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deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School, Part III. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/15/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school-part-iii/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00050724 = 4.5652 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson
BingoBoingo: it happens
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonness
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:16:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering
pete_dushenski: it was discontinued due to poor sales.
pete_dushenski: though a few of them are still to be found on the streets around here. though a lamborghini is a more common sighting.
BingoBoingo: They really should reintroduce it this year
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.22, vol: 35524.57929436 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 373.063, vol: 24358.00231 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.51, vol: 121576.55024584 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 375.981487, vol: 92646.55420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.32, vol: 609.38427365 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 308.93380557 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 373.574225317
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 372.5, Best ask: 372.51, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 372.51, 24 hour volume: 121554.83699054, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 417.9, 24 hour vwap: None
copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work
pete_dushenski: i wonder what kids would think of me if i drove a 'cxt' ?
pete_dushenski: probably "that asshole hates the environment. what a pig !"
copypaste: i'd think you were a farmer
copypaste: or some other american rural dweller
pete_dushenski: that's actually reasonably fair, even if the only guy i ever knew who owned a 'cxt' was an industrial pipe-fitter or plumber or something of the sort
pete_dushenski: husband of a former colleague
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00050439 = 4.363 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: speaking of 'international', just found the BingoBoingo-special : http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/652995075/overview/
assbot: 1977 International RALLY, $26,768 - Cars.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgP0fY )
BingoBoingo: That's actually not a bad price
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 26768/372
gribble: 71.9569892473
BingoBoingo: Of course it's a bad price in BTC
BingoBoingo: But it's not a bad price in say Ohio McMansions
pete_dushenski: too bad ohio mcmansions aren't on the blockchain then
pete_dushenski: (yes, wall streeters reading this, ~the~ blockchain, not "a")
BingoBoingo: Well you gotta blame the20year for that problem
assbot: There Is No "Bitcoin 2.0" | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQlhWR )
pete_dushenski: wow, almost two years ago eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00050166 = 3.01 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: ;;seen The20yearirc
gribble: I have not seen The20yearirc.
pete_dushenski: what was it..
pete_dushenski: ;;seen the20yearirclous
gribble: I have not seen the20yearirclous.
pete_dushenski: ;;seen The20YearIRCloud
gribble: The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Why/where?
pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT
assbot: Havelock Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgPWRB )
BingoBoingo: Could not get his tenants to take pictures with posters for dope money
pete_dushenski: he could've taken the pics himself, collected the donations too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050567 = 7.9643 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: In other news Qntra comment to post differential is now back up to 304
BingoBoingo: !up kingking190
kingking190: Hey guys ^_^
kingking190: How is bitcoin doing tonight ?
BingoBoingo: Wonderful
kingking190: so what are you guys up to ?
pete_dushenski: playing house. you wanna be the fireman or the doctor ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00050727 = 1.8556 BTC [+]
kingking190: whats the price now ?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.72, vol: 35499.20733251 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 365.821, vol: 24741.42222 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 368.3, vol: 122413.87469575 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 373.387818, vol: 94005.37010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.16001, vol: 610.30129482 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 369.612942207
kingking190: thanks
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2452.62, vol: 94010.96910000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2452.62
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 257.217408, vol: 35499.29556780 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 257.7645, vol: 24771.86207 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 263.025, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 261.962244, vol: 94006.93770000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 260.0, vol: 44.73258408 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 267.882346, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 260.211990616
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 336.062208, vol: 35499.15579493 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 341.1693, vol: 520.84706 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 343.65, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 342.198688, vol: 94011.45260000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 338.64001, vol: 23064.895381 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.21, vol: 307.6416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 340.248534409
punkman: bon dia
pete_dushenski: hola senor
punkman: nice price eh
pete_dushenski: higher than it was last year at this time :)
kingking190: ;;ticker -- market all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371961 << speaking of which, are transactions without strict-DER encoding still getting through?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:44:54; mod6: who's up to speed on DER?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050726 = 4.1717 BTC [-]
kingking190: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.87, vol: 35390.33590136 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.296, vol: 24740.45312 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 369.45, vol: 123089.05550487 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 372.2212, vol: 94584.78930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.3101, vol: 609.35545635 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.887264, vol: 295.46809622 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: !gettrust kingking190
assbot: kingking190 is not registered in WoT.
pete_dushenski: get in the wot, wouldja
BingoBoingo: punkman: No, incapable of getting mined into a block that won't be orphaned
assbot: Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )
kingking190: who me ?
BingoBoingo: yes you
pete_dushenski: couldn't be ! then who ? number two !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371193 << i actually got it and i'm not even a soviet refugee
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 15:28:39; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref
kingking190: How do i get Wot ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050725 = 4.4638 BTC [-]
kingking190: yes sir
assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00050082 = 11.2339 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: !up kingking190
kingking190: hmmm says as a windows user i can't get wot ? >_>
BingoBoingo: Mebbe fix the windows user part?
