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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082678 = 8.9292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00600151 = 0.2641 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.32663833 = 6.2061 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.718 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00610127 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00599523 = 0.1259 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoin Block #268361
mircea_popescu: fees = mining reward.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012133 = 1.2133 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00109501 = 0.5475 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: That's a rare sight at the moment
Diablo-D3: is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what?
Namworld: He is, albeit very slowly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4350 @ 0.0001499 = 0.6521 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 303.00000, Best ask: 304.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 303.00000, 24 hour volume: 50925.63231333, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 309.68000, 24 hour vwap: 274.02814
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 7533.4558 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3151930.19296 USD in total. | Data vintage: 210.0132 seconds
Diablo-D3: what the fuck
Diablo-D3: seriously?
BingoBoingo: Apparently
BingoBoingo: Fucking gem chasers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.71481943 = 11.4371 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: I guess it also looks like the Inputs.io coins aren't being dumped right away like the Pirateat40 ones were.
BingoBoingo: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.076579 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00215745226202 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.90000, Best ask: 306.88000, Bid-ask spread: 5.98000, Last trade: 306.88000, 24 hour volume: 59913.45566826, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 310.00000, 24 hour vwap: 277.46977
bitesak: ;;asks 500
gribble: There are currently 6648.9972 bitcoins offered at or under 500.0 USD, worth 2446291.50608 USD in total. | Data vintage: 99.0861 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 9001
gribble: There are currently 10854.036 bitcoins offered at or under 9001.0 USD, worth 10405638.0799 USD in total. | Data vintage: 135.3452 seconds
bitesak: ;;asks 380
gribble: There are currently 4253.2816 bitcoins offered at or under 380.0 USD, worth 1416665.99834 USD in total. | Data vintage: 158.9018 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0024489 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 180 @ 0.00109501 = 0.1971 BTC [-]
virtuals: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.00000, Best ask: 310.98740, Bid-ask spread: 0.98740, Last trade: 311.00000, 24 hour volume: 61529.88981591, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 311.74361, 24 hour vwap: 278.43237
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
bitesak: seems it going to be a volatile month_
Diablo-D3: batten down the hatches
BingoBoingo: bitesak: Might be several. mircea_popescu is going to be pissed if this shit goes to 1000 while he's sleeping...
b0n1: is there a good and trustworthy source of creating a safe cold wallet
b0n1: meaning to extract the private key in a way it cant be stolen directly
bitesak: do it a on a computer that has never been connected to the internet
b0n1: if the drive breaks its gone...
bitesak: you can write it out on paper
b0n1: yeah thats actually what i had in mind
b0n1: is there a good source to read the necessary steps about doing that?
BingoBoingo: b0n1: Get an old computer... Something with an intel 386 or motorola 68030... NEver connect it to the internet and force bitcoind to compile on it...
jurov: orly
b0n1: BingoBoingo, but its too dangerous without a backup that the drive breaks sometimes
b0n1: i think the paperwallet is a nice idea
b0n1: but i only found sources that print you the private key online (wtf?)
jurov: so get the parallel dotmatrix printer and print them
b0n1: yeah I am asking for a good source to exactly that
bitesak: there is that site where you can download the page and run it on an offline computer but I am in no position to suggest that is a wise method
bitesak: and testing the keys with small amounts is probably a good idea first
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.00000, Best ask: 321.39999, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 321.00000, 24 hour volume: 62963.98772207, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 321.00000, 24 hour vwap: 279.54595
bitesak: BingoBoingo: the current order book is rather thin to 1'000
BingoBoingo: bitesak: Indeed. Too many mother fucking gem chasers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00109371 = 1.0937 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [-]
bitesak: that and maybe a sizeable amount of bitcoins have left the exchanges in fear of losing access to them. that's what I did a year ago at least
BingoBoingo: Well, might make sense. Seeing how web wallets are having a rough time of late.
bitesak: right, like inputs.io "Cold storage system protects coins against server compromise" and 4'100 gone through email reset is as if we were 2 years ago
jurov: well, with clowns like luke-jr focus on startup times instead of something useful for airgapped machines/cold storage
jurov: unencrypted wallets fiasco is bound to repeat itself
bitesak: jurov: are there planned updates to coinbr ? I finally got round to adding the 2fa for withdrawal, but it seems that if I had access to someone elses coinbr acct I could rather easily/quickly buy some in the money options, and sell them at a slight discount to my main coinbr acct and exercise them. Is this correct?
jurov: whaty?
jurov: it can be done with one account altogether, too
ThickAsThieves: [02:20] <Diablo-D3> is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what? <<<< one or two times per week
bitesak: not if there is the 2fa enabled requiring signuature to withdraw coins
ThickAsThieves: looks like we're running out of bitcoins for sale
ozbot: Gox | Buy: $306.00 Sell: $307.58 Last: $306.00 High: $321.52 Low: $255.55
ozbot: Bitstamp | API Error
ozbot: Coinbase | Buy: $281.79
ozbot: Weex | Buy: $66.00 Sell: $156.00 Last: $156.00
jurov: ah, you have in mind how to *steal* from some other unprotected account?
bitesak: yes,
bitesak: and how relevant the current 2fa system is
bitesak: as it seems in my humble understanding, it can rather easily and quickly be circumvented
bitesak: more speficially, how to steal from a protected (as in 2fa bitcoin signature for withdrawals) account
bitesak: specifically
jurov: um, that's true. should add 2fa to orders.
bitesak: this is in all humility as I am no expert..
jurov: np, it's really appreciated.
bitesak: despite the hassle, maybe a 2fa to login from the start would still allow for convenience in placing and cancelling
bitesak: orders
jurov: no, that won't protect from session hijacking or xss(although i hope there's no xss)
bitesak: i'm all for 2fa on all orders and withdraws
jurov: okay
bitesak: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 9739.3209 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3987139.62192 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00082714 = 9.7603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14566 @ 0.00082533 = 12.0218 BTC [-] {2}
taub: man
taub: i'm quite unslettled by this rise
taub: especially since i failed to like
taub: make the big swing
taub: hope it crashes soon again :(
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above 750 USD
mircea_popescu: 100:1 it'll go over 750
mircea_popescu: (by spring)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00571173 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: b0n1 : you can have local backups in the shape of 2 or 6 or w/e drives.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, if you also put gpg on the system you can then go gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourkey and put the result in an email to yourself
mircea_popescu: or write it on a wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i guess you were right, whoever got those options made out ok.
taub: ...
taub: look at those btcn numbers
taub: they understand a thing or two about marketing their exchange
taub: first you have to become relevant = liquidity
taub: once you're relevant you can jack up the fees becuse people will pay for liquidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8630 @ 0.00011988 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {19}
mircea_popescu: that sounds well stupid.
taub: ?
taub: volume wise they overtook mtgox
taub: because they have 0% fees right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: taub this jacking up is what ebay did for instance
mircea_popescu: it's just bad business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00571 = 0.1199 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4250 @ 0.000159 = 0.6758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1382 @ 0.00200035 = 2.7645 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 75 @ 0.0480095 = 3.6007 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5210 @ 0.00162311 = 8.4564 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574999 = 1.725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 585 @ 0.04501336 = 26.3328 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63000666 = 1.89 BTC [-] {3}
taub: oh jackig up, yea but i mean compared to it being at zero right now
taub: they establish themselves as big players by letting trading happen for free
taub: then they can start charging (hopefully modest) rates
bitesak_: competing on price is not a good indicator.
mircea_popescu: taub a ok. yeah, it's all a quest to respect your market basically.
mircea_popescu: bitesak_ well to a degree their market is a commodified or at least commodifiable one, so price competition will be a part.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
ozbot: The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
random_cat_: hey, mircea_popescu
random_cat_: have you recently renewed a claim of 'scammer' on icbit?
mircea_popescu: i've recently been arguing with idiots coming in here to derp.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea wtf tycho is doing these days, haven't used the thing in a year.
random_cat_: i participate there. a claim was made that you had never backed off from 'scammer' to 'maybe not a scammer' (or perhaps the claim was stronger... that you had reasserted the whole thing was a fraud)
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is suspicious.
mircea_popescu: it is factual the site was run as a scam in 2012.
mircea_popescu: it is also factual the admins never admitted wrongdoing, but changed their code at that time.
