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BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
mod6: yesterday
BingoBoingo: Nah, need more Hodl first
BingoBoingo: Also friendlier locals to work with
mod6: there are dams already, there is one I was just looking at in minneapolis while standing outside in -20 weather. looked reasonable to me! haha.
BingoBoingo: Those dams are weak though. I'm talking south of the Ohio river confluence
assbot: Hennepin Island Hydroelectric Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMqhxX )
mod6: ah, yah, im sure bigger and better ones would be a good thing, at some point.
mod6: around here, and especially in southern MN & all over Iowa they have HUGE wind turbines in place.
BingoBoingo: I'm talking make 3 gorges look like Hennepin island
assbot: Wind power in Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMquRG )
mod6: apparently 5688 MW in '14
mod6 looks @ 3 gorges
BingoBoingo: If Bitcoin needs half of ALL the watts it's going to have to happen
mod6: oh yeah, looking at that one, is huge.
mod6: anyway, yeah, it's been on my mind.
BingoBoingo: I figure 1993 flood level presents a decent reservoir target
mod6: yeah, there will be a time when discussions will start around a project like this.
BingoBoingo: Prolly around 2035
mats: what an ecological disaster
BingoBoingo: Not a disaster, would actually solve the mine subsidence problem in a lot of areas
mats: i'm not so sure the wildlife will agree
BingoBoingo: They'll move as they tend to do.
BingoBoingo imagines ghetto wildlife relocating to Portland where they tend to be welcomed
ben_vulpes: i am now apparently engaged in an exercise to determine what the oldest version of os x is that can be beaten into supporting software development
BingoBoingo: Why X? Why not VI, VII, VIII, or IX?
BingoBoingo: The others would probably get your shop mad hipster cred
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00056664 = 19.9457 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82890 @ 0.00056682 = 46.9837 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and his obsession with dead operating systems
ben_vulpes: in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven.
pete_dushenski: fwiw, alleged isis pgp-gram encrypted : https://archive.is/Ro4XZ and decrypted : https://archive.is/pY9BB
assbot: CZhwuXZWAAIQskQ.jpg:large (1023x1260 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpL8u )
assbot: CZhxu5dWEAcfIzo.jpg:large (1023x1114 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpIJT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89695 @ 0.00056357 = 50.5494 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: gnupg v2... tsk tsk.
pete_dushenski: someone has done their 6 months of log readings
pete_dushenski: *hasn't !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384621 << looks like this part of the message is... inside the message. so not pgptron's doing. still, why ? allahusnackbar only knows, but given that they're all probably mega-crypto noobs, it's not inconceivable to imagine this note's use case, even it seems beyond retarded to (i expect) everyone here.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 00:09:41; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and whose pgptron prints 'Decryption....'
pete_dushenski: and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384624 << for same reason our terrorism rantings and communiques are in english ?
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 00:10:21; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and why would message text be in english
danielpbarron: my gpg says they aren't even valid key ids
pete_dushenski: ah well then. maybe it was just another lulzy idea that was in fact a thinly veiled hatchet job. alas.
danielpbarron: i would think it's easier to make a real key and decrypt an actual message than to fake the whole thing in video editing but then again I have a dedicated gpg machine and not a video editing one. USG probably has the opposite
pete_dushenski: "first they came for isis for using pgp, but i did nothing. then they... oh wait. they couldn't so anything against isis anyways so what sort of nyooz is this!"
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: probably ? most definitely. like 100%.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 00:28:44; mircea_popescu: now a dog you can't trust!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36170 @ 0.00055724 = 20.1554 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'll have you know that in the cleaning I've done since last message I dusted a perfectly good machine capable of running OS 7, if only I'd plug in in and the caps haven't gone pop since October when I last plugged it in...
ben_vulpes: but will it compile boost?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385035 << this makes no sense. if your gf is a secretary and she moves from paper company (A) to another paper company (B) of the same size and just as far from home and for the same pay (but without that bitch midge from accounts payable), the paper industry will make no more "evil ghg", nor kill more fuzzy penguins or whatever it is you imagine anthropomorphised
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 05:10:05; mats: what an ecological disaster
pete_dushenski: disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decreasing the n
pete_dushenski: eed for so much supply, and in fact accelerating bitcoin's achievement of 51% of global supply at a ~lower~ total supply than at present.
BingoBoingo: Who needs boost when you have the full expressive power of motorola 68k assembly?
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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: will, say, 10.4 compile boost ?
pete_dushenski: on ppc !
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: heh okay you got a laugh out of me with that
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i determined tonight that 10.6 is entirely unuseable
assbot: Boost - Build - Cross compile Boost library (Thread, System) for PowerPC ... ( http://bit.ly/1OIT5nW )
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: With same language you can program the two best portable computers ever. The TI-89 and the TI-92
ben_vulpes: os 10 is an operating system for today, not forever
ben_vulpes: !s 100 year editor
assbot: 0 results for '100 year editor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=100+year+editor
ben_vulpes: !s quality without a name
assbot: 0 results for 'quality without a name' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quality+without+a+name
ben_vulpes: that's a classic, i'm a bit surprised.
pete_dushenski: well, os 11 will be i/os 11 if my convergening line estimator is accurate. so i'll stick with 10 for now :P
ben_vulpes: is that a head and shoulders or death cross or some other technical trading thing?
pete_dushenski: it's the dead steve bounce
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There won't be an 11 or an XI. The branding isn't as good as X
ben_vulpes: haw haw haw
ben_vulpes: x11 is best x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44241 @ 0.00055724 = 24.6529 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 01:30:26; *: asciilifeform observes that this thread has already taken up more space than the patch.