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 18:09:07; *: trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't
BingoBoingo: Got a crappy old laptop you can try linux on kingking190
kingking190: lol i have linux on my server :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14255 @ 0.00049895 = 7.1125 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: A server's a pretty shitty place to keep personal private key material
pete_dushenski: bout the same as windows, really
kingking190: >_< i don't keep anything personal on there mate.............
kingking190: same with windows.......
pete_dushenski: you have any bitcoin ?
kingking190: >_> yes and its safe from you.
pete_dushenski: lemme guess, trezor ?
kingking190: and why would i go telling everone where it is? >_>
assbot: Cryptsy Blog — Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/2364INd )
kingking190: like yes yell to the world where my safe is lol
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Well you're actually supposed to do that the the decoy safe you keep full of FOOF
BingoBoingo: !s FOOF
assbot: 5 results for 'FOOF' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=FOOF
kingking190: well in that case yes its on this computer.......
punkman: "At one time we had a open communication with Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him – so he was no longer somebody we could report this to.  Recently I attempted to contact the Miami FBI office to report this, but they instead directed me to report it on the I3C website.  I’ve not heard anything from them."
kingking190: btw the back doors are open for everyone lol :P
BingoBoingo: kingking190: If your computer was full of FOOF I doubt it would be on, much less on irc.
kingking190: lol so when do you guys think of buy more bitcoin ?
BingoBoingo: Might as well if you can
punkman: erryday
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:19:52; pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !!
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Us poorfags though who can not afford FOOF are stuck with thermite
kingking190: YAY thermite !!!
kingking190: I have a mac but too lazy to go down to the car and get it.
kingking190: its -20f here :(
pete_dushenski: brisk, baby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00049295 = 3.6232 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: -20f is too warm a temperature for storing FOOF
BingoBoingo: far too warm
kingking190: seems dead in here
BingoBoingo: key line generators are asleep
kingking190: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 35286.08020648 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 359.123, vol: 25400.10303 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.5, vol: 126585.24866502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.598585, vol: 97736.48050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 364.144, vol: 630.52793496 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.562912, vol: 296.11653737 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
kingking190: yay drop more !!!!
punkman: kingking190: you should probably get an old laptop and airgap it, then you can safely generate both GPG and Bitcoin keys on it
kingking190: ya i should
kingking190: just too lazy right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.00049894 = 5.3252 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Also consider getting a FOOF system for the Patek Phillipe of fail deadly area denial
kingking190: hmmm ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371581 << growing up, mine as well. they're actually native to these parts, if rare. their 'snowshoe' paws always fascinated me.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:04:36; ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid
kingking190: How do i WoT on here ?
assbot: Things I Won’t Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/2365F88 )
pete_dushenski: kingking190: less talking more reading.
BingoBoingo: <kingking190> How do i WoT on here ? << You basically read up for a few months, demonstrate you aren't an irredeemable lout and less talking more doing. It works if you work it.
assbot: ASUS Chromebook C201 ... ( http://bit.ly/2365GZY )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371626 << it's more like, "i have such a winning personality that beautiful people can't help but hang around me. maybe you'll be ~yet another~ such lucky person."
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:26:39; mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right
kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.
pete_dushenski: kingking190: if you just made the key, make sure you've sent it to the keyservers, then wait a few for it to propagate
pete_dushenski: otherwise, good form so far.
kingking190: i had waited like 5 mins lol guess i can wait some more.
kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
pete_dushenski: try sending to keyserver again. if you already have, just hang tight. there's no rush.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371750 << gavin et al. could've at least tried something more descriptive like "bitcoin double" or "bitcoin plus" or "bitcoin extra" or "bitcoin supersize" etc etc.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:33:36; mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"...
pete_dushenski: !up kingking190
kingking190: hmmm ok
kingking190: says i been registerd
pete_dushenski: !rate kingking190 1 let's give this a shot
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5114aaf160eb22d
kingking190: there we go :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049589 = 5.9011 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.kingking190.1:a71e096874e6f4e4c229b49495aa87900f4636c339a49a3e27b8e180085359e1
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kingking190 with note: let's give this a shot
kingking190: thank you much
pete_dushenski: now you can /msg assbot !up then decrypt the otp then !v it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0422 BTC [-]
kingking190: now that part i am lost at ....
pete_dushenski: type `/msg assbot !up`
kingking190: i did...
BingoBoingo: !down kingking190 lurk moar until you aren't lost
kingking190: sent me back a link
pete_dushenski: then follow the link that assbot gives you
pete_dushenski: k. then go to the link and copy and paste it into a new txt document
BingoBoingo: Oh midnightmagic I thought you were done with this channel?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: then in your command line tool, type `gpg --decrypt filename.txt`
pete_dushenski: you'll enter your passphrase and it'll spit out the decrypted message
pete_dushenski: copy that, go back to irc and tell assbot `!v decryptedfilename.txt`
pete_dushenski: "The Bitcoin experiment is six years old." << hey fred wilson, it's 7 yo. can you count ?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: aha. wd.
kingking190: thanks pete for the help
pete_dushenski: all good :)
kingking190: !down BingoBoingo no help
pete_dushenski: kingking190: so are you a trader ? or what do you do ? you american ?
kingking190: american
kingking190: i trader for fun
kingking190: I am a trader for fun not tooo big..
kingking190: just 18 hours with out sleep.
pete_dushenski: aha. day job ?
kingking190: you know computer hacker j/k i repair computers / ETC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00049295 = 2.1059 BTC [-] {2}
kingking190: i like the job. only had it for about 60 days
assbot: 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman in Hijab - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4EK5A )
kingking190: but the boss is nice. Plus the hours are good.
pete_dushenski: kingking190: what'd you do before ?
kingking190: >_< construction
pete_dushenski: yeah that's slowing down eh
kingking190: i hated it
kingking190: when i met my wife she told me. " you got one year to find a job you like or back to construction with you"
pete_dushenski: a woman in charge (but accommodating)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00049295 = 4.2147 BTC [-]
kingking190: eh its fine i love her ^_^
kingking190: been with her for 3 years now.
pete_dushenski: if you don't mind me asking, how old are you ?
pete_dushenski: (to give "3 years" context)
kingking190: i been sick for the last week it sucks
kingking190: 26 now
pete_dushenski: ah well then 3 years is pretty decent :)
pete_dushenski: !up frogman_
ben_vulpes: o gawd pete_dushenski the cxt
kingking190: been married for two years now.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol!
pete_dushenski: ima have a cxt parked next to my zonda.
