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pete_dushenski: no one's claiming that flying and driving and living and breathing under usg don't blow dead bears.
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BingoBoingo: Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because it’d be too hard on his health/body http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA "
assbot: Christian Bale Exits Michael Mann’s ‘Enzo Ferrari,’ Balks At Weight Gain | Deadline ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPEMJ )
ben_vulpes: > plum role
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:14:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)
pete_dushenski: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?
BingoBoingo: Not International cxt. International harvester scout.
pete_dushenski: ^or that
BingoBoingo: harvester scout for surfaces more hostile than the roads they were
ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
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ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.punindented.-1:fdd8264a25a95bfb8946055ada53326a3a54a99c6cf8594b6f5effcaae04d145
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ben_vulpes: punindented: you may continue this conversation here
ben_vulpes: !up punindented
punindented: !down punindented
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373858 << high-end coach then. no difference. and neither ferrari building nor coach building requires or required "the skills" of "the people". such nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
ben_vulpes: so that's one of the four new faces
ben_vulpes: how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373865 << also garbage. ferrari "needs" led lights like it needs a hybrid engine. wtf.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:17:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: RE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back.
thestringpuller: Worst case scenario*
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So what was so irritating it had to happen in a pm conversation?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 'twas so banal as to be entirely unremarkable
ben_vulpes: should punindented come back, it must be on his knees.
ben_vulpes: i don't extend the robert viragh s of the world nearly so much rope as i did before
ben_vulpes: once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves
ben_vulpes: but now i am a man and i hang fools by my own hand
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: He linked me a dpaste. Solid decision.
ben_vulpes: where'd it cut off?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians.
pete_dushenski doesn't know. hasn't been to brunei.
ben_vulpes: adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding.
ben_vulpes: buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot.
pete_dushenski: i'm tempted to call that more 'traditionalist'
pete_dushenski: which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one
pete_dushenski: even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373877 << these were entirely unrelated parts of the zil factory afaik. only reason "zil" was chosen was that b wanted to shine a positive light on the company, like bahamas does with cadillac. not like it matters whether 'beast' shares parts with gmc trucks. hell it probably wouldn't break down in the middle of diplomatic missions if it were a custom job !
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:20:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> where'd it cut off? << before I anticipate he got really verbose
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373964 << there were dozens of ~electric~ carmakers at the turn of the 20th century, nevermind the hundreds of gas-powered ones.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:36:50; asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
assbot: Fowl therapy: Airline lets passenger bring turkey on flight as ‘emotional support animal’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVG4um )
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/TeE8qfz http://i.imgur.com/7hMsbW1.jpg << because in the race to the bottom, it's zero one infinity. next you'll have down syndromers flying transatlantic routes.
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVGd0J )
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 03:36:34; asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 01:59:10; mircea_popescu: here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif
phf: so running linux on macbook pro is all kinds of fun. there's about 50 files exposed in /sys and /proc that control intimate details of the laptop's operation.
phf: like for example controls over the ability to not overheat like crazy and drain battery in half hour.
phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8661 @ 0.00052053 = 4.5083 BTC [-] {3}
phf: who would've thought that linux ecosystem could've gotten worse since last time i checked..
BingoBoingo: seriously
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assbot: Fiat Feeling Pain Below The Corn Belt | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtkMEG )
ben_vulpes: phf: funny you should mention this
ben_vulpes: what kind of linux, what kind of mbp?
ben_vulpes: i'm playing openbsd quest most recently, as openbsd didn't do drivers or reference implementation compilation
ben_vulpes: i'm playing *gentoo quest* most recently...
ben_vulpes: sorry, $client left many bottles of homemade kahlua at the office
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the fiat involvement is not clear
ben_vulpes: oh wait this is fiat currency not fiat cars
ben_vulpes: sorry, the relentless carblogger threads have me twisted
ben_vulpes: srsly not the kahlua
BingoBoingo: These things happen
phf: ben_vulpes: macbookpro early 2011 (i believe it's 8,2)
phf: my standard machine, basically
phf: i tried openbsd on it, but it wouldn't even boot. i'm pretty sure it's an issue with integrated/discrete video cards
phf: i'm running slackware on it :>
ben_vulpes: great vintage
ben_vulpes: mine did obsd just fine, didn't want to accelerate videocards though
phf: accelerate? what you trying to watch cat videos? i've only gotten as far as having emacs running on console
ben_vulpes: i had emacs in x11
BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
ben_vulpes: exwm and the reference implementation are ~90% of my current compute goals
assbot: 「魚池」BTC:180 Phash/s - LTC:550 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtmnKV )
BingoBoingo: "We do not believe the concept of fee market"
phf: i'm planning on staying in console until i figure out how to make base hardware behave
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
BingoBoingo: !up snuffy
BingoBoingo: Hello snuffy, care to introduce yourself?
snuffy: just lurking...
