mircea_popescu: the pestilence even reached romania ; these fucktards who really have no good cause to survive managed to squeeze a few "OLD STYLE barber shops" in between the slot machine/"sportsbets" nonense and the "fuck my wife, two for one" establishments/courtyards.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-10-02 15:09:36 mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, totally, that's exactly what i mean, you waterskyiing with the photographer's girlfriend on your back.
mircea_popescu: by the time the "oh, fu-xi could mean anything, shrimp fucks the cowboy leg is on the menu because literally, our chinese mother tongue does not have any actual meaning" dorks of the future turn their drones to "recreate true europe", it'll be the faux ustaridian "nobody can accuse it of not being europe" ersatz that's all that's left.
mircea_popescu: fucking self-falsification, is the infuriating part.
BingoBoingo: Nevermind Myspace lost all of their shit during one of its zombie reboots, Instagram Immortality!
BingoBoingo: I don't know that they even impress each other. Too solipsistic, they seem to just be trying to win tourmament markets that don't even have prizes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck it's supposed to even fool ; then again, apparently the last people to have ever had any money, taste, sense or experience died with the millenium. so i guess the fucktards impress each other. it's gotta be, because otherwise the insanity is inexplicable enough -- it's fucking evident they don't ENJOY any of it, protestations to the contrary notwithstanding (or rather, pleading against their case)
mircea_popescu: and, of course, bdsm. and all combinations -- including the typical 50yo moron with a "slave" who's a 20something female doing "rituals", such as inane bullshit where she "swallows the ashes". and so on in this theatrically tedious vein.
mircea_popescu: cigars suffered some under the onslaught as well.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, community colleges, US military bands, etc do these tours telling kids there are careers in the field of making noise in "cafes"
mircea_popescu: fucking intolerable. this, and the pretense 2010s "conaisseur of foods" revival, with their vomit of wine and cheese and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: The Jazz zombie today's a sort of extension of the higher ed bubble's "follow your passions" derpery.
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Avishai_Cohen_2015.jpg/1024px-Avishai_Cohen_2015.jpg << and then the objectionable jewtard himself. how fucking hard could you even be trying, judas fucking christ, with the faux beard and everything, they don't know what a cabotine is in the new york jewish community ?
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK, jazz in the past three decades ? this is like mc cain's love of his life (for the past 9 months). dude's been dead for a year.
mircea_popescu: the music world."
mircea_popescu: And then, of course, the first hit, JAZZIZ Magazine [Search domain www.jazziz.com] "For more than three decades, JAZZIZ Magazine has been covering the music scene, documenting innovations, charting industry trends and following the artists whose lives so colorfully inform our own. The award-winning JAZZIZ Magazine is your one-stop destination for entertainment in
mircea_popescu: and i ask because... wtf, fucking ridoinculous nonsense! Look for them online, it's an ad at the top (for discountmags.com, "Jazziz Magazine - Check Out Our New Low Price"), one on the side (this one for "redbubble.com", "JAZZIZ Redemption" by JAZZIZ " -- yes, including the BROKEN crapsoft quotes -- "Millions of unique stickers ready for laptops, water bottles, helmets, and more. Get up to 50% off. Glossy, matte, and
BingoBoingo: Off the top of my head, I do not though it sounds incredibly familiar.
mircea_popescu: there's self-evidently no reason such a thing as an alleged Matt Micucci should exist, and definitely no good cause for it and similar nothings to aggregate, and for the resulting sadness to be labelled anyway other than "garbage".
mircea_popescu: c. A somber vibe and universal consciousness are the common threads that tie each piece together"
mircea_popescu: "Trumpeter and composer Avishai Cohens sophomore release on ECM is a reflective journey that grapples with the existential crises facing the world today. At barely 38 minutes, the albums five tracks present a delicate interplay between temporal precision and intuitive improvisation. Cohen deftly utilizes drummer Nasheet Waits, pianist Yonathan Avishai and bassist Barak Mori to communicate the raw emotions of his musi
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "oh, it's easy, whatever it might be, adulthood, culture, public speaking, opening a can of tuna. JUST COLOR BY THE NUMBERS!!!" postcards from ustardia :
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-06 19:19:05 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, tbh, the reflection looks pretty cool ; there's prolly a hook there to specify "no reflection past heightmap" or somesuch to get rid of the ultramarine legs
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-06#1957921 - thanks; re that hook, I haven't seen it really and I doubt it exists as such; thinking of it, it's more likely to be something of a side effect again of how the water plane, terrain and character sprite interact; for the time being I'll let it be as it doesn't seem a high priority really.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, tbh, the reflection looks pretty cool ; there's prolly a hook there to specify "no reflection past heightmap" or somesuch to get rid of the ultramarine legs
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2020/photos-from-the-archives-january-20-2011/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Photos From The Archives - January 20, 2011
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/us-army-working-to-develop-cuck-box-technology-to-warn-nags-when-they-have-been-tuned-out/ << Qntra -- US Army Working To Develop "Cuck Box" Technology To Warn Nags When They Have Been Tuned Out
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it has indeed everything needed as far as I know and certainly rsa, keccak, oaep, the whole package.