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: me? no, never. you guys are differently-informed than anyone else. I would miss important things if I weren't in here lurking.
pete_dushenski: kingking190: cool beans. well over half the dudes in here are married / in long-term relationships so you're in good company.
BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?
kingking190: pete_dushenski, i love being married never got to wonder what i am doing this weekend lol
kingking190: pete_dushenski, plus always have a girl in the bed can't whine about that ^_^
kingking190: ;ticker --market all
BingoBoingo: kingking190: What if wife breaks contract and turns into an Obeast Hamplanet?
kingking190: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.19, vol: 34416.70759602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 358.85, vol: 26425.32616 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.85, vol: 126477.16867845 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.775864, vol: 99766.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.07, vol: 604.11409206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 354.651021109, vol: 351.92414883 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: kingking190: mebbe don't spam the ticker so much? Especially if you aren't going to ;;more to get the average?
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: Hrm. No, and that occupation has a terrible name. I'm Canadian. The gun culture up here is mostly ex-americans and preppers and they bury themselves where nobody can find them.
kingking190: BingoBoingo, ^_^ i make her RUN!!!! RUN!!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00049409 = 13.6616 BTC [+] {4}
midnightmagic: Unless you're in Alberta! Then it's all "shit the Metis might have another uprising, argh"
kingking190: BingoBoingo, do you whine about everything ? or just some stuff ?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: that's no way for a n00b to talk, kid.
BingoBoingo: kingking190: I've only been sober for jsut under 3 months now. I'm still getting used to this whole deal that goes with not being a blackout drunk. Serious lifestyle changes involved.
kingking190: BingoBoingo, oh i'm sorry wish you the best of luck. stay sober! ( goes and grabs a beer)
BingoBoingo: Also discoveries made. Like coffee does a much better job promoting wakefulness when it isn't just used as a delivery vehicle for Irish cream.
kingking190: pete_dushenski, i am who i am kinda hard not to be.
pete_dushenski: if only that were true...
kingking190: pete_dushenski, i alway say whats on my mind ( why my wife hits me soo much LOL!!!! )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Were you around for the early shittalking between n00b BingoBoingo and n00b ben_vulpes in an episode that seriously confused mircea_popescu sometime around August 2013?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: y'know, given your unsolicited professions of love for your wife earlier, that she hits you isn't the least bit surprising.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This came around the time Eve online was on its decline as a #b-a fad
kingking190: pete_dushenski, ^_^ she calls them love taps hahahahahaha
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just ever so slightly before my time. mighta read it during my 'yeshiva' but don't recall the specifics atm.
frogman_: hi everyone
frogman_: thanks pete_dushenski
kingking190: pete_dushenski: i am not sure the book bag was a love tap LOL >_> it was full at that time T_T
pete_dushenski: np frogman_. who might you be ?
frogman_: im a new comer to bitcoin
kingking190: The worlds best hacker RUN RUN RUN !!!
frogman_: my friend told me to check this out
frogman_: so im here
kingking190: Well welcome to Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: Welcome. Keep coming back. It works when you work it.
frogman_: thanks
kingking190: pete_dushenski: so what are you doing tonight ?
frogman_: So im trying to buy my first bitcoin
kingking190: coinbase was where i got my first one... well wait i mined my first one. but the first one i got with real money lol
kingking190: i like coinbase setup so far.
frogman_: wow thats cool
pete_dushenski: kingking190: reading finance news/logs and blogging a bit earlier, flipping through tumblr pr0n atm. pretty standard evening.
kingking190: pete_dushenski: get a wife/ girl friend to help you with the pr0n.
frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How's pantagruel been?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8312 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0974 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: quite well :)
kingking190: well then i guess my wife is rally good ^_^
BingoBoingo: !up cazalla
cazalla: down down, prices are down!
cazalla: evening
BingoBoingo: Have a CoinacolaclassicwithLime
kingking190: prices are going up up up up !!!
frogman_: so all of you are writing on qntra regularly :)
kingking190: i like to trader LTC and XMR
kingking190: TRade *
kingking190: >_< soooooo sleeply
BingoBoingo: A lot of people have given it a swing, but some write more regularly than others.
cazalla: kingking190, nah prices are definitely down, picking up all these cheaps coins will give you a hearnia!
BingoBoingo: Do moar squats!!!
pete_dushenski: deadlifts too
frogman_: yes specially you BingoBoingo!
kingking190: i will just go play with my wife some more.
pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, been doing em, already added 50kg to my squat since november (90kg then, 140kg yesterday)
BingoBoingo does not yet trust back enough to try deadlifts.