BingoBoingo: Soon on fox news: "The lead developer of Bitcoin arrested for drug charges" >> https://archive.is/y7Wjv#selection-4251.0-4251.75
assbot: Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1niRThM )
BingoBoingo: lulz from #bitcoin-otc-ratings: <gribble> Rating removed | phantomcircuit > -10 > jason | criminal, stole from coinbase
punkman: loltoomim "What languages do you work in, what's your background in CS?" "I use all languages" "You can't use all languages!" "Well I dunno, I haven't used Haskell or OCaml, but everything else I can think of..."
fluffypony: truly one of the great minds of this generation
fluffypony: clearly his language preference is BrainFuck
punkman: he's improving Coffeescript these days
deedbot-: [Qntra] Mass Ransomware Strike Hits Millions Of Indian Computers - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mass-ransomware-strike-hits-millions-of-indian-computers/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty danielpbarron
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: this girl in MO was telling me she works at a place that forces windows use. Someone is hit with ransomware weekly.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah
BingoBoingo: At least
danielpbarron: someone recently asked me if i wanted to sell bitcoin to someone hit by one of those things
danielpbarron: i said no
thestringpuller: so bitcoin has directly monetized malware
BingoBoingo: best to avoid that poison pill
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You piece is going up as soon as I harmonize some of the vocabulary.
danielpbarron: yeah please do; i can't believe it's 4 my brain is fried
thestringpuller: pre-bitcoin you'd invest in setting up botnet and then monetize the botnet. seems now just put that money into ransomware instead of the botnet.
danielpbarron: i turned down the offer to sell coin, not because of where it would go so much as because I don't know a reliable way to replentish my stock (I haven't used coinbase in a long while)
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: have you tried anyone in web of trust?
danielpbarron: i have but not recently on that one either
thestringpuller: do you use coinbr?
thestringpuller: if you can get jurov euros he can get you X.EUR if you are coinbr customer. i'd inquiry with him.
danielpbarron: eeenteresting i might know a euro connect although i doubt it
BingoBoingo: Maybe just get Jurov a duffel bag full of Euros? Everyone needs a vacation sometime.
deedbot-: [Qntra] ISIS/Snowden PGP Comedy - http://qntra.net/2016/01/isissnowden-pgp-comedy/
BingoBoingo: ^ danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: The piece's saving grace is that it was short and thorough.
danielpbarron: that's my style heh
punkman: ;;nethash
gribble: 990495801.597
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You know if you could do 10 of these 120 word things a month that would be 1200 s.qntr which are redeemable for...
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin at a market determined rate
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0003073 / 0.00031877 / 0.00035095 (10852 shares, 3.46 BTC)
thestringpuller: bids are at 23k satoshi right now
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.00023000 * 1200
gribble: 0.276
thestringpuller: mpex investors seem to love paying qntra contributors, so it's doing something right.
BingoBoingo: Maybe next year or five years from now we get a revenue in excess of hosting that allows for dividends? Who knows? The future is full of mysteries!
thestringpuller: well ad's prove to have high CTR, just need a little conversions sprinkled on that and who knows
thestringpuller: ^- the one that was on qntra sometime last year
thestringpuller: iirc had higher click-thru than most of web
BingoBoingo: I dunno how much to bank on that. The web is ever changing
thestringpuller: digital marekting will likely implode before the next decade. look at the overvaluation of coindesk and coin telegraph where the revenue is entirely that.
thestringpuller: qntra's future will reveal itself in due time. it's quickly growing, and still young.
BingoBoingo: Well now Coindesk lives as this undead thing entirely subsumed to Barry Silber and operated by his mouthpiece Ryan 'TwoBitIdiot' Selkis
BingoBoingo: Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined.
thestringpuller: i haven't seen a broncos superbowl since i was elementary school methinks
BingoBoingo: Same here.
BingoBoingo: Looks like Brady fell apart in this likely last Brady/Peyton Manning matchup. Which is surprising because Peyton himself is barely alive for charitable definitions of alive.
thestringpuller: lol i remember when the falcons played the broncos in the superbowl, and we actually thought we stood a chance.
thestringpuller: lol manning was drafted when I was in middle school
thestringpuller: my how time flies.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00055591 = 13.9606 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/5kUV5d3.jpg << dunno if joke or real. "Lets turn bitcoin development over to coinbase!" look at what democracy gets you people. srsly, wtf.
thestringpuller: already selling out to corporations and they didn't even need lobbyist this time!
BingoBoingo: lol, Or Coinbase just signing all those votes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101500 @ 0.0005558 = 56.4137 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up p15
assbot: World's Oldest Torrent Is Still Being Shared After 4,419 Days - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnCQgE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78230 @ 0.00055668 = 43.5491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 673 @ 0.00267606 = 1.801 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055376 = 27.2311 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: danielpbarron(and other folks in my WoT): we're using transferwise, works quick and swell so far. For N euro that arrives to my account you get N/1.02 x.eur, discount possible if you can commit to schedule.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115505 @ 0.00055668 = 64.2993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00055714 = 23.7899 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64574 @ 0.00055331 = 35.7294 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00055283 = 15.2305 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 04:47:39; *: BingoBoingo once he completes the re-reading list would like to publish a book, or at least a lecture series title "The Will To Hodl"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385027 << cool, 5GW over their lifetime will be just enough to cover the energy cost of hauling in replacements.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 05:04:25; mod6: apparently 5688 MW in '14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00055271 = 16.9129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00055775 = 17.7922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19399 @ 0.00055775 = 10.8198 BTC [+]
assbot: Flint Residents Told That Their Children Could Be Taken Away If They Don’t Pay For City's Poison Water ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJqdTN )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29322 @ 0.00055988 = 16.4168 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hopefuly taken away to a new prison built in a neighbouring town ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00056168 = 24.9667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100400 @ 0.00055576 = 55.7983 BTC [-] {3}
deedbot-: [Trilema] Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. - http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/
assbot: The Journal of Craptology Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJzHOP )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19284 @ 0.00056227 = 10.8428 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: At 83 I decided to develop an app — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJApf3 )
asciilifeform: punkman: lulzy. i played what appears to be this game as a boy.
asciilifeform: (and i find it very strange that an adult would play a solitaire, it seems like a serious symptom of 'has no theorems to prove')
punkman: popular with office drones
asciilifeform: also from the link it looks as if he 'produced' it rather than actually wrote anything
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
punkman: I also don't get why i's on medium
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, it is exactly 'tumblr' but hasn't yet been cemented in reputation for hosting rabid pheminists etc
asciilifeform: and therefore fashionable.
punkman: why is the journal of craptology full of song videos?
asciilifeform: ask it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385180 << i find it interesting that this (entirely plausible, i am directly familiar with an almost identical case involving sewers) incident is only reported in a rag which also covers 'chemtrails'
assbot: Bug 1300237 – CVE-2016-2053 kernel: Kernel panic and system lockup by triggering BUG_ON() in public_key_verify_signature() ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJFPGR )
asciilifeform: punkman: ahahaha use moar usg standardz!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mega-unsurprise. << this "everyone can do it - you could be next - make 10 gazillion renting out the space inside your nose" narrative must be driven!!1
mircea_popescu: <punkman> I also don't get why i's on medium << because that's what altman's qntra is called.