BingoBoingo: What brings you around to these parts?
ben_vulpes: > fee market
BingoBoingo: feet market
assbot: Lightning Network Code Finally Public | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1n42rRQ )
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BingoBoingo: !up punindented
ben_vulpes: meet farket
assbot: JL: ‘Be An Asshole’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6L5xi )
assbot: JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep )
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
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mircea_popescu: !up unkster
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052797 = 2.5343 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up p15x
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.
mircea_popescu: technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either.
mircea_popescu: i'm not particularly convinced this would solve anything, also.
punkman: memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next.
adlai: fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)
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mircea_popescu: ;;ud TSMC
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TSMC | ... Serbian · Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for TSMC yet. Can you define it?
mircea_popescu: remind me, what was this ?
punkman: Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
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mircea_popescu: nevertheless, stranding the miners is an important reserve power.
mircea_popescu: schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so Luke-Jr isn't all bad?
mircea_popescu: nobody is ALL bad.
thestringpuller: i never took you for an optimist
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon
thestringpuller: punkman: direct access to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400%
mircea_popescu: you still shmooing ?
thestringpuller: or at least the initial investment
ascii_shmoocon: reporting live from snorefest!!!1111
thestringpuller: did you got the big data hacking panel?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's.
mircea_popescu: "these people'd be a lot more interested if they tried cooking naked."
ascii_shmoocon: aha it was surprisingly nonlame. turns out that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps that crash it.
ascii_shmoocon: dragonfly.
ascii_shmoocon: lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary
ascii_shmoocon: poor bastards
ascii_shmoocon: and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist'
ascii_shmoocon: managed to say absolutely nothing.
mircea_popescu: you're enjoying yourself aren't you.
ascii_shmoocon: the crackpot group theory cipher thing yesterday was lulzy
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack).
ascii_shmoocon: and i now have what is quite likely a lifetime supply of keychain
ascii_shmoocon: thestringpull: not spoof - crash
thestringpuller: HAHA! That's even better.
ascii_shmoocon: next up, some woman re: mesh nets
mircea_popescu: as in stockings ?
ascii_shmoocon: the other sort
mircea_popescu: for hair ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought those went out of fashion.
ascii_shmoocon: nm, 'software defined networks ', buzzword hell
thestringpuller: "An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh.
mircea_popescu: "fucking a ten dollar hooker in the cunt is safer than fucking her in the ass".
thestringpuller: Seems like that PoW-change nuke is a good nuke to have.
ascii_shmoocon: who has it though??
ascii_shmoocon: say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???
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ascii_shmoocon: am i thick?
thestringpuller: nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason.
ascii_shmoocon: that's not the issue, but the ~how??~
thestringpuller: i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"
thestringpuller: except for fact all water is irradiated at that point.
ascii_shmoocon: the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...
ascii_shmoocon: ft meade
ascii_shmoocon: in other nyoooz, somebody is already... snoring
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"
ascii_shmoocon: I'm genuinely curious, how this'd work
mircea_popescu: so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,
ascii_shmoocon: ftr I despise miners
ascii_shmoocon: their existence is a bug.
ascii_shmoocon: esp. pools.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
mircea_popescu: yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.
ascii_shmoocon: which this
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca.
ascii_shmoocon: that ain't going anywhere anytime
thestringpuller: a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization
thestringpuller: and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_shmoocon
thestringpuller: only those in the cartel are "somewhat profitable".
ascii_shmoocon: i said from day 1, it makes no sense to ~sell- miners.
mircea_popescu: depends to whom,.
mircea_popescu: it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots.
ascii_shmoocon: certainly not ones that work.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication.
ascii_shmoocon: duds, to avaricious idiots? yes
thestringpuller: instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: and this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding.
ascii_shmoocon: fat lotta good it will do
thestringpuller: none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter.
ascii_shmoocon: also making jets is trivial compared to ic fab.
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ascii_shmoocon: aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism.
thestringpuller: so lets annex taiwan?
ascii_shmoocon: for so long as somebody can cream you in production chain, he owns you
mircea_popescu: you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners.
ascii_shmoocon: didja invent a means of dispensing with miners? I'm all ears
ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
ascii_shmoocon: *mp transacts
mircea_popescu: eh it's all there, no invention needed.
jurov: imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one that changes often, unpredictably and substantially
ascii_shmoocon: and I admit that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day
mircea_popescu: jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded.
jurov: if what were the case?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.
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mircea_popescu: jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented to mining
ascii_shmoocon: also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return ticket
jurov: yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly
ascii_shmoocon: no it is inherently 'fried ice'
ascii_shmoocon: 'varies but not enough to perma-hose diff'
mircea_popescu: haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ?
ascii_shmoocon: and that. go, invent...