mircea_popescu: which is perhaps a fine candidate of folding in (or at least, that's the general thrust of my comment -- "why do i have to go outside of the v tool for v work ?")
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:38:36 mircea_popescu: so given bvt's recent and indeed quite shiny work on a new v : is there any interest in actually attempting something like the new clearsign scheme ?
mircea_popescu: well, hm. maybe it's time to re-iterate this point, especially seeing how diana_coman 's recent work,
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/05/the-v-tree-nursery-or-code-control-with-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- The V-Tree Nursery or Code Control with V
mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/pantsuits-fuck-their-iowa-caucus-results-delayed-indefinitely/ << Qntra -- Pantsuits Fuck Their Iowa Caucus, Results Delayed Indefinitely
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in 2010-vintage romanian free love, http://archive.is/gybYM (16 yo gypsy alpha raped 10yo visiting girly in school toilet. anal. then zipped up, went back to playing ball.)
mircea_popescu: ditch the shitty hashes stick to keccak (which is particularly well fit for this job, as it happens), ditch the bad parameters use something convenient (why are keys 4096 bits and the hash 128 ?)
mircea_popescu: re-writing the signature part starting with say diana_coman 's eucrypt could give us a chance to ditch all the warts of a very usgistani past, and even maybe implement PSS or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: there's a lenghty pile of disadvantages to the current mechanism we use, not least of these being that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
mircea_popescu: so given bvt's recent and indeed quite shiny work on a new v : is there any interest in actually attempting something like the new clearsign scheme ?
mircea_popescu: pick some people you actually care about, and connect with those. stop trying to shinohai yourself the imaginary world of where you've wrung the persons out of their deeds, and now looky there's just this pile of hallucinated freedom for you to wither atop of.
mircea_popescu: where "me" is just about a wildcard, it stands for "anyone" because that's what the fuck "no separation from politics" means.
mircea_popescu: but in general, if you can't be arsed to read my blog, you're cordially invited to get the fuck lost and in no case pretend like you're using my patches.
mircea_popescu: this imaginary self-situation in the seat of god where lo and behold you'll somehow see all patches... what the fuck do you think this is, the github flatlands ?
mircea_popescu: and secondly, the rpublic isn't intended to work this way. you're supposed to hear about the patches you hear about. you aren't happy with the patches you hear about, make better friends.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:22:10 mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mircea_popescu: ]~ are in the wrong.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-03#1957857 << two problems. firstly, how about you just use the rss feeds / feedbot for this purpose. and if you're unhappy with the waterhose, ask the people who do it to maybe make a special category or tag ? and if they don't, consider that maybe this means ~[http://thewhet.net/2020/02/the-basilikon-doron-or-royal-gift-a-constitutional/?b=Assume%20problems&e=head#select][you
mod6: I appreciate the poking re things TRB.
jfw: observe for instance how the gardener nearly missed a couple patches anyway but I poked, not even being a signer of any as yet
mircea_popescu: so do not ye worry "the gardener may miss one". really, the walflowers aren't even worth pissing on if they were on fire.
mircea_popescu: i really don't think the known failures of the "engineer" mindset need any encouragement. this whole "i'll overwhelm my horrible idiocy with supposedly worthy deeds" nonsense has little space left to frolic in.
mircea_popescu: mod6, there's a bunch of code shelves you might end up on, if you do the right and proper things.
mod6: Yeah, not that we would want stuff from nonpersons, just in the case where, as we've seen recently (even with my own blog) where it was down for a few weeks, or months as people are between hosting or such.
