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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055242 = 22.0968 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23620 @ 0.00055243 = 13.0484 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 966885232.624
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 395095 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055206 = 5.079 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"?
mircea_popescu: da wut ?!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00055286 = 11.4442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055286 = 1.548 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055118 = 4.2992 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 395100 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 35 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ben_vulpes: "People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005524 = 23.6151 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0005524 = 8.2031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00055256 = 20.4447 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00055077 = 7.5455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054843 = 16.6723 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36495 @ 0.00054842 = 20.0146 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 395124 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 20 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 25 seconds
assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )
BingoBoingo: "McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBC’s research standard effectively discriminated against her “race, colour, ancestry, place of origin … and sex.” "
punkman: "Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. "
punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?
BingoBoingo: But Oral Tradition
punkman: why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach?
BingoBoingo: That would be a Lecturer
BingoBoingo: Or a teacher.
BingoBoingo: Not a Professor
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 395132 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 26 minutes and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: lol punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15368 @ 0.00054842 = 8.4281 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: ;;bc,bull
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 433.114 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,bear
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 314.992 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | It's tanking!
assbot: So What Exactly is SCR7? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1K854MQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102700 @ 0.00054835 = 56.3155 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40237 @ 0.00054884 = 22.0837 BTC [+]
assbot: Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPPtDJ )
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Rises 5.89% - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitcoin-network-difficulty-rises-5-89/
assbot: Merit Capitalism: Stop rich people from buying our politics. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPRJea )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: I was actually awake for one of these for a change
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4061 @ 0.00055244 = 2.2435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: AI pioneer Marvin Minsky dies aged 88 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMp9ak )
asciilifeform: 'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t
asciilifeform: echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.'
asciilifeform: (inventor of neural network and cofounder of ai lab with j. mccarthy, for n00bz)
asciilifeform: he was the last remaining anybody who was somebody of that period, afaik.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00055248 = 7.3204 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it.
assbot: Why are black Americans less affected by the opioid epidemic? Racism, probably. - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKKzsb )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unfortunately i haven't any time.
asciilifeform: go ahead and do it if you feel like it.
BingoBoingo: I figured. I lack the background.
BingoBoingo: Maybe phf?
asciilifeform: the bbc article, surprisingly, has the facts.
BingoBoingo: But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people
BingoBoingo: !up kefkius
assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )
jurov: ^ another idea for stego corpus
jurov: "For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention."
jurov: Fluid. *pounds on the pulpit* Retention.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23140 @ 0.00055046 = 12.7376 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26670 @ 0.00055775 = 14.8752 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27430 @ 0.00055971 = 15.3528 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.21, vol: 7670.92802261 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.2, vol: 5623.27465 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 390.89, vol: 21162.60207079 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 1.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.21184, vol: 43649.86990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.83726, vol: 579.10188788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 397.5711, vol: 21.98767709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 392.54738725
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28960 @ 0.00055515 = 16.0771 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: I thought there is always QE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is \tif\t\n\t\telse
mircea_popescu: and in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385911 let's quote from the very pravda :
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.
mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin
mircea_popescu: g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85]
mircea_popescu: what we learn here, other than a) nobody gives a shit about the inept campaings of the hundreds upon endless thousands of "activists" (as you recall from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366968 this is !=== "educator"), and especially not the advertisers
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue.
mircea_popescu: b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s.
mircea_popescu: apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo.
mircea_popescu: and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES.
mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?
mircea_popescu: and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern.
thestringpuller: people still use facebook?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily.
mircea_popescu: so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user.
mircea_popescu: if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different.
mircea_popescu: o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so.
mircea_popescu: leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385945 << and they still can't come out and fucking say it.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues
thestringpuller: Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail.
mircea_popescu: "we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something"
thestringpuller: or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us)
mircea_popescu: is that so hard ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )
mircea_popescu: dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD.
mircea_popescu: nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall).
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ahaha you work for vmware ?
punkman: wasn't EMC looking to sell itself?
mircea_popescu: and wasn't getting much in the way of bids, either.
punkman: to Dell, huh
mircea_popescu: apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers.
mircea_popescu: no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./
mircea_popescu: actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn.
mircea_popescu: thus therefore,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 150 * 10**9 / 25 / 5 / 10 ** 4
gribble: 120000
mircea_popescu: takes 120`000 fb accounts to make one it employee.
mircea_popescu: one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385967 << actually, upon review, it's a very strong argument.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?
thestringpuller: yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing.
mircea_popescu: woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her.
punkman: sure, but oral tradition?
BingoBoingo: Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing
BingoBoingo: Could publish peer reviewed tapes
assbot: Marvin Minsky - Scientist - 'I want an anti-fad fad' - Web of Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL2i2S )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars.
mircea_popescu: punkman what do i do if not oral tradition ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wassat airwatch ?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ?
mircea_popescu: that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental.
BingoBoingo: lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory!
mircea_popescu: they HAVE TO be.