mircea_popescu: whether they have since reverted or not to the scammy model is anyone's guess.
random_cat_: i'm dubious on 'factual' but in agreement on 'suspicious'
mircea_popescu: that guess will have to be made by the anyone, rather than simply be defaulted by anon shills pushing their "4 mo experience"
firedrops: mircea_popescu, that torrent hashing protocol idea.... as far as Ideas go, it's excellent. I can't comment on practicallity. but I love the idea.
mircea_popescu: random_cat_ well this is exactly what i'm saying. i'm doing more in terms of offering data and less in terms of offering judgements. even if i do some of the former.
mircea_popescu: firedrops im really curious what the F would be. i can't think of anything, even if perhaps some sort of pailler
random_cat_: has ukto shown face about here recently (too lazy to scroll back)?
mircea_popescu: paillier*
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ukto
gribble: ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Ukto> nah, not right.
random_cat_: ty ;)
firedrops: just sent the article to a close friend/cmptr scientist guy.. trying to get him to start his own project... he's too smart to work for ATT.
taub: mircea_popescu: i dont get whats the point of hashing each piece of the torrent
mircea_popescu: firedrops not sure if there's money in this, but it definitely is fame.
random_cat_: i fear ima get burnt on his shutdown
firedrops: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 305.14485, Best ask: 305.67747, Bid-ask spread: 0.53262, Last trade: 305.11000, 24 hour volume: 73065.75169825, 24 hour low: 256.60000, 24 hour high: 321.51736, 24 hour vwap: 286.03216
firedrops: well shit
firedrops: it broke $300
taub: on mtgox
taub: that means not much
random_cat_: good morning
taub: btce and bitstamp both below 280
taub: 290~
taub: mtgox high today 320 lel
firedrops: anyone have a diagnosis for why gox is so high? I haven't touched them in months..
taub: i'd say withdrawl problems, people leaving for another exchange etc
random_cat_: yeah, well... they both saw 290
firedrops: oh yeah, forgot about them holding ppls money.. dur.
random_cat_: 3 points isn't worth the arb
chatcart: ;;market buy 20000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16465.37 bitcoins, for a total of 6675396989.6532 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 191.9064 seconds
taub: btcn stopped updating at bitcoincharts.com heh
truffles: hi taub, when do u think the crash will begin?
taub: when it happens
random_cat_: not a moment sooner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
taub: no:>
random_cat: damn. was hoping for some hft action :D
mircea_popescu: firedrops because it doesn't actually pay out fiat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: it pays alright
kakobrekla: but they charge 5%
kakobrekla: to make it work.
random_cat: ;;market sell 20000
gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 5025556.4619 USD and would take the last price down to 210.9971 USD, resulting in an average price of 251.2778 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
firedrops: who has the best gold for btc service?
random_cat: i'll reccommend me for the occasional trade; what is your locale, firedrops?
random_cat: (my record of gold trades for btc consists of 0 btc of 0 g of gold)
ozbot: Twitter / BitcoinOracle: parabolic rise expected | #bitcoin
random_cat: expected?
kleeck: Well if he says so...
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone has a reddit account be a sweetheart and put that torrent article up
mircea_popescu: you never know where the genius kid with the f function springs up
kleeck: Which article is that?
ozbot: The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
truffles: useful articles obv
mircea_popescu: look at that, ecb cut rates.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32500001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was your panacea thing long eur ?
nubbins`: hey folks
nubbins`: great day to hold btc
nubbins`: innit?
truffles: hi, nope
kakobrekla: id argue it smart
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno man. maybe for the people in the bitcoin top 500 it would be, but alas poor us...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: oh, you!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if you actually saw that one coming you're a better fx trader than me
mircea_popescu: course im not much of one, jus' sayin'.
kakobrekla: well in a sense the machine did.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
nubbins`: "Suppose your computer is infected with a worm or virus. You want to disinfect it. What do you do? You boot it up from original write-protected install media. Sure, you have a copy of the operating system on the drive already, but you can't use that copy - it's the wrong Colour."
mircea_popescu: it's a good write-up.
nubbins`: yeah, it actually is. however, correct me if i'm wrong, but if you've got a virus, your OS is not only the wrong colour, but also consists of different bits
mircea_popescu: the latter is not trivial to verify.
nubbins`: oh goodness no
nubbins`: better OS analogy would be "geniune" windows vs. a pirated version, perhaps
nubbins`: genuine = correct color
joecool: genuine™
nubbins`: a friend of mine recently started a CS degree, and posted about that Paranoia game last week
truffles: he's usually wrong about everything : D
truffles: obv feels knows everything though
nubbins`: "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
nubbins`: ^ that must burn
kleeck: haha
nubbins`: so, while i'm glad that putting a ton of btc into casascius coins prevented me from foolishly gambling them on "investments", i'm increasingly wary of their ability to hold their btc value long-term
mircea_popescu: well the truth is that other than that article he mostly writes crud
mircea_popescu: japanese fonts and w/e.
nubbins`: oh, lame
nubbins`: although the roman glyphs in Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std are particularly attractive
mircea_popescu: also in the news, saudi arabia nao has nuclear weapons
mircea_popescu: curious if the us is going to start an invasion now >D
nubbins`: you're not curious about that at all ;)
mircea_popescu: you're not going to tell me that the rogue us government has actually been lieing about its motives all along
KRS-1: Can someone recommend a good guide for me so I can trade cash for BTC with someone I don't know? I want to go through some kind of intermediary like escrow.
ozbot: saudi skaters - YouTube
nubbins`: ^ turn down volume before clicking
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 trading, in person you mean ?
KRS-1: no..i'm on one side of the US, this other fellow from IRC is on the other side.
mircea_popescu: well, usually you check the wot.
KRS-1: $5K max probably.
KRS-1: I was thinking of that but have no idea how to use it..i understand its 3 way gpg
nubbins`: eh, not so much
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 you go like this :
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
joecool: nubbins`: i think its just saudis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiK7ciFttFI
mircea_popescu: then once they identify you can gettrust mircea_popescu
joecool: !ident mircea_popescu
KRS-1: hmm ok im reading the guide
joecool: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
joecool: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.
kakobrekla: that is if you find someone in the otc you can deal with in the first place
kakobrekla: offerings are not too abundant imo
KRS-1: I have already found someone
nubbins`: lot of children trading lunch money
KRS-1: not registered in wot
mircea_popescu: well then i would say you haven't found someone.
KRS-1: maybe or it means he hasnt registered like i havent yet either
nubbins`: maybe
nubbins`: either way
kakobrekla: thats as good as nothing
joecool: <nubbins`> lot of children trading lunch money < danieldaniel?
nubbins`: you really gonna trust them with $5k?
KRS-1: is this just backed up by ratings? nothing to enforce a fair trade?
mircea_popescu: maybe this is a good time to get registered then.
joecool: it's not lunch money, that 14 year old steals his parents CC's
nubbins`: joecool: can't keep track of them all. probably.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 well, you can ask someone you trust to escrow for you, but i dunno who would want to escrow fiat.
KRS-1: thought there was a 3 way gpg key that keeps everything locked up until mutual agreement has been made
nubbins`: joecool: i actually remember that guy's nick, he posted "i have come to the realization that i am poor" or something yesterday
nubbins`: i lel'd
nubbins`: of course you're poor, you're a child
joecool: well he's 14
KRS-1: ok thanks guys for your input i'm sure i'll figure something out
nubbins`: KRS-1: i believe there is some sort of escrow-type transaction you can do if you involve a third party. not sure the details, and then you've gotta trust the escrow as well
joecool: nubbins`: the best was when he loaned money to a heroin addict :)
nubbins`: "loaned"
kakobrekla: i wonder if satoshi square can provide over 100btc volume
joecool: yeah i dunno what's more wrong with that picture
KRS-1: damn heh BTC is in dire need of money services
truffles: nubbins` tldr?
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 the first step would be, of course, to get in the wot already.
nubbins`: inorite?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mjr's thing ?
