asciilifeform: not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
asciilifeform: and of course ye olde ѣ . lenin gets the credit/blame for the cuts, but 5 successive monarchs in fact proposed to cut the dead glyphs, each time ran into opposition from 'ohnoez, ornament of the language!111' academicians
asciilifeform: ( in the former, most famous case, 'Война и мiръ' turned into 'Война и мир' by decree of lenin, but the 'i' had already stopped being phonetic 200+y prior )
asciilifeform: erry lang asciilifeform ever bothered to study, when dug found that it lost sounds over all recorded span (with the eventual, if delayed, loss of the glyphs that represented'em)
snsabot: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:46:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource.
asciilifeform has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
asciilifeform: this is btw a long-standing q in asciilifeform's head -- wai is it that lang knobs only ever seem to ~fall off~ in archaeologically-visible period. almost as if they were only formed in 'supernovae' of some sort, and then afterwards only decay
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 02:21:18 mp_en_viaje: modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938854 << and 'pre-classical' greeks had the digamma... and the classical folx already had a silent iota in various dipthongs, previously voiced per archaeologists. also 'lazy dog' ? ( where lived the non-lazy dog, in stone age ? )
asciilifeform observes that 9 times outta 10 this is what 'oh hey there's a library knob for this?' leads to...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-problem-of-complexity/ << Trilema -- The problem of complexity.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-04-03 15:41:03 mp_en_viaje: but anyway, what the fuck is wrong with picking the prestige coffee house of the town for your bitcoin meet ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:43:20 mircea_popescu: i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything"
mp_en_viaje: i an' uses it to learn greek because reading trilema's changed his life for the better.
mp_en_viaje: occasional gems in the celentano vein (played straight, too!), like "The past year has been a year of failures for me. I failed to persuade any of my old friends about any of my strongly held beliefs concerning morality, politics, and economics. Not only did I fail to persuade them, I failed to maintain them as friends." ; otherwise apparently likes cha
mp_en_viaje had been reading what's apparently some 2016 drifter's rather extensive homespun copy. includes log with personally relevant tidbits of 2017 vintage and so on.
mp_en_viaje: there's the two liner above linked ; there's another one line in a discussion of another film. but i clearly remember taking the time to discuss this over paragraphs, i just don't remember where the fuck
mp_en_viaje: and the annoying part is that i can't apparently find now where i discussed in detail the relationship between "noir" as the form of cinematic expression and the sadness of abandoned counterfit-urban male youth (not REALLY urban because too new, like in new york).
mp_en_viaje: what they do, "complex" and "inexplicable" as they might like to pretend it, nevertheless can be very well predicted on a decerebrated read of the medieval catholics. basically calvin was the original hollywood, writting really stupid yet simple stories for a certain kind of [http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/#footnote_1_
mp_en_viaje: they ~all are, actually. their bizarro cvasi-religion, poorly formulated and even less considered, is for these sins nevertheless very deeply implanted.
mp_en_viaje: if the world came to its senses, if i engaged tards on their own terms, if parents lived their lives such that they're comprehensible to children, if china correctly saw the incredible importance of ustarded delusions... then maybe they could write about it. but as it is ?!
mp_en_viaje: a treasure trove of prescriped goodness nobody inexplciably seems to envy him. so what is there to write about ?
mp_en_viaje: he fucked a buncha crackwhores or w/e it is he did, he "had experiences". that's the important metaphisical, yes ? experiences ? having experienced ?
mp_en_viaje: so buck the tard built himself up treasures in heaven as indicated by his self-disavowing pedestrian restatement of catolicism as some poor scottish farmers could best manage to restate latin cancer.
mp_en_viaje: no but he had fun, see. that's the important part. "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." yes ? pile up treasures in "heaven", which in the anglican/protestant/derpitarian/whatever tradition no longer means the popish plot, of course, but still means something experimentially-ridiculous.
BingoBoingo: Well, I plan to use this as the go to link in the future when US Pantsuits get busted while poor. Like this guy http://qntra.net/2019/09/kkkalifornia-pantsuitist-ed-buck-arrested-after-victim-escapes-lair/
mp_en_viaje: well for one thing, it's an ~indepedent~ "corruption investigation" aka beheading. the "only socialism that could be" gets nothing from it
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The outside outlets that ought to be hammering this story are all incredibly silent in English.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, also highlights where the gold supposedly in new york actually is.
mp_en_viaje: (except, of course, for cyprus, this republica moldova slash sicily of the greek world. there, still geminated. )
mp_en_viaje: modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
BingoBoingo: It also highlights how damn poor the US is
mp_en_viaje: hoffa made out better than the entire pile-up of contemporary usgistani bureaucrats.
mp_en_viaje: nope. are you fucking kiddiong me, epic lulz like "uaw investigation" revolve around piddly ~million~ spent on personal luxuries. what the fuck, a mn worth of luxuries, really ? so like... a bathroom ?