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mircea_popescu: see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty.
BingoBoingo: Time is the MOST oppressive thing.
mircea_popescu: "nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!"
BingoBoingo: More than money
mircea_popescu: is that going to help ?
mircea_popescu: "i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ?
BingoBoingo: Help toss kerosene on this tire fire.
BingoBoingo: There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot"
mircea_popescu: same argument innit ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine.
mircea_popescu: managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers.
mircea_popescu: and yes the university is assembly line for phds.
mircea_popescu: and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... argument can be brought.
BingoBoingo: Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7457 @ 0.00054831 = 4.0887 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 12:31:33; punkman: http://meritcapitalism.com/
punkman: no wai
mircea_popescu: "we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386014 << this would be because a robot actually does write the speeches. iirc we laughed at the company in question here even.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value.
mircea_popescu: none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's.
mircea_popescu: that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em.
mircea_popescu: wow minsky died
BingoBoingo: Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf?
mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00054757 = 3.2307 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations"
pete_dushenski: heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: where's this ? twatter ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: slack. i'll post logs later
pete_dushenski: "a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00054757 = 16.7009 BTC [-]
PeterL: would also depend on distribution of income
pete_dushenski: quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story !
PeterL: a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling
pete_dushenski: "More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1
pete_dushenski: this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality.
pete_dushenski: but hey, that's racist and undemocratic
PeterL: do they address correlation vs causation?
thestringpuller: basically trace mayer states, MPEx is "doing it wrong"
thestringpuller: Dude reminds me of Dr. Foreskin a bit.
pete_dushenski: "Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec
pete_dushenski: hnicalities like correlation and causation ?
PeterL: prolly not
pete_dushenski: hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: /me reads
pete_dushenski: ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new.
pete_dushenski: if he wasn't, he'd be here.
pete_dushenski: since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed
thestringpuller: i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime
thestringpuller: oh wait mike_c already did that
pete_dushenski: "Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh.
assbot: Should Business Travel Be Obsolete? by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL9dZR )
PeterL: "these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00054755 = 12.8674 BTC [-] {3}
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mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
mod6: how goes it asciilifeform
ascii_butugychag: 2+hr in wheeled coffin
ascii_butugychag: (which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it)
ascii_butugychag: but this is not interesting so much.
PeterL: it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job?
mod6: you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning?
ascii_butugychag: mod6: aha
mod6: sorry, that sucks. :/
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: pretty much impossible
mod6: don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard?
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it
ascii_butugychag: mod6: only when the snow is falling or at least fresh
mod6: huh.heesh.
mod6: bah. "huh. sheesh"
mod6: my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec.
mod6: anyway, well at least you made it there.
ascii_butugychag: interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute
ascii_butugychag: (everybody else lives in $4-5k 'garçonnières' nearby)
pete_dushenski: "bah. "huh. sheesh"" << baksheesh !
PeterL: does everybody else get paid more than you?
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i genuinely have no idea
PeterL: and is that $4-5k per month?
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking
ascii_butugychag: may as well take off your pants and shit right on the table
assbot: 1993 Bombardier Prinoth BR400 Plus : Resort Boneyard ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLdPio )
ascii_butugychag: but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich
ascii_butugychag: mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i think you meant PeterL...
pete_dushenski: mod6: lel. i'd drive that to work
mod6: it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago.
pete_dushenski: trace mayer was behind armory, neh ?
pete_dushenski: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracemayer << looks ~identical~ to pedo-'core' dood from mighty ducks
ascii_butugychag: brockchain!11
mircea_popescu: i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ?
ascii_butugychag: in honour of.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life.
mircea_popescu: we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo!
mircea_popescu: damned capitalists.
ascii_butugychag: l0l i think that's knuth, no me
mircea_popescu: in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete.
mircea_popescu: get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing
mircea_popescu: unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with.
ascii_butugychag: hey if we had a joe stack
ascii_butugychag: why not king trace.
ascii_butugychag: (is there a, e.g., henry heap?)
mircea_popescu: joe is fine.
mircea_popescu: trace, wtf is that.
mircea_popescu: at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules.
PeterL: what kind of funny name is "Mircea"?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe.
mircea_popescu: PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that.
ascii_butugychag: i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names
PeterL: so you can only name people after kings?
ascii_butugychag: e.g., smith, кузнецов, етц
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that.
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people.
mircea_popescu: either kings or saints. pick.
ascii_butugychag cleans rus/lat key
PeterL: how about family members?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag ftr it's etk not ettz
mircea_popescu: PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so...
PeterL: Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman?
PeterL: I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down
mircea_popescu: PeterL you do notice the subtext here, do you ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard
PeterL: no, I am immune to subtext
ascii_butugychag: (the translit system on this box maps c/ц)
mircea_popescu: the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth.