KRS-1: in progress
mircea_popescu: i haven't heard anything of it for a while
mircea_popescu: is it flash in the pan mode ?
kakobrekla: dunno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6275 = 2.51 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.00589999 = 0.8319 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: hm, anyone ever use .par files before?
nubbins`: (in the context of repairing bad .rar files)
pankkake: a long time ago. something isn't working?
firedrops: newsbin used to unpar them for me. Should be a single. .RAR in there somewhere.
firedrops: try that one?
firedrops: or repair the failing .par
joecool: par2repair derp.par2
joecool: p.simple
pankkake: " Long-term value of one bitcoin (10 years) " => someone's doing a 10 year bet? that's also betting bitbet will be around in 10 years :)
joecool: it'll tell you if you have enough parity to do it
nubbins`: oh, i'm not having any problems
nubbins`: was just wondering if one could reconstruct a rar using ONLY pars
truffles: joecool can they temp close and reopen?
nubbins`: can't find any solid info on the limitations in this regard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
KRS-1: <gribble> Request successful for user KRS-1
nubbins`: implication being that parity-checks generally aren't considered to infringe on copyrights
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1304 @ 0.00109214 = 1.4242 BTC [-] {10}
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
pankkake: in theory yes, you can brute force anything (ask miners!)
pankkake: I guess you could find a practical enough ratio of missing data
pankkake: it would be very expensive to inspect files
nubbins`: well, i mean, in general you need something to check parity against, y'know?
nubbins`: like, if you had one rar out of 100 and you had 99 pars, would you be able to reconstruct everything?
pankkake: I don't know the details enough but I would think not
nubbins`: yeah. really hard to find concrete info on the limitations
kakobrekla: speaking of that 10 year bet, the bets are limited to 1 year afaik, the bet shall not pass!
nubbins`: YOU SHALL NOT PASS
pankkake: I thought so. I tried to create some "in 2014" bets but the interface wouldn't let me
pankkake: though it was only the js, I didn't try to submit
kakobrekla: everything is checked by mods so even if it goes through...
pankkake: so I'll wait to create those :)
pankkake: yeah, but I was surprised it wasn't rejected for that reason
kakobrekla: wait?
kakobrekla: me too!
pankkake: in other news my bitbet performance has quickly dropped :( perhaps I could count out my "hedge" bets but…
kakobrekla: i was thinking
kakobrekla: someone should make some "track this person" interfuck
nubbins`: so we took these idiots to court, and they lost, but when i was trying to file an order with the sheriff's office today, i learned that three of them just refused delivery of the court decision, so now i have to wait until some other sort of deadline has passed
nubbins`: it never ends
kakobrekla: so you find someone who makes good bets and just copy the motherfucker
KRS-1: <gribble> Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user KRS-1
pankkake: well I do that now with the stats
nubbins`: ;;gettrust KRS-1
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS-1!~chris@38.103.148.98. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user KRS-1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=KRS-1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS-1 | Rated since: never
nubbins`: would not trade with
KRS-1: hah
KRS-1: I have candy
nubbins`: is that a euphemism?
truffles: r u sharing?
pankkake: on one bet I had a "omg who is stupid enough to bet this" moment, clicked stats, and the guy was losing most of his bet, so… :)
pankkake: bets
kakobrekla: social betting at its finest
kakobrekla: or socially assisted
nubbins`: "click here to share your poor decisions with friends"
kakobrekla: to be more exact
kakobrekla: well i did found some heavy earners
kakobrekla: there are a few.
nubbins`: yeah, some of the guys betting on sports know what they're doing
nubbins`: which reminds me, "casino bitcoin" is doing another IPO on havelock this coming monday
KRS-1: ^^ attractive
kakobrekla: another ?
nubbins`: yeah
KRS-1: 3 more coming i think too
nubbins`: cheaper than the first
nubbins`: pretty lelly
pankkake: kakobrekla: there is http://predictionbook.com/
kakobrekla: was dat
pankkake: some sort of social betting
kakobrekla: i dont understand the site
kakobrekla: and it want me to register
pankkake: the guys using it love bets in general (lesswrong/overcomingbias community)
pankkake: actually I told one of them about bitbet!
nubbins`: i think its like bitbet
nubbins`: but instead of winning money
nubbins`: you win internet points
pankkake: well you have to register, because there would be no shame in losing otherwise
kakobrekla: well its seems more dead than bitbet
kakobrekla: not that bb is dead in any way
pankkake: "Bitcoin without Satoshi is like Apple without Jobs" :|
kakobrekla: theres 2 services that could be built on top of it
kakobrekla: im saying this here cause i know theres a bunch of you people here that can code and do nothing
uglux: naah bitcoin is paypal without jobs :>
pankkake: eh :)
pankkake: what on top of what?
kakobrekla: nubbins` you said you are out of it
kakobrekla: on top of bb
nubbins`: yes, however, i *can* code ;)
nubbins`: got promoted to senior programmer/analyst 6 months before i retired!
Namworld: Did you retire because you were getting old or because of BTC?
pankkake: I can code but have daily headaches :/ though finally made some progress today… at least I hope
nubbins`: because it was no fun and each morning it was a struggle to get out of bed and face the day
joecool: baw
nubbins`: anti-baw, actually
nubbins`: i sucked it up and quit, never been happier.
pankkake: I like programming, but not for other people
nubbins`: although technically we're all getting old
nubbins`: aren't we?
dexX7: lol :D
pankkake: so what kind of services are you thinking of, or is it a secret? :p
kakobrekla: not a secreat at all, i just told you about one
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin will hit $300 before Christmas
kakobrekla: make a site when one can login, deposit coins and set the output addresses that he wants to follow with bets
kakobrekla: then you do the magic and take a cut
kakobrekla: the other is you can make a maket where people sell or buy their positions from the bets table
kakobrekla: also take a cut.
pankkake: ooh, ok. I didn't understand it that way :)
kakobrekla: in the second case, you just make it so they use winning address that you provide to them
kakobrekla: once the bet is confirmed you can accredit it to their account on your site
kakobrekla: simple really.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00224945 = 0.198 BTC [+]
nubbins`: lel @ that 750usd bet
nubbins`: imagine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 494 @ 0.00109 = 0.5385 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i got another "you just sold a bunch of shit for below cost" email from coingig.
nubbins`: you'd think that for a "sell shit for btc" website, they'd, you know, STORE THE PRICE OF ITEMS IN BTC
kakobrekla: what is coin gig
nubbins`: it's like bitmit, but shitty
nubbins`: well. shittier
nubbins`: you set item price at, say, 1 btc
nubbins`: it saves the current usd equivalent of 1 btc
nubbins`: and then auto-adjusts the btc price as the rate changes
bitesak_: kakobrekla: what you hinted at, is it such as described here: http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/#comment-92136 ?
the20year1: but bitcoin is what matters, who cares about USD?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago. <<< yes and fixing that was reasonable i don't think they should be riced further to detriment of other stuff.
jurov: *but i don't think
kakobrekla: bitesak_ he describes a market maker which defo should help with such setup i described
bitesak_: indeed, specifically you are pointing to the ability of getting out of your bet before settlement?
kakobrekla: well the ability to trade a position
kakobrekla: mening one can get out early or get in late
firedrops: pardon my ignorance, but isn't tradehill shutterred right now? where would one hedge with bitbet currently?
kakobrekla: tradehill, thats kenna scammy exchange
kakobrekla: not a betting site
kakobrekla: or did he switch to something else again
firedrops: so where do you trade contracts?
the20year1: newspapers
kakobrekla: obvioulsy on the PREMIER predictions market predictious.com
firedrops: basically, does that trilema article system work against a tradehill alternative?
firedrops: ha, I haven't investiaged, but your attitude tells me they are not premier :)
kakobrekla: firedrops tradehill is like mtgox, bitstamp...
kakobrekla: kinda thing.
kakobrekla: not a betting site
kakobrekla: but yeah intrade is down
kakobrekla: im not aware of good alternatives
kakobrekla: except bb.
firedrops: thanks kako, a bunch of forums ppl say cryptoexchange...
kakobrekla: cryptoexchange?
kakobrekla: what about them
firedrops: good question, their site won't load... anywho. bitbet for now. unless someone knows a tradehill alternative?
kakobrekla: ok for the third time, bitbet doesnt do what tradehill does
kakobrekla: for that matter i dunno if tradehill even does anything
kakobrekla: but they are suppose to be btc/usd exchange
kakobrekla: bitbet is a betting site
kakobrekla: nothing to do with dollars
firedrops: gotcha.
