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badon: That's important USA history that is not in USA history books.
badon: bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00057296 = 9.5684 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform random derps on the tumblrs << misread as 'on the tumbrils'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.12786714 = 3.836 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3170 @ 0.0012 = 3.804 BTC
assbot: AMERICAN DIGEST: February 2013 Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/135ibJK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5361 @ 0.00058931 = 3.1593 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: soo... argentines are about to set fire to the town AGAIN
mircea_popescu: 2nd time this week.
mircea_popescu: there's like... people on top of people on top of buses.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they're so excited about, at 3am
BingoBoingo: Probably a local club won a game again.
BingoBoingo: Losing fans generally lack the energy to burn the world
mircea_popescu: i guess it must have.
BingoBoingo: !up huseby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.0006126 = 19.3582 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ransomware article << funny thing, i have plenty of windows boxen, emulators, vm, etc. they are used for the purpose for which they work best: running crapware.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic. << counting from what now?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't really know many people who don't
asciilifeform: who don't what ?
asciilifeform: i had none at all before taking up my present line of work.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have some sort of windows install for crapware. Maybe not for archeological purposes, but everyone with a Windows box seems to use it for the purpose of running crapware. They just aren't usually aware of it.
asciilifeform: 'you may not take an interest in war but war is certainly interested in you'
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process. << thestringpuller clearly doesn't understand how the world works
ben_vulpes: also, one does not *hire* leadership.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi << can it be 300 ass ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to as ?
mircea_popescu: brilliant idea otherwise.
BingoBoingo: A.SS it is
ben_vulpes: leastaways i've yet to see that work out for anyone. more often than not hiring leadership is a cover for the sharks to move in and kick founding teams out.
asciilifeform: piss-poor year zero.
ben_vulpes: frequently deservedly, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: i'll wait for usg nuremberg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know ad is from the birth of christ
mircea_popescu: not from rebirth.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 00:43:32; ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
ben_vulpes: handy, this public record.
fluffypony: almost like a "log" of sorts
fluffypony: where you can go back and check on things
fluffypony: whatever will they think of next
mircea_popescu: it totally keeps track of discussions and ideas and everything
ben_vulpes: o wow one can do all that too?
fluffypony: think of it as stone tablets
fluffypony: but someone is chiseling every conversation we have here
fluffypony: and there's another guy who will go retrieve older stone tablets on your request
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"? << when are car loans not ever underwater?
mircea_popescu: right. consumer credit works on that principle.
asciilifeform: think car loan is a scam? try food loan.
asciilifeform: product turns to shit every time!
asciilifeform: sc4mz0rz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00061722 = 11.7821 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wait wut
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was speaking of the well-known fact that a new car in usa loses around a fifth of its market value when driven off the merchant lot
asciilifeform: this is a tell-tale bezzle bell
asciilifeform: for certain especially perverse goods (e.g. diamond rings) it's ~90% iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00062388 = 6.0204 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: hah well
ben_vulpes: first one'd have to pay more than the gold is worth
asciilifeform: to 'devil's advocate' - driving the car off the lot turns it into another class of machine entirely.
asciilifeform: see the 'provenance' discussion.
asciilifeform: (re: eotvos experiment)
ben_vulpes: i got away with a "filigree" piece - 90% air anyways
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: in your car?
ben_vulpes: no on lady v's finger
asciilifeform has not, does not, will not - own rings
asciilifeform: woman - also
asciilifeform: rings bring mutilation and death to the chemical, electrical, mechanical experimenter.
ben_vulpes: i like to piss on my bushes
ben_vulpes: different strokes
asciilifeform: piss on my bushes << electric fence in bushes ?
asciilifeform unfamiliar with expression
ben_vulpes: a reference to territory marking.
asciilifeform: lol, ring has your coat of arms on it?
ben_vulpes: "a collar by any other name..."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is really such a mystery to you?
asciilifeform recalls one of the folks at mircea_popescu's party having collar
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not so much the custom of rings being a mystery, but how it marks the territory as being yours in particular, to the naked eye
ben_vulpes: how does a fence mark the land as belonging to any particular man?
asciilifeform: it doesn't
ben_vulpes: and the message it sends?
BingoBoingo: What voltage does the fence have?
ben_vulpes: at least in these parts "cross me and get shot".
asciilifeform: 'survivors will be shot again!'
ben_vulpes: i don't leave survivors.
ben_vulpes: more accurately, the roboturrets don't miss.
BingoBoingo: Any updates from down under on their brush with IStralia?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52923 @ 0.00060115 = 31.8147 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00059376 = 3.2063 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> woman - also << nose rings can be useful :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20616 @ 0.00059376 = 12.241 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: is anyone aware of interesting hiccups around using bitcoin to send rpc commands to a bitcoin daemon running on a different host?
fluffypony: why would you not just use curl to send the RPC commands?
ben_vulpes: cause derp, obviously
ben_vulpes: ty fluffypony
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00060016 = 3.0608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17629 @ 0.00059704 = 10.5252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7171 @ 0.00059704 = 4.2814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00059385 = 10.4815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2300 @ 0.0012 = 2.76 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.0005843 = 1.9574 BTC [-]
assbot: Semi-Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1Go6TPM )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00059192 = 27.0371 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Gambling Online: The Dollar is SO Much Better Than Bitcoin - The Coinion ... ( http://bit.ly/12STgJI )
BingoBoingo: Looks like an ad placement by a retard
BingoBoingo disappoint again
davout: the ddos on connect thing seems to still be going on
davout: looks like it prevents anyone from webchat to connect
davout: even when cloaked
davout: well, actually it's the cloak that doesn't actually work with webchat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31881 @ 0.00059362 = 18.9252 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00059754 = 7.8577 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26274 @ 0.00059992 = 15.7623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21657 @ 0.00059175 = 12.8155 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: bitfinex seems to have the same kind of uncertainty as mpex
davout: adlai: wut
adlai: where you can have an order placed/cancelled message processed by the API server, but a subsequent order book query shows that the order matcher hasn't yet seen the order
davout: you can not infer what the matching engine has seen from an order book query
davout: for all you know it might be cached and not expired yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35692 @ 0.00058062 = 20.7235 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00057896 = 18.0346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00060016 = 7.322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00057893 = 13.3443 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00058557 = 11.5943 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32627 @ 0.00059433 = 19.3912 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.12408674 = 6.4525 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00057886 = 19.276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44094 @ 0.00056586 = 24.951 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up Rory_
davout: mircea_popescu: seems like the welcome-ddos is another barrier to entry
mircea_popescu: pretty cool huh.
davout: also you can't avoid it from webchat
davout: since the cloaking doesn't work
mircea_popescu: it does ?