PeterL: and you can tell this by his name?
mircea_popescu: i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible.
pete_dushenski: "In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: NEMMENOOO IL VINOOO!!11
mircea_popescu: indignant talians.
pete_dushenski: who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit
mircea_popescu: bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: " Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem.
pete_dushenski: that's what, 50 btc ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're not italian enough i guess
pete_dushenski: or roman catholic
mod6: pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx
pete_dushenski: and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum)
mod6: ah.
pete_dushenski: also discovered that 'terminal' only runs on WINBLOZE
mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski scandalous innit.
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
pete_dushenski: so they claim. maybe there's a linux workaround
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android
PeterL: must run winblows VM on your linux box
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year.
ascii_butugychag: if for some reason you need it.
PeterL: or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's not 300k dudes.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman
mircea_popescu: i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: betcha gs requires all boxes to run winblowz
ascii_butugychag: like the rest of usg.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. 300k subscriptions...
mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer"
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are"
ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it
mircea_popescu: remarkable how this works.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps"
pete_dushenski: 95% compliance just from threats, no need to act.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: spa ?
ascii_butugychag: 'software publishers association'
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.
ascii_butugychag: golden age?!!
mircea_popescu: shut up you don't understand how the world works.
ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: so who the fuck cares what an "association" does. this reminds me of the faux ro animal police thing. of http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ fame
assbot: In atentia I.G.P.P.A. - Autodenunt on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW6QgZ )
ascii_butugychag: (somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa
mircea_popescu: let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges.
ascii_butugychag: so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag
mircea_popescu: at least, that's how i do it.
mircea_popescu: see above.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: with own hands ?
mircea_popescu: well supposedly it's a place of business, neh ?
ascii_butugychag: it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of
mircea_popescu: no, just, you suck.
mircea_popescu: start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week.
ascii_butugychag: last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign
mircea_popescu: so far i'm having pie.
mircea_popescu: but hey, whatevs.
mircea_popescu: want a pic of my pie ?
PeterL: "I'm just trying to ..."
ascii_butugychag has no pie here in the mine, but will enjoy a picture
PeterL: Yoda: There is no try.
mircea_popescu: as good excuse as any to have another slice.
assbot: Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shm6cF )
mircea_popescu: it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you.
mircea_popescu: snowburial memories and all that
ascii_butugychag: i actually prefer shoveling snow to work.
mircea_popescu: you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg.
ascii_butugychag: i'd trade it for furnace stoking, also
ascii_butugychag: just like'em./
ascii_butugychag: but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man
ascii_butugychag: furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk
ascii_butugychag: (paid same as engineer, believe it)
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mircea_popescu: well yes, because racist empire.
mircea_popescu: soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law.
ascii_butugychag: ah that, yes
mircea_popescu: well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ?
mircea_popescu: gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere.
ascii_butugychag: the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho.
ascii_butugychag: rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches
ascii_butugychag: unless preemptively pushed out.
ascii_butugychag: this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies
ascii_butugychag: (rural inhabitants fed the city but not permitted therein)
ascii_butugychag: most of'em were ethnically ru however
ascii_butugychag: but predatorial mountain men were shown their place, yes.
mircea_popescu: well yes, it is. or to quote...
mircea_popescu: hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway.
ascii_butugychag: su ran on the fumes of four centuries of derp-crushing
ascii_butugychag: just like 20th c. usa
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWb3RK )
mircea_popescu: there we go
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
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shinohai: node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully \o/
assbot: Time to recuperate this chauvinism thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShoiB3 )
pete_dushenski: came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.
mod6: thanks for testing shinohai
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 966029265.422
pete_dushenski: waiting to see exahash again ?
mircea_popescu: curious what happened there lol.
pete_dushenski: maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386367 << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.
mircea_popescu: more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?"
ascii_butugychag: l0l there is application desk?!
ascii_butugychag: or is it a gag door, with pirannha pond on other side
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mircea_popescu: there is an application desk.
adlai: gribble's `nethash` rises and falls with luck and hashing. appears to be (or at least, have similar calculation as) the 3d window from http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png
mircea_popescu: iirc it is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: !up GlobalSolutions
shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i apply.
ascii_butugychag: or is it only for cool kidz.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56118 @ 0.00054683 = 30.687 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano.
ascii_butugychag: ah in that sense
mircea_popescu: yes in that sense. what other sense ?
mircea_popescu: there is no other sense.
mircea_popescu: hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal.
mircea_popescu: then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp
mircea_popescu: i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process.
ascii_butugychag: in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard'
ascii_butugychag: i shit thee not
ascii_butugychag: maybe i am already in the insane asylum
ascii_butugychag: and belong there
mircea_popescu: im sure it prevents any isis-eavesdropping
ascii_butugychag: nah no crypto
ascii_butugychag: but srsly, wtf
ascii_butugychag: take me to where they keep the napoleons.
mircea_popescu: of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ?
ascii_butugychag: only if he tries to get in and drive !
ascii_butugychag: and goes around bragging about his 'car'
ascii_butugychag: and offering rides
assbot: Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoAsYe )
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not.