BingoBoingo: sweet cazalla
cazalla: not in the squat rack though, this sliding one where u stand in it like a space man
cazalla: like this, but more vertical and less black dudes http://i.imgur.com/6szKPkT.png
BingoBoingo: Smith machine
BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz
cazalla: yeah sorta doesn't count eh, not hitting dem stabilisers, but using the machines to avoid injury, i always end up with some nagging injury from free weights
cazalla: still, butts to the floor, none of that half squat shit
cazalla: so, all this drama over hearnia, when i thought he said he left already?
kingking190: nothing to say about this lol
cazalla: kingking190, hearnia or weight lifting?
kingking190: cazalla : nothing on that stuff
cazalla: both? oh ok
cazalla: maybe you should lift so your wife doesn't think you have low t or something
kingking190: LOL i pick up my wife just about every night and take her to bed.
cazalla: does she fall asleep in front of the tv?
kingking190: >_< no she plays video games untill she falls asleep :P
cazalla: a gamer girl? fuck, i hate them (no offense)
kingking190: LOL why is that ?
cazalla: well, you know the likes of kaceytron?
pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir
cazalla: kingking190, she's a cam whore masquerading as a gamer girl, problem is, porn is easily accessible, so i don't really need to see all these cam whores on sites like twitch.tv
cazalla: great tits though
kingking190: lol i play games not watch people play them lol
assbot: Who is Kaceytron - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4J1pF )
kingking190: anyways why would i watch a gamer girl play when i have one to grab right here ?
cazalla: because i have a missus and i know that grows boring after the x month
cazalla: watching games is OK, depends on the game
punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz
kingking190: meh i love my wife so i can't get board
BingoBoingo: But does time love your wife?
cazalla: the whole girls play games thing though is really just women playing games aka advertising apps on their iphone
kingking190: BingoBoingo, yes :P
BingoBoingo: kingking190: 3 decades from nao?
kingking190: BigBitz, she will look lovely to me
cazalla: kingking190, yellow fever huh?
kingking190: cazalla, hey she the love of my life.
cazalla: kingking190, you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam (where i saw the avatar of you and the wife)
cazalla: well, that's a nice thing
BingoBoingo: lol still using btcjam?
assbot: kingking190 - BTCJam ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JuIx )
kingking190: i have no loan out
BingoBoingo: There are seriously some lessons much better learned 3 or 4 years ago
kingking190: looking my user name up ?
kingking190: you going to find everthing
kingking190: used that user name for anything since i was 10
kingking190: ^_^ yes
cazalla: soz, i am only playing :) god knows my missus does not look near as good as she did when we first mete
kingking190: she still looks the same as she did when i first met her ^_^
kingking190: well better
cazalla: bonus points to you then
kingking190: anyways why are you giving me so much shit about this anyways ?
cazalla: tbh, this is how much australians talk to each other in conversation
cazalla: most*
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Here you have to be sensitive to actual cultural diversity
BingoBoingo: !up cazalla
kingking190: ahh its fine just poking a bit fun back :(
kingking190: don't get too mad
cazalla: kingking190, ya not worried ya kids will end up supreme gentlemen?
kingking190: why would i be worried ?
cazalla: you know, the elliot rodger type when white meets yellow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lBPMiZakY
assbot: Elliot Rodger Smokes Weed Everyday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4Kn3A )
kingking190: i am not worried
punkman: you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam << lending money on btcjam is stupid, taking their money, eh, why not
BingoBoingo more worried about... giving BTCJam any information at all
BingoBoingo: !up op_null2_
cazalla: punkman, if he's borrowing, i'd bet he's lending too
cazalla: otherwise his account would've been shitcanned for scamming already
kingking190: i did for a bit but not anymore
op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?
kingking190: i made good money on there.
kingking190: Theres a trick to getting loans out and make good money on them.
BingoBoingo: op_null2_: This one seems less liek a legit crash and more like a broomstick firing http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
assbot: So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
punkman: op_null2_: the "community" can't rub two bitcents together so what do they care about price
kingking190: but they don't let us do that anymore .
kingking190: you could pull out like 5 btc on a 5% loan for 30 days
punkman: kingking190: and what if the guy runs with your 100btc
kingking190: punkman, not talking about lending. talking about pulling a loan out >_<
cazalla: kingking190, i hear asian women make good wives, is that true?
cazalla: in that they are more subservient, treat you like a real man without actually having to be one
kingking190: cazalla, depens what you want? if you want a girl who treats you good yes but if you mess with them there not like USA girls where they walk out....
kingking190: they will do much worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10586 @ 0.00049839 = 5.276 BTC [+] {2}
kingking190: plus there not like USA girls where ( oh you lost all your money pour thing she leaves you.)
kingking190: hell we both slept on the floor for 6 months
kingking190: and ate romen noodles for 2 months
cazalla: birthdays was the worst days?
kingking190: what do you mean ?
assbot: Switzerland seizing assets from refugees to cover costs | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4LTmq )
cazalla: ya know, that you and ya missus went from negative to positive, and it's all good!
cazalla: what assets to refos have?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00049922 = 5.4899 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."
cazalla: from that article it would seem the refos have more savings than the locals
punkman: cazalla: not all the refugees are dirt poor
cazalla: times like this i'm glad to be down under.. good fucking luck swimming that distance to get here
kingking190: i wish XMR would go up
kingking190: i sitting on about 1k
cazalla: what's that? moronero?