mircea_popescu: what, they're such impervious snowflakes their deeds overwhelm their existence, is the fantasy ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get the logic whereby anything is ~wanted~ of someone who "disappeared completely"
mod6: jfw: This might be fine, but what if I'm not the guy? Meaning, let's say that there are threads on my blog, people publish stuff in the comments, or wherever on there, i dunno, pingbacks somehow. If someone else takes over, I get hit by a bus, blog goes bye bye from non-payment, what happens to thread on new guys blog?
mod6: But again, if there is going to be a future solution for this in the form of some kind of existing bot extention, then I'm all for that. At least it would, presumably, notify the gardener (somehow) that there is something to inspect.
mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mod6: Anyway, sounds like there might be a solution to this between what billymg and lobbes are working on + maybe another added step?
mod6: jfw: aside from a possible mp-wp (future) solution to the issue; several clicks notwithstanding, I mearly worry that somehow, the gardener may simply overlook or miss one.
jfw: "It puts it on me to chase these down" - this seems to be the core of it; why not leave it to the sponsor(s) of a patch to keep their blogs online & organized enough to find patches (category, code shelf or whatnot)? It's then, what, couple clicks per patch or a wget to import to your own collection - trivial compared to the effort of actually reviewing the patch I'd imagine
lobbes: if I ever get the mp-wp logger complete.. well it interfaces with the mp-wp database already so theoretically possible to hook that up to what billymg is doing down the road
mod6: Ok, I saw this in January, I may need to re-read it, but on first pass I didn't gather that this would do what I needed it to do.
mod6: Now the idea to make a bot that would somehow interact with blogs, is an idea I hadn't thought of before.
mod6: I fully agree, mailman is a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
BingoBoingo: The second biggest problem is that mp-wp is growing, billmg is putting work into making mp-wp do code hosting more cleanly, and the mailman software the mailing list used is an awful, poorly documented thing. If an IRC patchbot is the way to go, hooking it into mp-wp seems like the better direction to go.
mod6: I dunno, anyway, I thought it could be good for people to go ahead and submit a vpatch, and seal to the bot, where it can be checked for L1/L2, and stored for the future, all in one place, making less work for the gardener.
mod6: Not that I love having a centralized bot, either. It's just, I'm not 100% sure what the best way to go is on this. The mailing list was centralized, it worked fine.
mod6: TMSR Lords and others seem to publish all their code on their blogs, which, I think is fine. But my hang-up with allowing people to post TRB patches/seals on their blogs instead of sending them in is two-fold: 1) It puts it on me to chase these down. 2) Then I have to place them somewhere for long-term keeping anyway. As we've seen, people's blogs get rather large, hard to find things, or disappear complet
mod6: Now, I've thought that over a bit; the first thing that came to mind was deedbot. However, I think that deedbot probably isn't the right place for developer doodles. Plus, each one costs actual money.
mod6: I find it fairly easy to go and dig stuff up in there if I need to do so. I tried to stand it back up, several times, in fact, since it's home on Pizarro went down. But I haven't been successful there. Upon speaking to jurov about it, he suggested instead that we create a bot for this purpose instead.
mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
mod6: asciilifeform_whogaveblox << I'm more open to comments on this one too, I don't see a big issue with it being in the tree. I'm also using this one in a test environment (for quite some time now). Haven't seen any issues with it at this time. It would need a simple regrind. Can do it this month as well.
mod6: (23:28) <+jfw> oh sorry, asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks is in there, just the other three then. << correct.
mod6: I've updated the How-To document to reflect that, but otherwise, have had good luck on my own with building. Am interested to hear how it goes for others, though.
mod6: Let me work through these here. Glad you're going to try out a build. Please do let me know how it goes. I did just find three 'gotchas' on CentOS (6.10); whereby 'bison', 'flex' and 'patch' all need to be installed manually. Apparently these are not a part of the default system.
jfw: Re item 4, why is a bot needed for vpatch submission? Don't blogs already cover all the aspects - publishing, commentary, discussion, referencing, notification? (Perhaps your article will clarify, in which case don't mind me.)
jfw: mod6: glad to see progress on the keccak tree. I intend to take a look at the patches and try a build, might not be for a while though. What I'm not seeing though: what is the status of asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks, mod6_excise_hash_truncation, asciilifeform_whogaveblox and mod6_phexdigit_fix ?