ascii_butugychag: it would appear that he was.
ascii_butugychag: blew my mind.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline.
ascii_butugychag: unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first.
mircea_popescu: after this you have a few hours safe.
kakobrekla: i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance
ascii_butugychag: how did you get the 8 figure ?
mircea_popescu: replicating array of 4
mircea_popescu: oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it.
ascii_butugychag: i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade
ascii_butugychag: but these were classical disks
mircea_popescu: what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank.
mircea_popescu: then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too
kakobrekla: most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance
ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: not 3ware
ascii_butugychag: (as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards)
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ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: so they burn like candles, huh.
ascii_butugychag: can keep time by it.
mircea_popescu: there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do.
ascii_butugychag: and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ?
kakobrekla: does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?
mircea_popescu: some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells
ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: yes
ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: e.g., 9690 series
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eventually runs out of spare cells
ascii_butugychag: then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array
mircea_popescu: yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say
hanbot: rakanishux
hanbot: erm.
ascii_butugychag: hanbot gonna have to change launch codez now!11
mircea_popescu: are you doing a diablo binge ?
hanbot hides under the bed
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. what was the system calledm bishibosh ?
hanbot: i admit nothing! (yes)
mod6: haha, workin on gettin that new box setup?
thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?
hanbot: i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure.
thestringpuller: what does the universe intend to teach me tomorrow...
mod6: hanbot: cool
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier
ascii_butugychag: (it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily)
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos.
ascii_butugychag: 5 is a lose-any-1-of-4
mircea_popescu: 1-0 over eight is lose up to 4.
ascii_butugychag: idk, seems like you can lose a particular 4 and die
mircea_popescu: you can lose a particular 2 and die.
ascii_butugychag: well in my case ~any~ 2
mircea_popescu: yes but 3 kills you fo sho.
ascii_butugychag: 2 kills my setup for sure
mircea_popescu: well, if you had 8, to compare apples the same size.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds.
mircea_popescu: it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done.
mircea_popescu: if it comes to replacing fucking platters.
ascii_butugychag: ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ?
mircea_popescu: so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range.
mircea_popescu: no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas.\
ascii_butugychag: but whole point of raid is to avoid this
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: i don't like or trust fancy parity schemes.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit
mircea_popescu: a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance
ascii_butugychag: but still like and trust hdd chipset ?
ascii_butugychag: go figure
ascii_butugychag: and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ?
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ya.
ascii_butugychag: and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector.
mircea_popescu: this is a view not unlike democracy
ascii_butugychag: (and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown)
mircea_popescu: "oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook"
mircea_popescu: o yeah ?
ascii_butugychag: 'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts.
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure)
ascii_butugychag: but not in von neumann pc, no.
ascii_butugychag: ring topology.
ascii_butugychag: see 'firing squad problem.'
mircea_popescu: ternary computer with ring ram and ring disks huh ?
ascii_butugychag: and now you know how!11
mircea_popescu: poor minsky.
ascii_butugychag: btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field
ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end
ascii_butugychag: ;;google perceptron xor
gribble: Single-layer Neural Networks (Perceptrons) - School of Computing: <http://computing.dcu.ie/~humphrys/Notes/Neural/single.neural.html>; XOR problem - homepage - AGH: <http://home.agh.edu.pl/~vlsi/AI/xor_t/en/main.htm>; Perceptron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron>
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ascii_butugychag: his proof is homework-classic today
assbot: History of the Perceptron ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDHaD )
ascii_butugychag: minsky birthed it, and killed it
ascii_butugychag: (multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later)
ascii_butugychag: the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater
ascii_butugychag: Derjaguin.
ascii_butugychag: Дерягин, Борис Владимирович.
ascii_butugychag: who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans.
ascii_butugychag: fell on grenade.
ascii_butugychag: compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot
ascii_butugychag: of 'n-rays' fame.
ascii_butugychag: french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died !
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.
ascii_butugychag: and a few other things.
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386041 << not just logical. That is the official policy of the IRS according to their own documentation. That's why I stopped filing.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386465 << the intersection of the sets "people who play Eulora" and "people who used to play Diablo" is well populated
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha
danielpbarron: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim
ascii_butugychag: -- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty
ascii_butugychag: (hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable)
ascii_butugychag: this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back...
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PeterL: I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes.
PeterL: (should have been 5 or 6)
PeterL: might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds
trinque: PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions
trinque: one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas.
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie.
ascii_butugychag: also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown
danielpbarron: you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial
ascii_butugychag: 'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru)
thestringpuller: from prison to the gasenwagon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21032 @ 0.000554 = 11.6517 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15268 @ 0.00056023 = 8.5536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00055682 = 7.5254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7441 @ 0.00055682 = 4.1433 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: how goes, thestringpuller ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00056062 = 38.0381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00056076 = 11.832 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28337 @ 0.00056062 = 15.8863 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.
thestringpuller: no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls.
adlai: ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit)
thestringpuller: dungeon pits are kinda cool.