davout: try to get cloaked from webchat, at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it
mircea_popescu: that's pretty stupid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00056436 = 16.6486 BTC [-]
cazalla: shit is heating up here, media won't show the videos from IS
assbot: ISIS demands in sydney through hostage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTO5Ha )
mircea_popescu: lol put it up.
mircea_popescu: ah it's on youtube nm
cazalla: yeah it's everywhere except TV, so it's nowhere according to TV lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, because tv really matters o.O
mircea_popescu: so is the statal bureaucrat going to break down and actually *GASP* talk to someone outside of the venues the state controls ?
mircea_popescu: or is he going to *pretend* like he gives a shit about anything but his fantasy ?
mircea_popescu: pretty big deal this, imo.
mircea_popescu: australian prime minister basically is admitting de facto that a) he stands for a lie and b) he's too stupid to be able to argue for it persuasively.
mircea_popescu: his case is unexceptional. obama couldn't argue why the usg should even exist either.
cazalla: he won't talk to em, not a chance, heads are gonna roll either way by looks of it
mircea_popescu: pretty cool imo.
mircea_popescu: this point needs to be made, and made often and made well.
mircea_popescu: "democratically elected representatives" are not only dumb as rocks, but fundamentally unrepresentative.
cazalla: well, you were right about the landwhales lol http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32f_1418647768
assbot: LiveLeak.com - Sydney Siege Hostage Demands (Video 4) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTR2aS )
cazalla: srs though, can't be that dedicated to the cause if he didn't even have his own flag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00060235 = 19.0343 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Sheikh Haron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTT8aH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57311 @ 0.00058158 = 33.3309 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: halfassed terrorist holds a bunch of fatasses hostage ?
cazalla: looks somewhat halfassed, arrested for sending angry letters previously, guess that is to far a jump to heads on pikes
mircea_popescu: "and was later verified by media (with permission from the authorities)"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
cazalla: yeah, sad eh
cazalla: if this guy gets out of it alive, he has a future in viral marketing on social media
mircea_popescu: why would i want to read a "press" that publishes by permission ?
mircea_popescu: every social reject from every mechanism and circumstance has the same future in viral marketing.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other side of internet lol, http://pastebin.com/rHSu3iPi
assbot: I'm homeless indian junkie. I'm accepting Bitcoin donations to buy crack for me - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVYwv )
cazalla: "Sent from my iPhone"
mircea_popescu: that a good thing ?
thestringpuller: dunno why a homeless person addicted to crack would have an iPhone...
thestringpuller: or how for that matter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1948 @ 0.00060124 = 1.1712 BTC [+]
cazalla: looks like that was used for Preet Bharara
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller internet derp being what he imagines is sarcastic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00060687 = 13.5939 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: get a cloak Rory_
cazalla: i wonder if it's a psychological tactic to release his name at this time, maybe he feels media gives him recognition and being tired, is content with that and gives up
mircea_popescu: the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy.
cazalla: barely noticed tbh
mircea_popescu: shit sherlock
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
mircea_popescu: you seen that c?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00060931 = 13.4658 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: larger than the previous peak.
cazalla: well, that's not bad
mircea_popescu: by a good 50%
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thank reddit
cazalla: yeah, a qntra post was like #4 or something on reddit earlier
thestringpuller: qntra was on front page of /r/bitcoin
assbot: Ford Motor Company: Bitcoin A Trend For 2015 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHCSsy )
thestringpuller: to quote "I came for the bunny" so you should actually be thanking cazalla 's bunny
cazalla: not bad considering i was drunk at the time, just ask BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: funny enoughy, awstats doesn't see the same sort of jumps
mircea_popescu: i think part of this might be that most of qntra stable readership are computer savvy folks and so invisible,
mircea_popescu: but whenever reddit or whoever pours in, there's a huge upsurge in traffic visible for quantcast.
cazalla: wouldn't it be other way around? savvy reader blocks quantcast code, hit still reg in webserver stats?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
cazalla: who are all these asians though
mircea_popescu: awstats average is like 6-700, yest 1.3k
mircea_popescu: quantcast is more like 50-200, yest 2.7k
mircea_popescu: anyways, nice going. it's fun to have the ath yest.
cazalla: nb considering things have been slow past week, i would expect things to crawl over xmas period too
mircea_popescu: me too yeah
thestringpuller: cazalla: well given BingoBoingo's prevention of shitware piece, maybe more non-time-sensitive pieces?
davout: !t x.eur
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
cazalla: thestringpuller, yeah, those articles are good for the weekend
thestringpuller: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00350937 / 0.00353359 / 0.0035368 (449 shares, 1.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00341302 / 0.00349125 / 0.00355121 (2207 shares, 7.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00321492 / 0.00337825 / 0.00355121 (6434 shares, 21.74 BTC)
cazalla: i'm off anyway, zzz
thestringpuller: night mang
davout: thestringpuller: ah thx
thestringpuller: see you in a few hours
mircea_popescu: he doesn't really sleep much does he.
davout: mircea_popescu: x.eur plox
thestringpuller: does anyone sleep that much in this channel?
mircea_popescu: i guess not o.O
mircea_popescu: davout will happen today :)
davout: mircea_popescu: so, why does it not make sense according to you that x.eur could trade continuously?
mircea_popescu: because old and new contracts hafta be distinguished.
mircea_popescu: and because downstream providers & brokers need a settlement spot
davout: mircea_popescu: old and new can be distinguished by the current timestamp, after cutoff all "old" contracts turn into "new"
davout: could you elaborate on the settlement spot ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is this why there were options appended with T and N
mircea_popescu: basically, we're cheating by using a singlke name for different instruments.
thestringpuller: N's would eventually turn into T's
mircea_popescu: this works ok if therer's some time separation.
davout: because the way i see it, it could perfectly make sense to say "if you want delivery, email me before cutoff minus 24h, push the asset, email receipt, and you get delivered on the settlement date"
mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll get the new set later today, nottin' to get too excited about.
davout: i could understand the "it's actually two different assets" point if at some point you had to sell the old one and buy the new one
mircea_popescu: i can see people doing that.
davout: if one automatically turns into the other one at some point they sure look like the same to me
mircea_popescu: this arguing by simple restatement of one's position is uninteresting.
davout: i guess that what i'm trying to clear up is the question: "why do you want to distinguish them?"
mircea_popescu: because they are actually different things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00061138 = 8.4065 BTC [+] {2}
davout: well, just because two dollar bills have a different serial number doesn't make it very useful to distinguish them, likewise it does not seem very useful to me to want to distinguish between these, maybe it's just me but i don't see what problem this solves
mircea_popescu: but these aren't two dollar bills. one is a dollar bill of your paycheck today. the other is a dollar bill of your paycheck next month. they aren't fungible.
davout: absolutely, but at any point of time there can't be only a single contract type trading, unlike what i understand from the usual future contracts where at some point both contracts are trading simultaneously
mircea_popescu: yeah well, the time granularity here is closer to the day than to the second
davout: from what i understand, it's usually the case that the N and N+1 contracts trade simultaneously during a few days at least
mircea_popescu: if they're specially denominated, yeah.