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have posted the monthly report for The Foundation in deedbot ^ and here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_202001.txt
jfw: Not that I seriously think they *should* use those for all numbers, I can't see that being anything short of hideous given that it's C, manual memory management and all, "what do you mean you don't know how big the struct will be"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-02-17 10:03:36 mircea_popescu: "/* The count field we have in the main struct object is somewhat limited, but should suffice for virtually all cases. If the counted value doesn't fit, re-write a zero. The worst that happens is that we re-count next time -- admittedly non-trivial in that this implies some 2M fdes, but at least we function. */"
mircea_popescu: you know, this is the same gcc of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-02-17#1897517 fame.
jfw: ah right, I forgot, in soviet russia if-statement sorts the other way so they had to copy+paste+tweak it for that locale.
jfw: I don't see the 5mb of code fwiw; if you can have nested expressions anywhere, then you get hidden temporary variables, so in principle costs no more to allow them anywhere. That gets to the essential vs accidental complexity though, totally wouldn't surprise me to find 10k LoC in gcc dedicated to compound expressions in if-statements specifically.
mircea_popescu: perversely, this "superior" code's even more inscrutable than ye olde asm. which civilised people could in fact read, unlike the current shit
mircea_popescu: on the contrary : the "terseness" supposedly achieved by if (a(x) > b(y) ) z sorta constructions is not merely standing on its own ; but it creates personal investments. now you can't comment your code, either, because you're so clever you saved five bytes of text at the cost of five megabytes of object code. so if you then write a sentence explaining wtf you did, well... you're a sucker now, aren't you!
mircea_popescu: this doesn't automatically mean EVERYTHING has now to be unwound, and so branches only on registers for computers and women kept in the gyneceum like ye olde greeks.
mircea_popescu: the average family's not any happier since women are permitted to seek divorce than they were before ; and code gained nothing from this particular "improvement" that seemed but never delivered.
jfw: ah, back to assembly language then, branches only operating on registers? heh
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even fucking save memory, the five bytes this'll save over a lifetime is dwarved by the five megabytes in extra libc needed to support the insanity
mircea_popescu: jfw, i honestly don't like evaluating ifs. there's really nothing gained, besides compiler weight.
jfw: I like the convention in Scheme where such functions are named ending in !, following the builtin assignment operator "set!"
jfw: mircea_popescu: I get the sense this is more about the user than the tool then. I'd reckon it's equally dumb to call a function with global side-effects from an "if" test, since it's supposed to be just asking a question, not "doing things"
mircea_popescu: the sort of morons who think god will download sexual ability into their heads immediately after marriage tend to naturally think otherwise, of course. but god hates them.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-05#1956632 - "if ($a = 1) ..." worked for me, though in the stupid C sense that the operator has elsewhere, yes. Tried Python and apparently it syntactically forbids single-= in an "if" statement, probably because it has this strict statement vs. expression distinction
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-03 04:00:09 mircea_popescu: and in other wtf, hey lobbes does http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/12/paying-penance-for-walking-the-path-of-derealisation/?b=honestly%20a%20kind&e=slept#select work as intended for you ?
jfw: lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-03#1956535 - doesn't work for me either: hightlights but doesn't jump to the right place. Looks like there's a stray <span id="select"> in the article source
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 23:27:44 mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957677 - I'll have more chewing to do on the political philosophy angle but otherwise I think I get this point.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2020/02/the-basilikon-doron-or-royal-gift-a-constitutional/ << The Whet -- The Basilikon Doron, or "Royal Gift", a Constitutional
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/openwrt-package-checksums-not-checked-opening-mitm-opportunities-and-further-downstream-havok/ << Qntra -- OpenWRT Package Checksums Not Checked Opening MITM Opportunities And Further Downstream Havok
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i'd say it's better than what i ended up using, from the woman's fault, "The term of art for this would be stramula. It comes from a seminal Romanian-language piece on the topic (in which language mula is yet another derogatory term for a stupid woman, not that there's any shortage of these ; whereas stra- is a prefix indicating primacy on the decendency line, sort of like grand in grandfather)."
mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing i could do is take the pre-footnotes starnote, "Mula este femeia medie cu preocupari medii, cu credinte medii, decenta mediu si-n general urmaritoarea de turma. Aia care se imbraca cum se imbraca fetele, crede ce cred fetele, spera sa se marite ca asa vrea mami si crede pe de-o parte ca va fi fericita-n virtutea inertiei si pe de cealalta ca oricine ar trebui sa procedeze exact la fel, pentru ca asa-i B
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 13:22:55 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957752 - replied, in spyked's spam queue. In the mean time, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-linux-initial-release/#comment-182
hanbot_abroad proposes mula for inclusion in republican thesaurus, having no useful source to link to while writing current article and deeming it frequent&occult enough to warrant defining with the other terms.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 13:22:55 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957752 <-- approved. I'll be away for the weekend, but will answer as soon as I get back to the desk
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 12:50:54 mircea_popescu: spyked, thetarpit not having footnote tooltips kinda blows!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957750 <-- that's been on the to-fix list since I installed mp-wp, I should make it a proper to-do item already
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ << actually that's where it was!