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east
adlai: mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs
ascii_butugychag: they were not a long-term thing
adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving"
ascii_butugychag: generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery
ascii_butugychag: adlai: what were you in for ?
adlai: ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121400 @ 0.00056058 = 68.0544 BTC [-] {4}
adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower?
danielpbarron: daffodil or amarylis perhaps
adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc
adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ?
adlai: !s from:ascii* coke
assbot: 67 results for 'from:ascii* coke' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+coke
adlai: (rings a bell but i'll have to verify)
ascii_butugychag: !s coke machine
assbot: 37 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine
ascii_butugychag: i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison
ascii_butugychag: but fully automated
ascii_butugychag: for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat.
ascii_butugychag: (the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis)
adlai: whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite?
adlai: do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims?
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children
ascii_butugychag: how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc
adlai: human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys)
ascii_butugychag: anyway this is in the logz.
adlai: not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim
ascii_butugychag: no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor.
adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length
ascii_butugychag: how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc.
adlai: all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model
adlai: 0/10 would not reinvest
ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it.
ascii_butugychag: catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.
adlai: aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery.
ascii_butugychag: 'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions.
adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department
ascii_butugychag: if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.
adlai: hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games?
ascii_butugychag: because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one
ascii_butugychag: adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game
ascii_butugychag: hence no 0sum lottery.
danielpbarron: what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it?
ascii_butugychag: whaddayamean what use
adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?)
ascii_butugychag: he coughs up coin
ascii_butugychag: or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf.
danielpbarron: right, why would the friends do it
adlai: ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery?
adlai would
danielpbarron: why be friends with a pit dweller?
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~
danielpbarron: yeah was being the key word there
adlai: danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom
danielpbarron: so ransom-wet-ware ?
danielpbarron: well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape
ascii_butugychag: but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional
adlai: allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities
ascii_butugychag: adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death)
polarbeard: cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain
polarbeard: it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas
ascii_butugychag: there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank
adlai: hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D
adlai: paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity'
adlai: "all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out
adlai: s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/
polarbeard: I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation'
polarbeard: that's literally it
adlai: so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive
ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero
adlai: right, you need slave income > power bill
ascii_butugychag: works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.
ascii_butugychag: (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)
adlai: slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged
ascii_butugychag: 'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r)
polarbeard: a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber
adlai: fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386514 << and look at all the difference that made, too!
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end
adlai: polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources
adlai: in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin)
polarbeard: that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'
mircea_popescu: if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did.
adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin
ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this
adlai: ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine
ascii_butugychag: and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket
ascii_butugychag: but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless
ascii_butugychag: and did not.
adlai: and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << yeah, note the recently re-activated bitcoinica scammer.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png
adlai: "want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc"
ascii_butugychag: adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ?
ascii_butugychag: because i would like to request this.
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386573 << it still imports vanilla xml doesn't it ?
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.
adlai: it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis)
mircea_popescu: you could do xml instead!!111!1
adlai: xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386588 << dude could you be any more of a retarded camwhore, seriously.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc
mircea_popescu: are we all vague and mysterious and shit ? whoopee.
adlai: ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine
adlai is "in the logs" describing the full episode, it's too long to fit in the margins of these. tl;dr: police visited, invited me along so nicely i couldn't refuse, but went home the next day. as danielpbarron pointed out, jail /= prison
ascii_butugychag: adlai: when ?
adlai: early january 2014. i don't remember the exact date and frankly don't feel like trying to recall it.
mircea_popescu: !search from:adlai prison
assbot: 3 results for 'from:adlai prison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+prison
adlai celebrated "significantly more than two years" instead of astronomically precise anniversaries
mircea_popescu: nope, nothing 2014.
adlai: lol i don't think kako invited me here until months later
mircea_popescu: so then it's not in the logs.
adlai: thus the scare quotes, and distinction from ~these~
mircea_popescu: isn't lying fun.
adlai: cue "there is no logs but Logs, and you will have no other logs but these"
adlai: en teh archaea - fiat logos
mircea_popescu: mno. cue "it is the halmark of unemployed aluminum siding salesmen to try and pretend " are "".
ascii_butugychag: dafuq is a 'fiat log'
adlai: mircea_popescu: you know the "three things you can watch forever: fire burning, water flowing, people working"? needs an addition, "people bullshitting"
ascii_butugychag: the kind dropped into toilet ?
mircea_popescu: no idea what indiancandy school you went to, but no. nobody cares about specifically female retardation. it's not fascinating, nor sexy, nor even remotely interesting.
adlai: ascii_butugychag: mishmash of fiat (latin) and logos (greek)
mircea_popescu: learn a trade already.
ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic
adlai trades time for time and sometimes btc trickle in. that is all, since this conversation doesn't seem to be helping anybody anymore
adlai: 'tank'
adlai is more of a mechanic than he'd like, something something for insects
adlai: !down
adlai: !down adlai
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:32:25; ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it.
assbot: ELI5: "Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to copy every single coffee purchase on everyone's computer?" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9nUDx )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is epic.
mircea_popescu: are all the imbeciles answering actually davout's alt accounts ?
mircea_popescu: because this is just too fucking good lmao, like self-building comedy goldcube.
mircea_popescu: "oh, isn't it inefficient to buy everyone a cup"
BingoBoingo: comedy hypergoldcube
mircea_popescu: [–]solled [score hidden] 26 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to manufacture a paper cup for everyone's coffee? That would be millions of paper cups per day, only to be used once. Coffee will never work.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile disappeared, in my stale page.
mircea_popescu: that's the logic of the great internet nation of teh phillipines!
BingoBoingo: For serious. I should totally move there. Would be great for de-USing my brain all of this other stupidity.
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: philippines is ~preview of near future usa~
mircea_popescu: nah, argentina is.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Nah, it is like Australia alt USA lab
mircea_popescu: phillipines is preview of future of china in an alt-world where the us didn't go to shit.
ascii_butugychag: argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: They are pretty much all on one island
BingoBoingo: It's Indonesia where they are spread about
mircea_popescu: depends on your perception.
mircea_popescu: people were happy historically in all sorts of environments.
BingoBoingo: Cambodia seemed interesting, but dunno how I feel about multidrug resistant P. Falciprum
ascii_butugychag: that's the thing. ^ pisshole status is quite objectice.
ascii_butugychag: *objective
mircea_popescu: how come you fail to identify argentina then ?
ascii_butugychag: because it is a function of two inputs, the traveller and the destination.
mircea_popescu: so then how is it objective ?!
mircea_popescu: relativistic objectivity ?
ascii_butugychag: mathematics!111
ascii_butugychag is perpetrating this horror on the other side of desk, it is difficult to fully contain
polarbeard: neat, I'm using 'relativistic objectivity' in my next discussion for sure.
jurov 's bitcoind segfaults in sha256_block_data_order, after properly and completely wiping out stack... now trying gdb's record&replay for first time
ascii_butugychag: jurov: this from mod6's patch?!
jurov: no, from my own mempool patch
jurov: ascii_butugychag: how big slowdown is that?
jurov: !up ascii_butugychag
jurov: should i leave it overnight?
jurov: (original crashes after a minute)
ascii_butugychag: jurov: considerable. the thing probably won't keep time.
ascii_butugychag: but it doesn't hurt to try.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << more sipa than everyone else combined?
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png
punkman: also surprised that Gavin didn't write more lines than Satoshi
BingoBoingo: Why would infestation coordinator need to write many lines himself?
mircea_popescu: he did some vocal "community organizing" work at first, but..
mircea_popescu: sipa dumped tons and tons of code, most of which is shit.
mircea_popescu: !s gauss notebook
assbot: 0 results for 'gauss notebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gauss+notebook
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen to recall where the original thread was ?
mircea_popescu: in "the logs"
mircea_popescu: ah tis found ty.
asciilifeform home in record time - because usg was closed, no cars...
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:12:13; asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange
asciilifeform: ah he found it, nm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51357 @ 0.00055653 = 28.5817 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: "No Cost" License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Mobile Debt Collectors and Data Miners | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/203c7hd )
punkman: "The government agency in turn gives Vigilant access to information about all its outstanding court fees, which the company then turns into a hot list to feed into the free ALPR systems. As police cars patrol the city, they ping on license plates associated with the fees. The officer then pulls the driver over and offers them a devil’s bargain: get arrested, or pay the original fine with an
punkman: extra 25% processing fee tacked on, all of which goes to Vigilant."
polarbeard: sex between gov and corp is incest
mircea_popescu: ty asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: !up srijan
mircea_popescu: you can talk in here.
srijan: thanks mircea_popescu
srijan: hi everyone, I am a PhD student and I am looking for some help regarding the WoT network used here. Who should I be talking to ?
mircea_popescu: well, this is the best place, ask your question ?
srijan: is there any information about rating changes and rating deletions anywhere?
mircea_popescu: yes, it's in the log.
mircea_popescu: !s from:assbot rated
assbot: 154 results for 'from:assbot rated' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+rated
mircea_popescu: see also
mircea_popescu: !s from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"
assbot: 123 results for 'from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+%22+Successfully+updated+the+rating%22
srijan: okay
srijan: so the wot here: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/ is the current snapshot?
assbot: Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN8AOJ )
mircea_popescu: i would expect so. see also http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/
assbot: WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )
srijan: is the btcalpha wot and btc-assets wot the same thing?
srijan: *are the
srijan: ah i see
srijan: what should I search for deletion of rating?
mircea_popescu: deletions per se are rare. generally people just replace.
srijan: alrighty
srijan: thanks!
mircea_popescu: but you can see
mircea_popescu: !s unrate
assbot: 134 results for 'unrate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=unrate
srijan: great thanks!
