mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935607 << that thing's one of the few things that if can be shaken loose was never there in the first place.
diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
mircea_popescu: that's the big problem with "helping", teenagers especially, but not just : they dun wanna be helped, they just wanna be insulated from the consequences of their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: this ain't a proper need ; and will get no support. it's what the "need" in there denotes, rather than the plain need.
mircea_popescu: the quote in particular is misleading -- it discusses a stupidity of young women, whereby they very much as discussed above misrepresent their "needs" as "support for escaping the consequence of their idiocy without needing to substantially review theyr cunthead".
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935603 << what the fuck sense does that make ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:17:58 mircea_popescu: "Needless to say, I am unamused ; and, to answer the original inquiry in firmer terms containing no ifs or buts : no, I personally have no further interest in hearing what phf may have to say on any topic. The time for "ok then, I will get my logger to spec by X date and hope to have my blog up by Y date" came and went, sometime yesterday.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:01:07 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 << i however was there at table (twice), and the way it got left off, last i heard, was a vague "of course will definitely dedicate seriously to republic work nao" / "had trouble in the past of various extractions but all better now / financially comfortable" and so on.
mircea_popescu: and i can see the "hey diana_coman if you dun wanna rate johnny 9 then don't knight'him" ?
diana_coman: well, the roles are what matter, no? ie it's peers talk; if today peers are marked with 9 and tomorrow with 11, such is history
mircea_popescu: will run into the usual problem, when will want to insert thing between 4 and 5 and there';s no number there.'
diana_coman: if you say it's not any and all to talk, the q is : who to talk?
mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: would a threshold on your rating of the person make more sense?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: in comments at http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:09:41 mircea_popescu: where the fuck's that lobbes comment re calling girls/sluts/etc ? not on blog not in log wtf, it was lik last week
mircea_popescu: it's obviously to be done by the master's hand and none other, which is why that entire lisp obscura grilling was so bizarre ; but whatever, growing pains.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck's that lobbes comment re calling girls/sluts/etc ? not on blog not in log wtf, it was lik last week
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 - this would be great because I've been quite apprehensive of rating pageboys at all because it comes with talking-rights here while they are not yet ready.
mircea_popescu: kinda the importance of beatings in the harem -- it sweats the women out of the little girls.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:19:15 asciilifeform: diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:23:33 diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which t
mircea_popescu: this way the ad-interim imaginaria of a bot's wot can be put back on the shelf where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if they wanna.
mircea_popescu: because duh, "nobody ever got hanged for being a stupid cunt", the foundational myth of the inca state.
mircea_popescu: and it's self-perpetuating, too. if i take the trouble to actually write a trilema piece for his dumb ass, something absolutely nobody's entitled to expect, the result's more elaborate disavowal and general cuntery, rather than an awakening to sense.
mircea_popescu: and THIS is what's meant by "if you hang out with retards you'll become retarded" : dude spent so much time with the ustards, he is now behaving like a stupid cunt. his discovery of having fucked up doesn't lead to "omfg, i fucked up SO BAD". it leads to "oh, republic is abusive".
mircea_popescu: as a sure-fire heuristic, only dumb cunts discover "they were abused" as a disavowed result misrepresented as driving cause of contemplating how they fucked up.
mircea_popescu: dood to this fucking day imagines himself a "basically decent" fellow who "was oppressed" by the meanies of this world for "his bad luck". because idiocy comes in layers, lucifer went straight to hell thinking himself i nthe right on the same exact process also. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: which of these two would you propose was followed here ?
mircea_popescu: coversely, the process of being an imbecile is 1. "here's what i don't like about you" initiating half of the retard's handshake.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935593 << traditionally the process in dealing with personal failure is 1. "here's what i did wrong" ; 2. "here's what ima do to not do that again in the future".