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
BingoBoingo: Well, China's know what to do with the pichis and rustics, whether they call themselves Tibetians or Wuighurs.
mircea_popescu: since washington can no longer afford the expensive gold-digging coastal gf...
mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
mircea_popescu: spyked, thetarpit not having footnote tooltips kinda blows!
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process << The Tar Pit -- A journey through the Gales installation process
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-29 17:38:25 mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-29#1957729 - that's good catch, thanks for the correction and expanding on it.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the totalitarian worldview is, after all, that it's a totalitarian worldview.
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't really worth doing, it just seemed like it was at first -- all the better! now they know, and they can thereby move on to doing something actually worth doing.
mircea_popescu: if it was worth doing all the better, you're helping someone do something that was worth doing, which helps everyone here in the most direct of ways.
mircea_popescu: from which point things flow naturally : either what they were doing was worth doing to begin with or not. helping them simply means they'll get to find out faster, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: given that they can benefit, they might or might not feel inclined to talk. that's your job, reducing the latter to the former. in principle most everyone's willing to venture some small ante, see how it goes, and go from there ; corner cases aren't particularly interesting.
mircea_popescu: if they are doing something, they necessarily can benefit -- if they can't, you're doing things wrong, and are cordially invited to change how you do them.
mircea_popescu: in the simplest of terms : whoever you might be meeting, either is doing something or isn't doing anything. if they're not doing anything you absolutely have no use for them, as the idiomatic expression -- there's no possible basis for any relationship, no cause to meet again, get lost dumbo.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
dorion: mircea_popescu thanks. your comments have opened us up though and now I reckon we're more likely to establish the initial working relationship.
mircea_popescu: none of these are problems.
mircea_popescu: dorion nothing wrong with approaching individuals, on the contrary, prolly right thing. nothing wrong with having a clear center, concrete, highest advantage, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:51:58 mircea_popescu: so you know, as far as the life prospects, the future evolution, however you will name the sum-total potential of a person's existence, understanding how to command line is more important than meeting their father. it'll certaily do a lot for them, and it certainly CAN do way the fuck more for them.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957248 - lol, I can see it. a father can in large part be replaced by other positive male role models. I don't reckon cli has a substitute.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:49:03 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn't mean they're not afflicted.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957245 - fo sho. after being blind myself for years, I think I'd quit computers in the imaginary hell in which the cli was taken away from me.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:47:43 mircea_popescu: obviously to a large degree you'll have to support your people, so you'll be working with their things to begin transitioning to sane things as a matter of necessity.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957244 - that's the biggest takeaway I have at this point from this. use what they're doing to develop the relationship and earn their trust and use the relationship to then convert them.
dorion: plus, banks and brokers have their balls in a regulatory vice which takes away a lot of the principal's agency. So our thinking was to approach the principals as individuals and consult them personally, not "their" company.
dorion: e.g. law firms and banks here pretty muuch all have terrible practices and they know it - to a degree, but we were thinking helping them harden their windows systems was carrying too much opportunity cost and there's already competition there.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957240 - in aiming to have something concrete where we had the highest competitive advantage and long term, sustainable leverage for both ourselve and clients, we had been limit
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:38:50 mircea_popescu: so my proposal is rather to look at the matter not as much as you're in the business of TEACHING LINUX (while getting together), but in the business of GETTING TOGETHER (while for instance teaching linux, or gales, or bitcoin, or whatever is needed)
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957236 - ok, point taken and that for sure helps clarify. perhaps I didn't correctly infer what you meant by not wanting face to face to be feasible though.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-06-27 17:39:09 mircea_popescu: the problem though remains, and it goes right into ye olde orthogonality and language discussion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772426 ) : for sigs to mean anything useful they must not mean anything systematical.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 06:18:27 mircea_popescu: there's also the argument that the compiler's the arbiter of code, and if ~it~ doesn't complain then fuck you. but in any case i really am not advanced enough to have the impression i have something to say on that matter.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957569 <-- imo this gap between code and text is resolvable: code, as written by human, is ~also~ a particular representation of an ast. so whatever tool is able to eat an ast (immediately brings to mind "the compiler", as it stands) should also be able to print it back formatted according to user-defined rules.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 09:41:00 mircea_popescu: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/2020/botworks-ix?b=But%20what&e=if#select << ahaha ok that was lulzy. i confess it never occured to me it'd work.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957335 <-- yeah, someone accidentally a verb there. seems using CL's built-in reader opens the door to all sorts of weird if improperly handled. I think I got it right this time tho
billymg: oh nm, so when selecting code to copy paste the 'iv' for a footnote isn't also included
billymg: > make a select/dblclick NOT also catch the footnote literal anchor << i'm not sure what the select/dblclick is referring to here
mircea_popescu: will have to say what others think. imo if you can manage to make a select/dblclick NOT also catch the footnote literal anchor, footnotes in codeblocks are great things
billymg: agree, i was hoping to have a fancy demo of footnotes within codeblocks until i ran into the issue of the (()) false positives in some code samples
mircea_popescu: the / is spurious. yes, people who get the tag misidentified can just replace the literal [ with an escaped value.