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone
mircea_popescu: they go for the whole nine years, they're gonna make a clay divinity!
jurov: well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm"
jurov: *count of
mircea_popescu: why waste the asking.
mircea_popescu: ask him to absolve you of von neumann sin.
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jurov: yeaaa...and symbolics sin and ...
jurov: babbage and turing and...
mircea_popescu: i meant something specific.
mircea_popescu: !s "living, of course, in a state of sin"
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ascii_shmoocon: perelman does not absolve. only - damns.
mircea_popescu: heh. WHAT USE ARE YOU, O LOGS!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon
ascii_shmoocon: !s state of sin
assbot: 13 results for 'state of sin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=state+of+sin
jurov: von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough.
jurov: and maybe not
mircea_popescu: we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: is it still problem is "sane" person owns production?
ascii_shmoocon: you know this reminds me of amateur crypto
ascii_shmoocon: 'hey, this Algorithm confyoozd -me-, it is good...'
jurov: kek
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: cause right now it seems production is held by incompetent cartel, which is why I said it'd be less of problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
jurov: for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway
jurov: i want infinite count of proven assymetric functions!!!!
ascii_shmoocon: pray to satan against -competent- one
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D
thestringpuller: jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no? thus at some point it will necesarily change.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's not necessarily a bad thing to want, on its own.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: competent one does not have === anti-christ
mircea_popescu: very valid place to invest a life in quite respectable research.
ascii_shmoocon: sorta what i do
jurov: !up DerpUnion
DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
DerpUnion: and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping them clean off their bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2176 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !down DerpUnion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00053038 = 1.6665 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 05:04:54; pete_dushenski: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2479 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2932 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners.
mircea_popescu: The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite."
mircea_popescu: yeah, TOTALLY that's what happened.
mircea_popescu: did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374262 <<< the link to "we just read some words mp said" being lost to "everyone", of course.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:15:57; BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
mircea_popescu: just more things that never occurred.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
mircea_popescu: prunes until their gullet's deeply satisfied.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear.
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t
assbot: JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep )
mircea_popescu: o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only.
mircea_popescu: but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes.
mircea_popescu: "cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 393721
shinohai: < 1k to go \o/
mircea_popescu: trinque o look de bot is gone ?
jurov: !up ascii_rear
ascii_rear: sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing
mircea_popescu: !up wangchun
ascii_rear: but on the whole, mega-snorecon
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ?
ascii_rear: c---, unrecommend
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
ascii_rear: it is 30 yr sop
ascii_rear: ancient modemz, electromechanical switch, etc
ascii_rear: mega-unsurpise.
ascii_rear: unsurprise
ascii_rear: but... but.. i got a.. can opener.
trinque: mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works.
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear wait wut ?
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374510 <<< btctalk message sent, awaiting reply.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 18:11:36; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.
trinque: I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck.
trinque: just gotta get the services rewritten
ascii_rear: the company, however, i'd pass on
ascii_rear: mircea_popescu: keychain
mircea_popescu: trinque cool beans.
jurov: lol i read alf got a car opener
jurov: which would be shocking given his strict-whitehat proclivities
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Actually if you just want to interview and so a qntra piece that would be swell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00052731 = 1.5556 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: or you too danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool.
BingoBoingo: WHo ever he responds to
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
shinohai: BingoBoingo: if he writes back sure
shinohai: wait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00052573 = 3.0755 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: "Please send your questions to admin at f2pool dot com. Thanks." macbook-air
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Cool. It looks like you have a lead for that F2pool interview you're going to submit to Qntra.
shinohai: > . <
danielpbarron: heh, I got no reply
shinohai: They seem to be going Classic no?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support
BingoBoingo: !up wangchun
BingoBoingo: IN other news Selkis is going over to Coindesk since Silbert owns them both.
jurov: no idea about either derp
jurov: should i know them?
BingoBoingo: Not really.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitstamp Bans Russia - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitstamp-bans-russia/
assbot: Bitcoin Classic - Code of conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ6MBl )
BingoBoingo: Offensive comments related to ... body size << It's because Gavin's bulking isn't it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2706 @ 0.00052369 = 1.4171 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo.
mod6: was able to build v7.10
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2571.21, vol: 79290.02680000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2571.21
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.28, vol: 13408.56292557 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.443, vol: 9315.19385 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.64, vol: 34099.66123462 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.40632189 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 391.732353, vol: 79280.31390000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 388.3002, vol: 284.25406211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.8158, vol: 79.12573361 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 389.802079088
jurov: mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine
punkman: does trb relay txs with op_return outputs?
jurov: no
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
mircea_popescu: you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00053068 = 1.592 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo thought Lafond made it clear he exists on bottom. Only spared fatal predation so far because prickly.