asciilifeform: in what sense is it a qntra ?
asciilifeform: is nyt a qntra? volkischer beobachter ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like the nigger-death of a naive white libtard is only covered by rags that also cover all sorts of other race insanities.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00055205 = 24.0142 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense everyone's mp. aspirational sense.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385046 << what's the difference between that universe and this ? (entirely innocent quesiton, i never used os-apple)
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 05:49:50; ben_vulpes: in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven.
asciilifeform: 7 was a product of the actual apple co. (vs rebranded 'next')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00055296 = 12.6904 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i.e. not a unix
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 06:20:57; pete_dushenski: and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value)
asciilifeform: on the same planet where gpg prints 'Decrypting......'
mircea_popescu: is this some new utf ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform watch that some towelhead with a quart of brie between his legs stole some code and did the usual "i am 15 yo coder and i can replace strings" thing to it.
asciilifeform: and H ?
mircea_popescu: in principle you can fuck up base64.
mircea_popescu: satoshi did...
mircea_popescu: make it base-snackbar, why not.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/cL3TM << moar via qntra piece
assbot: Edward Snowden on Twitter: "Journos: The #ISIS video's "encrypted email" is confirmed fake. If any official responds as if it's real, push back. https://t.co/fKHAAk1SAa" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJDfJO )
mircea_popescu: "is confirmed". who confirmed ?
mircea_popescu: this is like "i am officially the king of caspiar"
punkman: someone on twitter extracted some valid partial gpg packet that said DBC2E82BB763CF80
asciilifeform: all this aside, the thing is entirely indistinguishable from the most idiotic imaginable fake.
mircea_popescu: this much is true.
asciilifeform: wake me up when they have captured nato soldiers write the pubkey out in the sand with the blood of own severed hands.
asciilifeform: on camera.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's totally what i did o.O
asciilifeform: and then same, layed out using heads.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had the tits thing. similar !
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 07:08:57; pete_dushenski: disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decr
mircea_popescu: first off birds don't just move. they're more adverse to living the swamp they for no good reason call home than alf is. and for the other, demand doesn't create scarcity, that whole branch's not even wrong.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let us remind at this juncture that various blathering imbeciles, such as that dude from coinbase, or that dude from the nsa, or that other dude from the nsa, or that other derp "supported" this raging lunacy.
mircea_popescu: ask them next you see them at one of their inept "conferences", sprouting with unwarranted cockyness whatev er bullshit, what happened of their support for this ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ". The petrified paper pushers, afraid that actual strong cryptography might catch on among the cattle caste, has sent their favorite stooge to discredit the event." << have sent
mircea_popescu: also spurious paragraph break after 1st note
mircea_popescu: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/internet/fear-and-loathing-in-the-bitcoin-world << bitcoin's formal governing body is amused at the wanna-be's posturing.
assbot: Bitcoin Needs (Gasp!) Formal Governance - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJXez4 )
mircea_popescu: what is ieee again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: american standards org.
mod6: mircea_popescu: hey thanks for working up the math on the wind power. yeah, looks like that was pretty moronic.
mod6: especially if you can get 4x as much from hydroelectric
mod6: i think one thing thats interesting about alternatives to dams or nuclear is that its less of a central target for sabotage or attack.
mod6: i dunno.
mod6: hmmm.
mod6: more study required.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005523 = 30.4317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00055191 = 16.0054 BTC [-]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: oh boy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109536 @ 0.00055189 = 60.4518 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: toomim meltdown << it was hilarious to listen to, cuz he is just like "I'ma stoned. Hue hue hue. I developed consider.it and we gonna use it to fix bitcoin governance problems, cuz like democracy is the shit. And it like works."
thestringpuller: This is why you shouldn't give penniless hippies any nice things ever, cause they will break those nice things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47720 @ 0.00055296 = 26.3873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94500 @ 0.00055189 = 52.1536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00055496 = 36.7295 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: ;;nethash
gribble: 1001325385.12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00055159 = 32.7644 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38398 @ 0.00055622 = 21.3577 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'This one, however, is different from the rest. The person throwing dirt over the coffin last week was not an outsider, as has most often been the case. It was not some mainstream economist who just “doesn’t get it.” It was not a misinformed journalist fishing for clicks. It was Mike Hearn, a former Google developer, the guy who wrote the first java implementation of Bitcoin. He’s a regular presence at conferences and
asciilifeform: a tireless educator of Bitcoin novices. And his most passionate vituperations were aimed at the people he is now leaving behind. Bitcoin failed, he wrote, “because the community has failed.”'
asciilifeform: this is just precious.
mircea_popescu: mod6> more study required. << yeah, up until a spinning blade worth 50 tons comes off the fucking 200 foot tall mount.
mircea_popescu: that'll be some pretty epic action movie.
mircea_popescu: "MegaDreidel on the Highway - 7"
asciilifeform: iirc the trend is towards large farms of small propellers
mircea_popescu: hearn is more of an outsider than most outsiders.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i gave a rather low-end typical.
mircea_popescu: ge sold 100's of k's of that one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the simple proof that wind is purely for show - so that soviet citizen sees it and is impressed with the usg, just like the red army red square parades of otherwise useless missiles - rather than for energy is that the one place where you should have them (tierra del fuego) doesn't have them.
mircea_popescu: by the time you've run out of everything ELSE that has better wind and are putting them in MN the world is half-full of wind turbines.
asciilifeform: there is another interpretation that does not actually contradict this one
asciilifeform: which is that photovoltaic and wind are preparations for what orlov called 'boutique economy'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the representational needs of the usg are exactly highest in MN as opposed to say alaska. because THAT is the true fronteer atm, separating the bundys from the bahamases.
asciilifeform: where there is no grid
mircea_popescu: ie, survivalist enough to pull a bundy, populated enough to really hurt if it does.
asciilifeform: but titled nobility have something like a 20th century existence
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: electricity DOES NOT work without the grid.
mircea_popescu: this neatly mirrors our previous discussion, where you were holding that "all civilisation depends on mass market". that much is false.
asciilifeform: entirely without - does not.
mircea_popescu: however, smaller parts of it - such as electricity, DO in fact depend on grid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106827 @ 0.00056238 = 60.0774 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: sorta like "carnot engine does not work without atmosphere". in fact that's exactly it.
asciilifeform: but the preparations are for a 'grid lite', a la pyongyang
asciilifeform: where there is grid, for 2-3 hrs/day
asciilifeform: for folks to watch propaganda channel during.