TomServo: Wow. 1USD = 60.5RUB.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4008 @ 0.0012 = 4.8096 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00061248 = 25.8467 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC
asciilifeform: at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it << wtf is the deal with the 'cloaking' thing anyway. why the idiocy of displaying ip by default ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works!1111!!
mircea_popescu: they're just clueless idiots.
asciilifeform: apparently not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00060931 = 8.3475 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu recalls his last foray into #freenode, where some staf derp explained how he can revert hashes
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy. << too strong of a noob filter imho. more spport for the casuals!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if they're actively trying to stick, they can triviallydo so.
mircea_popescu: if they just wantr to idle in 500 "bitcoin related" channels fuck them.
thestringpuller: go to #freenode "Hey can I have cloak"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.0006108 = 23.0577 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00060307 = 2.2314 BTC [-]
rithm: "can i haz cloak" makes it happen faster
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2277 @ 0.0012 = 2.7324 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4300 @ 0.0012 = 5.16 BTC
davout: mircea_popescu: mpex seems half-down
davout: n/a everywhere
mircea_popescu: workin' on it.
jurov: $proxies
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.biz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.co (5120 milliseconds), mpex.ws (5230 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (5505 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
jurov: l0l
davout: jurov: the patient is dead but the heart monitor self-test reports 100% success phew
kakobrekla: ah yes, the ping machine!
kakobrekla: ;;google machine that goes ping
gribble: Monty Python - Hospital Sketch - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc>; The Meaning of Life (1983) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085959/quotes>; Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_The_Meaning_of_Life>
mircea_popescu: davout lol well, they have a split issue. the proxies are online, just... no data.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1670 @ 0.0012 = 2.004 BTC
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla when you measured the 1+gb/sec or whatever of ddos, didja log incoming packets ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform nope.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if you can be bothered, try the experiment again, with tcpdump log. and post or send privately (i only need packet payloads and originator ip)
asciilifeform: no rush.
assbot: The Shadowserver Foundation: Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP) Scanning Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1svOj5H )
asciilifeform: interestingly, they do not publish the ips, but did post this graphic: https://ssdpscan.shadowserver.org/all/ssdp_hilbert_4096_current.png << from which you can easily derive them!
asciilifeform: ^ exercise for alert reader
assbot: Free C SSDP attack script + scanner, don't get scammed! - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svP3Yx )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol re: idiots
davout: mircea_popescu: so you're using mysqlol on the proxies
assbot: SSDP Amplification Vector Explain [Attack Script & Scanner included] + a GIFT - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQ6YH )
assbot: X.EUR December 15th 2014 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQXbQ )
davout: asset transfers will happen when MPEx gets back
davout: which is apparently now
kakobrekla: asciilifeform port 80 only?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: nah, originating from 1900
asciilifeform: destination may vary.
asciilifeform: for the impatient: the way this particular type of ddos works is called 'amplification.' certain kinds of misconfigured consumer routers will send several packets to victim ip for every packet received from the diddler's. hence amp.
asciilifeform: ddos aficionados scan the net for these boxes, and then sell (or sometimes simply post) the resulting chump list
asciilifeform: once posted in the open, the chumps begin to get 'overgrazed'
asciilifeform: and new ones are required.
kakobrekla: yes but incoming is 80
kakobrekla: recording now, unable to access the box for the while
kakobrekla: (this is hitting 4 poor arm cores)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: grab as many as you can. no hurry.
kakobrekla: 250mb log atm
kakobrekla: seems to be dying off
Anduck: .deeds
Anduck: where's deeds?
ben_vulpes: ask punkman. nominally some progress was to be made this weekend.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform see link in pm.
assbot: [Bitcoin-development] Recent EvalScript() changes meanCHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can't be merged ... ( http://bit.ly/12X0IU5 )
ben_vulpes: lordy
BingoBoingo: !up t4nk
assbot: 1000-Piece CMYK Color Gamut Jigsaw Puzzle By Designer Clemens Habicht | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT27pS )
mats: don't worry BingoBoingo, trainers will lower requirements so the chihuahuas can graduate
mats: its already been done for chihuahuas going through Airborne and Air Assault school
thestringpuller: !up BlueMeanie4
mats: but, hey, israel allows chihuahuas to serve in their infantry units!!!
asciilifeform: http://wurmhoudt.blogspot.com/2012/08/anti-tank-dogs.html << chihuahua could work just as well in this job.
assbot: Mr Boot's Axis Blog: Anti-tank Dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT4by4 )
BingoBoingo: Depends on the size of the payload the tank demands
mats: heart dun mean shit when you've got to march 20mi in a 30 pound iotv, with a 45 pound pack, and 15 pounds of weapon and magazine
cazalla: i am happy to report Australia is safe once again, apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep, hostages ran out and woke him, he started blasting and cops 360 no scoped him
mats: such discipline
adlai: mother should i trust the government
kakobrekla: ok so assbot will now warn you bout ddos only if you have a dot in you host
kakobrekla: if you get the msg, yer phucked
thestringpuller: "We choose to bitcoin company in the bitcoin way" - some derp CEO of some coinderp company. These quotes are getting ridiculous.
kakobrekla: lol ok
mats: verb everything
BingoBoingo: I liked assbot PM though. Made it easy to say !up while typing less
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe if host doesn't have a dot assbot can greet people with joke?
jborkl: heh, yeah
mats: would you make it three dots?
kakobrekla: cant you put cloak on top of that?
jurov: argh, every github hipster now wires travis ci to their project
jurov: btw, i was invited to coinmate.io
jurov: later read it as co.inmate, had double take
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8000 @ 0.0012 = 9.6 BTC
kakobrekla: >Dear clients,
kakobrekla: we sincerely apologize but our site was under a massive Distributed Denial of Service attack. We have reconfigured our servers for full protection by one of the world's best DDOS protection providers, so there will not be any downtime in the future. Our service has now world-class security.
kakobrekla: lolok
BingoBoingo: Is .inmate a tld yet?