BingoBoingo: With their years in the white house, senate, etc... Did the Clintons pull better than some mayor on the other side of the Pacific?
snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-26 11:09:26 mircea_popescu: finally! let's make the links : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643192 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644834 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048 (note how correct figure was ~40k not 50k, but w/e, rounding).
asciilifeform: aand the new bot. that's pretty much it.
asciilifeform: up/down arrows in displayer (really only useful on pocket comps and other exotic terminals, but asciilifeform sometimes uses) go to start/end of page
asciilifeform: i'ma fix it later in the week if no one else does.
asciilifeform: 'tape' knob i realized is unusable shortly after cut patch, it needs to be rewritten so as to give 'last N' , rather than using start/end index from the earlier raw-log knob
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 23:40:15 asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
spyked: in other other news, /me has caught a minor cold and will administer some "leacuri babesti" to take care of himself. bbl
spyked: if anyone wants to remove this or the cl-ppcre crap, will happily sign vpatch; thing was written in my "CL childhood" years, so it comes with quite a bit of kludge
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 05:21:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934834 <-- why ty! well, I'll have to remove the fonts from the theme when I genesize thetarpit, because binary.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 11:50:01 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 15:26:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938420 << spyked this is pretty interesting. is that a coupla 100kB of base64'd fontisms in there ? ( and, apparently buncha perl-genned ???! in 1 of the cl libs ?! )
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938438 <-- re. fonts, also see http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935895 ; long story short, for all the "open font" claims, there's no (text!) sources for those, so I just included them base64'd, to reflect the blog entirely as it is now. can safely ignore them/remove them from css and blog'll still work.
asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
asciilifeform: there.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-27 asciilifeform: maxim_mivo: it will have rack ears welded to it, if the hoster does not offer shelf
asciilifeform: oh and the crosspost thing is in:
asciilifeform: new ver. of reader.py laters. (and then will vpatch.)
BingoBoingo: The entire 1960 to 1990 span added ~0 to Montevideo's skyline as seen from roofs in the city
BingoBoingo strongly suspects Uruguay's construction industry peaked in the 1920s with Palacio Salvo
BingoBoingo: I have a strong suspicion if the investigation move to poking around the interior of listed structures the project could have turned into strictly evaluating for the lot footprints as the tower builders do
mp_en_viaje: in short : not a single one of the items there look to me like something that'd be acceptable to carry on books even if given freely ; if yo uowned them i'd insist you sell them.
mp_en_viaje: #6 is again #3, early 1900s, possibly good enough to stand, but possibly terribad, will have to drill a wall to see wtf is even in there
mp_en_viaje: 3rd item lacks entirely outside shots, which makes me suspect it's in a building that'd have been bombed in ww2, except it wasn't in active war theatre.
mp_en_viaje: this isn't euroinsanity. the item is too far gone to be worth repairing, what.
mp_en_viaje: i mean taking the list, right ? 1st item is literally a ruin ; that item has central wall damage from uncontrolled water infiltration. it would be condemned in europe.
BingoBoingo: In my immediate surrounding they are primarily valued as potential footprints for future residential towers so long as that activity continues.
mp_en_viaje: but the cost to own / cost to carry still a factor of 2 over what it coudl/should be with saner autoclaved cellular concrete filler and etcetera. whole poured concrete walls are for you know, river dams and things, wtf, heating that, preventing water seepage, it's a bundle.
mp_en_viaje: they're not all that great capital goods. obviously immensely better than usgistani paper wasp atrocities, yes.
mp_en_viaje: i confess i am not at all impressed with the images on this particular score : they're all 1970s pure-sovoktech relics. it's directly visible, at least to the aculturated eye
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:34:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938736 << Uruguay's laws are such that they do have to liquidate before starving.
mp_en_viaje: not like they'll magically learn how to build ust because the neighbour's goat died, either.
mp_en_viaje: the salient points : a) half the prices ; b) three times the area ; c) one fifth or less the age. i expect ro 2000s construction, for all its warts, is still infinitely better than ~1970s uy construction technology
BingoBoingo: The problem of the Rio de la Plata is the people hold the opposite of the truth in the ways in which they are rich and poor.