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, do you still consider Bitcoin OTC WoT (not assbot WoT) important to the Bitcoin community or not more?
mircea_popescu: i don't really use it.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, that's why I asked you. But why?
mircea_popescu: well, i like this one better, what can i say.
felipelalli: In this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 is very inspiring to me, and you said at that time that Bitcoin OTC WoT was very important. You don't think so anymore or the assbot WoT fully meets? For a new Bitcoin business, the OTC WoT is still important?
assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli i do think it's very important, yes.
danielpbarron: the b-a WoT is the same as the one in that post; the fork happened afterwards
felipelalli: thank you mircea_popescu! danielpbarron, yes, I remember, I was here when this fork was made. I remember some conversation about gribble being too much offline and another bot was necessary. Am I wrong?
felipelalli: Not another bot, but another WoT, sorry.
danielpbarron: something like that; and I personally prefer assbot's authentication method to gribble's
mircea_popescu: what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement.
danielpbarron: idk if it finally got fixed but it was the case that all someone needed to do was compromise your irc client and they could hijack your WoT identity
mircea_popescu: there was some talk about harmonizing the two, but i don't think the guy has any time to be doing maintenance, or any interest for that matter, so...
mircea_popescu: there are specific choices in how gribble handles security that were expedient for a long time, but no longer acceptable, so it'd have to be rewritten. until it isn't, i would think it more like a play sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: decent to learn on, i suppose.
felipelalli: like the session in gribble, I guess.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
assbot: [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN9kDm )
asciilifeform: ^^^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
mircea_popescu: iinteresting
asciilifeform: i forgot to put the skull and crossbones in there
asciilifeform: but please DO NOT USE in battlefield ! this or the next bit. it is for laboratory only !
felipelalli: asciilifeform, I didn't have too much time yet to explore this project and your work but I follow far with twinkle in my eyes. Congrats!
asciilifeform: felipelalli: this piece is just a lemma for the bigger thing
asciilifeform: it doesn't do anything at all on its own.
mircea_popescu: 1.41, reasonably recent too
felipelalli: asciilifeform, I am trying to learn the whole thing yet. But I had to pause it.
felipelalli: But I loved the idea to integrate WoT on it!
mircea_popescu: ok, this i gotta quote.
mircea_popescu: +/* ADJ is enough slack to align cells in a TYPE_BITS-bit boundary */
mircea_popescu: +#define ADJ 32
mircea_popescu: +#define TYPE_BITS 5
mircea_popescu: +#define T_MASKTYPE 31 /* 0000000000011111 */
mircea_popescu: +#define T_SYNTAX 4096 /* 0001000000000000 */
mircea_popescu: +#define T_IMMUTABLE 8192 /* 0010000000000000 */
mircea_popescu: +#define T_ATOM 16384 /* 0100000000000000 */ /* only for gc */
mircea_popescu: +#define CLRATOM 49151 /* 1011111111111111 */ /* only for gc */
mircea_popescu: +#define MARK 32768 /* 1000000000000000 */
mircea_popescu: +#define UNMARK 32767 /* 0111111111111111 */
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is with gc
asciilifeform: the comment on T_ATOM is a lie, it is used for the predicate is_atom and in a bunch of places
asciilifeform: clratom is a negated mask that is used to un-atom something, which only happens during the mark cycle of gc
mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened
asciilifeform: if you really want to know how this thing works, i recommend reading minischeme (the smaller item this was based on)
asciilifeform: i've carried a copy around with me for most of a decade.
asciilifeform: it is spiffy.
asciilifeform: (but unfortunately not usable for this experiment, lacks support for i/o 'ports' and, more importantly, arrays)
asciilifeform: japanese, circa '89
adlai: srijan: fwiw it is possible to update ratings in private message, and afaik the only person who can give you the full data on thata is kakobrekla
adlai: !up srijan
adlai: asciilifeform: so tabs vs spaces was not bad enough, and we also need lisp-1 vs lisp-2 in Bitcoin?
asciilifeform: afaik, tinyscheme is currently the smallest (in re: complexity) standards-compliant (mostly) schematron in the world
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ok, ok. i take it back.
srijan: thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that?
mircea_popescu: think for a second srijan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it cites knuth, note, if you wanna know how the gc goes.
mircea_popescu: algorithm E
adlai: mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think further details beyond what i just deeded is relevant for this forum, or any other, except perhaps a court convened in my honor by the relevant mob.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea this stuff was even deployed anywhere.
mircea_popescu: adlai me either.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Tarantino Terminal State ; also known as Gauss' Queasiness in a different field. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-tarantino-terminal-state-also-known-as-gauss-queasiness-in-a-different-field/
adlai: it's worth noting that towards the end of NCO training we had a lecture (by a shrink/officer hybrid) about the most effective way to prevent PTSD before the T is even Ped, which is, unintuitively, immediate debriefing.
adlai: given the forum and audience - more words in one ear and out the other
asciilifeform: adlai: in american army - ketamine.