BingoBoingo: punkman: ty for link
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony one of your fans is visiting
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kingking190: i am really hoping LTC jumps
punkman: 0.001 xmr/btc eh, I bought/sold some around 0.005, glad I didn't stick with it
kingking190: i made some really good money on XMR
kingking190: made about 5.7 btc alone on that one
cazalla: why are you relegated to hope then kingking190 ?
BingoBoingo: !up kingking190
BingoBoingo: !up op_null2
op_null2: Thanks.
kingking190: hmm what do you mean cazalla ?
op_null2: What ever happened to mircea_popescu 's bet that Ethereum wouldn't launch?
op_null2: or would be vaporware
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049301 = 3.1553 BTC [-] {3}
op_null2: did he pay out?
cazalla: op_null2, none of you cunts put your money where your mouth is, at least until after the fact like now
op_null2: so nobody took him up on the bet?
cazalla: kingking190, hoping litecoin goes up doesn't seem like a sound strategy that's all i'm saying
BingoBoingo: op_null2: One person took it and never returned with a private key to claim it
punkman: there were some bitbet bets too
BingoBoingo: op_null2: Multiple morals from that story
op_null2: interesting. I thought it was a joke. seemed like he was giving himself bad odds
cazalla: why didn't you bet then op_null2 ?
op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."
kingking190: cazalla, i have done the math and everything. but i just hope i am not wrong by some dumb luck
op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched
cazalla: no-one is gonna use that op_null2
kingking190: cazalla, plus the market could turn bad really fast one big market goes offline than Bang market drops ( well i will buy more but) still like shit!
op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol
cazalla: kingking190, i tried that trading game in early 2013, didn't work out for me, much better approach has been to buy and just hold bitcoin
cazalla: all these things mircea_popescu could've done, how about what you could've done op_null2 ? nothing at all eh?
kingking190: ok well wifey says it bed time!
kingking190: you know what thet means YAY!!!!!!
op_null2: cazalla: $9 million in Augur from thousands of users. They'll use it.
op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions
cazalla: didn't augur scam the early investers anyway? changed it from investor to donations or something later on
cazalla: kingking190, have fun
op_null2: cazalla: no, its all accounted for
cazalla: yeah, i bet it is
deedbot-: [Qntra] Fiat Market Slide, fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Follow In Friday Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-market-slide-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-follow-in-friday-trading/
punkman: "The crowd is smart. Use its expertise to beat the experts with... Stunningly Accurate Predictions" topkek
punkman: (augur's tagline)
fluffypony: lol BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa in Bitcoin doing?
BingoBoingo: Or is it Bitdong in Africacoin
fluffypony: we only trade in cattle here
fluffypony: BitCattle
BingoBoingo: Any urgent corrections I should make to latest qntra post before trying to sleep?
punkman: "Augur hedged a significant portion of its holdings (13,500 BTC).  Via itBit, Augur sold at an average of US$227 per BTC with $10/coin borrowing cost, netting the Project $217 per BTC." geniuses
op_null2: better than holding it and it drops in half -- like ethereum did
op_null2: converting 50% to fiat is smart
cazalla: i guess it's smart when it's not your own money
punkman: they could have paid themselves in btc, wanted dollars instead
cazalla: sounds like pokeman cards to me, augur investors handed over their money for some ultra rare pokemans
cazalla: augur 2.0 must be in the works i'd imagine
punkman: https://sale.augur.net/ hah, their money went to multisig adress controlled by their foundation, BitGo and Buterin
assbot: Augur - Fund the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwC75 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00049845 = 2.9917 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "sold all but 1,000 BTC and 100,000 ETH via over the counter (OTC) trades" "opened up a brokerage account to secure a portion of our funds in relatively secure, short term US Treasury bonds, to earn some return above bank rate interest"
punkman: "Augur has also contributed $20,000 to an R&D project to transition the Ethereum network from a proof of work (POW) to a proof of stake (POS) system so it can operate at higher speeds, handle more transactions and thereby become more competitive"
punkman: yeah 2nd crowdsale can't be far off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36972 @ 0.00050692 = 18.7418 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12478 @ 0.00050772 = 6.3353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00050772 = 3.554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15329 @ 0.00050591 = 7.7551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.0005059 = 8.4516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.00049295 = 7.8542 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049199 = 6.4451 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.00050674 = 6.5451 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0005102 = 6.1734 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: night all
copypaste: POS is the perfect name for what it is. Piece of shit.
copypaste: It doesn't get more honest than that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050789 = 3.1235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00049311 = 3.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00050311 = 2.6413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0005095 = 7.184 BTC [+] {2}
PeterL: goodmorning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10295 @ 0.0005102 = 5.2525 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: good morning
thestringpuller: someone just compared Hearnia to Batman/Bruce Wayne. As a batman true believer, I was hihgly insulted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12158 @ 0.00050211 = 6.1047 BTC [-] {4}
PeterL: I don't get it, how could anybody compare them?
thestringpuller: lemme find link
shinohai: No other Bitcoin subreddit makes my head hurt more than r/btc lately
PeterL: Hearnia is an idiot, and whoever this apologist is, they are an even bigger idiot
PeterL: I have never seen anything worthwhile on reddit, seems like a place for idiots to gather and waste time/energy
shinohai: I don't even have account anymore, I just have it in my .rss feed
mircea_popescu: shinohai i looked through that thing yest, went "hmm, reddit went very weird ?" then realised that it's not r/bitcoin, nor r/buttcoin nor r/bitcoinxt but YET ANOTHER subreddit.