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole http://trilema.com/2013/for-lack-of-a-nail/ thing is exactly this : a succession of triggers.
mircea_popescu: it doesnt' even understand what the fuck's happening to it when it passes out, seems rather like a ~momentary~ inexplainable nonsense / witchcraft best not ever considered past the moment, forgotten as soon as it passed as part and parcel of what being a dog even is ; there's no anxious dogs because dogs have no memory in this reflexive sense.
mircea_popescu: it's how large dogs die, as this one'll die. and when it dies, whatever the fuck will have been ~the trigger~. whatever the fuck inconsequential event, a car honking, a cat jumping, a bad dream, things that happen daily to other dogs to no ill effect.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:02 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the trigger for the entire episode. was the loss of the logger .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935581 << of course the trigger was the trigger. what's in a trigger ? my neighbour has this eight year old dog. it's a large dog, and in large dogs eight is pretty much the end of the line. it's coming for her, too, three or four times already she passed out running / fell over, sat there squirming in desperation. heart's giving out.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it ... yo asciilifeform , do you realise about 9/10ths of trilema the blog by mass is spurious introduction, which i could very well "do without" by employing a similar tironian process, except then nobody in the whole fucking world could follow what the fuck's being said anymore ?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anyone can actually talk to alf who isn't both very intellectualyl lively and has a lot of experience talking to alfs. which technically is the definition of autism, i guess.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it is also terse, missing out on about 2/3 of the introductions does save some space.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 12:20:12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and on trilema.com
mircea_popescu: and if he doesn't, yes, very much exactly beheaded in the same way for the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935561 << unlike phf, holding a torch of oneitis for some pantsuit chick that likely couldn't pick him out of a line-up, i should hope the texan has enough fucking sense to actually manage his household as his own.
mircea_popescu: Yes, obviously, as per long standing republican doctrine (and standing as such since long before this particular republic was even declared) the lord can get away with bloody murder. Of course he can. But this doesn't mean it's not murder, or not bloody."
mircea_popescu: the only law is this : that if you don't want to have to write 3600 digits, don't fucking start with 1337!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:52:55 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for the other thing, the situation you describe can indeed very well happen and yes, a problem, but the solution can never be "restrain your adverse reaction"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935554 << it's not like it's fucking arbitrary, might as well ask sums to "moderate themselves", why not, write letter to factorial, "dear factorial, your results are computationalyl challenging, and it is unfair to most numbers above 10 or so that they can never feel safe in being followed up by an exclamation point like their single-digit bretheren. why won't you moderat
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:19:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:01 mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:52:19 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935541 << i suspect this is exactly right, actually ; at least it was read so, judging by the natural rejoinder the immutable machine readily produced.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/ << lobbesblog -- The next phases of escape
mircea_popescu: well why the fuck not@
mircea_popescu: negative fucking space ffs, it used to be called thinking back when my grandfather could barely read ; now that all everyone does all day is "read" facebook somehow magically nobody can think anymore ?
mircea_popescu: not "do i want a jetski" but "what will i do with a jetski in akron, ohio" and "how will i pay the cc bill or why should i have to".
mircea_popescu: wtf, how hard is it and how the fuck could it not be obvious.
mircea_popescu: man, generally speaking, WILL THINK OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE.
mircea_popescu: man will say "i can't sit about pretending to myself i've a gf, if in case something should happen this Maddy Humphreys woman doesn't know enough of me to mention the circumstance in the one place that matters in my life"
mircea_popescu: man will consider, "oh nice, there's nine pies here, i'm still going to have ONE SLICE".
mircea_popescu: to continue "publication-phobic folks" thread : difference between mouse and man is that moue will eat itself into overweight to the point where can't, famously, get back out through the hole it came in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when wrote 'm', actually spent many days rewriting the commentary. but today when looking at it, 'who can read this? why?' and sad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
mircea_popescu: correct thinking consists of thinking ~about the negative space~. not about the positive space. not "oh hurr durr it works", ffs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:42:47 mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
mircea_popescu: the reason so much misdesign exists in the world is the imbecile puritan "think positive" nonsense.
asciilifeform: ftr i cannot, try as i might, understand the publication-phobiac folx. when you sit on the proggy, all yer doing is making sure that others will spit on your grave, 'grr, fucker, because of him i have to write the 17th logotron nao'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
mircea_popescu: not that i mind, but there IS a difference.