kakobrekla: if you are buying or selling btc - bitbet will do you no good
firedrops: nope, I was trying to folow that comment from MP on trilema...
kakobrekla: if you are betting on stuff, tradehill or whatever site will not do you any good
firedrops: about hedging..
kakobrekla: but he is not talking about heding btcusd
kakobrekla: you could use mpex options for that
firedrops: o yeah.
imsaguy: thank you
imsaguy: because if you didn't, I was about to.
imsaguy: holy balls have people gone stupid.
firedrops: that's would assume knowledge at some point...
kakobrekla: holly balls have i gone patient.
kakobrekla: since teh forum banned me i reckon
firedrops: that too, thanks btw.
kakobrekla: i get less pissy.
imsaguy: why'd you get banned?
imsaguy: scammer?
imsaguy: oh wait, they don't ban the scammers
imsaguy: just label them and let them keep coming back
imsaguy: why'd they ban you?
pankkake: for having a slanderous soul
kakobrekla: imsaguy they dont ban nor tag them anymore
kakobrekla: just honest ppl liek me!
kakobrekla: i pissed the morning piss on garr for a week and he gets all butthurt and calls his shill to the rescue. the rest is clear.
imsaguy: what?
imsaguy: you got banned for calling someone out?
imsaguy: please have a link handy
imsaguy: I gotta read this
kakobrekla: its, as tortila would say, de-leeted
imsaguy: woah
imsaguy: so they banned you and didn't keep the thread?
kakobrekla: it was in his cog thread
kakobrekla: and yes i was deleted
imsaguy: heh
kakobrekla: and banned
imsaguy: oh wel
pankkake: you were the cog in the machine!
imsaguy: what was garr's deal?
kakobrekla: shill
kakobrekla: selfshill
kakobrekla: selfacutionshill
kakobrekla: also general preorder scamishness
kakobrekla: i just hate all the fuckin pretending.
imsaguy: awesome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00082714 = 4.4252 BTC [+]
chaang-noi: #mtgox is on fire... cant get out fiat, cant get out BTC cuz double spends... lol
chaang-noi: kako you got banned too?
chaang-noi: kakobrekla you got banned from bitcointalk.org?
ozbot: [Photo] First of 2013 Casascius Silver Coins Now Available For Sale
nubbins`: customer service win
nubbins`: i hate to put the screws to the guy, but it's gotten ridiculous
chaang-noi: i have one of them rolls :)
nubbins`: i'll sell you some of mine for the right price ;)
chaang-noi: im going to start selling some of my casasicus stuff... too much in it
nubbins`: yeah, ditto
chaang-noi: i have over 15400 btc in them all
nubbins`: gotta re-balance
chaang-noi: i mean 1500
nubbins`: the buy market is pretty thin, they're high-ticket items in terms of fiat
chaang-noi: im not in a hurry
dexX7: it's christmas soon, such things are wonderful gifts
nubbins`: yeah, no sense selling at a loss or anything like that
nubbins`: best offers i've gotten so far are like 1% over face value
nubbins`: clowns
nubbins`: i peeled the holo off one just to aggravate people in -otc ;p
dexX7: lol you're mean
nubbins`: so is offering FV for a coin
dexX7: do you have casacius silver coins and if so, for what price do you sell them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1253 BTC [-]
nubbins`: yes i do, and it depends on the coin
nubbins`: the rare ones, i generally don't even bother giving people quotes
kakobrekla: yes chaang-noi
chaang-noi: kako for how long?
kakobrekla: 2 months
chaang-noi: even i got un banned
chaang-noi: oh harsh
chaang-noi: not that you really post much there
ozbot: forever - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12520001 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the thing is someone from the mods told me that badbear was planning a ban attack
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 1724 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.6390% in 10d 22h 3m 34s
kakobrekla: then i pmed badbear and sent him to fuck off
kakobrekla: and then he also got all butthurt
kakobrekla: and new thread was in the mod section "who is leaking this shit"
chaang-noi: hahaha
kakobrekla: cause i caused him great pain while he was just doing his duties
kakobrekla: and this is unacceptable!
kakobrekla: fucktard.
chaang-noi: as you know i trolled theymos
chaang-noi: got banned
kakobrekla: apparently one must poses just the right amounts of scam and shil to be able to sustain on the forum
kakobrekla: my amounts are off.
nubbins`: who owns gribble?
kakobrekla: nanotube
nubbins`: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134201245.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=nubbins` | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins` | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
nubbins`: neither of those 2 links is correct
nubbins`: the ` fucks it up
nubbins`: thanks D:
joecool: ` is the mark of the scammer on OTC
joecool: how much shit did they give you so far? :)
nubbins`: all the shit
kakobrekla: and by shit he means coins.
nubbins`: besides, 'mark of the beast' or not, the functionality is obv broken
kakobrekla: links work for me
nubbins`: ...hm
nubbins`: oh, it's my client doing that, isn't it
nubbins`: it's highlighted up to the `
nubbins`: and then breaks
imsaguy: then use ""
imsaguy: ;;gettrust "nubbins`" imsaguy
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user imsaguy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=imsaguy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=imsaguy | Rated since: Tue Aug 2 19:24:18 2011
kakobrekla: nubbins` cas giving you trouble i see
nubbins`: customer service fail
nubbins`: i hate to call people out publicly, up to the point where i don't hate it at all, y'know what i mean?
kakobrekla: too bad the whole coin thingy is pointless
nubbins`: well, y'know. tell me that 4 months ago :P
kakobrekla: someone here prolly did.
nubbins`: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 35 minutes and 26 seconds
imsaguy: seriously, his prices are crazy
imsaguy: and anyone that has bought them is... dumb.
nubbins`: go fuck yourself
imsaguy: thank you for confirming my statement.
nubbins`: i'm a coin collector; i collect coins
imsaguy: they aren't coins
imsaguy: do you collect car wash tokens?
pankkake: do you have buttcoins?
imsaguy: thats what they are.
nubbins`: imsaguy: i do, indeed, collect tokens
imsaguy: do you collect rocks?
imsaguy: how about leaves?
imsaguy: stds?
nubbins`: ooo lel you got me!
imsaguy: let me guess, you also collected beany babies and pogs
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: don't stop
imsaguy: you're the tard that's collecting, not me
nubbins`: you got me again
nubbins`: man, words hurt ;(
nubbins`: such overwhelming feelings of shame
nubbins`: if only i'd asked some random dickhead for advice!
nubbins`: imsaguy: mind if i send you a PM the next time i need advice on something? you obv know what you're doing
pankkake: are you a hoarder too?
pankkake: I have the hoarder/collector bug
pankkake: though I mostly collect CDs
nubbins`: nah, i do a big purge every few years
nubbins`: fresh start
nubbins`: imsaguy: seriously, you'd be a great mentor
nubbins`: your words imply deep wisdom and knowledge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00082907 = 7.4616 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108802 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
nubbins`: no withdrawing BTC from virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.12259 = 0.3678 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ^ at that rate, CFIG's second IPO on monday is gonna be a tough sell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.625 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00599905 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: CFIG is doing a second IPO?
pankkake: perhaps you mean CBTC
nubbins`: sorry, that's right
nubbins`: so many acronyms
kakobrekla: hey i want to do some ipos too!
nubbins`: kakobrekla: go ahead!
nubbins`: subsequent public offering
kakobrekla: ok ill ipo AIPOC
kakobrekla: amazing ipo company, that is.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: the "c" could stand for consulting
nubbins`: and you just give people advice about IPOs
kakobrekla: like anyone would listen
imsaguy: stupid.