mircea_popescu: apparently the crazies can't really thrive together, need to splinter into smaller cjs.
shinohai: I forgot to check if anyone reserved r/bitcoinclassic yet
shinohai: yup, set to private. Gotta keep it locked while we make moar vaporware.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna run out of names, end up like the neoprotestant "churches" in the us. "the true universal international church" and blabla.
mircea_popescu: very american this process, "we forked xtianity" "oh yeah ? what did you add ?" "the name!" "do you know the faith ?" "wut ?"
shinohai: ^ Exactly like that
mircea_popescu: there's at least nine thousand "denim-inations" the sum total of whose intellectual production adds up to half a tract of an obscure irish preacher from 1840.
thestringpuller: drunk on whiskey in church and all!
mircea_popescu: (the irish weren't exactly regarded as clever or scholarly in english at the time ; the english in turn didn't make much court at rome)
PeterL: how about we just study the Gospel of Thomas and be nice to people?
mircea_popescu: but what are you gonna call it!
PeterL: why do we need to call it anything?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well the toomims are calling your bluff, but Gavin in his recent article realizes the uphill struggle and just knows that "hey it's probably not going to work out but worth a shot", sometimes I wonder about that d00d. Eats glue but rather conscious of the actual situation.
thestringpuller: "calling your bluff" as if it could be called that tho.
thestringpuller: (for lack of better phrasing atm)
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mircea_popescu: well the difference between the two is that one has an extra peritoneal hole
mircea_popescu: PeterL ianaeasnps, but i think technically the name'd be wesleyanism
PeterL: "ianaeasnps" - i am not an expert at such namining protestant sects?
mircea_popescu: not an expert in anglo saxon neo protestant sects
PeterL: aha, I was close
mircea_popescu: it's a category in patristics, sorta like you know, the weird corner of the library. the TRULY weird corner.
mircea_popescu: most people resolve the problem by declaring that there's no paters past ~500ish ad and that's that.
PeterL: I guess you could also say that nobodies don't get to name themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.0005005 = 1.4224 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
mircea_popescu: but these are particularly confounded since the introduction of the printing press and the legal profession.
thestringpuller: OMG. "The network is broken because it takes longer for payments to get confirmed. Who would wait 60 minutes or 14 hours for a payment?!?" Holy fuck-wits, people eat this shit up? Why are these people so stupid? :(
mircea_popescu: (the idea that "everyone plays monopoly - lawyers are the people who read the inside of the cover of the box" is very much modern. take for instance Maurice Evans' well written response to temptation : http://trilema.com/2014/understanding-argentinas-coming-default-for-real-this-time/#selection-131.1-135.146 )
assbot: Understanding Argentina’s Coming Default, For Real This Time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SodZML )
mircea_popescu: omfg this log!
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:52:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonn
mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying humbly to copy and f
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:57:11; copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work
mircea_popescu: ailing miserably at producing art through this process.
mircea_popescu: compared to this, the ineffectual, ineffective and brief anglo tradition of "originality" is both forced and sad.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 06:18:23; pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372043 << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們！"
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 06:50:35; BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money
mircea_popescu: "OMG I just died laughing at this profile, stupidly hilarious! I'm so dead I'm writing this from the grave motherfucker. It's like Family Guy meets Frasier, BRAVO!"
mircea_popescu: which were these, the derp who was supposedly married to patricia heaton and who's the other one ?
thestringpuller: you've never seen family guy?
mircea_popescu: i think so
mircea_popescu: can't remember anything past the chick tho
thestringpuller: it's just a rehash of the simpsons at this point just with more juvenile humor.
mircea_popescu: wait, this is a cartoon ?
mircea_popescu: oh fuck i was thinking of "everyone loves raymond"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37143 @ 0.0005005 = 18.5901 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: you've seen fraiser though (i assume)
mircea_popescu: premiering on September 16, 1993 << heh, too late.
mircea_popescu: The series was created as a spin-off of Cheers << ahahahaha omfg.
mircea_popescu: cheers had A SPINOFF ?!
thestringpuller: yea. lol "cheers but for smart people" is how i remember it being marketed
thestringpuller: instead of a bar we hang out in coffee shops!
mircea_popescu: well... the few sitcoms i knew came out in a brief one-two year interval around 1990.
mircea_popescu: 1987-1989, something like that.
mircea_popescu: "Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him" yeah, it... happened. it happened ~with~.
mircea_popescu: herp phenomenology i swear.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372146 << i guess it must be. or else it could be the ballas-diagnosed "challenge you to like me" sorta psychotic behaviour.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 07:49:28; pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.
mircea_popescu: where was that article...