mircea_popescu: whatever, just as soon as it was even vaguely possible one might've had some use for it. and this is ~deeply unsexy~, mind, i ain't publishing boihood-conventional "cool stuff & frank zappa" here. i'm publishing the most shameful thing known to the wankastery collective, and then end up having to "battle" nonsense of "oh, mp is intellectually stunted, can't install linux" because of it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-06 04:42:12 BingoBoingo: The particular election rabbit hole I've just about completely explored is how "book club" party with an uncontested internal managed ~50 kilovotes for recently fired former commander in chief Guido Manini Ríos Stratta whose only firm platform position seems to be no "reform" of the military retirement system and softer position declaring "Army on streets is good"
mircea_popescu: why's the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-06#1921930 returned, it has no "a b" in there ; and why's it not bolded ?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, for the linguist interested in the natural evolution of alphabetic language into hieroglyphic, such as both egyptian and chinese naturally ended up in the shit [damn][after being used as languages for long enough], tironian notes provide the necessary bridge)
asciilifeform: afaik was the 1 and only properly vpublished piece of his tho ( unless count '15 ext. to asciilifeform's 'shiva' proggy.. )
mircea_popescu: one can't quite make fleas in the lab as things stand right now, so in this utterly jeffersonian view the ploughsman's the only true scientist.
mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
mircea_popescu: but yes, to say it plainly : i don't agree phf was some kind of technical monument or example to be followed. making things that work does not enact one into such ; observe that every frog makes things that work, extremely fine things that work extremely well, viz the very fucking frog in question. yet a frog that can breathe is an ordinary frog, not an exceptional engineer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:44:24 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
mircea_popescu: aw damn, i put the links in backwards.
mircea_popescu: if i'm gonna want to learn about sex ima ask rapists not "careerwomen", and if i'm gonna want to learn about war ima visit hitler not "pacifists", "global hunger fixers" an' the rest of that very sad lot.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding its manifest popularity among the most perdurant and pervasive type of hostis humani generis, it's still impracticable insanity.
mircea_popescu: this shocking bit of imbecility unites across all times and all geography idiotic old women from george fox to cioran's hag with dirty feet.
mircea_popescu: in fact, breaking this distinction is truly the one deep problem with all sorts of "religious" thinkers in their own view, aka unmitigated morons in reality : the traditional position of the mula, intellectually impossible as it is, stands as "i'm not interested in sin therefore here's what you must do about it".
mircea_popescu: is based will inform the ought discussion, sure ; but absent that... just, how ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:23:33 diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which that interest
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 00:21:30 jfw: I seem to be having trouble registering with deedbot, but in the mean time I'm http://welshcomputing.com/jfw.asc and a bridge from a prior key
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << lobbes y'know the bot quotes all chans
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-119.156-119.326
lobbes: I believe it talks about the limit of existence in a socialist world. There's a specific phrase in it that goes something like "You'd better make sure you negotiate for what you want, because that is *all* you are getting. Ever." Any Trilema-ologists in know it?
lobbes: In other news, I wish this mp-wp-bot already existed. I've been trying to locate a Trilema piece for this post I'm working on, and I must've gone through a few dozen by now with no luck.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 17:53:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935941 << notbad idea for a follow-up patch. I'll have to shelve it until I deliver the main product tho
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/taliban-asserts-their-readiness-to-continue-war-for-another-century-so-long-as-us-continues-forcing-war-on-afghanistan/ << Qntra -- Taliban Asserts Their Readiness To Continue War For Another Century So Long As US Continues Forcing War On Afghanistan
mircea_popescu: btw, happy friday the 13th
mircea_popescu: nobody ever used it other than for humour tho
mircea_popescu: "degitlegau" (lit, ofnecktierer) instead of the "alien" cravata (tie)
mircea_popescu: yes, but need a certain conceptual stability to attempt. i suppose the most systematic was late 1800s, latinization a la i h radulescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking re attempts, rather than success ( consider the greeks' 'success' )
mircea_popescu: much like the man on pcp running up and down the sidewalk punching out imaginary flying trees is way too busy to kill himself properly speaking.