jurov: i'd prefer .зэк
jurov: already i got into argument with these coinmates.. since their czech ass is close to eurozone and they offer sepa/czk
jurov: so i asked them about the calculator instead of just saying go to xe.com
jurov: "nooo that would be difficult"
jurov: and "but most of our customers are muricans"
jurov: i was like wtf how they imagine offering usd coupon codes to muricans when everyone else was forced to stop doing it
jurov: co.inmates, indeed
BingoBoingo: What the fuck. "I am near you would like to be customer" "Fuck you, our customers are Americans so we can scam them with impunity"
jborkl: heh, too hard to scrape exchange rate and divide by BTC
jurov: slight correction: they don't open accounts for USians they only said to me "our customers use usd" .. i just misextrapolated
mats: nah a cloak won't take precedence over the irccloud one
kakobrekla: sure it will
mats: freenode staff disagrees
kakobrekla: freenode staff can also dehash hashes
mats: i almost started a fire just now bc some extension cable started melting when i hooked up a space heater
mats: wouldn't have noticed if i hadn't went to poop
kakobrekla: your ass saved your ass
BingoBoingo: mats: You are now qualified to operate BTC mine
BingoBoingo: By virtue of Ass luck
mats: im getting high on plastic fumes
jurov: http://www.zelpage.cz/news_n/zssk_aeer_nove_wc.jpg someone who projected this toilet prolly got some fumes, too
jurov: (it's our incumbent railways reaction to competition)
adlai: mpex web-side totally fucked eh
jurov: i remember we talked with mircea about more direct access, he was like "nah, not needed anymore, we have it covered"
kakobrekla: !s s.nsa november
assbot: 3 results for 's.nsa november' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.nsa+november
jurov: remember,remember
kakobrekla: mats it seem they are right this time. dik, get a real client or smth.
adlai: good thing the chart scraper was turned off, it would've captured a cartload of horseshit
kakobrekla: you horse shit can be turned into btc
mircea_popescu: omg all teh hate.
mircea_popescu: anyway, dumbass proxies desynced and started running around topless in the dc.
jurov: mircea_popescu: photos or gtfo
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: famous
adlai: to celebrate mpoe coming back up: https://vid.me/pYV4
assbot: The MPEx Shuffle - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBYQL8 )
mircea_popescu: "The #4890 pull-req in question had no ACKs at all, and only two untested utACKS, which I find worrying for something that made significant consensus critical code changes." via BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: basically, shit only goes one way.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Courtesy of Peter Todd
jurov: yup for mpex
mircea_popescu: adlai aww i cxan not see it
mircea_popescu: whai can it not be a gif
adlai: can this ffmpex thing make gifs
mircea_popescu: ffmpeg ? yes.
mircea_popescu: "apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep" << ahahaha epic
mircea_popescu: "i was gonna do thinks with my gun... but then i got tired... then i got tired... and fell asleep"
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw << my humble proposal for a isis.oz anthem
assbot: Afroman - Because I Got High - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC03lx )
BingoBoingo: I really think it is irresponsible the dude didn't bring some serious stimulants with him. I mean the police get to have shift changes.
adlai tries with convert, let's see how bad the RAMrape gets
mircea_popescu: you just do ffmpeg -o fuck.gif or some shit
mircea_popescu: im bashing the kako ass ass comment.
adlai: fuck, gif is 3mb and counting
adlai: why does convert need 5G ram to build a 4M file. somebody didn't read knuth?
assbot: Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbmC1Q )
BingoBoingo: adlai: Everyone talks about Knuth, but no one reads Knuth.
asciilifeform: 'no one' lol.
undata: mircea_popescu: there's "ionice" which might help those cases
undata: not that I dispute ubuntu being a steaming pile
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4210 @ 0.0012 = 5.052 BTC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: noone for values such that of people who claim to have, finding actual readers is still a hard problem. Not an actual 0.
decimation: asciilifeform: that internet-wide scanner is neat
decimation: .зэк would be a great tld
assbot: Monty Python's - Johann Gambolputty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16oUaQg )
mircea_popescu: THAT shouldbe a tld.
decimation: so I guess the democratic police in sydney nearly succeeded in saving all the hostages
cazalla: decimation, they saved themselves, nearly all escaped before the cops even went in
cazalla: if the law permitted us to carry weapons, would've ended much sooner as well
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asciilifeform: what threadbare log.
asciilifeform: from the department of nyooz yoo can yooze - kakobrekla provided data from which we learn that ddos man has switched from ssdp to ntp 'amplification' attack (see literature.)
cazalla: and it's that bullshit law which enables mohammed to hold down a chocolate shop for almost 24 hours.. the gov actually enabled him to do better than he could if the playing field was level
asciilifeform: same principles apply to ntp flooding as earlier ssdp - anyone who wishes can 'walk away with' the 'bots'.
asciilifeform: the machines in question are not 'pwned' in the conventional, permanent sense
asciilifeform: they answer to any fool who can send some spoofed packets.
mircea_popescu: no, just ntp is a braindamaged protocol
mircea_popescu: the world would be so much better if all the gmaxwells of this world were never taught to read.
asciilifeform: all of the 'amplification' tricks rely on the ability to send (and see them routed) packets with spoofed origin ip.
asciilifeform: this in turn is fundamental braindamage baked into a good chunk of the net.
asciilifeform: great many places have no 'ingress filtering'
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with declaring your ip
asciilifeform: this is something else
mircea_popescu: there IS something wrong to treating packets like fucking popcorn.
asciilifeform: packets claiming to be from inside your net should not be able to enter it from outside.
mircea_popescu: not trivial to know where a packet enters tho. they do have to traverse it anyway
asciilifeform: most 'human' networks have a single gateway.
mircea_popescu: " IP addresses that were not assigned to the device which is sending them."
mircea_popescu: this is not the solution.
mircea_popescu: the solution is to not send 500 packets in response to one
asciilifeform: weirdos like us, who might use gnarly multihomed pipes, not counted
mircea_popescu: and to not send packets to X that were asked for by Y.
asciilifeform: that last bit is precisely what i was speaking of.
asciilifeform: spoofing allows y to impersonate x.
asciilifeform: hence x gets the reply.
asciilifeform: this is not high science. ip spoofing and ddos vectors enabled by it are an age-old plague.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile TO THIS DAY wordpress will go check 1.1.1.1 because 2.2.2.2 said so.
mircea_popescu: and in connectionless environments such as ntp or dns even, it would cost nothing to require 2 tits for every tat.
mircea_popescu: you want the time ? ask twice. the server answers each request pair once, in the order of descending delta intervals.
asciilifeform: there are considerably more misconfigured consumer routers, tv boxes, electrical dildoes, etc. than 'wordpress' installs.
asciilifeform: (the latter tends to sit on fatter pipe, however. so i've no idea which one wins in practice.)
asciilifeform: ^ for typical crap artist's collection
mircea_popescu: im annoyed by the principle of the thing.
mircea_popescu: mullenweg and the core of imbeciles "working" at wordpress go around claiming they program computers
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they are too stupid o tie their own shoes.
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 17:09:27; asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs
mircea_popescu: "lets make computers fun" ; "you know, for kids" and "anyone can do this". fuck that.