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Settle For The Man You Want ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUhDNQ )
mircea_popescu: i always thought that for someone who barely fucked, he had an extremely keen understanding of female fringe psychology.
thestringpuller: how does fucking correlate to knowledge of female psychology if you don't mind?
mircea_popescu: through the institution of talking.
thestringpuller: can't you do that by just cuddling?
mircea_popescu: recall that thread about how language is the explanation of the extremely slutty behaviour of humans as opposed to all other mammals ?
mircea_popescu: well, you, in the sense of you know, single case, can, sure. but statistically speaking, correlations appear.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: having trouble finding thread on slutty behavior
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13761 @ 0.00051022 = 7.0211 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lemme see here
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:13:38; trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372220 << lmao guy makes one innocent comment, never lives to hear the end of it.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:17:23; BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:34:19; frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:35:07; pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0005066 = 5.2686 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: thanks for the thread link MP makes a lot of sense.
mircea_popescu: he probably did a lot of talk therapy with nutty adolescent chicks or something.
thestringpuller: so been reading about mises and rothbard and anarcho-capitalism. i think the "majority revolting" isn't revolting about an issue, but subconsciously rejecting the anarcho-capitalist nature of bitcoin.
thestringpuller: people being told "they aren't equal" seems to strike a chord that brings up crazy emotion.
thestringpuller: so you get people saying "blah blah conflict of interest" when in actuality I don't think conflict of interest can actually exist in bitcoin since it's all private sovereign entities voluntarily participating.
mircea_popescu: eh, generally "the majority" just wants nothing to exist.
mircea_popescu: easier that way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372292 << i can lift any of the girls, and am happy with that. lbs, who needs 'em!
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:44:15; *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 754524848.626
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.5 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 3 weeks | weight: 85`002 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372320 << you know the progression of great tits in gamer teams ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:55:54; cazalla: great tits though
mircea_popescu: (starts off as cleric, healing everyone, progresses to girl under the table, sucking off everyone)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00051023 = 16.8912 BTC [+]
copypaste: mircea_popescu: all that has to happen is a fire in chinese mining farm ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00049786 = 4.6057 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well, maybe not that. but the problem is purely economic : a quarter exahash is expensive as all fuck
mircea_popescu: and, contrary to the sugarcoated version of reality "devs" like to present, it doesn't buy the owner all that much.
mircea_popescu: in fact it buys them pretty much squat.
mircea_popescu: course, it's impolitic to say this publicly, because hey, "we", ie the ploughing flies, absolutely LOVE to prop themselves on others' work, and so every derp pouring code into a black hole he calls github feels his own personal fortune increased for some reason every time a miner puts a rig online.
mircea_popescu: in fact, we are at a crossroads - miner manufacturers have figured out at some point last year that cartelization is actually more productive in fiat terms for them than supplying the open market. by now they have the unmitigated cheek to publicly attempt to influence politics. imagine the outrage back in the day if BFL had dared to say what bitfury dares today.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:57:43; punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36710 @ 0.00049644 = 18.2243 BTC [-]
copypaste: twitch isn't in the business of making money
copypaste: that's why
mircea_popescu: even so. the notion that girls should be dressed online is at best bizarre.
mircea_popescu: what, it snows in your internet ?
copypaste: indeed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372374 << "the community" of bitcoin-hating derps on social media ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:15:18; op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372394 <<< ahahaha swiss bankers and their fetish for other people's teeth.
adlai: when will freedom-hating derps learn that crashing properly leads to "sell, crash, ???, profit"?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:29:15; punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."
mircea_popescu: the swiss pimpvernment!!
mircea_popescu: so if i get a busload of nude ukrainian chicks in shitzerland and keep them chained to a basement wall "until they repay" bla bla, i'm basically being a confederate, just like all the rest of 'em. right ?
copypaste: so long as you have a permit
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:38:46; op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
assbot: BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February :: 0.31 B (82%) on Yes, 0.07 B (18%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8Y5JQ )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372434 <<< yeah, right. how about you port your sexing to birds and goats.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:39:47; op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched
copypaste: Jesus will be very popular when he comes back too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372437 << dude go back to cryptsy/glbse/whatever the fuck.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:41:02; op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol
mircea_popescu: fucking derps already. "ima advise my father on how to fuck because totally, my pimples are my shiedl"
mircea_popescu: "not like it's my job to conform my stupid head to the deeds of the greater men i perceive. i shall advise them instead!"
mircea_popescu: is this shithead even in the wot ?
thestringpuller: !gettrust !op_null2
assbot: !op_null2 is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !rate op_null2 -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.
assbot: op_null2 is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:42:29; op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions
thestringpuller: Everyone wants to be Marcus Lemonis without the portfolio to back it.
thestringpuller: that's actually a good idea for television. when btc businesses start failing and coming to MP for help, film it, and profit.
copypaste: hard to film an IRC log in a manner that would be entertaining to the average TV watcher
copypaste: perhaps it would work with many dramatizations
thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049472 = 4.9967 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: mod6: does bitcoin node stop when internet connection goes out?
thestringpuller: i pulled the plug on router and the node just stopped.
copypaste: depends what you mean by `stopped'
copypaste: did it exit?
thestringpuller: yea it exited when the connect failed
thestringpuller: was expecting it to reconnect.
mircea_popescu: op_null2_ (5f8fc663@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.143.198.99) aka http://www.evilbs.com/otc/?*~nulll123@*&*@static.7.11.9.176.clients.your-server.de* aka Dave Leimbrock
mircea_popescu: fu, derp.
mircea_popescu: go advise whoever the shit's too thick to read the logs, whydontcha.