asciilifeform: (not sure if this is 'official' method, but it was being tested a few years back, and a reserve grunt confirmed it when i asked)
adlai: (/= prevent treat mitigate etc)
adlai: dissos help with depression to some dubious degree. i'm not convinced this'll prove long-term to be more reliable a cure than "ceremony helps with personal growth", modulo shamans
mircea_popescu: "The McCulloch-Pitts neuron worked by inputting either a 1 or 0 for each of the inputs, where 1 represented true and 0 false. "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is so not how neurons work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and airplanes don't flap ! newz at 11 !
mircea_popescu: this is fucking endearing.
mircea_popescu: seriously, "1 and 0" ?
mircea_popescu: this is my new favourite man-hammer example
asciilifeform: anyway it was 1/0 time weight
mircea_popescu: if only neurons were disctrete logic gates. a) i'd feel much better about nature being an idiot ; b) i wouldn't be around to figure that one out anyway.
asciilifeform: (it is interesting to consider how nn became useful only when it ~entirely~ dropped the pretense of biomimeticism - where in nature do you find backpropagation !!!???)
asciilifeform: sorta how airplane became a thing when folks quit trying to flap wings.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to it. romanian expression to denote that dubious state when a previously intelligent, middle class fellow is going irrecoverably nuts is, "ii fileaza o lampa".
mircea_popescu: the noun refers directly to an old style glass diode
mircea_popescu: the verb, a fila, describes the careful, discreet look a poker player gives his card, as well as transitional and usually undesired processes in diodes.
mircea_popescu: this is how fucking neurons work : like electronics burning off.
asciilifeform: except that electronics don't extend tendrils (cruddy euro lead-free solder excepted...)
mircea_popescu: no, because they explode.
mircea_popescu: if they were less brissant they would.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43196 @ 0.00055346 = 23.9073 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: incidentally, unless i deeply misunderstand something, backpropagation is botyh found in nature and introduced in nn on an offshot hoped to better mimic.
asciilifeform: absolutely not.
mircea_popescu: which part ?
asciilifeform: backpropagation is when you train the net by taking the errors and working backwards, 'punishing' the weights which produced it proportionately.
asciilifeform: roughly speaking.
mircea_popescu: this actually happens.
assbot: A Step by Step Backpropagation Example – Matt Mazur ... ( http://bit.ly/1nObnLK )
mircea_popescu: for instance sight is based on it : neurons that produce less valuable output are inhibited by the ones producing the better output.
asciilifeform: aha but (as far as anybody knows) it does not methodically propagate through whole brain.
mircea_popescu: so in a field of 3x3 you won't get equal output from all 9 but usually most of the input from just one
mircea_popescu: well ignorance is a poor argument, but we know for a fact something like it is at work in perception selection
asciilifeform: the idea is not entirely unbiological, but is about as related to what meat does as the wings of a 747 are to a bird's.
BingoBoingo: Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro
mod6: Update: Testing & Finalizing changes on V [v99996]
mod6: will update the build script that we've all been using (as referenced by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) too.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 392.43, vol: 6521.08086997 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.337, vol: 4683.98498 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.92, vol: 12911.77321324 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 395.694, vol: 34202.76930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.95, vol: 621.97011415 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.550863989, vol: 28.48649467 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.404465355
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2603.98, vol: 34143.83700000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2603.98
BingoBoingo: FEDS CAPTURE BUNDY?!
BingoBoingo: Bahamas meme omitted from latest qntra because srs bsns
BingoBoingo: !Up felipelalli
deedbot-: [Qntra] Militia Hero Killed, Ammon Bundy And Others Captured - http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-hero-killed-ammon-bundy-and-others-captured/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14604 @ 0.00054748 = 7.9954 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So feds violently capture the bundy brothers and 5 other people to what exactly? Make the hundred or so other armed militiament raise their guard?
adlai: but this is greatly reassuring, it suggests usg will build coke machines regardless of their EV signum, saving worried folks the trouble of proving it one way or the other
adlai: let us hope for wiser tyrants tomorrow.
assbot: Bitcoin Bitcoin Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1lQAbBa )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja think they had some magical elixir to magic away usg ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seemed to be working for the Elder Bundy in Nevada
asciilifeform: the single corpse suggests that they plugged the fella keeping night watch and picked up the rest in their pajamas.
Duffer1: it was tarpman
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They were apparently in transit hence the small number of rebels accounted for
asciilifeform: anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start.
Duffer1: hhe no doubt
Duffer1: call me when they hit the building
asciilifeform: just as when tim mcveigh 'declared civil war'
BingoBoingo: Sums to crater in OK city
Duffer1: wasn't he solo though?
mod6: Terry Nichols
Duffer1: dudes death is really bad for hopes of peaceful resolution with remainder of militia
asciilifeform: so they'll have a not-quite-peaceful one.
asciilifeform: big fat whoop.
BingoBoingo: in not-peaceful end USG does have to run money printer for life insurance on its instruments
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