BingoBoingo: Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest
assbot: In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO )
jurov: would be hilarious if they reused my hack
BingoBoingo: for srs
BingoBoingo: !Up wang
BingoBoingo: !up wangchun
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeh. he was quoting some policeman dude tho
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin core's implementing teh b-a mempool limit stuff ? ha-ha.
mircea_popescu: !up mynameisv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005307 = 1.3268 BTC [+]
assbot: myrathe / 38 / Shih-k’eng-tzu, Taiwan | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zu8kUv )
mircea_popescu: first step to our own tsmc!
thestringpuller: "What I'm doing with my life...Working in electronics company.."
mircea_popescu: very polite, submissive girl too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6294 @ 0.00053089 = 3.3414 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: mornin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00052771 = 3.8523 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine << my gentoo didn't have gdb built via portage, so when I went to build that, it blew up (re: yesterday).
mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
mod6: that way i can actually debug my bitcoind with musl symbols etc.
shinohai: I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00053151 = 1.1693 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka
pete_dushenski: wouldja look at that... mpex sinks 'bitcoinclassic' and mpoe bust through 53. what a coincidence :P
assbot: bitcoin/release-notes.md at 0.12 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZmLiN )
ben_vulpes: very causation
mats: totes
BingoBoingo: lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code.
BingoBoingo: BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit.
BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: hawala, then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053152 = 1.9135 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
BingoBoingo: My how things have changed from 2014. TMSR has a fallback plan nao: Become Olympus!
asciilifeform: and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots'
phf: this is where it's all going, pgpgrams over gossip of v-ified ledgers
mod6: neat
assbot: Mandatory tx fee · Issue #23 · bitcoin-solutions/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zug2xY )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i've been wondering, you ever set foot in a factory of whatever type ?
asciilifeform: even as tourist
pete_dushenski: boeing comes to mind
asciilifeform: aha! good. do you recall the tooling ?
asciilifeform: the materials ?
asciilifeform: what do you suppose a tungsten carbide endmill would cost if created by hand in quantity of three ?
phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
asciilifeform: phf: you know very well what happened
phf: :(
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i suppose they'd be more expensive, perhaps even too expensive to cost-effectively use.
asciilifeform: 'perhaps' l0l
pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
pete_dushenski: have you no faith in human ingenuity ?
asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: myes, i can see this
asciilifeform: i would like to watch pete_dushenski make a piston for his mercedes without carbide tooling
asciilifeform: or to drive same mercedes on ru mud road
ben_vulpes: aha carbides
asciilifeform: (where german tanks sank into the earth)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if faced with ru roads, i'd drive g-wagon, as ru'ians do.
pete_dushenski: i live in paved arctic, so drive s-class
ben_vulpes: anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram
ben_vulpes: ofc one could also do entirely away with the 'cc' part.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but that's perfectly pedestrian 'mad max' remnants-of-the-old, rather than ab initio 'for the 15k!1111'
ben_vulpes: gotta kill the megastates first though.
assbot: bips/bip-0111.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugOLr )
ben_vulpes: yeah well who knows how the trajectory actually draws through the possibility space
BingoBoingo: "In initial implementations, old nodes which are not yet aware of NODE_BLOOM and use a protocol version < 70011 may still send filter messages to a node without NODE_BLOOM. This feature may be removed after there are sufficient NODE_BLOOM nodes available and SPV clients have upgraded, allowing node operators to fully close the bloom-related DoS vectors."
asciilifeform: we can say a few meaningful things about where it WON'T go
asciilifeform: because those are the lands of magical pixies
asciilifeform: like the one where semiconductors are made out of horse shit in medieval castles
assbot: "Weathercock" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugUmk )
asciilifeform: or where handmade mercedes drives 100 miles WITHOUT needing new piston rings
asciilifeform: and without shaking the oh-precious princess therein, to death
ben_vulpes once attempted to fab a piston
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha! and it ran ? for how long ?
ben_vulpes: didn't! at all!
ben_vulpes: like everything else i do.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja lap it ?
ben_vulpes regards the vast pile of oddities that sorta-worked
ben_vulpes: actually the waste oil furnace was pretty good
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what was it, stirling engine ?
ben_vulpes: piston or furnace?
ben_vulpes: piston was for lulzy undergraduate water cooled lfr engine design with reciprocating pistons to pressurize fuel lines
ben_vulpes: learned that turbo machinery is clearly the correct solution
ben_vulpes: furnace was for heating warehouse where i was working
asciilifeform: and why waste oil
asciilifeform: neighbours had it ?
ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant giving it away up the street!
asciilifeform: must've smelled delicious
ben_vulpes maggot, proud to find free energy around
ben_vulpes: 'twas outside
ben_vulpes: horrendously noisy
ben_vulpes: BUT SO AWESOME
ben_vulpes: pumped water through the furnace, up to our shop, and through an old car radiator with a fan behind it.
ben_vulpes: did not work as well as the radiant attachments atop the propane tank
ben_vulpes: also blew crap all over the shop while i was finishing tables and whatnot, so eventually decommissioned.
asciilifeform: but slower co poisoning than with tank ?
ben_vulpes: co poisoning not really an issue, it's a slow flow over some steel mesh, more or less everything burns off on the mesh going to co2
ben_vulpes: plus very tall ceilings
asciilifeform: i have what is supposed to be a spiffy propane heater in the workshop, it is not endurable for more than half hour or so
BingoBoingo: kinda lulzy discussion re: NODE_BLOOM bit https://archive.is/Jb1jN
assbot: Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #6579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZuhGj2 )
asciilifeform: and nonsense, it does not all burn off.
ben_vulpes: which one? and why unendurable?
asciilifeform: gasenwagen.
ben_vulpes: well, "most" relative to volume of shop.
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Heater' F232000.
ben_vulpes: oh jeez
ben_vulpes: is that /plastic/?
asciilifeform: the handle was thermoplastic iirc (as on frying pan)
ben_vulpes: you want the eye of sauron: mr heater mh15t
asciilifeform: on wooden floor ?!
asciilifeform: also same problem
asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks.
asciilifeform: no way around it.
ben_vulpes: "science doesn't suck -- it blows!"
asciilifeform: unless you burn motherfuckin hydrogen
ben_vulpes: yeah well get a bigger shop
ben_vulpes: only time i ever came close to death by co2 was operating the concrete cutter in someone's basement
ben_vulpes: that was a fun day
asciilifeform: by co2 ?!!
BingoBoingo: Really the solution is electric heat
ben_vulpes: co co
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried electric heat. blows out the breakers, the place is powered via extension cord
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: electric is the *worst*
ben_vulpes: takes mega current
asciilifeform: i entirely would if could.
BingoBoingo appologizes for poor attempt at miner joak
ben_vulpes: oh lol
punkman: wood stove that vents outside mebbe
ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
asciilifeform: punkman: on wooden floor?!!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what is with you and unsanitary working conditions
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: money ?
BingoBoingo: alf lives in hovel in jungle
asciilifeform: elementarily ?
BingoBoingo: been discussed before
asciilifeform: the key thing is that the one non-negotiable thing i use, is VERY expensive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00053152 = 3.7738 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: anywhere in the world
asciilifeform: vermin-free area
ben_vulpes: sleep?
punkman: asciilifeform: why not on wooden floor
asciilifeform: as in, no extraneous bodies within ~50 metre in any direction
asciilifeform: wooden floor, in this context, is actually a great deal
asciilifeform: it beats, say, bare permafrost
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sleep is actually far too expensive for me to afford
asciilifeform: because the no-vermin thing comes FIRST
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 19:59:45; mircea_popescu: here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe
phf: warehouses are expensive in dc area. it's some sort of idiot bubble, because you can rent warehouse space by acres in baltimore and whereabouts, only an hour away
asciilifeform: phf: not cheap there either
asciilifeform: at least not in human-sized pieces
asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
asciilifeform: and anything you leave there is liable to be carted away or smashed.
asciilifeform: (unless you also station a platoon of orc-hunters therein)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374593 << mega-recommended approach. guaranteed to work unless something is SERIOUSLY broken with the WHOLE rotor.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 20:54:44; mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
ben_vulpes: did i hear that someone managed to get rotor to clobber their whole homedir?
asciilifeform: the whole reason i did rotor was to thermonuke whatever dependencies there were on the crud on various people's boxes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE
asciilifeform: and street.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GEEEGT.txt )
ben_vulpes: "FOOF"
asciilifeform: ;;later tell punindented what was the point of your http://dpaste.com/0CRQ2PJ ?
assbot: dpaste: 0CRQ2PJ: by punindented ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZujrwG )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: who the everliving fuck uses mawk, and for what ??
phf: fwiw, i've ran it on large data before and it was constant faster then bsd awk that comes with os x
ben_vulpes: > i adopted it in 2009
ben_vulpes: guy writes javascript, uses mawk...
BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
BingoBoingo: !up B0g4r7_
BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052927 = 2.5405 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: asciilifeform: punindented was trying to help out a bit -- he hit that weird bug with vdiff on ubuntu or debian or something, when then reminded me that I lost your fix for that. I've searched through logs many times, can't seem to find it. I did actually ask yesterday too:
mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
mod6: so if you have yours somewhere it'd be awesome to get that and place it somewhere so I don't lose it again.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE << yes someone did do this.
mod6: and blew away their pgp keys too.
mod6: so make sure you have your keys backed up!
mod6: and don't nuke your entire world.
mircea_popescu: !up raedah
raedah: buona sera
mod6: !up hanbot
hanbot: danke
mod6: bitte
mircea_popescu: lol check it out it's manners day over at old b-a.
hanbot takes out an extra pinky finger to hold aloft
mod6: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00052854 = 2.9598 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374627 << same thing that happens to "fridge ecosystem" once the engineer dies.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:18:20; phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
mircea_popescu: ah wellcome back!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374634 << you've created yourself a convenient strawman and are having sex with it.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:21:26; asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.
mircea_popescu: again : the volume of production and the relationships between people are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing but fartware and wishful thinking backing this notion that "every idiot getting 10 dollars to spend is the best possible world", pangloss.
mircea_popescu: for all you know the world where every derp and his ten dollars causes britney spears is the world where quality musical instruments do not exist.
mircea_popescu: for all you know the world of manufacturing was lots and lots more powerful back when trhey were supplying bach's needs than sepultura's.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374632 << it's what they call "a psychological necessity".