mircea_popescu: the reason rotards didn't do, incidentaly, is not wisdom but idiocy : so many completely iliterate attempts to "systematize" lang, there was no fucking need or rather, practical possibility of directed activity like you're describing
asciilifeform: funnily enuff the j00z in nyc did have one, they iirc tried to standardize a yiddish minus slavicisms post-war
mircea_popescu: notrly. they did however do an idiotic antisemitism thing ; the guy is actually Eliezer Schein ; and other than one of the precious few, subdozen romanian linguists ever worth the mention, aslo spent most of his life trying to be naturalized and not managing
asciilifeform: 'get the barbarisms out!11'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yw. when we crack the url puzzler and import era1 , will also need historic bots in there.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-05 10:04:37 asciilifeform: likes marshak's translation 9000x better than the orig. 'Не было гвоздя -Подкова Пропала. / Не было подковы - Лошадь Захромала./ Лошадь захромала - Командир Убит./ Конница разбита -- Армия Бежит. / Враг вступает в город,/ Пленных не щадя, / Оттого, что в кузнице / Не было
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting slavicism there, that horseshoe, potcoava, is really подкова (literally, 'under-smithing')
mircea_popescu: but if you want to do things in the style of print(url, list-of-params) whereby print_url(list-of-params) is called printing the list as an url, you definitely can.
mircea_popescu: php CAN handle cascading templating, the reason it's never seen is because anyone who can be bothered to do such things is not there to do it, but too busy fucking tghemselves in the ass with obscure dildos ; in romanian this is called "pe cind se potcovea purecele cu 99 oca de fier la un picior".
mircea_popescu: the greater point being that ad hoc php by iliterates is not different from ad hoc perl or c or bash or lisp for that matter, why's it the computer's fault ?
mircea_popescu: re echo '<a href="' . $url . '">' . $description . '</a>'; << nothing keeps you from doing print_url(x y z) if you want to. you'd have to define that function, of course, but this is true in lisp and any other language as well.
mircea_popescu: you know, by the way, curl can make a heavy load for you any time you so feel like.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a0-cl-www-summary.html << The Tar Pit -- Common Lisp WWWism summary
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 04:38:29 bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
lobbes: thems a lot of stockings
lobbes: re: the rest aite! sounds like a plan
mircea_popescu: i have pie, and sluts, and a whole web of plans and complots & conspiracies to alleviate the expectation
mircea_popescu: as to the rest, alright, i wait
mircea_popescu: the by / to
lobbes: How's this: I'm going to begin by attacking Thing 2 in this comment (grr the new server-side selection does not work for comments it seems?), after which I should have more info on my ability and the time it should take. I can give you a better estimate then I hope
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935890 << Nein. I'm selling the ~work to you~ for 100mn ecu, hence sold ~by myself~ :D
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 07:55:02 bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
spyked: that might work, actually, given that the fonts don't ever change
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/successive-strata-of-castlebuilding-spoiler-they-decay-over-time-as-part-of-a-narrative-on-the-greatest-italian-circus-in-romania-and-teenage-sexuality/ << Trilema -- Successive strata of castlebuilding (spoiler : they decay over time) as part of a narrative on the greatest Italian circus in Romania and teenage sexuality
mircea_popescu: https://x001.imx.to/i/2017/06/21/594a9e018b233.jpg << in other news, dorcel's still pretty cool.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:54:41 billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933994 << completely true, and i agree with asciilifeform, i'm a fan of The Tar Pit's theme (i'm also partial to trinque's theme)
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934834 <-- why ty! well, I'll have to remove the fonts from the theme when I genesize thetarpit, because binary.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:44 trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934235 <-- iirc the irc spec states that server sends ping when client is idle. src: http://archive.is/2pGUp#selection-2315.60-2315.386 (should be under 4.6.2 Ping message)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
mircea_popescu: spyked, i have a phpball somewhere from the fain days
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935755 <-- neato! are these chan-boards open sores? prolly worth stealing the coad while at it.
bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
mircea_popescu: (this is deliberately, so a whole field of one can be converted to the other without needing lookahead parsing, just s///g will suffice)
diana_coman: I keep getting the order wrong on those damned [] and so having to check it every time
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 15:43:45 asciilifeform: diana_coman: compare w/fix vs. your current to see the diff.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935856 - fix deployed; and thank you lobbes for the fix!
lobbes: I still need to resync all of the borked log lines on my own logger, but that'll have to wait until a bit later.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bug was specifically in /log-raw , rather than db (which iirc you ate wholesale, and then manually synced coupla lines during the interval remained )
asciilifeform: ( and apparently when diana_coman synced, got lucky, there were no 'actions' )
asciilifeform not yet had to resync at all, hence never stepped on the mine.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok, added to the ever-growing list.