nubbins`: well, that's the thing about advice
ozbot: Actively Disengaged #96 – Theory In Practice | Actively Disengaged
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.006 = 0.162 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i dont find that comic site funny at all
nubbins`: i did the same D:
nubbins`: go (or baduk as i was introduced to it) is fun, but nobody knows how to play
kakobrekla: i played for a while
kakobrekla: was even in the shop looking for a physical version
kakobrekla: and they didnt have it
kakobrekla: then i kinda forgot about it
nubbins`: you need good pieces, plastic won't do
kakobrekla: that was like 5years+ ago
nubbins`: i've got a set of polished stone ones, they weigh a ton
kakobrekla: but yeah noone i know in RL plays it
nubbins`: very satisfying "clack" when you slap em down
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 46 minutes and 13 seconds
nubbins`: oh my
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2489 @ 0.00109499 = 2.7254 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bitbet says 3min
nubbins`: blockchain.info says 47
nubbins`: i guess that's what gribs checks
kakobrekla: 5 block behind
pankkake: it's missing 5 blocks
pankkake: yesterday it was lagging too
nubbins`: tsk tsk
nubbins`: okay, i need to burn some screens, bbl
pankkake: looks like there was an orphaned block
nubbins`: oh and the mailman just dropped off a money order from one of the deadbeats, so woo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1361 @ 0.00109499 = 1.4903 BTC [+]
firedrops: pircea_momescu, you seems familiar, yet foreign...
pircea_momescu: firedrops lurk moar !
firedrops: pircea_momescu
pircea_momescu: firedrops lurk moar !
nubbins`: pircea_momescu
pircea_momescu: nubbins` lurk moar !
firedrops: loverly
nubbins`: ;;echo pircea_momescu
gribble: pircea_momescu
pircea_momescu: gribble lurk moar !
pankkake: ah you found the last feature
pankkake: though I shouldn't make it reply without a question
nubbins`: good call
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 495 @ 0.00109499 = 0.542 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.12373741 = 1.7323 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
jimmybob: Active mining to bring 50th online tommrow. buy buy buy!!!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.006 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: wrong chan dude, #bitcoin-pump is for you
KRS-1: lol wtf
KRS-1: pircea_momescu looks familiary but I can't quite place it..
pircea_momescu: KRS-1 lurk moar !
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1024 @ 0.00108765 = 1.1138 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1953 @ 0.00108626 = 2.1215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.006 = 0.186 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00082653 = 0.6612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082605 = 24.5337 BTC [-] {3}
Rts: Can anyone tell me - is it possible for round eyes to invest in 796??
assbot: 123!
mircea_popescu: Rts what ?
joecool: chinese?
Rts: my apologies. I mean, is it possible for westerners to acquire shares of 796.com?
assbot: 123!
kleeck: LOL
kleeck: "Round eyes"
Rts: :D
joecool: round eyes do not zerg rush
pankkake: it's not korean
joecool: chinese are IRL zerg rushers
joecool: see Great Wall
Rts: or BTC
Rts: or BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 44494 @ 0.00010435 = 4.6429 BTC [-] {18}
joecool: do we have any chinese BTC knockoff yet?
mircea_popescu: joecool ltc.
joecool: didn't think that was distinctly chinese
mircea_popescu: Rts is 796 that yet-another-scammy-exchange-wannabe ?
assbot: 123!
Rts: I believe so, that _Chinese_ wannabe
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as it even sports a us flag, i;m sure it's an equal opportunity fleecer, go ahead.
Rts: No, I think it bars USers in the Prospectus
mircea_popescu: so they went to the trouble of making a us version just for nyah-nyah ? that's comedy.
the20year1: because baring investors works like that
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has been useful in that next time i'm in a bar going to approach a chick it'll be all "hey, roundeyes! fancy a drink ?"
mircea_popescu: it's too weird not to work.
firedrops: okay ppl. I have a coinbr account, HIM account, and finally I have 2btc. yes TWO! <--ballin'.
firedrops: but srsly, what is best investment currently?
the20year1: rentalstarter
firedrops: holy crap I missed rentalstarter entirely.... is it actually a good investment? didn't bitfunder just shutter?
the20year1: I like it, granted with BF closing i'm not sure what we're going to do
the20year1: moreso if we want to take on more investments
mircea_popescu: the20year1 is it yours ?
mircea_popescu: what's the elevator speech of it /
the20year1: Not familiar with the term
the20year1: Googling it
bubbalicious: elevator speech: he is renting out houses in the midwest..
mircea_popescu: ok. tell me what it is in 100 words sort of thing
the20year1: Pitch - We buy property, fix it up and rent it out. Then we refinance via low interest loans and move onto new properties. All properties have to have 20% ROI prior to leverage.
the20year1: Started off with $90k in funding via bitfunder, now have about $185k in assets
bubbalicious: roi in USD..
mircea_popescu: when did you start ?
firedrops: hard to redo a house in btc
firedrops: so you convert all to fiat iimmediately?
mircea_popescu: so basically in july you were worth 900 btc and now you're worth 900 btc ?
mircea_popescu: o no my bad. it's not 200, it's 300. you're now woprth 600 btc.
the20year1: We convert most of it
mircea_popescu: but you can appreciate the point, yes ?
the20year1: Some people want USD denominated projects to hedge against BTC voatility
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00658759 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {4}
the20year1: Sure, and that's the currency risk as always
mircea_popescu: right. well, you're a brave man.
mircea_popescu: i discouraged various similar ventures with the simple fx argument. imo it's yet too soon, even if the business is in principle sound.
mircea_popescu: in that you're a brave man. see you survive a coupla years somehow.
the20year1: Why wouldn't I survive?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00680945 = 0.1021 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: because it is tough to make 100% returns on your work only to have -50% returns in your accounting unit
mircea_popescu: through no fault of your own.
the20year1: My life doesn't depend on BTC fluxuations, nor does the business. If BTC outperforms the company, then the investors get less of a return, if the company outperforms BTC then they're even happier. Regardless for non-cryptos, we'll be outperforming just about everything
mircea_popescu: other people believed their life doesn't depend on btc fluctuations.
mircea_popescu: those other people were broken.
mircea_popescu: anyway, don't get me wrong, i'm not the enemy here.
kakobrekla: >we'll be outperforming just about everything <- even buy and hold (btc?)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well, they'll outperform 777.com at any rate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1585 @ 0.00222909 = 3.5331 BTC [+] {4}
the20year1: Is BTC at current value a bubble or a long term thing? I was told by many, many, many people when we hit $250/btc that it would only go higher
mircea_popescu: well what many people say is not likelier to be true by even more saying it.
bubbalicious: mircea_popescu: doesn't s.nsa have some of the same issues? cardano at 0.35 btc is getting more expensive by the minute.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2608 @ 0.00245484 = 6.4022 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: bubbalicious amusingly, we have the converse advantage : only corp in the world tio be able to announce a price,
mircea_popescu: and then slash it by preorder open
bubbalicious: and then drop it :)
mircea_popescu: this is like sega's wet dream come true
bubbalicious: ok, so you have the converse issue. only an advantage if it keeps skyrocketing.
mircea_popescu: but yes, without some very expert tacking, the fx issue is a big problem for all btc corps.
firedrops: could someone give me the elevator speech for S.NSA?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the20year1, there's good fundamental reasons for the lift. i wouldn't call it a bubble. that's not to say it may not bubble yet. hopefully it won't, but 300 ain't it at anuy rate.
mircea_popescu: firedrops strong crypto in hardware.
mircea_popescu: all the tools one needs to make 100% systems, stuff no mob and no government can crack.
firedrops: that's something I can get behind. time for reading http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA
mircea_popescu: (the "idle afternoon" speech is http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ )
firedrops: thank you
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm persuaded there won't be such a thing as long term btc without such a thing as nsa.
kakobrekla: unless the nsa shuts down.
mircea_popescu: i suspect there's always going to be a pair of those
mircea_popescu: whatever they're called.
firedrops: as long as there is government..
firedrops: So where are the cardonos sold?
mircea_popescu: make no mistake about it, government there will ever be. whether it's the washington mob or the five families mob, it's gonna be something.
mircea_popescu: people need the argumentum ad baculum.
mircea_popescu: firedrops preorders not open yet.
firedrops: prototype?
ozbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the prototype isn't sold :)
firedrops: but it exists, excellent. moar reading, thanks.
nubbins`: you guys have a delivery date in mind for those?
pankkake: someone created a ChinaCoin some months ago
pankkake: it's dead now
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally be in your hands before xmas
mircea_popescu: so ppl can give their gfs stuff this xmas!
nubbins`: oh, nice
mircea_popescu: (look honey, i got you the .35 btc cardano. yet another field in which btc is moar of an advantage)
nubbins`: (thanks sweetie, what's .35 btc in fiat? oh, lel, my goodness)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: silkscreened certificate of some sort would be a nice thing to find inside the box, cough cough
KRS-1: mircea_popescu: your evil counterpart pircea_mopescu was in here earlier lol
mircea_popescu: o they changed ? nice.