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:20:50; pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:34:20; asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052727 = 1.0282 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374718 << i hate radiative heating. my skin feels like i'm sunbathing, and i also hate sunbathing.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:36:22; ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374796 << because wooden shed with no provisions for proper stove.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 23:22:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh tell me more about how sane people don't get carbide this or that, please.
mircea_popescu: clearly this shit's working so well.
asciilifeform: hey i have a full set of carbide cutters and lathe in there, l0l
mircea_popescu: i never lived in a fucking hovel where the heating wasn't vented, either outside the wall or in specially made vents ffs.
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess i never lived in civilisation.
asciilifeform: it's a shed
asciilifeform: wasn't meant for life
asciilifeform: was built for keeping shovels, etc.
mircea_popescu: so what do you do there then. die first.
asciilifeform: i drill/mill/lathe things etc. there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if it's a wooden shed, cut a hole, add a pipe and some insulation, done.
asciilifeform: did this eventually, for the laser.
asciilifeform: but admittedly the subject is of very little interest to people who aren't me.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << this is pretty insane, i had something like high 30's for ~700 euro total.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
asciilifeform: take me to your planet.
mircea_popescu: 37k i think it was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did! you wouldn't even fuck the eager gypsy girls!
asciilifeform: it was mouthwateringly glorious, aha.
asciilifeform: remember how i wanted to buy the dump ?
mircea_popescu: now granted, it was just a concrete slab with corrugated sheet walls and roof.
asciilifeform: the one with the broken bottles
mircea_popescu: but apparently this is standard these days.
asciilifeform: corrugated steel walls is a palace to me.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the locals were kinda jealous of the guy, because it comes out that doing a 40 x 100 metre concrete slab and surrounding it in basically an elaborate, roofed fence costs less than building an actual house, and brought in rent slightly more.
asciilifeform: oh l0l! was this the thing by the graveyard ?!
asciilifeform: with the blue roof ?
mircea_popescu: middle of nowhere, but hey, it had natl road access right by the door.
asciilifeform: i drooled over it on 'google earth'
mircea_popescu: anyway. back in the day "warehouse" meant brick wall, etc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374790 << ok 1 in 10 - is sane. the thing that melted my brain was the contention that five barons could have handmade silicon etc.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 23:10:18; mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
mircea_popescu: look at my most recent article, the curve is there and intuitively obvious what's meant.
asciilifeform: aha, just did
mircea_popescu: hm... it never made it to the chan this, did it ?
asciilifeform: in light of it it makes sense.
assbot: This is how you fail ; and why ; and wherefore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/238XvvM )
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:20:36; mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << sharing one makes eminently little sense. you can't rent except by the gate.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
asciilifeform: mod6: was it the the LC_ALL=C thing?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. though it is not unheard-of to subdivide a warehouse
mircea_popescu: not among unknowns.
mod6: asciilifeform: no i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: heck, i guess in practice every insanity's heard of, including to subdivide a woman unawares.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once knew two fellas who unknowingly shared a toothbrush for most of a year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374762 << nah. and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374764 << this is sensible and a welcome idea, in general. tho i still dunno how much the proposed replacement's worth.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:05:27; BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:12:09; BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00052404 = 2.7774 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform confucius say, better share toothbrush than buttplug.
asciilifeform: i went over the crud
asciilifeform: it very much is moar of the same.
mircea_popescu: so did a few other people.
mircea_popescu: would you swear to anything ?
mod6: here's what it is asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3QGYPPK.txt
asciilifeform: my tentative conclusion is that the phoundation folk are making things explicit
asciilifeform: (in re: the corralling of the cattle)
mod6: i should also point out this: http://dpaste.com/01R3NFN.txt
asciilifeform: mod6: i have no idea what is happening here
asciilifeform: but it suggests that your sed is broken
asciilifeform: awk, rather
punkman: I think I had that error, just changed around the quoting of the vdiff command
mod6: yeah, this seems to be the case on ubuntu & deb (iirc), only works on gentoo for me. you fixed this once iirc. but i've since lost the changes :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00052999 = 2.7559 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: mod6, here's my version: diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange."
mircea_popescu: and what is this "continue reading" thing ?