mircea_popescu: without a diffuse network to lose into, electricity is a hair raising proposition
mircea_popescu: seems improbable, but what am i gonna say.
mircea_popescu: no political system survives that sort of "4 hours a day" bs.
asciilifeform: why not ?
asciilifeform: plenty of turd world pissholes 'function' on 0 hrs.
mircea_popescu: because my slaves obey me 24/7, and that leaves 20hours/day unoccupied for the cattle.
asciilifeform: and pyongyang is still there
mircea_popescu: they'll migrate to the system of full occupancy.
mircea_popescu: pyongyang is still there at incredible sino-usg expenditure.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna do that for the us, martians ?
mircea_popescu: nobody cares enough.
mircea_popescu: you'll notice that "third world pissholes" don't function in the sense of "person mp doesn't like vacations there".
asciilifeform: at any rate, my observation was re: what usg ~thinks~ it is doing when supporting crackpot energy wunderwaffen
asciilifeform: rather than the likely result
asciilifeform: the economics of wunderwaffen are a fascinating mixture of crackpottery, legit invention, and lunatic desperation
asciilifeform: i've been reading a ru treatise on mines (the kind that undermined castle walls, and the kind that explode, rather than the kind where dwarves toil)
asciilifeform: and there was an interesting bit about how germany switched to producing the obsolete and suicidally unstable trinitrophenol in 1944
asciilifeform: instead of civilized brissant explosives (e.g., trinitrotoluene, hexagen, etc)
asciilifeform: historians like to expound on the 'sexy' wunderwaffen, rather than this.
asciilifeform: but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing.
asciilifeform: and we are likely to see recognizable riffs on this theme as usg rockets along its path to the bunker of '45.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that'll be some pretty epic action movie. << haha, yah. oh well.
asciilifeform: desperation, cheap hacks, disaster, rinse & repeat
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mod6: MN has 3 nuclear powerplants apparently.
mod6: Must have figured it was a cheaper alternative. *shrug* They might have some others that run on coal or oil even? Not sure.
mod6: 4 Coal, 3 Hydroelectric, 1 Natgas, 3 Nuclear and 2 windfarm
assbot: Category:Power stations in Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNCVMY )
mod6: i can see the natgas one from my office.
thestringpuller: i love natgas
thestringpuller: powered by farts
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jurov: hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy.
kakobrekla: the mud that the hydro dams collect is not toxic but much needed nutrients for plants down the stream
jurov: .. in the rare cases there is no industry upstream
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kakobrekla: well they would still get that in either case
jurov: since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose
jurov: while contributing measly 1% to nation's electrcity supply
jurov: (and another 3% thanks to Danube)
kakobrekla: newer dams are actually built in a way that flushes that sediments periodically, they fucked it up on the Nile tho.
assbot: dpaste: 19JPBPT ... ( http://bit.ly/1OK8btr )
jurov: we are 53% nuclear, and another 2 blocks are in development, <joke>it should result in cheapest electricity around</joke>
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PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing. << quite very much so. and tlp's "frantic activity as a cover for impotence" explains a lot of it.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 02:43:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg
mircea_popescu: anyway. picric acid at least is more stable than guncotton, the golden standard of "oops, we fired our cannon there goes the ship" application
asciilifeform: jp lost more than one ship to own 'shimoza' (trinitrophenol) shell magazines
asciilifeform: and ru navy had only picrin (on account of tnp having killed their top armaments designer, when he experimented personally) and to this is often attributed the loss in 1907
mircea_popescu: jurov this slander re hydro is not unlike saying sex leads to saggy boobs.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose << this may be, but on the other hand romania exists as an industrial power rather than an argentinian farm shithole strictly because of massive hydro power developments post ww2
asciilifeform: PeterL: yes. also known as the 'lunge mine'. it had no delay fuse at all!
mircea_popescu: sex leads to saggy boobs : saggy boobs are seen in all females after 20-30 years of fucking, if not earlier.
asciilifeform: there is an interesting clip somewhere on the net of the vietnamese army, some time in the era of ho chi minh, marching around proudly with these (presumably captured from jp forces in ww2)
asciilifeform: the message, presumably, being 'we will die gloriously'
PeterL: I guess the question is, does it work?
mircea_popescu: not by itself, no.
asciilifeform: PeterL: dunno, never tried personally
asciilifeform: if you can get close enough to the tank - any tank, even modern one - it will work great...
PeterL: and user is not harmed by device?
asciilifeform: the pegs are standoffs - shaped charge requires them
asciilifeform: user - dies.
asciilifeform: i thought this was pretty clear.
mircea_popescu: not modern ones, at least not the ones with the active armor additions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sufficiently large shaped charge blows a hole through whatever.
PeterL: I dunno, I'm not that familliar with shaped charges
jurov: yes it helped romania. how does it invalidate the argument?
mircea_popescu: through whatever passive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in any case that's what the ~second~ hit is for
mircea_popescu: jurov the saggy tits thing invalidates the 'argument' such as it is.
mircea_popescu: the bit of history just mopped off whatever surviving bits left around
jurov: romania has pointy tits. and?
mircea_popescu: uh. are you being purposefully thick ?
mircea_popescu: the hydro plant has exactly nothing to do with pollutants upstream.
jurov: i think you are
jurov: on one hand, you say hydro was developed because of industry
mircea_popescu: so on one hand your argument is logically unsound, and on the other hand the benefit of hydro is certain.
jurov: on other hand you handwave the pollution away
mircea_popescu: equating pollution and industry is not unlike equating homosexuality and poor hygiene.
jurov: yeees? where clean industry exists?
jurov: in your head.