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 16:32:51; asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, computers were such that children could actually reason about them.
mircea_popescu: pre apple.
asciilifeform: pre-i386.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entire world made by derps unaware of game theory needs to be redone.
mircea_popescu: it's like a beautifully drawn mmorpg made by blizzard. you KNOW the economy will be broken to all shit.
asciilifeform: who? - made what? - while unaware of game theory?
mircea_popescu: every anything used in an amplification attack meets the criteria.
mircea_popescu: it was made by idiots who do not understand what trade even is.
asciilifeform distinctly recalls that half the u.s. research establishment at one point furiously masturbated to game theorey
asciilifeform: *theory
mircea_popescu: yah well
BingoBoingo: Plenty of derps masterbate to the idea of tits without experiencing or understanding them
asciilifeform: the problem with 'amplification attack' isn't that i can send b bytes and get K*b back. failing this - tremendous waste! problem in actuality is spoofed packets getting routed, which at this point is always and without exception the result of idiot network designers and admins
mircea_popescu: no waste whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: it's not waste, it's usage.
mircea_popescu: you always get less than what you put in. this is the chief principle that makes the world endure
asciilifeform: you're talking about, unless i misunderstand, 'pushing' one bit for each 'pulled' ?
mircea_popescu: in spite of endless generations of imbeciles running wild all over it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more than one.
asciilifeform: who wishes to pay for this? mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: you want n packets, you send at least n+1. you want n bits, you send at least n+1.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of who wishes anything.
asciilifeform: remember that ddos does not necessarily require 'amplification'
mircea_popescu: it's how everything must be.
asciilifeform: perfectly feasible simply using bots
asciilifeform: sending entirely ordinary packets
asciilifeform: directly to victim
mircea_popescu: as long as friction is baked in, the ddos problem fundamentally doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: exactly for the reason you mention : who can afford or wants to give anyone free traffic ?
asciilifeform: ddos still exists if network treats random derp in random place equally with the folks whose traffic one actually wants.
mircea_popescu: somehow ddos doesn't happen irl. wonder why ?
mircea_popescu: it's not because of national id cards.
asciilifeform: because in real life, taking a shit in someone's kitchen requires physically entering.
mircea_popescu: right, which goes through thermodynamic dissipation aka friction.
asciilifeform: but suppose you could silently teleport it.
mircea_popescu: that is what im saying. to get a packet there, you need more than one
mircea_popescu: no more bs "teleport bits" internet
asciilifeform: bots still work as before
mircea_popescu: for as long as your bank accoutn lasts, sure.
asciilifeform: only the lowliest sp4mz0r actually pays for bots.
mircea_popescu: because teleport bits exists, putting undue down pressure on all prices.
mircea_popescu: it's a situation exactly identical to "pay for software" and software market in general.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware, reddit expects everything for free.
mircea_popescu: the reason is not economical, nor sensible.
mircea_popescu: they only get away with it because a flaw in the design.
asciilifeform: i can think of a few events that would apply the necessary upward pressure on bandwidth cost.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be an event
asciilifeform: say, cataclysmic war.
mircea_popescu: that is the definition of design : rules independent of events.
mircea_popescu: in short, the more i think about it the more im inclined to rather see the telcos win the internet war, adn google lose it
asciilifeform: let's rephrase a little. the internet as presently exists, is, in practice, mainly a machine for 1) connecting derps to 'reddit' and 'arsebook' 2) routing ddos packets to trilema, qntra...
asciilifeform: if want some other network - have to produce it.
mircea_popescu: if cardano wasn't so woefully delayed exploring this in practice'd be almost tempting.
mircea_popescu: make a whole new web, on a whole new port, based on pgp signs
asciilifeform: which practice ?
mircea_popescu: turn off all other traffic, have servers in their own, better world.
asciilifeform: i may have spoken of this once. i've a very rough draft of precisely this, using an interesting bit of mathematics called 'fountain code'
asciilifeform: but not ready for battlefield. and no time now.
mircea_popescu: it'd be a better tor and everything else by default.
asciilifeform: rather opposite goal to 'tor.'
asciilifeform: if i understand mircea_popescu correctly
mircea_popescu: but actually delivering its claimed fruits.
mircea_popescu: and absolutely NEVER allow any derps on it. stick to the original plan with the original internet, no fucking undergrads.
mircea_popescu: no fucking aol.
asciilifeform: whole thing was based (in my head) on a hypothesis that folks misidentify the reason for the glory of old usenet
mircea_popescu: the glory of the usenet is exactly the glory of b-a.
asciilifeform: folks typically say 'it was because electric identities were attached to people'
mircea_popescu: once you get the proper voice model implemented, forgeddaboutit
BingoBoingo: http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1412060-LI-KFREEBSD879 << Look the Derps still benchmark OS software but have lost the ability to benchmark with... Same hardware!
assbot: Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1qTTPy1 )
asciilifeform: but really it was because posts were attached to identities (as a matter of convention, rather than 'hard' protocol)
asciilifeform: i.e. - wot.
mircea_popescu: and a shitty version, beyond primitive, yet it still worked.
mircea_popescu: the extreme power of this idea is evidenced by how effectual it is even when poorly implemented.
mircea_popescu: exactly like gunpowder is impressive even without a fine 1850 hovitzer
asciilifeform: someone probably wonders 'wtf, why fountain code'. answer: getting rid of tcp.
asciilifeform: so communication can be maximally stateless
mircea_popescu: aside of which, friday some derp was going on about what "his life is dedicated to" and in the crowd hysteria i told em my life is dedicated to excluding people.
mircea_popescu: totally ruined the moment for 'em. idiots.
mircea_popescu: there is however no higher purpose.
asciilifeform: here's a very rough description of above experiment. to start a transmission a --> b, 'a' sends a hello (udp) packet, which consists of an ephemeral rsa key, hash and length of (coming) payload, and all of the preceding signed with his wot key. this fits handily below the traditional 576 byte mtu.
mircea_popescu: why do you want to preserve the fucking magic numbers
asciilifeform: what follows is the payload, divided into K gibblets, each below udp mtu in size, each signed with ephemeral key. the gibblets are coded using fountain code (e.g. 'raptor') and you need N of K - in any order - to reassemble.
asciilifeform: fucking magic numbers << mircea_popescu wants to buy everyone on the planet a new nic and lay own oceanic fibers, launch own satellites, etc. ? sure, why not.
mircea_popescu grumbles.
asciilifeform: but if working with existing planet, have to swallow some very basic dirt like udp.
mircea_popescu: wqasn't the actuyal max 64kb anyway ?
asciilifeform: max. 576 is max that won't fragment.
asciilifeform: (consult literature)
mircea_popescu: all this shit is starting to come back to me
mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies
asciilifeform: at any rate, tiny packets plus fountain code plus each one is signed, will work great with transmission media other than internet (say, shortwave)
asciilifeform: and any other slow, noisy channel.
decimation: absolutely
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that david mackay book I recommended? He has a chapter on fountain codes
asciilifeform: not a bad intro.
