircea_popescu: no, i didn't like it. it's fucking offensively terrible.
mircea_popescu: did you see trinque made a bitcoin wallet now and everything ?
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phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
mircea_popescu: not a bad fit, but the guy is going ass-backwards about it.
phf: ought to be invitide™
phf: asciilifeform: will update all the thing, motherbored finally gave out on the main machine so taking some time to get my infrastructure in order
mircea_popescu: don't believe everything you read ; especially not online.
phf: this l0de show is now trolling all the people who showed up from the mass advertisement and raging in the youtube live stream section. i'm away from internet for one day, come back it's the same amount of shitshow
phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
phf: mircea_popescu: i was saying we should invite him, but i realized that was stupid as soon as i said it
mats: lel, i tuned in a couple weeks ago after spam in another chan - weev was brought on and proceeded to rave about using btc to place shorts on papa johns stock
mats: and then using his aryan brotherhood pals to pimp the corp
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 14:45 mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
mats: from the looks of his unfinished room, none of that happened
mircea_popescu: in other news, here's another thing teh republic wants to hire : an exceptional orfevre.
phf: we're finally going full knight templar?
phf: wouldn't mind having one of those oversized, drafty castles where you have to run a fireplace to heat one room out of 20 (or was it 30? we've lost count during last inspection, etc.)
cazalla: yet to step foot there, still waiting on my citizenship and passport
cazalla: know much about whisky mp? bought myself a $500 bottle, bit disappointed, not sure what i expected or if scammed lol (26yr old glenfiddich)
cazalla: figured why not, once doesn't hurt, not gonna double down and get the 30 yr old
cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
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sofiababy: the instructions on how to create a key
sofiababy: it seems somethings a slightly different
sofiababy: i was jus saying u need to update it
cazalla: where do you cam sofiababy ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i apologise for disappearing. I was in meatspace this weekend
sofiababy: In your task bar, right click on the Kleopatra icon, go to ‘Clipboard’, then click ‘Certificate Import’
esthlos: mircea_popescu: my thesis is probably the most interesting.
cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
phf: cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible
mircea_popescu: cazalla phf all your questions are answered i presume ?
mircea_popescu: in other esthlos-powered insta-lulz, "I wish to God these calculations were executed by steam..."
mircea_popescu: recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
cazalla: phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost, i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway
mircea_popescu: esthlos i take it you read naggum's overfinnicky in parts, overloose in other parts time essay ?
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esthlos: mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's
esthlos: mircea_popescu: spacetime is my main field of study
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell
mircea_popescu: esthlos so what's your take on the imminent quantum computer in a thousand words or less ? :D
phf: cazalla: nod, i in fact befriended a guy who has the largest whisky collection on the east coast (an old texan drunk), and despite sampling a large variety, i'm just going to stick to bottom shelf
mircea_popescu: if it's not made from fruit, it'd better be 99%'d and then diluted back down.
phf: mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time
cazalla: in other news, what is with hookers talking about their fkn kids
phf: if you're reading it, it's for you
cazalla: one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls
mircea_popescu: i mean sure it gets to computer implementations halfway through...
mircea_popescu: esthlos jesus christ could your items not be pdfs for the love of things not sucking.
mircea_popescu: then again, the notion that a perception of time might not be naive is a pretty tough argument in the first place.
mircea_popescu: what-else-can-be-a-naive-perception-of-time-than-trying-to-build-clocks
mircea_popescu: but let me point out a cheval that various investigations in the nature of the number cca 1700s were equally ill regarded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
esthlos: quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that great scene where tom green "Saves the day" at the maternity ward ?
phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver
esthlos: the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over
esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
mircea_popescu: "The ChernSimons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.
mircea_popescu: "the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners".
esthlos: but 5+d is easy and 0-3 are workable
mircea_popescu: esthlos myeah. but i mean... how can it "only work in 3d", ie, what, no solutions in 5d ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ?
esthlos: asciilifeform: you mean wikipedia? i agree its shitty
mircea_popescu: speaking of all this geometry, did they find the 4d smooth sphere ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?
mircea_popescu: cuz relative size problem, they perceive themselves as small.