BingoBoingo: One nearby property I'd been watching since arrival finally sold after a flurry of listings once the price hit ~160,000USD. When I arrived it was listed around 200k. It had my attention for being a two bedroom house on an excellent corner with attached small commercial premises suitable for shingle hanging. Even after selling and becoming inhabited is still painted as a japanese restaurant.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, haggle. but this is no joke : to match eg romania, they'd have to haggle to 10%. looksy :
mp_en_viaje: in practical terms, that's the only available option ; real estate never drops suddenly, for deep and fundamental reasons sometimes superficiaslly touched in the logs. it's just not possible, like it's not possible to dream the unknown
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:50:32 asciilifeform: they all seem to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha. tho BingoBoingo seems to have found that they haggle .
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938475 << The "conventional wisdom" passed around is that they haggle. I have not tested this myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:52:50 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938480 << This is what I was expecting. I regret not taking better notes up till now on the history of advertised prices, but there appears to be a steady march downwards. I publish a selection of sample properties again in three or six months.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 04:37:33 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along the lines of "talk (via PM) only to people who are already +v in the channels where bot is listening"; either way, there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
mp_en_viaje: it makes a huge difference this, between being the 70yo who walks to the bar and the 70yo who can't leave the house.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70.
mp_en_viaje: so i don't expect uruguay market will ever find price. instead, the "properties" will just decay into the ground
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 19:02:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As of 2013 through a bilateral treaty the shelter part of the arrangement went out. From where I'm sitting it is hard to tell which way the Argentine winds will push
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'r/k' thing.
asciilifeform: at any rate insect moar relies on 'horizontal' ('there's many wasps') 'rng', than 'vertical' ('if rnd()<0.99 then check_nest()' etc) rng.
asciilifeform: aha, and also vertical predators (afaik moar of the latter)
mp_en_viaje: im sure they have competitive predators, flies whatever
asciilifeform: wasp's natural env, incidentally, does not contain stealthy removers of caterpillars, afaik (they deposit'em in quite well concealed place)
mp_en_viaje: which is why the discussion is carried in terms of choice. rather than in terms of "compulsion" or whatever.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, precisely. the "lacks rng" could very well be entirely artefact of perception.
mp_en_viaje: taken seriously, the objection becomes suddenly very weak.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: poor model, transistor, it's ~nuffin BUT rng when 'out of the box'
asciilifeform: given that the wasp is still around , evidently worx out.
mp_en_viaje: anyway -- this was very fashionable i nthe 70s. but there's pretty serious problems with hoefstadter's critique of conceptualized consciousness
mp_en_viaje: can supposedly have it check the nest until it dies of starvation
mp_en_viaje: but if during 2 you move it, then it resets at 1
mp_en_viaje: was another thing, some other preditorial wasp, where it 1. drag to nest ; 2. inspect nest ; 3. deposit in nest.
asciilifeform: the ants, however, interesting because in anthill there ~will~ be found some who can walk 'nonstandard' path.
mp_en_viaje: they are pretty small.
asciilifeform: this kinda thing is ubiquitous in the insects aha
mp_en_viaje: well, what i recall is that it pulls the cricket (nfi, maybe some others do larvae) by the antenna
mp_en_viaje: to be a shithead, however, must do enough.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall the spiders. wasn't necessarily a sphex tho, there are other wasps that 'smarter' and will throw exception and stop looking for the caterpillar
asciilifeform: dunno that so diff. recall the sphex wasp ? the 1 that will still run the 'walk to caterpillar, see if eggs in its spine hatched' even if entomologist removes the caterpillar.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-11 11:31:03 asciilifeform: in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when told to put out his cigar lest he set off the fuel depot
mp_en_viaje: "dude, it's not up to you." "yes it is." "wtf" "the dumb pleb always triumphs" "where the fuck did you see that ?" "on all anon graves"
mp_en_viaje: it's this : "what i do doesn't work" "do something else then" "no." "well what ?" "it must."
mp_en_viaje: and it's a most informative and productive line of inquiry. there's a REASON the pleb projects choice upon those, and disavows his patently idiotic applcation of entirely imagined choice, and so on.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'imagined choice' can drive the imaginer into walls, but is unclear to me that the walls move, or even get dirty as result
mp_en_viaje: point remains : the hallucination of choice is the specific distinguisher between the plebs and the brigand/kulak/whatever, non-pleb.