mircea_popescu: i really don't give that much of a shit ; unless it starts getting in my way odds are i'll ignore it. this isn't even laziness or identity as much as actual political philosophy, and as such rather
mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
mod6: jurov: Sale of Foundation Server-B (auctionbot auction #1078, BingoBoingo winner @ 18mn ECU; 0.01800000 BTC) see http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ ^
mod6: jurov: Sale of Foundation Server-A (auctionbot auction #1077, paying reserve price) see http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
billymg: mircea_popescu: also responded to your comment on the post just now, the regex matches content between both open and close delimiters so that's why only adding the / to the close was necessary. i.e. there can be as many [[ in the code as you want and it won't bother the matcher
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 16:24:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, my question was rather why not simply ]]
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957636 << for bash and things like nested lists/arrays (i believe you were the first to point that out to me in an earlier discussion actually)
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm not sure what the exact protocol here is, but I'm guessing you can pay me if you'd rather, since I ran the auction for the Foundation.
mod6: Alright, well looks I am buying 'Server-A' since there were no bids. Will pay 0.01700000 BTC to jurov (Foundation Treasurer).
auctionbot: Sell order # 1078 has ENDED: Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ SOLD to BingoBoingo for 18mn ecu. Attn: mod6
mod6: That's fine too. I do actually want the server, so if bidding on it works, I'm fine with that as well.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I don't know that it's a big deal. I strongly suspect you are buying it at the reserve price.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1078: Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ Opening: 17mn ecu Leading Bid: 18mn ecu Ending: 2020-01-29 05:43:42.679910 UTC (1 hours 38 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1077: Dell R610 PE Server ships from U.S. (Server-A) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ Opening: 17mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2020-01-29 05:43:03.567830 UTC (1 hours 38 mins)
mod6: Any thoughts on the better course of action?
mod6: I guess on the other hand, if the auction goes bid-less, then I'll just buy the machine for the reserve price from the foundation.
mod6: 'mod6_auction' is my new irc account for bidding on the foundation's auction for the dell servers.
mircea_popescu: in other news, found and quashed yet another utf bug. http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2013/ was only displaying up to http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2013#537603 because the next line contained 👍 which is a wtf
mircea_popescu: billymg, my question was rather why not simply ]]
diana_coman: ah, I see; right, colours and/or anything else up to the css; works.
billymg: so you can go in your theme css and add any styles you want for span.line-removed { }
billymg: diana_coman: ty. re: the line styling, each line has its own class, so can be trivially styled at the theme level to suit any author's preference. i think it should be up to the blog's author to decide how they present their content (and if they do a horrible job of it, their readership loss is on them too)
diana_coman: np; looks not bad atm though I'd even strikethrough the deleted lines tbh
billymg: it's short and closest to the original [[]] that was suggested but without failing in bash snippets
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957592 << this was my rationale. from actual testing it proved safe across languages (with only a handful of exceptions in the mp-wp genesis' 162k lines)
billymg: and thanks for bearing with me during the live style tweaking
billymg: the width of my codeblock column vs. the width of by blog content column vs. the width of the blog "layout" (white bg) is all set in my theme, not in the plugin
billymg: > visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? << this is the main reason, yes, and i thought that i kept that to a minimum (1px light gray border is all really)
diana_coman: visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? (and I'm truly asking aka if indeed there's a good reason for it, fine; I just don't currently see the reason)
diana_coman: billymg: I don't get why is the code separated from the rest of the text as such; for one thing the test article there for instance did not work well at all on zoom in/out in my firefox
billymg: also fwiw the width of the viewport i have set in my blog's theme css, not in the plugin. the css in the plugin was left intentionally bare-bones so that users could style it to best fit their own blog layouts
billymg: so i could remove the 1px gray border and increase the width by about 20px so that it goes right to the edges of my blog's content column, but that would still be a viewport, no?