asciilifeform: 'Starting with Tor version 0.2.7.1 it is possible, through Tor's control socket API, to create and destroy 'ephemeral' hidden services programmatically. Bitcoin Core has been updated to make use of this. This means that if Tor is running (and proper authorization is available), Bitcoin Core automatically creates a hidden service to listen on, without manual configuration. Bitcoin Core will also use Tor automatically to connect
asciilifeform: to other .onion nodes if the control socket can be successfully opened. This will positively affect the number of available .onion nodes and their usage. This new feature is enabled by default if Bitcoin Core is listening, and a connection to Tor can be made.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: 'Previously, every wallet transaction stored a Merkle branch to prove its presence in blocks. This wasn't being used for more than an expensive sanity check. Since 0.12, these are no longer stored.'
guruvan: mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking
mircea_popescu: isn't that the bdb issue ?
asciilifeform: guruvan: what was this ?
guruvan: can I just build as per instrux here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin and
assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
punkman: guruvan: possibly because of openssl version
mircea_popescu: gah, is half our documentation unmaintained / out of date by now ?
asciilifeform: holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1
guruvan: asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ?
mircea_popescu: listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse.
asciilifeform: but iirc even therealbitcoin.org doesn't mention 'v'
guruvan: I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball
asciilifeform: or the modern v-tronic build
guruvan: mircea_popescu: docker image Dockerfile helps document buld process -that part of why I do these
mircea_popescu: lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down.
mircea_popescu: guruvan did you make sense of v so far ?
guruvan: sorta - I think I have everything in the current mirror set all figured out - haven't tried to build anything outta that yet
asciilifeform: #5677 9aa9099 libevent-based http server << let's add mega-dependency crud !1111
guruvan: I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet
guruvan: more or less tried all the pertinent commands - made sure it seemed set up right
mircea_popescu: alright.
asciilifeform: #6650 4fac576 Obfuscate chainstate << wut.
guruvan: seriously asciilifeform what's up there
guruvan: I was wondering about this when I saw this in the logs today (on classic?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas.
mircea_popescu: so a month old.
asciilifeform: i saw a .sh, assumed pre-v
mircea_popescu dials down panic two notches.
asciilifeform: #6351 2a1090d CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (BIP65) IsSuperMajority() soft-fork << lulz
asciilifeform: #6954 e54ebbf Switch to libsecp256k1-based ECDSA validation << as mentioned earlier by BingoBoingo ?
asciilifeform: #6508 61457c2 Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. << anybody have the time/energy to look? i don't...
guruvan: there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds
asciilifeform: #6210 0e4f2a0 build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build << what's it use instead of gmp ?!!??
asciilifeform: own crackpot bignum ?
asciilifeform: #6619 4862708 depends: bump miniupnpc and ccache << apparently upnp is still in the mix
guruvan: why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery
mircea_popescu: standard explanation, "it has some pores dept x needs"
mircea_popescu: most of the time it's junk anyway, but hey, bureaucracy prevails!
guruvan: LOL :) some pores compay ABC needs ;)
mircea_popescu: no, more like SHITFACE or DERPSTORM or whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: COUNTRYBUMPKIN
ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where was it before? emulated in your brain ?
ben_vulpes: 'twas not sane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform before it was mass produced because five barons couldn't possibly etc.
ben_vulpes: myriad layers of virtualization.
asciilifeform: well you said 'actual metal', so i wondered about the meaning
ben_vulpes: have built in docker, cloud, etc
asciilifeform: is this the openbsd-on-old-mac thing ?
ben_vulpes: with a mouse, on a house
ben_vulpes: chapter something in the story, yes asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: should have listened to you, but must piss on each and every fence myself.
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort
asciilifeform: or was it netbsd
ben_vulpes: boost ate shit, tri segfaulted
ben_vulpes: video drivers etc
asciilifeform: !s from:BingoBoingo mac bsd
assbot: 2 results for 'from:BingoBoingo mac bsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ABingoBoingo+mac+bsd
ben_vulpes: today it's gentoo quest.
ben_vulpes: againstillnowwithgusto
asciilifeform: oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc.
asciilifeform: wasn't 'officially support', no.
ben_vulpes: "why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working"
ben_vulpes: 2 things drove this toolchain rebuild: exwm and tri-on-the-metal.
ben_vulpes: nifty device, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes downloading stage three for the...second? third? time today
asciilifeform: without disks or power supply, iirc.
guruvan: lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken
guruvan: that's on today's agenda is to see why my glibc fails out of the latest portage :P
ben_vulpes: guruvan: what better route forward then? ubuntu 14.04?
guruvan: poh - no - I'm going forward with all my own gentoos :) zomg ubuntu 14.04
mircea_popescu: ah finally found that fucking article!
guruvan: I do use some in some docker images for various purposes, but my heaviest use images are all gentoo based
mircea_popescu: "Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.�
mircea_popescu: That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go.
mircea_popescu: As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material."