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!
mircea_popescu: they went in for the bologna BECAUSE they felt they DO have to.
mircea_popescu: whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute.
mircea_popescu: but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s
mircea_popescu: they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts.
mircea_popescu: well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else.
mircea_popescu: is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ?
mircea_popescu: where folks suffer insanities a marketing will be found.
mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found
mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".
mircea_popescu: and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel.
mircea_popescu: much simpler than that : if your rng is broken someone somewhere will exploit it.
mircea_popescu: no. physics stuck in ditch because smart people have fallen into a sort of sartrean hell, very much equal parts Кто ты по жизни? and "how do i know i exist"
mircea_popescu: why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ?
mircea_popescu: mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession.
mircea_popescu: doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause ; and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine.
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
mircea_popescu: good physicist NOT ALLOWED TO THROW OUT COMPLETE SCIENCE!!!
mircea_popescu: and they were right, except... there's a categorical error.
mircea_popescu: the view was wrong -- the complete science was actually neither complete nor even correct
mircea_popescu: which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: this "the work" is also, a surrender. in the terms of the item being burned down.
mircea_popescu: this is how coffin liners are mostly produced. for as long as you still hold it, it still has something going for it.
mircea_popescu: there's also the very problematic... consider. the highlight of my entirely negligible theoretical physicist career such as it was, was pariticpating at this "international contest". it was named... "the first step to nobel prize in physics".
mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.
mircea_popescu: the airforce won. it won by trickery -- had some girl that did ~6 hours all through 1990s, then did most of her actual hours in 2000s.
mircea_popescu: the navy tried to win honestly ; and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training.
mircea_popescu: it's that there were four women ; which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard.
esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
mircea_popescu: now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male';s career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files
mircea_popescu: and he deemed it a major securtity risk. which it was. as events proved.
mircea_popescu: now, one of the substandard ones actually SUED. because she deemed that the release of "her private data" as to how bad she sucked is such an important matter, it precludes the public interest.
mircea_popescu: the courts rebuffed her ; then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this.
mircea_popescu: now consider two different problems. one of them is, the damned hardware involved. the piece of shit airplane they flew (f14) is SO BADLY DESIGNED its nose moving left/right can disrupt airflow into compressor intake ACTUALLY STALLING an engine.
mircea_popescu: and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron.
mircea_popescu: but this finnicky nonsense aside, point two : these women, not just the dead one ; not just the suing one ; ALL of them, constantly and without fucking respite came in too high and too fast.
mircea_popescu: to the point they ~actually scareds~ the fucking technical crew on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again.
mircea_popescu: these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ?
mircea_popescu: "i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ?
mircea_popescu: it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well.
mircea_popescu: so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:55 asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:58 esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ?
mircea_popescu: this is the catastrophe of ideology, it misplaces people into harms way.
mircea_popescu: see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other
mircea_popescu: "i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance.
phf: further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story, both as to why "physics died" and as to why and wherefore etc.
phf: asciilifeform: i want to watch movies! i figured i can do better than a close source vlc package, apparently not
mircea_popescu: phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus.
phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools
mircea_popescu: "why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss"
phf: maresyev flight school
ben_vulpes: phf: nah not particularly interesting to me, i got out of that gox early q2 this year, but sfyl
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: macware abounds, none of it is being used for anything other than entertainment anymore
mircea_popescu: wtf does movie player need unicode for, left as question for wiser men
ben_vulpes: well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism.
mircea_popescu: i dobn't get it, you READ the orc langs but don't hear them ?
mircea_popescu: why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies
mircea_popescu: saw this at airport today, guy with a placard, "mr wong & miss ho"
mats: i never heard of a kr with the name wong
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)
phf: mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links?
mircea_popescu: the kay interview ? it's from this large pile of "items of interest" i go through when in the mood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idiot site does "pages" as iof that's fuycking permissible ; so now we'll end up with an archived first quarter.
mircea_popescu: the ways in which webtards manage to break computers are innumerable.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let me put this resource in four fucking places because that's why it's called ununiform resource locator"
phf: the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page
mircea_popescu: "The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of
phf: hey i also just wanted to watch my movies
mircea_popescu: there is no more fundamental human property than the need to belong ; and since illusions are by their nature sweet, there's no more endearingly common characteristic than misconstrued partisanship.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind,
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things :
mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.
mircea_popescu: which is why towlie of "i have no idea what's going on" southpark fame is very much interpreted as human-like.
mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.
mircea_popescu: so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals.
mircea_popescu: "identity as genus" occurs not when op says something extremely shockingly intelligent or w/e, but when you say "do you understand what you jsut said ?!" and they retort "not really".