billymg: diana_coman: i'm not sure what you mean. if there's no viewport then the content column of the blog becomes the "viewport" -- e.g. http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2016/
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 15:04:59 mircea_popescu: the portion "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_" is visible on my browser. in order to actually see the "POST)) ? true : false;" portion of it, i'd have to scroll right. however, the right scrollbar is under line 413. if i scroll that far down, the topmost line is in the high 300s, meaning that i can't observe the effect scrolling right has upon line 149.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957590 << ahh, i see what you mean. yes that block was particularly bad in the first version, mostly due to the insane default css tab-width setting. it's also something that i tend not to notice because i don't use the scrollbars themselves for scrolling (trackpad on a laptop instead)
diana_coman: billymg: why is the viewport necessary?
billymg: hrm, i'm not seeing anything else in the trilema logs css that would fix it. so the space to the right of the pane is completely empty, not a single line extending past the viewport's edge? is it a lot of empty space to the right (in terms of pixels, inches, or however)?
billymg: but i'm not even sure yet if that's what's causing the ghost scrollbar you're seeing, since you say the text is properly wrapping within the viewport and the scroll appears unnecessary
billymg: ok, so trilema logs uses `word-wrap: break-all` on the entire content column. i used jfw's suggestion of `white-space: pre-wrap` on the code column because it wraps long lines without splitting individual strings
billymg: in my version of firefox there is no scroll bar, but lemme take a look at the css for trilema logs...
billymg: no, no setting there, so whatever's default (which i believe is overflow: auto)
billymg: hrm, that's strange. that was my only guess as to what be causing the ghost horizontal scroll bar (those lines needed a special case handling with `word-wrap:break-word;` to properly wrap)
mircea_popescu: they're broken, 1e69 - b26d299c1f0e9c11631a78c46f95913bd
mircea_popescu: 128MB default memory limit for a PHP script << this is not factual ; there's no default limit for a php script, it's set by config file, you can make it any value you wish.
billymg: > because while the horiz scrollbar is still there for some reason, there's no need of it, as the actual width matches the window width << this might be because the hashes at the top of the diff are not being broken in your browser
mircea_popescu: this is remedied in the new version, because while the horiz scrollbar is still there for some reason, there's no need of it, as the actual width matches the window width, so there's no leeway to scroll left/right
mircea_popescu: the portion "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_" is visible on my browser. in order to actually see the "POST)) ? true : false;" portion of it, i'd have to scroll right. however, the right scrollbar is under line 413. if i scroll that far down, the topmost line is in the high 300s, meaning that i can't observe the effect scrolling right has upon line 149.
mircea_popescu: billymg, in the original example i looked at, line 149 reads : "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_POST)) ? true : false;"
billymg: and whether or not that was similar to what a "linter" would do (which is closer to the first block, depending on how it's configured)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/entire-argentine-judiciary-paralyzed-as-computers-stop-working-for-them/ << Qntra -- Entire Argentine Judiciary Paralyzed As Computers Stop Working For Them
billymg: that probably wasn't the best example for "how to manually format your code to fit in the viewport", since the regex line still goes beyond the max column width, but i was mostly trying to make sure i understood what jfw meant by "language-aware indentation" from his editor
billymg: i personally prefer the formatting in the first block because the newlines and indentation make it very easy to see that exactly one condition is being tested (the result of preg_match_all) and that preg_match_all is being passed exactly 4 arguments
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 06:24:08 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957549 << your example instantly falls down on its own power, btw : think you, to scroll right to see portions of the top lines i now have to scroll down such that the lines in question are off the viewport ? how do i know when i scrolled enough ?