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mircea_popescu: how do you define "clean" ? if you meaqn absolutely clean, not only does not such industry exist, but in point of fact no such hygiene exists either.
jurov: that was not my point. i wanted to say, there are cubic kilometers of liabilities likely to happen
mircea_popescu: well, look at it the other way : maybe it finally provides the much needed impetuus to force the polluters upstream to clean up their act.
jurov: maybe.
mircea_popescu: if there's nothing but textile mill on the veh, textile mill gets to poison the river.
mircea_popescu: if there's both mill and hydro plant, well... finally ecoregulations can be forced on the mill. and if it doesn't like it... fuck you, move to germany.
mircea_popescu: we'll live off of selling electricity to you there.
assbot: Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlkqOC )
mircea_popescu: anyway, re nuclear. while it is dirty in a certain way, it has an advantage nothing else does : it would work just as well with the sun turned off. this is a big deal, fundamentally. whether it means anything in practice or not... well...
mircea_popescu: (before you say "so do fossils" - think again. where do you get the oxygen ?)
mircea_popescu: contrary to aqll the brouhaha at the time, about how "mankind has found the way to end itself" bla bla, nothing could be further from the truth. nuclear power provides humanity a hard guarantee against large scale catastrophe that no other life has, nor could have without thios particular tech.
mircea_popescu: it quite literally represents security from thermodynamics, in a way very similar to how the bombs were marketed at the time to represent "Security from the enemies".
mircea_popescu: (and yes this has been tested in practice, it's not at all theoretical. nuclear subs are more important for THIS reason than whatever justified their existence at the time.)
jurov: 99% of nuclear is unusable without ample access to cooling water
mircea_popescu: sure. doesn't do much for this discussion.
mircea_popescu: if the sun does turn off, you'll have more ice than you'll know what to do with.
mod6: <+PeterL> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi << very true. the one we were discussing yesterday is at St. Anthonys Falls. Which apparently helped the city long ago get its start. Its not very big, and since they put in the dam, apparenlty this has eroded the origin
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
mod6: al falls away and now is back further?
mod6: Need to look this up quick.
mircea_popescu: also - the way nuclear is dirty is very peculiar. pollution in the sense of poison - kills everyone. pollution in the sense of nuclear leakeage - does not. it just shortens lifespan and increases the angle of attack at DNA research.
jurov: don't forget geothermal, better accessible and will keep working for millions of years
mircea_popescu: it does not present an actual species threat for any species.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, geothermal. in fact that'll be the competition in case of new ice age. nuclear vs geothermal.
mircea_popescu: would make a pretty splendid sf novel too.
mircea_popescu: (all this talk re new ice age is quite on point, incidentally. the crazed us cultists of pseudoscience are loudly proclaiming a narrative bluntly contradictory to the data. altogether more likely we're headed for cool.)
mod6: maybe im not quite right about the erosion, anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Anthony_Falls
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the picric acid... going anhydrous phenol + fuming sulphuric acid to get hydroxyphenylsulfonic acid and then fuming nitric acid on top of that... should be a fun little experiment :D
asciilifeform: allahsnackbar.jpg
mircea_popescu: just keep it cool, bruh.
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: I'm applying for a job in Portland, Oregon.
thestringpuller: We'll see how this goes!
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asciilifeform: zerocoin again ?
asciilifeform: https://z.cash/team.html << usg rogue's gallery
assbot: Zcash - Our Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2QUR )
asciilifeform: incl. our old 'friends', roger ver, and pantera co
thestringpuller: oh roger verified, is dat nigga even in WoT?
asciilifeform: https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark << the crypto lib the thing rides on, in case anybody gives half a shit
assbot: scipr-lab/libsnark - C++ - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuy1ch )
asciilifeform: (i can't bring myself to)
asciilifeform: holy fuck the academitardism.
asciilifeform: i am dealing with something quite similar on the other side of my desk, but folks ~pay~ on that side
assbot: zcash/depends/packages at zc.v0.11.2.latest · Electric-Coin-Company/zcash · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuyb38 )
asciilifeform: for fucks sake.
asciilifeform: why does it need ~both~ qt and x11 ?
punkman: why not
punkman: does PRB need dbus btw?
asciilifeform: no idea
asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it did
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also spurious paragraph break after 1st note << both fixed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing. << Reddit commnets were lulzy. Didn't sonsider anyone would try listening or operate a browser capable of listening.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy. << How is this different from the Mississippi river at present?
jurov: i am no mississippi expert
BingoBoingo: peterL, Just gotta raise the river then
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BingoBoingo: jurov: Every city's sewer and all the various indistry along it constantly pump weird shit into it.
jurov: BingoBoingo: it's different when it's continuously mixed and when it's allowed to settle down and concentrate
BingoBoingo: Well it already settles down and concentrates in the Gulf of Mexico. This would just move where it happens.
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jurov: In the Gulf of Mexico there's little change it will spill and kill everything downstream
BingoBoingo: Sure, in the gulf of Mexico it just makes big dead zones. Moving the mess upstream preserves tropical beaches while flooding ghetto
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BingoBoingo: In other lulz https://archive.is/LY9is and https://archive.is/W9HlJ << Delicious tears
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thestringpuller: thos were pretty lulzy
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mircea_popescu: heh look at all the kids that don't know better / derps nobody heard about coralled by pantera and advised by gavin & schmuckteam.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> does PRB need dbus btw? << it should, really.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << ideally, put it on a jack. "maybe i'll come down, maybe i won't. don't mess up my beer, man!"
thestringpuller: wasn't pantera a 90's metal band?
BingoBoingo: Well, if the dam is tall enough the Mississippi will fill up a good basin. Just gotta make 1993 flood the low water mark
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pantera 'capital' too.
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mircea_popescu: ok the 2nd BingoBoingo link was kinda lulzy.
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 20:47:02; BingoBoingo: Indictment: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/
mircea_popescu: in other news that are nevertheless more relevant to bitcoin than reddit will ever be, http://40.media.tumblr.com/21e7e3dfeb3aabebd8139cbb1937a3f8/tumblr_ni8bn65F111s5t2ojo1_500.jpg
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's trying to make joke about the band Pantera. RIP Dimebag
pete_dushenski used to listen to pantera, the band, a bit.
asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks
BingoBoingo: Happens from time to time
asciilifeform: not so cool, apparently these are no longer made
BingoBoingo: Surge protecting part is a wear item
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody ever gives a fuck about the oxide varistor, it does exactly nothing
asciilifeform: it's the switches that make that thing spiffy
asciilifeform: (it was the horizontal kind with individual togglers for each mains plug)
jurov: http://www.ethereumpyramid.com/ forget systemd. prb must support this!