bubbalicious: nubbins`: stop trying to cut into the profit margins :)
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: bubbalicious: i could say the same to you
nubbins`: besides, nice packaging makes people feel like they've bought something valuable
mircea_popescu: you know, this dispute between investors and subcontractors is the halmark of a functioning economy.
nubbins`: bubbalicious just doesn't realize what he wants
nubbins`: it's my job to try to show him
nubbins`: oh and if you were wondering, the trick to a good stew is to add some finely chopped potato right at the start
mircea_popescu: fried in suet.
bubbalicious: well, if packaging matters than somebody needs to css nosuchlabs.com
bubbalicious: sprinkle on some bootstrap
bubbalicious: maybe some highcharts
nubbins`: web is dead, print is king
nubbins`: what are you gonna do, hang an XML fragment on your wall?
bubbalicious: there's a jquery function that does that.
bubbalicious: xml -> wall
nubbins`: "sweet, there's a usb stick with some awesome graphics inside the box!"
nubbins`: "a lot of care must have been put into this"
bubbalicious: "it must be secure!" ;)
bubbalicious: ok ok nubs, what's your quote?
nubbins`: i don't know who you are D:
bubbalicious: and i have no authority
bubbalicious: puts me in a good negotiating position
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know romanian cure for headache ?
pankkake: I hope it's a blowjob
nubbins`: that's only a temp fix
pankkake: that's why I need lots of them!
mircea_popescu: it's like this : find two walls 8 inches apart. take a mouthful of milk and go bang your head in between the walls
mircea_popescu: until the milk turns to buttermilk
mircea_popescu: also the blowjob headache cure works FOR THE GIRL
kleeck: I swear there was a CoinTerra user on BTCTalk...
mircea_popescu: there was.
kleeck: I'm trying to find some posts from that user.
nubbins`: perhaps they vanished in a puff of logic
kleeck: there we go
kleeck: caps sensitive...
kleeck: Last post was on 10/31...
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kleeck: So, the last news update by HashFast was a delay due to substrates, but promising that shipping would not be delayed...
mircea_popescu: i still haven't figured out what word they misreplaced with "substrates"
TAT_Investments: pcb boards?
TAT_Investments: plastic casing?
nubbins`: couldn't find the DVD they backed up the schematics to?
mircea_popescu: TAT_Investments the leading hypothesis is that they mean their chip packager fucked up.
mircea_popescu: (to make a chip you take etched silicone/metal wafers and encase them in some plastic)
asciilifeform: (assuming they meant anything at all)
mircea_popescu: so they use like a bga or something ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66998998 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: likely a bga, and can't mount it in-house
asciilifeform: (need xray machine)
asciilifeform: so chances are they're sending away for them to be mounted.
kleeck: So they should've just said, "Hey, we completely fucked up our chips."
asciilifeform: i can't mount bgas with 100% working yield in my kitchen, either.
mircea_popescu: kleeck nah, it wouldn't be the case.
asciilifeform: this is an asic house, right? afaik all of the current asics ship as bga...
asciilifeform: (btc asics that is)
mircea_popescu: something like this : if your distribution craps out your car is not "totally wrecked", nevertheless it;'s weird to say yo uhave a problem with the "showerheads"
mircea_popescu: perhaps that's overstating the point.
kleeck: All I know is, in biology, if your substrates are fucked up YOU are fucked up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought most chips in the field are flatpacks/quads
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only btc asic i've seen alive (colleague's collection) was a bga.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm behind the tiems
asciilifeform: actually nope.
asciilifeform: it was one of these
asciilifeform: quad flat pack.
asciilifeform: so i suppose somebody did have them packaged as bga, and now shoestring resellers are having a bit of headache.
the20year1: the USB erupters?
asciilifeform: btw this photo of the latter shows tell-tale signs of hand soldering
the20year1: scary
asciilifeform: (scorch marks, lower-right quadrant)
the20year1: my brother's failure rate on them has been quite low overall, around 0.25%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082467 = 6.2263 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]
nubbins`: yep, R2 knew the soldering iron intimately
nubbins`: scorched to shit
asciilifeform: probably just burnt flux
asciilifeform: chinese soldering girl, not permitted even toilet break, less than steady hand.
asciilifeform: (boards are probably a buck more at plants where they allow toilets.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 140 @ 0.00689998 = 0.966 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't be a dollar more.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if they had the sense to install cameras it'd prolly be a buck less.
benkay: will it ever make sense again to actually buy land, given the returns acruing to btc?
benkay: land/apartments etc
mircea_popescu: once btc reaches its pleateau things get back to normal
mircea_popescu: under the new world overlords.
benkay: why is a plateau the steady-state?
asciilifeform: will be interesting to see 'company towns' where you can get food, housing, etc. for btc.
benkay: i guess just a really shallow increase
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay at some point the btc will trade more or less for (total world assets)/(total btc in circulation)
mircea_popescu: at that point fixed assets prices become again stable in btc.
benkay: as i suspected, argentinian REIT is doa.
benkay: is anyone tracking troy gold denominated in btc?
ozbot: Buy Gold, Silver Coins, Bars and Bullion Online | Best Prices on Precious Metals - Amagi Metals
nubbins`: oh n/m, the ticker doesn't change to btc
nubbins`: literally just googling "gold btc" here
asciilifeform: these wouldn't be the fellows that shafted people back in april?
asciilifeform: cancelling bullion orders when btc spiked
ozbot: Bitcoinity.org
nubbins`: no idea
benkay: not exactly a model of information presentation...
nubbins`: i've had good dealings with amagi
benkay: gotta love the clarity of units
benkay: coinabuls charts appear to be completely fscked
benkay: yes plz will buy butts at 130
ozbot: A Case for Fractional Reserve Banking with Bitcoin | Bitcoin Babble
benkay: fractional reserve
benkay: stopped reading
mircea_popescu: tghen why link it :p
benkay: i read the log
benkay: i hope other idiots do too
mircea_popescu: i guess so
benkay: ;;ticker --market --all
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['btcde', 'mtgox', 'btcavg', 'bitstamp', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitfinex', 'all', 'btce', 'btcn'].
benkay: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 311.70100, vol: 85291.17094261 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 292.89, vol: 50109.30993984 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 282.563, vol: 35924.37193 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.983897084
benkay: ;;ticker -m all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
benkay: :(
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency XAU
gribble: Error: Only USD averages supported.
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency EUR
gribble: Error: Only USD averages supported.
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency USD
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 312.00000, vol: 85308.66393263 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.17, vol: 50115.09916200 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.599, vol: 35941.52011 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.847037586
benkay: does nano operate gribble?
benkay: nanotube?
benkay: thanks!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00608999 = 0.609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.624 = 1.872 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: !h
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
bubbalicious: /query assbot
pankkake: !tickle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.615 = 2.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00612425 = 0.392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00015 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.614025 = 2.4561 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6115 = 2.446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61100001 = 1.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.32 = 2.56 BTC [-]
jurov: pankkake perhaps i can write bets (or convince you it's vague idea) for hire :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00602029 = 0.4154 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyone seen compliance ? the movie.
nubbins`: no, but it's based on a true story!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 150 @ 0.00109499 = 0.1642 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's unwatchable.
nubbins`: not surprised
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00589884 = 0.932 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: saw the good, the bad and the ugly for the first time a couple days ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 850 @ 0.00109499 = 0.9307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00082908 = 9.9904 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: Who had the idea to make buttered popcorn flavored jelly beans... tastes like mixed salt and sugar...
nubbins`: eat one with 2 blueberry jellybeans for a blueberry muffin flavor
Namworld: It almost works... it's too salty tho
Namworld: other than that popcorn flavor, these are delicious...
thestringpuller: ;;seen smi
gribble: I have not seen smi.
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 45 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
thestringpuller: not this again lol
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 268475 | Current Difficulty: 5.109297380161518E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 270143 | Next Difficulty In: 1668 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 556744793.93 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.967
ozbot: Judge Orders CoinLab to Give Bitcoin to Bitvestment - MoneyBeat - WSJ
BingoBoingo: "A well-known bitcoin company" <- WTF does CoinLab even do?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically it's bitcoin's zsa zsa gabor
mircea_popescu: a well known hollywood celeb that has nevertheless never done any movies.