mp_en_viaje: then we can just interview be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: not like it in the end matters, unless/until pugachev shows up demanding a rating.
asciilifeform less convinced, but unequipped to press the point while lacking working timemachine
asciilifeform: 'bring back the planes' 'wat planes, war ended, this is island 8000km from humanity' 'gather straw, we'll make planes!11'
mp_en_viaje: "he fucking imagiend it on the basis of his granpa. thing was dead like 1505." "omfg wut"
mp_en_viaje: "how to make it like before" "fukctards, what you're feeling is the portuguese getting a trade empire going FIVE CENTURIES AGO"
asciilifeform: 'main switch' not , afaik, fully crystallized yet as concept, then.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, to me he seems just a figurehead / sacrificial goat of a bunch ofretards looking for the main switch
asciilifeform: why maintained the cosmetic front, still afaik debated by archaeologists.
asciilifeform: mno, that'd be clitler's battallion, rather than pugachev
mp_en_viaje: "dude... you think the world is like your basement ?" "yes" "it won't do anything." "NO IT MUST"
mp_en_viaje: the largest will consist of pugachev's men : "our programme is to go find where the main switch is, and flip it."
mp_en_viaje: at this juncture, there will be various "self-defense" "armies" "organized" across the realm.
mp_en_viaje: suppose tomorrow the power turns off. that's it, just, no more grid.
asciilifeform: to same thing as chingis han 'to what', 'see their women driven before me, hear the lamentations...'
mp_en_viaje: see ? that's where it classifies in my head. "to do as before" "dude... they're not doing '''as before''' not cuz they don't wanna, the port is sanded"
asciilifeform: imho the operative diff is where zev/muntzer/huss/etc revolt with 'and manna will fall from heaven' ; whereas pugachev et al were straight cases of 'burn old moribund aristocrats and install selves in place'
mp_en_viaje: in my read, the pretender "army" / peasant horde was a #metoo movement. they were the idiots.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect you might be confusing the polarities.
asciilifeform: ( then famine and suddenly you have a 800k man pugachev army 'outta nowhere!111' )
mp_en_viaje: there's even a trilema piece re this i'm kinda too lazy to dig out
asciilifeform: at whatever time some % of farmer 'know where out is' , but while the turnippin's good , sit put
mp_en_viaje: of course the asswipe then disavows it. THEN disavows it. and even pretends like the then is "instantly". but it ain't fucking isntantly, there's a space. first he lies, then he disavows.
asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right re 'fixed %' tho. but to run w/ the analogy, the radon does stay in the ground until you dig to the bedrock, so will in effect vary
asciilifeform: 'kulak' story is moar usually 'hey the derps keep showing up to borrow money, what, i shouldn't , why exactly? they wanna buy me a 5th horse, why not let'em'
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the remainder 98% sits there herpy-derping about http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/
mp_en_viaje: and every single kulak doesn't tell the same story, of "what choice did i have".
mp_en_viaje: every single fucking brigand wil ltell the same story, of how he ~had to~.
asciilifeform: 'thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes'(tm)(r), 'choice' aint the operative item
mp_en_viaje: which is what makes in the end the difference : out of the cuck-mediated cuntspawn, some minotity sheds the "choice" delusion.
mp_en_viaje: the epitomic "kulak" is, eminently, http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ ; his monologue tells it all. eminently absent from there, any delusion of "choice"
asciilifeform suspects that 'there is no magick' and all of these followed standard predator-prey equilibriae -- but not expert.
mp_en_viaje: none of these, notably, followed some kinda choice.
asciilifeform: ( iguess could even say 1 is 'special case' of other )
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ hides it, because when it's cheaper to make a thing than to steal the thing nobody can be arsed. but a thing hidden's not a thing disappeared.
mp_en_viaje: there's similarly no leakage from earth into radon.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again this only in re ru planet, but there was measurable 'leakage' from 'pleb' to 'highwayman' , proportionate to how screamingly retarded was the crown at given time
mp_en_viaje: imo the distinction's very vividly made in a clockwork orange. give brigand nude princess, give farm cuck nude princess. one of the cases will result in pregnant princess.
mp_en_viaje: which is my point -- there are two distinct and perfectly distinguishable populations. the plebs aren't the highwaymen.