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/dwSkS#selection-241.0-259.119 << anyone remember how infoseek / altavista etc looked back in the day ?
assbot: The Blind Lead the Sighted: ... ( http://bit.ly/238ZRLa )
guruvan: heh I definitely remember altavista
mircea_popescu: the only practical way to know google didn't fucking invent the un-shat-upon screen is to personally know the devs that had done it before. i suspect this is true of most "genius ideas".
guruvan: once those ideas have sufficient network effect yet
guruvan: yes
punkman: did chetty read c++ via text-to-speech?
mircea_popescu: depends who wrote it / on what system, etc.
mircea_popescu: mostly no.
ben_vulpes: there are excellent reasons for the 80-col law.
punkman: my sympathies to friends, family and eulorean tribes
punkman: did she ever keep a blog, memoirs?
mircea_popescu: she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: not aware that there'd by any memoirs. she was kinda young for that sort of thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00052172 = 2.8434 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2020 @ 0.00053008 = 1.0708 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00052107 = 2.6575 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: shapeshit?
shinohai: Someone set up a phishing site LOL via: https://redd.it/41e094
assbot: SCAM WARNING ShapeSHIT.io fake website : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2392Jrj )
mod6: <+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right?
mod6: mircea_popescu: hey thanks for putting up your steps in the wiki
mod6: or, whomever did that.
mircea_popescu: i didn't do it. mebbe danielpbarron ? or hanbot ? or pete
mod6: i appreciate it.
danielpbarron: t'was me
danielpbarron: instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them
mod6: o7
phf: ben_vulpes: so i'm running slackware with homebrew for linux. base system comes with most things you need to run linux userspace, and if i want something extra i just build it with brew. old dog new tricks
phf: none of that "rebuilding stage 3 with -O30 -mi868a" bullshit :>
danielpbarron: "blocks" : 346223, btw
mircea_popescu: 50k to go
assbot: Taiwan: Tsai Ing-wen Elected as First Female President ... ( http://bit.ly/208MXue )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban. << It is, but prolly ought to make sure power ranger nodes don't drop our connecion if we're expecteded to pass some flag while running protocol version 99999
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:06:37; BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." << SHould be fixed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles
mircea_popescu: ok but i mean, instead of article ?
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/688398372521168896 << this guy is the christina applegate of married-with-vcoinks.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort << I imagine ben_vulpes mac has color display greater than 9"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ok but i mean, instead of article ? Ah. missed that it snuck in there. Need to check the front page more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7069 @ 0.00052698 = 3.7252 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think i'm ironically much more famous among the idiot us-democrat crowd than among the idiot us-republican crowd.
BingoBoingo: Probably this year
BingoBoingo: In 2012 prolly reversed
mircea_popescu: i don't think either side knew enough of the world back then
BingoBoingo: Well, smaller sample size
mircea_popescu: http://jezebel.com/i-will-eat-chipotle-until-it-fucking-kills-me-1753170975 << in even other news nobody cares about, the one thing mayo gendered retards aka web-feminists are dedicated to is eating dirt until they pop.
assbot: I Will Eat Chipotle Until It Fucking Kills Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0wrx )
mircea_popescu: " I refuse to be deterred by conventional safety. I will eat Chipotle until it fucking kills me.
mircea_popescu: The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school."
BingoBoingo: This really is how the US will fall. The few will be unable to keep with with the many who can not wipe their ass.
assbot: We Talked to a Witch Who Casts Viruses Out of Computers With Magic | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0JuS )
BingoBoingo: It will be impossible for all of these planets to get their asses wiped.
BingoBoingo: Anal fistulas will become the leading cause of mortality in the United States.
mircea_popescu is doing his part by extracting young hottie nurses from the system.
mircea_popescu: (who the fuck knew - nurses are like the one profession with the largest bdsm bent, it's HUGE.)
BingoBoingo: seriously
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.02, vol: 7047.73459568 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.999, vol: 6058.14456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.7, vol: 15400.56479562 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.29341837 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.4358, vol: 61172.33880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.97, vol: 135.48794721 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.074910889, vol: 52.17730934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 385.140188659
BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday
mircea_popescu: the us banks seem to be getting more holidays than argentina
BingoBoingo: Martin Luther King day
BingoBoingo: But yes, they get lots of planned holidays
gernika: ;ud broomstick
gernika: dammit assbot
gernika: ;;ud broomstick
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Broom+Stick | broomstick. v. Lie your female partner on her back, grab your nutsack and put it in her vagina while grabbing your penis with both hands, one over the other (in ...
mircea_popescu: "how do you spell illiterate ?" "look it up in the dictionary." "how am i going to look it up if i don't know how to spell it ?!"
assbot: Lying Liar Connie St. Louis Just Accused Me Of Calling For An Assassination! - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqYrrA )
BingoBoingo: Some people just can't go all the way
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