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asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, now that zooko is coopted, and previously chaum, and who else,
asciilifeform: how many cryptographers even left ?
asciilifeform: bernstein ?
asciilifeform: (who exactly ~was~ zooko? known for anything other than 'triangle' aphorism ?)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: random question: what is your favorite video game?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'video' ?
thestringpuller: yes as in thing you put in computer with flashing lights and stuff that you play for fun
asciilifeform: ah so computer
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asciilifeform: ('video' where i live traditionally refers to game consoles that plug into tv)
thestringpuller: those too
asciilifeform: those i never had
thestringpuller: aha. I imagine you would be good at Real Time Strategy games.
asciilifeform: eh rts is a mouse-clicking contest
thestringpuller: Although I don't know anyone that can compete with the Koreans in Starcraft
asciilifeform: i much liked, e.g., civ1
thestringpuller: i can see you liking sid meiers' stuff
polarbeard: starcraft is more like real time chess, I'd say
polarbeard: and *also* a clicking contest
asciilifeform pictures realtime chess
thestringpuller: clicking contest only happens in micro.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 06:50:36; asciilifeform: reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs
thestringpuller: you have to keep the economy healthier than your enemies so you can outproduce them.
polarbeard: which is 60% of winning on starcraft
polarbeard: battling correctly is even more important than correct resource management
polarbeard: it allows you to have any chance against a zerg rush
thestringpuller: Can be. but if you win battle an opponent is still out producing, you can sway battle.
polarbeard: that's why, I say battling correctly is more important but not much more
thestringpuller: Best counter to zerg rush walling off
thestringpuller: the resources zerg has to put into a rush usually puts them at a defecit in mid game
polarbeard: best counter to zerg rush is correct drone battling
thestringpuller: only sometimes. cauze I can get a zealot to pop out within 1 minute of game
polarbeard: but zealot rush sucks against other race's rush
thestringpuller: you don't rush with zealots you stand guard. protoss is extremely good at defense.
polarbeard: marines will shot him dead from the distance
polarbeard: yes, but zealots are not ready when zerglings are
thestringpuller: 1 zealot can take out about 4 zerglings
thestringpuller: 2 can take out about 9
polarbeard: after the zerglings killed all the protos drones
thestringpuller: it's good form to put 1 cannon behind mineral field for rush
thestringpuller: which doesn't cap your resources in building zealots
polarbeard: you can't go for zealots and cannons and resist a zerg rush
polarbeard: if the map allows it, you may go for cannons and almost surely kill the rush, otherwise you better move those zealots damn well, as you move the drones out of the way
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thestringpuller: polarbeard: I probably need to watch more replays.
thestringpuller: I'm still new to SC2. I'm a WC3 player mostly. Was okay at SC but not any good by any means.
polarbeard: my very best friend is a top player, we played together since the beginning, but he became incredibly good and I stopped playing :)
polarbeard: I actually was referring to SC and SC brood wars
polarbeard: I have no idea of the SC2 mechanics
polarbeard: it probably got shittier/more complex/less fun/more spectacular
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385534 << 10 seconds and 5 seconds / move variants got quite popular.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:09:29; *: asciilifeform pictures realtime chess
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385558 << fuck you, go lose weight before you do anything else.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:14:47; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/OC3VflB.jpg
mircea_popescu: us "universities" should absoluely put bmi on the list of quals.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Standard in chess now is usually 5 or 10 seconds every move before time start coming off the main game clock.
mircea_popescu: they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo back when i still had a faint interest it was iirc 60 mins for 60 moves.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, now with the digital clocks they just do a time delay.
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mircea_popescu: either that or redditards learned a new word from yest's ba log.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: with whom?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: simple.com
thestringpuller: i'm going to go work for the banks!
ben_vulpes: good people over ther.
ben_vulpes: any idea what department?
thestringpuller: I'm applying to engineering. They just have general listings. So we'll see how it goes.
ben_vulpes: i'll buy you a beer and a blunt after your interview
thestringpuller: If I get to the interview process. I have no connections inside the company so i'm just a rando applying to the company.
PeterL: <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: but yea if I do get that far I'll take you up on that.
danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZlj99KUsAAKyaO.jpg:large << 'ass'ets from a twatter follower of mine
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:29:48; mircea_popescu: they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree"
asciilifeform: but at any rate hardly anybody gets fat in uni
asciilifeform: (this would require food)
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: notbad
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: everyone gets fat at uni ? "freshman 15"
thestringpuller: that's not real.
pete_dushenski: too busy to eat well and exercise because of studying
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pete_dushenski: it's very real
thestringpuller: usually it's the girls who get fat when they stop caring.
thestringpuller: had an ex who gained like 40 pounds during her duration in school
thestringpuller: cuz too lazy to go to gym
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam? << What else. Lots of ghetto to cover
PeterL: from BingoBoingo link to fat rant: "the look of horror that a thin, cis woman flashed me when she realized that she'd be sitting next to me" << What, a gay chick is going to be excited to cuddle up with fatty chunks for a couple hours? (and wtf is this text in image crap, can't even copy/paste!)
BingoBoingo: PeterL: It is a defect of their culture
PeterL: plus, this writing style really grates on me. I feel like I would hate her even if she was not fat.
thestringpuller: it's not fat it's curvy
PeterL: there is curvy, and fat. curvy is nice, fat is disgusting.
thestringpuller: i kno right. lets clean da folds!
thestringpuller: curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants.
mod6: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 17 06:02:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 24 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds.
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 36 seconds
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants. << Those asses come from squats, not Beetus
pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dear bitbet mods, please to close and resolve as yes.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.65 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 2 weeks | weight: 82`743 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )
pete_dushenski: looks like xt bet is now most highrollerest.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 09:53:38; BingoBoingo: Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined.
PeterL: https://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/ << newest bitbet - is there something particularly interesting about SC instead of NH or Iowa?
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary :: 0.39 B (78%) on Yes, 0.11 B (22%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 3 days | weight: 96`236 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Un5Xlb )
copypaste: i bet on the more general "Trump wins the nomination"
copypaste: on yes.
danielpbarron is the dummy who started the rand paul bet
PeterL: you bet yes on Rand?