asciilifeform: on orc side there was attempt to institutionalize, 'ok you can be brigand right-there, on turk border' i.e. cossac
asciilifeform: for completeness, 'what did they then do' wasn't always 'eh same thing as grandfather, try to pull turnips from mud', but sometimes instead brigandage
mp_en_viaje: the whole idea was that livestock being worthless, moving it across the land was just a waste of fuel, so don't get the indiana livestock working on your farm in alabama.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: similarly to alabama, i.e. not far. cuz it wasn't as if they escaped on motorcycles , ha
mp_en_viaje: "on the manor over the hill" "wow. and what were they doing there ?" "the same thing as here" "holy shit shocking"
asciilifeform: i dunno re e.g. germanies, but in ru there were catchers a la alabama etc
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what the fuck konzentrabullshit, nobody ever gave a shit.
asciilifeform: 'go discovering x' req's breaking outta the konzentrationslager neh
mp_en_viaje: fucking hell, go fucking discovering america. raise rabbits. what the fuck, "what we always did doesnt work" "do something else" "no, we just want to do what we always did" "but it doesn't work" "it must!"
mp_en_viaje: idiot, given the choice between "fix some idiocy inside" and "fuck up some shit outside", ALWAYS goes for door #2.
mp_en_viaje: "disgruntled" my foot. wilfully misrepresenting themselves.
mp_en_viaje: not serfdom is wicked. human nature is wicked, in that the converse statement of d-k problem is the one you gave above :
mp_en_viaje: yes, so wicked is the nature of cunt byproducts, every stupidity instantly vacuums up oodlebunches of lychen
asciilifeform: iirc in west europistan landsknecht did brisk biz being called in to clean these up
asciilifeform: the ru variant seems a++ until remember that erry rebellion (pugachev's being only the most expensive to kill, hence prominently remembered) insta-vacuumed up massive army of disgruntled meat robot
mp_en_viaje: possibly the most important human contribution to understanding of human affairs : the first, and the most important possible law is the one that interdicts valuation of human life. not in the sense of it being priceless, but in the sense of it being worthless.
mp_en_viaje: otherwise idiots' first on the list of idiocies they like to imaginarily enact, "value in human life"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sellable. with the property.
asciilifeform: ( other detail re orcs -- initially, was possible for serfs to move at certain times 'day of xyz saint' etc. then phased out. )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform knows slightly moar re how serfdom was phased in in ru than out west. was 'staged' process, and got going in earnest under peter, who decided to create gigatonne of newly-enobled henchmen (modernize , fleets, etc) and then faced q 'how to give'em peasants'
mp_en_viaje: notthing to do with 'pressure', everything to do with imbecility of the "working man".
mp_en_viaje: this was tried for like 2-3 years, then king came out with soil binding and gag orders.
mp_en_viaje: killed like 2/3 of the workforce ; as a result the fucktarded peons started agitating about how tyhey should get to choose where to work, get more wages etc
mp_en_viaje: you recall the black death ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to expand re the plague if got time
mp_en_viaje: it delivers a "young dude with a car" at their door. which is what the orc female dream is anyway. now they don't have to go to club.
mp_en_viaje: the ~only practical function of the "taxi" apps is they're disavowed dating apps for the liberated dumb cunts posing as careerwomen
mp_en_viaje: but whatever, this is a point experimentally estgablished during the fucking plague, a good seven centuries ago : permitting the plebs to contribute in ANY WAY to the formation of the price of their own labour destroys the economy
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform took ride in coupla dozen 'ubers' etc , talked to the wheel-turners , found that most of'em have day jobs in bureaucracy somewhere, it's an after-hrs gig
mp_en_viaje: then idle hands make devil's work, because he only works 1/10 of the workday he deskills
mp_en_viaje: they "feel like suckers" when working for "less than the max", because obviously. then they get 1/10 the work, like fucktarded romanians.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's 'furniture-fueled furnace capitalism' -- offloads cost of purchase (and they want the driver to buy it, ideally, via their credit service) & maintenance of the auto , on the driver , removes ~all 'fat margin' so price wildly fluctuates
mp_en_viaje: eh, where's the trilema piece where i discuss the retarded whores doing "fantasy football" in their head, judging "how much X Y or Z '''should get'''" based on how much this one chick allegedly once got ?
mp_en_viaje: which sounds like smart capitalism on the face, but in practice only drives idiocy, because
asciilifeform: ( nor would have imagined that there'd be demand for 'kommunalka' cabs, where some rando d00d can end up inside with you -- why not get into the train then ?? -- but apparently this yes also ! )
asciilifeform: i would not have imagined that there are people who 'i'ma take the cab if its costs 15.00 but not 15.50' but apparently they must exist somewhere
asciilifeform: the 'uber' & related chumpatrons, also appeal to the ~penniless by precomputing the price ( and offering to seat randos for cutting cost in ~half) , so apparently slowly killing traditional cabs.