BingoBoingo: Ah, So like a Kardashian without a sex tape.
mircea_popescu: well they're working on the sex tape.
mircea_popescu: In February 2009, "Dex" called a KFC restaurant in Manchester, New Hampshire. Posing as a manager from the corporate office, he persuaded employees to douse the building with fire suppression chemicals and to then proceed outside, remove all of their clothing and urinate on each other (he claimed the chemicals were caustic and this would render them inert).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.639 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Apparently some sort of new Traffic stop pilot program is being tested in New Mexico http://gawker.com/routine-traffic-stop-leads-to-anal-probe-nightmare-agai-1460304269
kakobrekla: also who is bitvestment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04620001 = 0.924 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: On July 20, Markle tricked a desk clerk at the Homewood Suites in Lexington, Kentucky into drinking another person’s urine. The prank started with a call to a guest. The guest was told it was the front desk calling and that a prior guest had tested positive for Hepatitis C. The guest was then told there was a doctor on site and a simple urine test could determine if the guest was infected. The urine was to be brought
mircea_popescu: to the front desk in a simple drinking glass. Markle then called the front desk alleging to be an employee of Martinelli's Cider. He told the clerk that a representative from the company would like to come downstairs with a sample of their new drink. The guest from the previous call then arrived and handed the clerk his urine. Markle then coaxed the woman to try it. He asked how it tasted. "Horrible," she said. "That
mircea_popescu: does not taste like cider. I'm not going to take another sip, that's horrible." Markle replied: "Well, I need to inform you of something, ma'am. I want you to understand that you just drank that man's urine."
mircea_popescu: i gotta get into pranking, this shit's too epic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63905714 = 4.4734 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.408284 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000818196564625 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6391 = 3.1955 BTC [+]
benkay: they don't even have the volume to justify that
mircea_popescu: guess the bitcoin site.
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: guess they're using JSF
mircea_popescu: amusingly, obama's signature project would not actually qualify to being listed on mpex on technical grounds.
nubbins`: can't find message bundle files = ???place_holder_name??? for all strings
mircea_popescu: lucky for him he's friends with the fiat printer guy or else he'd starve.
nubbins`: pays to have friends in inky places
nubbins`: new polymer $5 and $10s released here today
nubbins`: canada no longer produces paper money
BingoBoingo: Maybe Obama can hire TradeFortress? I hear he needs an income...
mircea_popescu: i doubt he has the clearance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04620001 = 0.924 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: whats odd also about tf, different people are getting back different percentages of their holdings or soemthing
nubbins`: mod6: crisp stacks of them are VERY difficult to separate. it's a real pain
nubbins`: cashiers are always death-gripping them
mircea_popescu: lmao @poorly made polymer bills.
mircea_popescu: romania has been using all poly for a decade, and the problem never existed here.
mod6: i bet, nubbins`. seems like that would be a problem.
mircea_popescu: the trick is that they have to have special faces.
mircea_popescu: which costs slightly more
nubbins`: they tend to nest together around the braille
mod6: huh.
nubbins`: once they've been circulating for a while they're ok, but crisp ones are always a problem
nubbins`: polymer notes also don't fold nicely
nubbins`: i'm really not a huge fan
nubbins`: better than more coins, though
nubbins`: the see-thru panels are kinda cool tho
mircea_popescu: there's really not much choice, you can't make "paper" textile secure enough.
mod6: mircea_popescu: do you mean 'faces' as in the artwork on the note, or as in some sort of poly scuffing or 'roughness' on the surface?
mircea_popescu: the latter mod6
mod6: ahh
mod6: interesting way to get around the problem i suppose. new paper notes always stick together over here -- and there's a lot of 'em (lol)
nubbins`: the canadian notes have texture as well
mircea_popescu: nubbins` then it must not be done right or something ?
nubbins`: i assumed that it was because they cut the sheets in stacks, and don't mechanically fan them to encourage separation before shipping them to the banks
nubbins`: in fact, i mis-counted the tenants' rent twice this month because of this very problem
mod6: are these poly-notes just straight poly, or are they a laminated pet (polyester) | polyethylene with paper in the middle?
nubbins`: pure poly
nubbins`: the canadian notes have fully transparent sections
mod6: oh, ok. probably better that way to avoid delamination
mod6: one bad lot of glue could mean delam for lots and lots of notes haha.
nubbins`: (you can see the guilty braille near the bottom right of the "E"
mod6: ok, so its a [ poly | ink | poly ] construction 'eh
mod6: well, actually: [poly | ink | glue | poly ] (probably)
nubbins`: i'm not sure of the specifics. the clear section has a hologram ribbon embedded in it
nubbins`: and i'm pretty sure it's a different polymer than the rest of the note
mod6: yeah, those are just probably inserted as a strip during or before the lamination process.
mircea_popescu: are they huge or is the kbd really small
nubbins`: macbook keyboard, regular size bills (for us, anyway)
nubbins`: ~150x70mm?
nubbins`: 2.75x6"
mircea_popescu: is that the largest bill ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6398 BTC [+]
mod6: i know the length of $1 is 6" for sure, the height seems about par with usd.
nubbins`: denomination? yeah
nubbins`: canada is largely cashless
nubbins`: it's uncommon to see anything bigger than a 20 day-to-day
KRS-: not good
KRS-: amazing how many people are all up in BTC considering the price
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: there was a $1,000 note until 2000
nubbins`: it was removed from circulation after they realized it was only being used to launder money
KRS-: But then again <XDS2010> hey can i buy 2USD of bitcoins off someone ?
KRS-: $2!
mircea_popescu: "launder money" = "use moneuy according to wishes of owners rather than government" ?
nubbins`: mp, precisely
mircea_popescu: well then fuck them.
KRS-: if one wanted to do that couldnt one just trade btc for gold directly?
nubbins`: i can't argue with ya there
KRS-: one of the easier ways?
nubbins`: krs, shut up, you'll ruin it
Apocalyptic: KRS-, I've seen someone willing to buy 0.001 btc on #otc
KRS-: i have no idea what i'm saying i was looking for the #xbox chat room or something
nubbins`: go back to sleep!
nubbins`: -otc is a wasteland
nubbins`: infants trading pennies
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you don't understand. some people weren't happy with the direction it was evaporating into back in 2012.
mircea_popescu: it's much better nao.
mircea_popescu: and also gmaxwell isn't a rank imbecile, as certain evil people might have you believe.
nubbins`: it used to be worse? :0
mircea_popescu: no, i'm just sarcastic.
nubbins`: ooo, slipped it past me
mircea_popescu: interwebs are slippery for sarcasm.
Namworld: I was reading comments on a canadian news website (yes, I'm currently very bored) when someone purporting to be American he was surprised pretty much every commenter was writing with full sentences and properly. It's true.
Namworld: Even agressive comments are polites.
nubbins`: never read the comments
nubbins`: it always degenerates into "loony lefties" or "harper's goons"
nubbins`: or bleating about immigration reform
mircea_popescu: o wow, canada has like politics and everything ?
mircea_popescu: how adowabwe.
nubbins`: mp, i think we even have eleckshuns too
nubbins`: not sure of spelling
Namworld: Yes, it's almost as if was a country.
mircea_popescu: that it'd have, even pakistan has those :D
nubbins`: there's a "Senate scandal" going on right now
nubbins`: for some reason, we have a bunch of ex-journalists in the senate
ozbot: Botched NC Traffic Alert Warns Of ‘Women Drivers, Rain, Obama Care’ « CBS Charlotte
mircea_popescu: "The North Carolina Department of Transportation sent out a traffic alert, warning people of female drivers, rain and Obamacare."
nubbins`: and it came to light that they've been grossly enriching themselves in ways that they shouldn't
mircea_popescu: no improper sex tho ?
nubbins`: nothing so far
nubbins`: given the perps, i hope not
mircea_popescu: so i guess it'll take you 10-20 years to catch up to the us then ?