asciilifeform: diana_coman i recommend to read & emplace this one, so lobbes & asciilifeform can resync from your /log-raw : the old export mechanism was apparently broken in the case of 'action' lines.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/59-particulars-laid-down-for-the-regulating-of-things-a-selection/ << Trilema -- 59 Particulars laid down for the Regulating of things. A selection.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the dtng resurrection is the way to do image pasting, seeing how everyone else constantly resurrects the broken less functional takes on the chan format
mircea_popescu: will be trilema.org/dtng meaning it'll still block bw leeching, meaning -0 interest from all the usual makers of something from nothing.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935794 << Is the dtng box going to want its own line coming in?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on 3w : smartctl -a -d 3ware,x /dev/twa0 (where x is the hose #)
mircea_popescu: or rahter, if. incidentally, there's some way to read smart data ? i get oyu don't use the buttholes, but locally there still is a way yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we'll snapshot the os a la dulap/smg so can be done reasonably quickly, when disk goes.
mircea_popescu: i confess as a merchant i have a literal and approximative grasp on theological arcana.
mircea_popescu: attempting to put in production alf-formulated republican theoretical theosophy earlier, "spin up instance on spot" or however it went
asciilifeform: aite, then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want 100% striped (vs. e.g. 2x mirrored 2x striped ) i still recommend to think about how will back up such box. with the current pipe, backing up remotely e.g. 4TB, will take ~week (and that's if entire population of piz is idling)
mircea_popescu: but this is the ideal application : trielma's backed up anyways, and losing dtng chanmaterial... well.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 12:32:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.
dorion: http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935789 << yes Sir, thank you. I will proceed with the 32 bit build first, blog it, then circle back to see wh
mircea_popescu: reminds me of the time trinque stood me up the famous (har har) http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930911 box, in excitingness.
mircea_popescu: and if bw comes to grief, we can either further tune the software via same process trilema.org was invented anyway ; or else spand the pipe, we see theb
mircea_popescu: very nice. so get then 4 whatever plate disks you folk recommend on the basis of your extensive experience with computer hardware, seagate ?
mircea_popescu: can you put fast raid in there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect you'll want mechanical disks for this item. lemme know the types , will procure'em ( when the crate is flown, mircea_popescu will have 2 own boxen, the current smg , and its spare ; piz will have the 2 vacated boxen, which mircea_popescu can either purchase or lease , lemme know which prefer . ea. takes up to 4 disks . )
mircea_popescu: (then again trilema bad is a thing in its own class - for instance anyone recal lthe time of the deal wiht copypaste, when trilema served a few imgs on each page of the 8chan ever loaded ? came to astonishing amt)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 12:59:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 10:54:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice
dorion: asciilifeform: ok, thank you. I've looked into the pogo experiment and will adapt was needed. I have box with >2GB ram: the rockchip.
mircea_popescu: besides, the coin's russian.
mircea_popescu: was fully expecting russian to pop in at any moment. didn't see it ; but the topic is very central to rus' nationality research, a mirror of the novgorod-constsantiniople trade, this slavic over-the-danube thing. so not all hope is lost.
asciilifeform: already in the 'pogo' experiment we had a working 32bit arm trb. so i expect it is doable with existing toolchain for 32-under-64.
asciilifeform: so in short term imho useful to build, supposing it'll run, the 32bit one
dorion: it seems to me the latter is more straightforward, but that doesn't means it's better.
asciilifeform: dorion: at some pt we'll definitely want a properly 64bit trb on arm, so can use >4GB. thing is, currently there appears to be no arm64 box on the market that actually has >4GB.
dorion: http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935621 << thanks, but the arm docs say ARMv8-A has ARMv7-A (AArch32) compatibility
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 04:14:57 mircea_popescu: in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.
mircea_popescu: also re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934962 : evidently the correct equation is (27*3+10)^4 = 68574961, because both small and capital letters. 68mn should be plenty.
mircea_popescu: (long story short, eugenie grandet of the colonies really really wants to impress le petit monsieur vane-charles, if not with a bit of cold pheasant for breakfast then at least with some gossip circle fireworks. needless to say the local bureaucrats weren't impressed with any of it.)
mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)
diana_coman: meanwhile, after ~2 hours, I *finally* finished the log-reading of over-night logs, go me; it just strikes me that with #o I made myself even *more* to read, lol.
mircea_popescu: last article from the 9th, though, so he's active.