mp_en_viaje: it's not dispatch, it's excel windows in space, they "manage". wtf manage ?
mp_en_viaje: this is the insescapable pit of the problem : back in sovok 70s, an array of young men was +ev. may take some cleanning / training / tooling / whatever, but, basically, ev.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dunno re orcistans, but over here they ask you to type the addr into a pnojetron and then blindly go where it points.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938390 << but you can't. because it's raining. or because "the game". or because fucktard "can't find the address". or because etcetera. the contemporary 20yo, always and everywhere the driving force of this job (if never the demographic majority) is not mentally capable,
asciilifeform: iguess it wasn't from 'empty space' that the robotic cabs crackpottery began to seem appealing
asciilifeform: hm i thought in germany turks were the 'pakis'
mp_en_viaje: it's dead, the whole "oh, cab's great, talk to cabbie get all the infos, solve all the problems, what you want in your life is like two dozen medallioned cars and the people who work them" is as much an artefact of aforetimes as "man who can cut veal"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw over here in north reich , they're ~solidly india/paki
asciilifeform: i suppose the ex-sovok phf cabbies all finally died of old age, eh
mp_en_viaje: i used to own cars i mostly wasn't using, on the idea that "whatever, nothing wrong with owning it, can always set it to cabwork"
mp_en_viaje: the sort of people you can hire to do the work are to ofuckign moronic to qualify as cows, no farm would hire them to be the livestock
asciilifeform always had vaguely positive impression of modern iran. tho possibly simply on acct of its abuse by the reich
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 18:45:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 immediate observation -- the cabs were so cheap , transport dun seem to be major problem ( from asciilifeform's admittedly brief expedition )
mp_en_viaje: after current trip i intend to go south later this year, istanbul, syria, mebbe dip into iran, all the way to cairo
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo actually investigated south asia when initial isp expedition. they have oddity where bw to ~outside~ of region is astronomically priced.
mp_en_viaje: and, literally, the sort of prices they quote will get you a much nicer thing in kew gardens or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 18:55:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The widely reported years ago on numerous blogs conventional wisdom is that everything is for sale and ~40-60 percent negotiated off the asking prices was a common practice. This needs to be investigated if moving forward.
asciilifeform: they all seem to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha. tho BingoBoingo seems to have found that they haggle .
mp_en_viaje: it's stil la pleasure to read bb prose. both well researched and well written, "The primary center of activity in this area is the Punta Carretas Shopping where many of the Frente Amplio's elders were incarcerated at some point." top keks
mp_en_viaje: with the taxi once hitting a high speed near 30 km/h << fucking makes my skin crawl. the car AVERAGED like 110
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The Kommunalka Uruguaya in the form of Pensiones are targeted strictly to single people. Very similar to Ye Olde Boarding house without the actual provision of board.
asciilifeform: ty for test mp_en_viaje . there's also a raw-all knob (to make syncs easier) , contains all logged material from all enabled chans.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 13:11:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls.
asciilifeform: resetting bot is painful enuff operation that would like to get these 100% nailed before deploy
mp_en_viaje was planning to get on earlier but then... well, things got captivating.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Retard on the other side of the River: http://archive.is/jIoIS "El Banco Central difundió el listado de las personas que compraron más de USD 10.000 por mes"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, it's for the irc task, I gave thimbronion the list of acceptable and banned stuff; he had this older gentoo on which he had said eudev and unsure about it.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 11:50:01 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938420 << spyked this is pretty interesting. is that a coupla 100kB of base64'd fontisms in there ? ( and, apparently buncha perl-genned ???! in 1 of the cl libs ?! )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. strange from the lint traps .
asciilifeform: oh nm it's in the article
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sounds notbad for a heathen shop, except for the last part. perhaps if you write to the fella and describe wot, he'll get in.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
spyked: initial investigation shows that that indeed shouldn't be too painful, probably along the lines of wp_insert_post for each post. will still take some manual labour to verify that posts display well, but that's not burning, so I can do it as I go along with other work.
spyked: in other news, I'm in the process of standing up a mp-wp for thetarpit and migrating posts from the current platform there. will post a genesis for the current blog later today and then work out a plan for migration