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies << This is how Qntra's taking over reddit.
decimation: he also wrote a book on renewable resources from Herr McCarthy's point of view
decimation: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense"
decimation: re: ntp amplification << the thing is, ntp tends to run on actual servers people might care about, so they might respond to notices
mircea_popescu: decimation still.
asciilifeform: decimation: nope. iirc, it mostly uses misconfigured tv boxes
asciilifeform: set to serve up ntp for no particular reason.
asciilifeform: d3m0cr4cy!
asciilifeform: all packets were created equal...
decimation: I've actually spent some time reading the ntp source code
decimation: it's a mess
decimation: I managed to get that pci card with the onboard ocxo working with a slightly custom ntp driver
asciilifeform: to finish the earlier thread: machine on the other end of the link (destination) decides whether to keep packet and attempt payload reassembly based on simple criteria: 1) is it a hello from a wot-blessed (from his pov) key 2) is it signed by an ephemeral key from one such 'hello' received recently.
asciilifeform: anything else gets insta-dropped.
asciilifeform: i've deliberately described only a point-to-point link. routing with multiple hops is left as an exercise for the reader!
thestringpuller: that seems like a huge packet though ~_~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the important part isn't even trhere, the important part is that the machine WONT ROUTE
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't like the sig
asciilifeform: nope. every single one below udp mtu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did just say this.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how many more bytes would GPG sig add to packet? (i assume binary signatures?)
mircea_popescu: and i'd kinda like to see this implemented right by sane people this decader
mircea_popescu: because the telcos WILL do a mickey mouse or should i say microsoft version of it
decimation: asciilifeform: why bother with the emphemeral key? wouldn't a signed blob (however you do the error coding) be good enough?
asciilifeform: decimation is a winner
asciilifeform: the ephemeral key is absolutely necessary.
asciilifeform: can anyone tell me why?
asciilifeform: i left it as an exercise.
decimation: well, I guess if you didn't have it, you would have to store all of the irrelvant derpage until you could check it
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu can tell us why ephemeral key is a must
mircea_popescu: replay attacks for one thing come to mind
asciilifeform: nah, that's what the nonce (see, i left out details i consider profanely obvious) is for
mircea_popescu: isn't fixed sig + nonce equivalent to ephemereal sig ?
asciilifeform: rot13: boivbhfyl, bayl rcurzreny xrlf znl fvta cnlybnqf orpnhfr jbg xrl yvirf va ryrpgevpnyyl vfbyngrq qrivpr naq vf abg npprffvoyr gb lbhe pbzchgre jvgubhg znahny gevttre chyy!
asciilifeform: the riddle is not difficult.
mircea_popescu: but for that you need the cardano.
decimation: oh duh
asciilifeform: right-o.
asciilifeform: just like to take analysis you gotta pass arithmetic.
decimation: well, it need not be a per-session ephemeral key in that case
asciilifeform: ruthlessly cumulative game.
asciilifeform: decimation: i deliberately oversimplified things here.
asciilifeform: perhaps will live to regret.
asciilifeform: wanted to be sure to hammer in the point.
asciilifeform: a different kind of net is possible.
asciilifeform: (to pervert the liberast slogan 'a different world is possible')
decimation: absolutely. mr. yarvin linked to a vint cerf lecture where herr cerf was talking about global persistant namespaces
asciilifeform: all thieves. ted nelson wrote about it in no uncertain language, in the late '60s.
decimation: interesting
decimation: bitcoin is a kind of global namespace
mircea_popescu: all thieves!~
asciilifeform: or, to be more charitable, f-students
decimation: wasn't kakobrekla explaining about the saturated nature of the torrent 'clouds'?
asciilifeform: the beauty of a wot-enabled net is that you no longer need to think about perverse edge cases quite so much.
asciilifeform: because folks who eagerly push the limits of the permissible - will find themselves dealt out of the game.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like it works here.
asciilifeform: who was it who compared wot to semiconductor? mircea_popescu ?
decimation: actually vint has much to answer for, because of tcp. TCP was a step backwards in networking
asciilifeform: ordinary net - conductor. wotnet - semiconductor.
mircea_popescu: if i didn't i'll take it anyway.
asciilifeform: very closely analogous, actually.
decimation: most of the modems that are now in use on shortwave are designed to turn the natural broadcast medium into a point-to-point link
decimation: which is a fantastic waste if you think about it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What was your earlier maybe project that got supplanted, the resistor?
mircea_popescu: if you think about it sculpture is also fantastic waste of marble
mircea_popescu: kinda how civilisation works. life too.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ???
asciilifeform: resistor?
mircea_popescu: kyristor ?
BingoBoingo: tHAT ONE
BingoBoingo: tHANKS
BingoBoingo: Cuts ceramic tiles.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is a backwards endian
mircea_popescu: he remembers the end ofwords
BingoBoingo: That is very true.
BingoBoingo: Dat ass
BingoBoingo: !up gesella
mircea_popescu: !up gernika
assbot: wow, that leaked James Bond script looks terrible http://t.co/OuIZAs25A1
asciilifeform: the important takeaway from the earlier thread is that 'democracy is mistake, hierarchy is useful concept' is a testable hypothesis with immediate engineering applications.
asciilifeform: mr mold realized this, but for reasons of his own he ended up crapping out a centrally-controlled abortion
asciilifeform: sorta like what a more clever usg would have offered.
mircea_popescu: quite, asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: i've no idea why he did it. for all i know, 'they' threatened to feed his children to shoggoths if he refrained.
mircea_popescu: equalitarianism is a pipe dream, whether it calls itself democracy, socialism or anything else. hierarchy is both good and indispensable. this is factually correct, which means it's practically falsifiable and scientifically approacheable.
asciilifeform: point here was that it has immediate engineering applications. like trigonometry.
asciilifeform: 16th c. trigonometers did not have to beg folks to agree. they were fought over by the chiefs of their time, because artillery.
mircea_popescu: quite :)
mircea_popescu asks nubbins to make him a sign
BingoBoingo: At the time Artillery was cooler than fighter Jets ever were, or John McCain's shit eating grin would be on signs as far south as Rio
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mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# ./bitcoind -rpccommand getblockcount
mod6: 334499
mod6: oops
assbot: George Will speech set to go ahead despite protests to Michigan State trustees | MLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfoHci )
PeterL: At my alma mater, the school president tells students to grow up, lets the guy speak anyway
BingoBoingo: Good for them
mircea_popescu: who is this will fellow ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kind of "conservative" writer. Also writes about baseball.
mircea_popescu: That was the end of the story—until last week, when The College Fix reported that Mahmood's off-campus apartment was vandalized. The four criminals wore hoods and baggy clothing to disguise themselves; less brilliantly, they changed in full view of the apartment complex's security camera. They appear to be women of unclear ages. The video footage is available here.
mircea_popescu: i could have told you itwas women
mircea_popescu: who the fuck else imagines "nobody likes you" is a valid attack lmao
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to admire the stunningly poor opsec.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: apparently he said something about rape which people did not like
mircea_popescu: "Remember: anything a prog/leftist/SJW accuses others of doing, they always are guilty of themselves. Always. And that's why they can't see the contradiction here. Because the projection is a defense mechanism. They can't see the contradiction without realizing some very nasty truths about themselves."
mircea_popescu: comments section's not bad for once.