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957575 << i'm not sure i follow here. you would need to scroll right to read the line with the regex and then back left to continue downward (since i've already updated the formatting of the patch viewer on my site so that lines now wrap to fit the viewport, here is what i was referring to: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=p1jb )
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957556 << seriously. i was ashamed at myself for how long i'd let it go on. completely wrapped up in the saltmines i deluded myself into thinking i didn't need it
billymg: there should be no more horizontal scrolling, but potentially depending on browser vintage some of the css attributes may not be supported. if it looks off to anyone please let me know along with browser version so i can look into it
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957561 << with this in mind i made some adjustments to the CSS that i think improve the display quite a bit http://billymg.com/2020/01/embedded-vpatch-formatting-for-mp-wp-draft-vpatch-for-review/#S1-L1
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957549 << your example instantly falls down on its own power, btw : think you, to scroll right to see portions of the top lines i now have to scroll down such that the lines in question are off the viewport ? how do i know when i scrolled enough ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "machine-wrapped lines" refers to the machine pissing spurious characters into the text, NOT to how any terminal ~displays~ the text. what's wrong is specifically comma-slash-n, a syntactucally forbidden construction, \n can only follow a dot, questionmark, exclanation point etc.
mircea_popescu: and i think it's extensible : the same exact process should be applied to all code displayers ; it'll handle comments correctly by default, and people who don't like what it does to their code should write their code otherwise.
mircea_popescu: what i'm saying here to billymg is that he really should look into how trilema flows the content of logs such that they fit in the allocated space, imo that's the only way to go about ths problem
mircea_popescu: now, all this becomes entangled once we apply our literate coding standards, because suddenly the code-vs-text difference above dissolves, and wtf are you saying, mircea_popescu ?!
mircea_popescu: there's also the argument that the compiler's the arbiter of code, and if ~it~ doesn't complain then fuck you. but in any case i really am not advanced enough to have the impression i have something to say on that matter.
mircea_popescu: then again have you seen my/his (hey, if dumbass bois can be denoted by complex pronominal constructions of little sense and even less purpose, why can't i be my/his!!!!) bash kb+ one-liners ? the man's insane!
mircea_popescu: there's the argument that very long lines are a symptom of poor writing habits, and if one re-wrote his code such that "fitting code to viewport" is never an issue the code won't thereby suffer (and if this means ditching idiocies like "object oriented" and dead-end wanna-be nonlanguages -- well, it's a public service).
mircea_popescu: wrt code however, mircea_popescu has no firm oppinion on line length, or what to do about it (apparently he also doesn't have a firm oppinion on discussing himself in the third person, which strikes the fourth person mp, that being the first person reading itself in the third person, as a little odd).
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:42:48 jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
mircea_popescu: wrt text, mircea_popescu is firmly against machine newlines, because text is supposed to maintain auctorial intent not machine convenience, and the unit is the paragraph, and further considerations.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957545 << this is a misunderstanding. wrt code, mircea_popescu is firmly against spaces-as-substitute-tabs, on the theory that duble vowels are stupid and triple-vowels pure linguistic breakdown. there's no fucking reason to keep clucking at the same button over and over like a maniac ; and besides there's semantic difference between the two, spaces-as-tabs are just fucking
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:39:59 billymg: i think i lean towards displaying code exactly as it is, even if this means some horizontal scrolling _within_ a pane, rather than machine-wrapped lines (which can be disastrous for legibility)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957543 << imo this is the wrong choice in context.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 01:20:54 billymg: btw in a few i'll be in cr for about a week. this past week i've been setting up travel iron, archival and transfer procedures, etc. the digital part of the move proving much more complicated than the physical
mircea_popescu: bvt, i did see that, but i took it as a simple stop-gap non-answer. it's there serving a political purpose, i don't have cause to take offense for neglect or anything, which i don't ; but it's not ordinarily much of an answer, as there's no proceeding on it.
bvt: mircea_popescu: since this point was raised in #ossasepia, a ping: i did provide the answer (as best as i could) to http://bvt-trace.net/2020/01/re-pbrt/#comment-110
jfw: billymg: realized I might not have quite understood what you're asking - I meant indentation strictly, not adding line breaks, if that's what the linter does. Much harder thing to do mechanically and well.
billymg: that one i formatted manually but in the saltmines had "linter" running which would do the same thing on every file save
billymg: it's also on my todo list to eventually create a reference theme for mp-wp. this should be an opportunity to better support the code "content type" within the context of a blog
jfw: I'll need to duck out of the discussion for a day or two though; been falling behind on my own priorities. Wanted to chime in though since I'd been recently dealing with blogging snippets.
jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
jfw: you're welcome. and yeah, no fully satisfying fix there that I'm yet aware of