Namworld: Botched NC Traffic Alert? Sounds like a prank.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: depends on if the liberals get elected again
Namworld: [21:31] <nubbins`> given the perps, i hope not
Namworld: An important point...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 125 @ 0.00109 = 0.1363 BTC [-]
nubbins`: conservative government is canada's reset button
mircea_popescu: 1sow2pigs
nubbins`: duffy (left) truly is a pig
nubbins`: "Duffy is also the asshole who, at the funeral of former Liberal prime minister Pierre Trudeau in 2000, reminded his grieving widow that it was also the birthday of her son Michel, who died in an avalanche in 1998."
mike_c: gonna need bigger strikes on mpex soon!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 68 @ 0.04620001 = 3.1416 BTC [+]
mike_c: won't be able to buy atm options in a week
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 95 @ 0.001087 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6398 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7215 @ 0.00082669 = 5.9646 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00605 = 0.1755 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin to rise above 4 USD before Dec 25th
mircea_popescu: ltc to teh moon!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00246932 = 0.4198 BTC [+] {2}
KRS-: lol
KRS-: can we do one to $5 before Dec 25
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.31701 = 0.951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 0.54745081 = 547.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.317 = 0.951 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.313 = 1.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31200002 = 0.624 BTC [-]
ozbot: BTC/USD 1-year charts from Mt.Gox
ozbot: LTC/USD 1-year charts from BTC-e
ozbot: BTC/USD 3-months charts from Mt.Gox
ozbot: LTC/USD 3-months charts from BTC-e
benkay: pretty tightly correlated, neglecting growing pains.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00246954 = 0.1309 BTC [+]
mike_c: 500 btc put? no comment?
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 0.54737769 = 547.3777 BTC [-]
mike_c: man, i hope he's going to hedge that
mike_c: 1100 btc in puts is a bold bet.
benkay: relative to your stash, perhaps.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You forget the gem chasers are controlling prices at the moment
mike_c: so, a miner is happy to spend 300k in insurance for 3 weeks?
mike_c: if it is a speculator, i don't care how big their stash is. that's a big bet!
benkay: mpoe took the other side
benkay: dunno what to tell you, mang
benkay: and "a miner" is unlikely
benkay: perhaps "a pool of miners representing an ungodly amount of hashing power" would be more plausible?
mike_c: but pool doesn't have control of all the funds to drop down a 1k hedge, do they?
mike_c: ;;calc 300 / .55
gribble: 545.454545455
mike_c: ;;calc 300 / 1.55
gribble: 193.548387097
mike_c: break-even at 193
mircea_popescu: mike_c you weren't around the month that mpoe bot carried 1mn btc implied on the book were you
mike_c: uh, no.
mircea_popescu: yeah. well...
mike_c: well, then I am enjoying being excited at these kinds of things still :) Another year and I will be blase.
mircea_popescu: hehe it is pretty hefty. anyway ;
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-january-2013-statement/ 47k turnover in jan, 200k btc in contracts
ozbot: MPOE, January 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: I imagine the futures will pick up as the gem chasers continue their thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 500 @ 0.54487298 = 272.4365 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hm. i wonder why so fixated on 320.
mike_c: it's the max?
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean, could have taken 1k 317s
mike_c: ;;calc 317 / 1.5327
gribble: 206.82455797
mike_c: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00246954 = 0.2692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 191 @ 0.00246955 = 0.4717 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if bitcoin does go back to last month those puts are worth a pretty coin.
benkay: if it does so within the month, that is.
mircea_popescu: doesn't really look likely tbh. but what do i know.
mircea_popescu: you goldsterns you.
KRS-: SR v2.0 = FBI
KRS-: p33r
mike_c: they gotta put all those coins to work. heh, maybe the fbi bought all the puts.
mircea_popescu: lmao that'd be a good one.
mircea_popescu: someone should make FBI
mircea_popescu: Fund Bitcoin International or some shit
asciilifeform: when we see a sr clone with aerostat delivery, we'll know it's the real deal.
asciilifeform: (or not.)
mircea_popescu: FBI could be a Bitcoin-centric us congress lobbying group, insisting that each year the us spends $$$ to buy up bitcoins
mike_c: congress will make bitcoin extremely easy in the US as soon as they figure out it can hide campaign contributions
BingoBoingo: When's the last time anyone checked the FBI addresses? Maybe they learned to GPG and bought a key registration on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: someone made a gpg excel extension or something ?
asciilifeform: that would be FBI', the other FBI. just like there is (or ought to be) an NSA', where they keep people who know how to set up 'iptables' on the 1st try.
asciilifeform: (as classic nsa clearly does not, if the 3rd tor 'leak' is to be believed.)
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
asciilifeform: mostly botnet traffic, as far as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: “One of the big enlightenments that we had at a certain point is that people don’t want to buy security software. They want peace of mind.”
mircea_popescu: i like this peace of mind euphemism.
asciilifeform: peace as in: 'rest in...'
mircea_popescu: you could also say “No man, who has endeavored to carry out an enterprise where many hands were needed, but has been well nigh appalled at times by the imbecility of the average man- the inability or unwillingness to concentrate on a thing and do it,” Hubbard writes. “Slip-shod assistance, foolish inattention, dowdy indifference, & half-hearted work seem the rule…”
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $500 by the end of 2013
mircea_popescu: nice odds on that thing
BingoBoingo: As far as I know Outlook has, or at least had a GPG extension. Maybe they ported PyMPEx to an Excel macro?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to pdp-8.
mircea_popescu: that thing'd kick ass.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the first time in many weeks the diff is flagging
BingoBoingo: So... in other news NetBSD has their own GPG like program called NetPG. Built on the Mac SE/30
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 1649 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3214% in 10d 14h 33m 13s
BingoBoingo: It's still generating the first keypair...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe it uses really good entropy
asciilifeform: lemmings from the last wave of asicism tossing their miners in the skip in the wake of the middle kingdom's Great Wall of ASIC?
benkay: yeah, what ams happen with diff?
BingoBoingo: Knc machines continuing to burn out? Block erupters and ASICMiner quitting?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002031 = 0.2031 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: or maybe great wall blew a fuse.
asciilifeform: or the electric bill didn't make its way into the nth 5-year plan...
mircea_popescu: nothing goes on forever,
mircea_popescu: and mountains least of all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00605 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8755 @ 0.00012951 = 1.1339 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: thisd is pretty juicy
mircea_popescu: Those “other purposes” have come to include a little-known amendment recently introduced by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that would allow the State Department to revoke, deny or limit passports for anyone the Internal Revenue Service certifies as having “a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.”
asciilifeform: old news.
mircea_popescu: i only now saw it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1202 @ 0.002031 = 2.4413 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: dekulakization, ever popular.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00605 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: only part that surprised me was the $50k. might as well 'owe parking fine? no passport.'
mircea_popescu: it reminds one of the "state secrets" thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soviet 'nevyezdnye' ?
mircea_popescu: отказник
asciilifeform: (knew too much. non-exportable. physicists, etc)
asciilifeform: that was more of a 'fuck, we won't let all the phd's out simultaneously'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00605 = 0.3933 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but generally, the reason joe e jew couldn't go to israel was that 20 eyars prior during his conscription
mircea_popescu: he had once seen the inside of a t34 fuel tank
mircea_popescu: or some shit.
asciilifeform: here in the 'civilized' u.s. they'll do it 'humanely.' pay your ransom and get out, don't come back. like in (early) GDR.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally aren't more famous than the ak47s only because they were too expensive for average people
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's about as good.
asciilifeform: betcha there are still '34s puttering around pakistan or some other pesthole.
mircea_popescu: there are 34s used to train teh nato troops of romania.
benkay: i'm out
benkay: fuck that place
asciilifeform: while inside? or target practice.
mircea_popescu: no no, how to pilot a tank w/o a shaft
mircea_popescu: also how to fix tracks
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled slipped tracks.
mircea_popescu: it was dearly beloved historically by romanians. the mo of the romanian army (which incidentally was one of the problems of leningrad) was to use the shitty czech skodas they had to force the russian crew out of a t34
mircea_popescu: and then use that.
asciilifeform: just like russians would club a german with 'ppsh' and take his schmeisser...
mircea_popescu: it was like "every destroyed t34 is a sad loss" sort of thing.
asciilifeform: or americans in vietnam, clubbing the enemy with jammed m16 and take his rifle.
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