PeterL: Reason does have some good commentors, they would fit in well here
ben_vulpes: may as well invite The Well, PeterL
ben_vulpes: they have their hole, and it's the best, goddamit
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
ben_vulpes: the well?
ben_vulpes: some earlyish webby forum thing
mircea_popescu: you know what i'd really go for ? happy thursdays or something, wherein participating bars/coffee shops all over the world give free drinks to people in the b-a wot.
PeterL: I think I might have been linked to bitcoin by Reason, back in 2011
mircea_popescu: they can have wireless and we can all be like little fonzies.
assbot: The WELL - the birthplace of the online community movement. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afq5LX )
mircea_popescu: does anyone want to actually administer this project ?
decimation: the women donning disguises in front of the security camera is hilarious
mircea_popescu: ;;google "but i used the juice"
gribble: The burglar with the lemon juice disguise « Mind Hacks: <http://mindhacks.com/2010/02/11/the-burglar-with-the-lemon-juice-disguise/>; Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>; DOT Uses Beet Juice to Battle Icy Roads | NBC 10 Philadelphia: <http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/traffic/transit/Beet-Juice- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: decimation basically, in the 90s the typical aimless, 30something undergrad was perfectly typified by tom green in roadtrip
mircea_popescu: 20 years later, it's a very fat, but in denial about it, very socially inept, but also in denial about it, 30something yo female.
mircea_popescu: pity there's no talented comedienne to mock the type.
decimation: yeah I buy that
decimation: most 'life-long students' I have met were women
asciilifeform: 30something undergrad << lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Concerning number of those
decimation: did we link to the greenpeace idiots in peru?
asciilifeform: (they exist! everyone remembers the 19th c. 'eternal students', who were bequeathed a certain income to live on -while students- by rich family, and so stretched out study for decades - today, it's loan deferment.)
thestringpuller: decimation: I thought greenpeace was norwegian.
assbot: Peru Says Greenpeace Permanently Damaged Nazca Lines - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afs5Us )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
decimation: it's pretty much the same deal as your idiot-'academic'-woman stereotype
decimation: they went to put a sign on the ground near ancient drawings in a desert, to protest the desecration of climate change, and they descrated the lines in the process
decimation: peru is going to throw the idiots in peruvian jail
mircea_popescu: they tried and therefore no one should criticize them.
decimation: that was pretty much their original 'apology' and peru said 'fuck you'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my first stint as a Teaching Assistant I had Late 40's grad students. Retired military or house wives getting almost always already employed by the university looking for their second or third career
asciilifeform: free publicity.
asciilifeform: next they'll smash something notable on purpose.
asciilifeform: herostratus.
asciilifeform: employed by the university << where i live, it gets you (above a certain rank) free tuition. so plenty of takers. but this is a different animal from earlier picture.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform knows his greeks!
mircea_popescu: !s herostratus
assbot: 1 results for 'herostratus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=herostratus
asciilifeform: who doesn't know old herostratus.
decimation: they posted a video of themselves performing the act on youtube, you can clearly see them standing inches from the lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_yk6WlpFyo
assbot: protesta de Greenpeace daña Líneas de Nazca - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfsOoN )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> next they'll smash something notable on purpose. << Locally "preservation Engineers" have done exactly this with "Monks Mound" Thing is just a pile of dirt long lived with stable shape. Engineers come in and in their interventions invent "slumping" A scourge the caused and insist only they can solve for the grant dollars.
decimation: basically the lines are drawn in the black crusted desert, with white sand underneath
decimation: they have been there more-or-less unmolested for 1000 years
assbot: Cahokia Mounds| Explore | Past Research Projects | Monk's Mound Projects | Slump Repair ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aftp9V )
asciilifeform: nothing really new here. recall the millenia of idiots who separated everything that 'was poorly glued down' from the pyramids, etc.
asciilifeform: if peru wants to preserve the line drawings, easy pill:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notably, napoleon
asciilifeform: drop mines.
decimation: asciilifeform: but some of them might have been making an idiotic political statement!
decimation: asciilifeform: or revive east germany's experiments with automated gunfire
asciilifeform: i recommend ПФМ-1.
asciilifeform: aka butterfly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pyramid stone at least had value in being convenient cut rock. This is literally a dirt pile only being molest because of grants by engineers that can't arithmatic.
mats: $proxies
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mats: that's a god damn lie
asciilifeform: unlike the ancient egyptians, modern man does not have to content himself with curses to keep pests out of monuments
asciilifeform: many exquisite tools to choose from.
assbot: Fortifications of the inner German border - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AftR88 )
asciilifeform: decimation: that thing was more or less a shotgun
asciilifeform: no concealment at all
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "changing" << scam! i saw no nudity.
asciilifeform: useless for this purpose.
asciilifeform: you want them everywhere, and sans metal
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not complain about things you should be thankful for.
assbot: NHL needs heightened vigilance with mumps - Sportsnet.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afu3UN )
ben_vulpes: pahaha
asciilifeform: if budget allows, use 'smart' mines that can be temporarily switched off by those having private key
ben_vulpes: i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera.
ben_vulpes: "look ma - no dom!"
decimation: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by 'border fence' with mexico
decimation: I think mr. mold made this point - once you have laid the minefield, it's an easy step to the laser-turrets
asciilifeform: except why.
asciilifeform: from world's cheapest, most resilient weapon, to most ludicrously expensive and finicky
asciilifeform: only an american would suggest it.
decimation: hehe yeah good point
decimation: except minefields don't work well on rocky ledges
mircea_popescu: actually alf has a point. the mine is merely the successor of the caltrop
asciilifeform: disguise as rock in question.
mircea_popescu: definitely the oldest weapon, definitely the most cost effective.
asciilifeform: instead of digging in
asciilifeform: a plastic mine can easily wait for its 'customer' for a century.
mircea_popescu: but did princess diana die in vain ?!
mircea_popescu: (while speeding drunk)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If we were doing turrets, why laser and not rail?
decimation: BingoBoingo: let's not be silly
asciilifeform: if turrets, works differently
asciilifeform: you need exactly one
asciilifeform: (far away from the field)
asciilifeform: on the field - sensors.
asciilifeform: basically auto-called artillery strike.