BingoBoingo: OMG look at pete_dushenski BitBet lawyering
danielpbarron: yeah, and to my dismay he's not even in the debates anymore
BingoBoingo: PeterL: SC is the first contest in an area that's actually populated to the point it has black people.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: :D
PeterL: he is still the most reasonable of the candidates, unfortunately American's don't care about that
copypaste: indeed
trinque: president Camacho Trump incoming
danielpbarron: i don't actually care if he wins beyond me wanting to win the bet; i personally wouldn't vote for him
copypaste: Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship
copypaste: Shopwmanship wins in American politics
danielpbarron: last guy i would've voted for was his dad, Ron Paul
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Notice though that Trump's showmanship was engrained in the public through NBC, a well known alias for Cliter's recto-vaginal fistula
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151590 @ 0.00055882 = 84.7115 BTC [-] {6}
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 22 seconds
PeterL: my prediction for republicans: Trump will win several early states, but as various candidates drop out trump will stay at that 25-30% and one of the other candidates will beat him in the later states
thestringpuller: !up bagels7
bagels7: We had a chicken that toughed out every night in the tree including -30'C storms, the rest slept in the coop
BingoBoingo: "A central figure in the Trump-acceptance movement is former presidential nominee and Senate majority leader Bob Dole, the erstwhile Republican establishment standard-bearer who is now just another elderly person in Kansas." << Also former Viagra spokesman
assbot: The GOP establishment is pretending to warm to Donald Trump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwdhFu )
mod6: Another round of live-fire tests after building deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh [ with a change to line 61 to: './v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch' as to include the mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch and alf's latest two ] -- the full orchastra builds and works as expected: http://dpaste.com/1S8GVD9.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78650 @ 0.00054958 = 43.2245 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: mod6: wd!
assbot: A small 2009 car demolishes a 1959 Chevy in a crash test ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzmW3s )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36670 @ 0.00054851 = 20.1139 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: PeterL what the dude making the bet cared about ? i imagine he's from sc or whatever.
mircea_popescu: <copypaste> Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship << maybe they name the USS Flagship "Hairpiece" after him.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the ram/hdd division is REALLY important. so let's make more flash-based "hdds".
punkman: spinning rust sucks
punkman: and the ram/hdd division is most likely going away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49183 @ 0.00056397 = 27.7377 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: 240 * 14383 * 1.25 = 4314900
punkman: "And with persistent transactional memory, there’s an issue that will surely make you smile with recognition: in-place of managing the relationship between volatile memory and disk, we now have to manage the relationship between the volatile CPU cache and memory! It’s all the same considerations (forcing, stealing etc.) but in a new context and with a few new twists."
mircea_popescu: "we" don't have to do any such thing. that's why the fucking cpu is there.
mircea_popescu: and unlike the "we" things "we" do, cpus actuallywork.
asciilifeform: go manually manage your alu.
assbot: Blurred Persistence: Efficient Transactions in Persistent Memory | the morning paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzqbaZ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00056737 = 21.5601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76000 @ 0.00056737 = 43.1201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4At )
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4QN )
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.34, vol: 8006.14854718 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.7, vol: 6568.51873 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.22, vol: 22563.50309897 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 2.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.81009, vol: 48039.73050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 463.24396726 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.93825, vol: 51.2738617 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.652722705
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00056878 = 18.7413 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx/issues/9 dunno what asshole undertook to "enhance" gnupg output in such way
assbot: Exception when using with gnupg-2.0.28 · Issue #9 · Azelphur/pyMPEx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3FBN )
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Zcash will crash just like Gavincoin, Garzikcoin, XT, SegWit, and Classic. Now you know. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/
assbot: GnuPG - Release Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3V3x )
jurov: i should have masked >=gnupg:2 and never looked back
jurov: dunno what i was thinking
assbot: Everyone's Upstairs Neighbors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoEDSB )
pete_dushenski to dinner. ciao !
assbot: Font: The letter f goes missing or rearranges itself in a word · Issue #2720 · Automattic/wp-calypso · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5z5b )
TomServo: Ahoy asseteers
jurov: hi tom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.000568 = 5.8356 BTC [-]
assbot: Jokeocracy's Twitter Martyrdom (with images, tweets) · weev · Storify ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py73wy )
BingoBoingo: Hi TomServo
TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
danielpbarron: heh, i saw that spree; he got suspended for it?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Purged. Credible reports suggest Twitter is going to do a bigger purge soon, so some loveable jokesters are working to get preeptively purged on their own terms.
BingoBoingo: Because mircea_popescu is a trendsetter
assbot: The Bitcoin Blacklist: Max Keiser & Simon Dixon – Bitcoin Error Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoFOBo )
assbot: War Tard: The Geopolitics of 2016: Oil, War, Chaos and Pathological Altruism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoG1EF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.000568 = 6.8972 BTC [-]
jurov: BingoBoingo: how do youknow it's TaT
BingoBoingo: jurov: Not with cryptological certainty, but he gradually transitioned from using #bitcoin-assets as he social media identity to this bitcoinerrorlog thing. It's likely him.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00056889 = 5.7742 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: IRC Logs for #bitcoin-core-dev | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1PybpUp )
mircea_popescu: TomServo prolly the bdb locks issue.
mircea_popescu: look in the ml for the patch for that.
mircea_popescu: that we shall have a world war seems a foregone conclusion by now.
mircea_popescu: That's why every time Obama deploys one of his cloned spokeswomen wearing the "problem glasses" to a White House press briefing << seriously. it's like gaddafi without taste.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 395057 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 78 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: "it's worth remembering Japan had been under a US oil embargo for years before they 'suddenly' attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. " << decent tidbits in there, under all the cheap "rapport" and assorted throwaway cancerous jokes.
mircea_popescu: "The Zionists are so used to running American foreign policy for their own benefit and having the US Army take care of their enemies for them (Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad etc) that it was hilarious to watch Netanyahu throw a shit fit in the US Congress " << so far, the only army to ever win an engagement in the middle east is the israeli. twice.
mircea_popescu: i dun get this fucktarded "we are importants" thing the ustards do around that topic, but anyways.
BingoBoingo: Two Ocean borders and "docile" neighbors will do that to a people
BingoBoingo: Now if Aztlan joined the Central powers in the Great War
mircea_popescu: heh, mexico's been steadily making gains past the colorado for decades.
mod6: TomServo: Hi, if you followed the instructions via the wiki, this means you should have built via rotor & V.
mod6: 1: Have you tried restarting bitcoind to see if that helps get you past this block?
mod6: 2: Can you `cat rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/db.cpp` and post it to dpaste or somewhere else I might be able to look at it?
ben_vulpes: > 252450 << lo it doth haunt
deedbot-: [Qntra] Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign - http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.000568 = 5.1972 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "writing in much the same way many other religious persons in the American continent have done before and after them." << would be so much better with briefly discussed examples.
mircea_popescu: the parallels between say that ridiculous smith character and these derps are striking.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you. The best solution to addressing these omissions is likely going to be a follow up.
mircea_popescu: apparently every american is equally and insescapably stupid. their education, and their intelligence, may color the way they express their stupidity. but you can't take the village out of the girl even if you take the girl out of the village, and you can't take stupid out of americans.
mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr here is how hegel can be applied to maintain what we wish to see!!1"
BingoBoingo: Well gotta consider who the first crackers on the continent were, bunch of English pricks with various "road to paradise" dreams.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Jonathan Edwards guy is prolly a better model for this than the Smith Moromon guy, but gotta chew through more re-reading list first.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.000568 = 22.9756 BTC [-]
assbot: Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKnA5 )
assbot: Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKxHC )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385711 << TomServo: how did you press? post your complete set of sha512s
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 00:56:01; TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
asciilifeform: if you're seeing bdb issues, it is a dead certainty that you did not press a modern tree
asciilifeform: (either this, or 'cosmic rays')
BingoBoingo: What about basement rays from radon and granite countertops?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32230 @ 0.00056743 = 18.2883 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: or pebkac fields
ben_vulpes: dems da woist
BingoBoingo: Thinking more on the subject Mississippi river dam would likely have to wait for the last of the uranium to be mined out of Iowa
deedbot-: [Qntra] Obamacare Firm Loses Personal Information - http://qntra.net/2016/01/obamacare-firm-loses-personal-information/
assbot: Bzzzt-popp. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/20pLHmK )
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:00:21; *: asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks
BingoBoingo: Fuck, they really don't/can't make those anymore
asciilifeform: ^ interestingly, these have tiny incandescent lamps in'em
asciilifeform: which ~still light~
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this one is ancient, possibly older than i am
asciilifeform: and survived many thousands of toggles
asciilifeform: it is not visible in the photo, which is a shame, because it was the only reason i even tried to take the photo - the piston in the switch is pockmarked from many, many microwelds
BingoBoingo: I have a few like that. One 3 outlet square iron box that is likely a transformer but can not confirm because no good descriptive queries return other than ads for not it. Also lacked time to open.
assbot: NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pMaFx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27155 @ 0.00055588 = 15.0949 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has ONE playing card, and it's a 4 of clobber.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it happens to be the cleanest
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/ << more stuff to add to aws banhammer
TomServo: mod6: 1) Yes (incidentally, what is the recommended graceful shutdown method?) 2) http://dpaste.com/3ARSCHB
assbot: dpaste: 3ARSCHB ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5d8 )
TomServo: asciilifeform: Is this correct? http://dpaste.com/2C6N3TZ
assbot: dpaste: 2C6N3TZ ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5K8 )
mircea_popescu: TomServo still kill -9
asciilifeform: TomServo: this is not every useful. it does not tell us what you pressed
mod6: TomServo: you have an old db.cpp file somehow.
asciilifeform: it was never kill -9 !
asciilifeform: plain kill and some patience.
asciilifeform: -9 risks wedging your db.
mod6: TomServo: ./bitcoind stop
TomServo: I think the patience part was my problem.
TomServo: asciilifeform: what can I provide that is useful?
asciilifeform: the checksums of the actual source files you end up with.
asciilifeform: post just the db one
TomServo: 66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp
TomServo: How would I end up with an old one?
mod6: not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet.
mod6: I don't suppose you logged your build process?
TomServo: Unfortunately not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle,
mod6: Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's possible.
mircea_popescu: then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on.
TomServo: I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze).
mircea_popescu: willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it.
TomServo: mod6: Will do. Thanks.
mod6: No problem! Good luck.
mod6: Certainly start with a clean env.
mod6: That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out.
mod6: TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build?
mod6: Was it within the last 24 hours?
TomServo: mod6: Within the last 2 weeks.
mod6: ah, ok.
mod6: anyway, let us know how it goes.
TomServo: Of course.
mod6: Salud.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00055074 = 24.6732 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )
assbot: But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )
assbot: That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 )
asciilifeform: what even
mircea_popescu: " My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually.
mircea_popescu: ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar.
ben_vulpes: it's not RUBY it's RAILS
ben_vulpes: (although who uses one without the other i do not know)
mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference.
mircea_popescu: my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails.
asciilifeform: what, no REBOL ?!!
mircea_popescu: no rebol.
mircea_popescu: http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy.
assbot: What is REBOL? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phegio )
mircea_popescu: is this thing fucking stupid ?
asciilifeform: aaaand don't forget Refal!
asciilifeform: the soviet lisp.
asciilifeform: !s refal
assbot: 8 results for 'refal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=refal
mircea_popescu: i don';t think you understand how mp works.
mircea_popescu: the main thing i do is forget.
mircea_popescu: that's my principal professional skill.
asciilifeform: hey what do you think ~i~ do
asciilifeform: any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass.
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianG
AdrianG: hi thx.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot AdrianG
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/
AdrianG: what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm
mircea_popescu: !s edward bernays
assbot: 0 results for 'edward bernays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+edward+bernays
AdrianG: oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me.
mircea_popescu: apparently nothing.
AdrianG: thx whoever that was.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat.
trinque: !s !rate AdrianG
assbot: 0 results for '!rate AdrianG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21rate+AdrianG
AdrianG: bernays was quite a character.
mircea_popescu: isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ?
AdrianG: he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far.
BingoBoingo: Booze is a great forgetting aid
AdrianG: bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc
AdrianG: his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he's not a rando
trinque: this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich
thestringpuller: ;;ud rando
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rando | rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here?
AdrianG: sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG as seen where ?
trinque: I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self
mircea_popescu: "Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody.
mircea_popescu: what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote above.
asciilifeform: yes but from where
mircea_popescu: "we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE.
mircea_popescu: link slightly above-er, rebol.com
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: as seen where?
mircea_popescu: AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
mircea_popescu: a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister.
AdrianG: oh, hehe goebbels.
asciilifeform: poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually
AdrianG: nazis had a different goal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor.
mircea_popescu: what's the other derp, more recent
asciilifeform: orwell's ogilvy ?!
mircea_popescu: no, david.
AdrianG: nice.
asciilifeform: the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable.
AdrianG: its highly subjective of course.
AdrianG: the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition.
asciilifeform: e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one
asciilifeform: maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck
asciilifeform: (m was only interested in light!)
mircea_popescu: AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ?
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success.
AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale"
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale.
mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows.
mircea_popescu: it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors.
AdrianG: why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field.
mircea_popescu: which field ?
AdrianG: why would I flatter myself?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11905 @ 0.00055942 = 6.6599 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ?
AdrianG: never heard of hyperbole?
AdrianG: asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere?
mircea_popescu: i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking.
mircea_popescu: i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not.
mircea_popescu: (but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter)
AdrianG: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18263 @ 0.00056039 = 10.2344 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00054843 = 17.9189 BTC [-]
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