diana_coman: of the blog I mean, ofc.
mircea_popescu: the translation's far from terrible ; the item's important because a) it plainly discusses the slave trade (which, yes, underpinned most of the imperial economy eight years ago) and references a coin that's a.1) unatested anywhere else in the (voluminous, and pompous) imperial paperwork and a.2) isn't the official coin.
mircea_popescu: in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.
lobbes: wow, this might end up being the smallest patch ever. forget one line, this is one character in one line! fix tested and worx. patch incoming..
lobbes: ok, well confirmed that both the znc2tmsr and irssi2tmsr converters output to spec re: action lines. Looks like it is just the raw log knob. I will dig into it, fix, and patch
lobbes: I tried reading the actual script for clues, but too n00bish at awk still to make sense of it
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:17 diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935537 << ty kindly for the snippets. I did read that in the README, but thought that it perhaps may have been referring to the date in the -filename- since I couldn't find any knobs in my irssi that dealt with the 'header' formatting in the log itself. This saved my sanity
asciilifeform: the fella who 'oopsed' 4 jets + battleship ? difficult to picture him being tried for anyffin
mircea_popescu: pretty sure mccain'd have ended up "convicted" in just such a lulz "court" if he didn't have the foresight to braintumour first
mircea_popescu: but anyways, seems the ~only contribution of the social media generation to world affairs is guaranteed lulz-"convictions" of ~any older male politician
asciilifeform: speaking of kalash, mircea_popescu what's this i hear re iliescu (ro eltsin) being tried in absentia for orchestrating the demise of shoemaker ?
mircea_popescu: let it be clearly stated thus, that even if it apparently works on asciilifeform as it traditionally works ~everywhere, the "oh, let me show you my wares" coy behaviour doth not work on me. what's gained for this "did 1st class work, then got sad" thing's rather low level enmity.
mircea_popescu: i do however find the stotting behaviour quite infuriating. so yes, in my book the sort of retard who "does great work for like a year" isn't scoring above the sort of retard who does no work. i'd much rather have tea with elliott than any of the historical time-limited editions specifically for this reason.
mircea_popescu: these are the sorts of theories entirely spurious for being entirely useless. whenever it's one fo those 0-predictive power nonsense & balls of yarn, "if it's true nothing's gained and if it's false the world's lost" you know you're in the presence of subconscious protection.
mircea_popescu: when it does, you'll still have your theories as to "recluses" and "irreplaceability", aka various names for self-appointed castration, "i am unchangeable" / "the world is unchangeable" bla bla bla girlytalk to keep you warm.
mircea_popescu: i expect diana_coman 's stable will soon enough surpass all the supposed "utility" you hallucinate in the anal children (much like a demented old hoarder hallucinates "utility" in random junk) ; much like trilema in fact surpassed any whisperer's monument, "against odds" etce
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:39:04 asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935467 << the only merit to this theory is that it's lazyness-protective.
mircea_popescu: to an arbitrary standard, my sock is an adequate replacement for the entire world.
asciilifeform: for elliott, the tree stump outside my window is fully adequate replacement. rather ask, who will replace c. f. gauss .
mircea_popescu: and leaving that contemplation to the side : how do you propose to get me interested in your replacement plans once formulated ?
mircea_popescu: most of the physically manifested genotypes amounted to notiong at all also.
mircea_popescu: MOST of the people who could've ever been ... were not.
mircea_popescu: the earth has been continuously inhabited by something rather like people for what, 20k generations or so ? each douche befouling the earth with his uneven gait and body odours today has thereby had 4e6k antecessors. yet the human population to date was never above 1e20, which happens to be the rounding error in that 6k.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:34:21 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:01 mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935458 << i entirely see no problem with this. the obverse of "if it's worth doing it's worth doing well" is that if it's not good, it's not worth doing at all. the dedication's to the good not to the doing.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935460 << that's possibly the weirdest "cuz" i ever heard. what, you mean like in spiders ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this is the poisonous promise of the specialisation : "oh, ye newton, jus' practice your maffs, no need to go out practicing your kissing"
mircea_popescu: instead of perceiving the imbalance as a problem, an' applying the one working bit to fixing the non working bit -- he just swung the schlong around. died bitter, reportedly.
asciilifeform: i'll be 1st to admit, i do not know the reason. (why he not talked)