PeterL: motion triggered nuke?
assbot: On Bank of Russia key rate and other measures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfuO0c )
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm just saying if we're shooting... projectiles with immediate injury. Dun want to get owned by a brave idiot wearing tin foil
asciilifeform: turrets kept in some remote pisshole, individually, is an idiot nonstarter
asciilifeform: (go leave, e.g., rifle, outdoors for a decade. then fire.)
mircea_popescu: o look at that, ruble crossed 60
mats: Chinese did it just fine. muskets though.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker -currency RUB
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --currency all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCALL ticker | Best bid: 38418.016095, Best ask: 38454.067135, Bid-ask spread: 36.05104, Last trade: 38454.067135, 24 hour volume: 9730.55800460, 24 hour low: 38340.28104, 24 hour high: 39992.995905, 24 hour vwap: 39354.7220805
decimation: yeah 'auto-artillery' would be most cost effective
decimation: hell, one could combine mines and artillery with cluster bombs
ben_vulpes: self-steering for max efficacy
decimation: actually that would be particularly devious - a shell that one could hear being dropped, which would scatter mines everywhere - arming after a few seconds of settling
mats: ;;ticker --currency RUB
gribble: Bitstamp BTCRUB ticker | Best bid: 22345.9184, Best ask: 22380.637375, Bid-ask spread: 34.71897, Last trade: 22379.9823, 24 hour volume: 9755.85037265, 24 hour low: 22293.5124, 24 hour high: 23254.507425, 24 hour vwap: 22881.8278929
BingoBoingo: And Bitcoin climbs, the dollars simply does not yet know!
decimation: this reminds me of B grade scifi movie - Screamers - based on a phillip k dick story
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
gribble: 65.5295
decimation: mats: that is neat, I didn't know gribble could do that
undata: you know technically one can climb in either direction
undata: sideways even
mats: nobody in b-a did, i looked in logs before attempting
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency RUB --last]
gribble: 0.0152617000008
decimation: ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency EUR --last]
gribble: 1.24517494708
decimation: so many weird linkages with oil, stocks, etc
mats: gribble is a cool dude
mats: >Russia will write off $865 million of Uzbekistan’s debt leaving a balance of $25 million to repay to Moscow
cazalla: mats, he doesn't afraid of anyone eh
mats: #econometrics, actually interesting when moriarty isn't around
mircea_popescu: is that the scammer guy that kept spamming here ?
decimation: he was spamming here for awhile
ben_vulpes: the same
assbot: 10 countries, which Russia has written off most debts | Russian news and facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAwcLv )
decimation: what was his scam? I recall he claimed that he had 'made it big' on early bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Lemme dig up the latest buttcointalk drama on the moriarity scammer
mats: his followers claim he is not the same as the bitcointalk scammer
assbot: MoriartyBitcoin is also Envrin and BlackLilac Financial ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAwodJ )
mircea_popescu: decimation was linked here few days ago, some "mixer" thing stole however many btcs
BingoBoingo: mats: And Bill Cosby claimed he was a clean cut saint who wasn't in it for the pussy.
mats: the guy talks a lot without much substance and im not inclined to believe his claims at any rate
BingoBoingo: mats: Is it one or two #'s
mats: 2
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude i so don't believe the recent cosby dirt...
mats: hes so fatherly n could never be a predator?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were parts where maybe I believe, but yeah the string of inconsistent broke people kinda kills the thing as a movement.
decimation: this ledgerX thing is amusing. bezzle's gotta bezzle
BingoBoingo: mats: So apparently I am banned from that channel
mats: i learned today naive cold boot attacks are actually pretty unlikely to work, due to modern memory controllers causing a lot of data to appear to be garbage
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals
mats: BingoBoingo: bummer. its been p quiet, those links were the most interesting things in two days
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah how the hell are they going to settle their 'physical' bitcoin swaps?
BingoBoingo: mats: Well I called him a spammer when he wouldn't stop PM spamming.
ben_vulpes: all clients pacified
ben_vulpes: praise satoshi's spirit
BingoBoingo: decimation: In USD
BingoBoingo: Basically they want to run a USD to USD dice game
decimation: likbez!
asciilifeform: mats: nobody reads using standard pc.
asciilifeform: mats: dedicated gadget is sold for the purpose. even comes with a bottle of (spray) freon.
BingoBoingo: This ^ Kit is cheaper than a typical 'netbook'
mircea_popescu: mats im not so convinced of that theory.
mircea_popescu: nm apparently im too late lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
ben_vulpes: i'm at a loss where to go with provisioning, deployments and cluster mutatino
ben_vulpes: mutation*
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i run (small) clusters for clients.
asciilifeform: but now, at a loss as to how ?
asciilifeform: amnesia ?
decimation: ben_vulpes: do you use ec2 vm's?
mircea_popescu: weren't you all into puppet/docker/we ?
ben_vulpes: i wrote a thing that handles turning standard piles of software into running software on ec2 with docker for environment isolation
ben_vulpes: but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash.
mircea_popescu: move on to perl ?
ben_vulpes: it's *great* at immutable infrastructure. you know - "don't mutate, just stand up a new cluster"
ben_vulpes: you and mod6 with the perl
ben_vulpes: python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf)
ben_vulpes: bash is inadequately expressive/debuggable
decimation: nah, python3 is dead, python2 is what everyone uses
ben_vulpes: decimation: concurrency semantics in py* are finger-crushingly bad.
asciilifeform: afaik everyone able to stomach perl is already using it. and the users know who each other are. kinda like coprophagiacs.
decimation: you mean the threading module?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom where a language having a 'global interpreter lock' gets off calling itself 'concurrent'
decimation: yeah that's a tricky one
ben_vulpes: i don't really care about languages
ben_vulpes: i've only been doing this for like 3 years now and i've already learned that languages are a red herring.
ben_vulpes: the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation.
decimation: isn't that kinda what puppet is?
mircea_popescu: !up cryptonaut420
ben_vulpes: clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd.
mircea_popescu: clearly asm and fortran are left.
decimation: or forth!
ben_vulpes: yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing
decimation: spin your own pci express card
ben_vulpes: i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
decimation: then you are in google's hands
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"?
decimation: yeah I think they were mostly a python shop
decimation: I think van Rossum works there
ben_vulpes: yeah van Rossum was on payroll.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It was in part.
BingoBoingo: Python also benefitted from Math departments that thought "R" was bad branding for a language
ben_vulpes: numpy etc
ben_vulpes: engineering departments use matlab
ben_vulpes: *clearly* superior
ben_vulpes: /sarcasm
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