copypaste: thestringpuller: yeah that does seem odd to me, likely a bug. if it was running as a daemon, it shouldn't exit due to an unstable network, at least one would assume
copypaste: i can't recall if i've ever experienced that with the node i run, but i don't think i have as i run it on a quite unstable network
thestringpuller: i was running it with & (backgrond mode)
thestringpuller: yea me too 99997k
thestringpuller: Just wanna get the thing synched and run the version patch and banhammer
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371272 practice has shown the porsche cayenne (ie. not even a pickup truck) has no problem to tear off and haul away an ATM.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:19:27; mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00051022 = 1.7705 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust s3gfault
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user s3gfault: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=s3gfault | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=s3gfault | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5ff2755a151d288a9c52727e4d0ce3f0a0646d8d7a23f484fb359c07
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate s3gfault -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
copypaste: What do we all think of https://i.imgur.com/dkbrjPx.gif ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 11:30:16; cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00051023 = 4.1543 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: copypaste we think that voting is a proved-to-work mechanism, in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: for anyone that doesn't wish to remember that the march fork was healed over mp saying noncontroversial and wishes to see what happens once mp doesn't say that... proceeding on a "vote" is the smartest move possible.
mircea_popescu: after all the point of life on earth is to find out things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.0005046 = 7.8067 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the very notion, you know, "we support a code bundle that's not written yet".
mircea_popescu: im sure if you ask these fuckwits they "support" windows.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that even mean ?
copypaste: well, now that you put it that way, next to nothing.
mircea_popescu: but hey, for a generation of worthless retards that's in love with a woman they've never met and will live or die depending on whether santa/thegovernment/isis paradrops them food & other supplies as needed... it makes perfect sense.
mircea_popescu: i'm in favour of the imperial house of jormania. hurr durr.
copypaste: i support la serenissima
mircea_popescu: (Ioan Petru Culianu reference, for the curious)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050474 = 6.8645 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: 20 is a middling amount of test number.
mircea_popescu: "For all the ways the manufactured crisis around the ClassicCoin hard fork push is made to seem more polished than the XTCoin manufactured crisis, the results of the effort somehow seem still more underwhelming." << word. ten times the effort, a tenth of the result.
mircea_popescu: apparently mining difficulty is not the only thing that went up over the years. submination difficulty also follows.
assbot: What happened with my Security BSides talk | VIOLET BLUE ... ( http://bit.ly/1n95AAe )
mircea_popescu: but i gotta say that's a splendeed piece BingoBoingo
mats: tl;dr presenter with nothing to do re: security, presents at BSides
mircea_popescu: show to be rebranded as "OhMySides", to move on F! tv ?
mats: “Well, there’s been a complaint about your talk.” He continued, “It’s from someone who is a rape survivor and they said they will be triggered by your talk if there’s any rape in it.”
mats: so 'triggered' is a thing now
mircea_popescu: you know, this may actually make a pretty decent show.
mircea_popescu: tie a buncha "rape survivors" etc in a chair and trigger the shit out of them.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like those rollercoaster ride pictures
mircea_popescu: trigger-porn.tumblr.com
mircea_popescu: seems a legitimate enough fetish. "honey... i can only get it up to the sweet music of bitchez gettin' triggered"
mats: if you produce i'll watch it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050402 = 4.7882 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: maybe if twitch produces it. the name seems well fit.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:38:38; thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.
mircea_popescu: "It had been decided months ago that I would give a talk at Security BSides San Francisco. The subject of my talk was up in the air until just before the conference started"
mircea_popescu: see ? same principle.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck this isn't the end of that whole bsides thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly their plain and open intellectual surrender.
mircea_popescu: "and the organizers were okay with that, but to not inconvenience or surprise the organizers, I decided to present the same talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012."
mircea_popescu: fancy that logic.
mircea_popescu: "Each BSides is a community-driven framework for building events for and by information security community members."
mircea_popescu: no, it ain't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00051047 = 4.7474 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: <+thestringpuller> yea it exited when the connect failed << would someone like to test this & log their results so we can put this one to bed? basically should be able to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`, then a `./bitcoind stop`, then the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again to see whats happening - perhaps even a tail of the last 100 lines of the debug log...
mod6: so, start up bitcoin, to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig <iface> down`, then see
mod6: to bring the interface back up `ifconfig <iface> up`
phf: apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc.
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M )
phf: aah, thanks
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for the gentoo novice, what are the major de-poetteringizing flags to be aware of and set?
ben_vulpes: !up noobsRus
ben_vulpes: "because the city decided that on-street auto parking directly in front of the stores was more important than all-ages bike access to the future of those districts." << heh, andersen with the subtle shiv
noobsRus: hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like to say thanks to all for bringing some clarity to the bigblocksforking nonsense that started last year
ben_vulpes: welcome noobsRus, no thanks necessary
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ? << hey, thanks for taking a look!
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt
mircea_popescu: !up noobsRus
ben_vulpes: regardless of what the merchants want, tight on-street parking is both the prime indicator that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do they know, they've forgotten the import of "foot traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is the utter best way to get more people trafficing past your dumb shop.
noobsRus: i appreciate the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist
ben_vulpes: who are you though
ben_vulpes: !gettrust noobsRus
assbot: noobsRus is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: lotta new faces this past week.
assbot: Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )
assbot: bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi )
mod6: i basically dropped that code into the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at that atm...
phf: ben_vulpes: portland seems to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised that this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering
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assbot: BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit | Dell SecureWorks ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxV5No )
mod6: looks like BIP 66 diffs reflect a bunch of der sig checking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00050255 = 1.7072 BTC [-] {2}
noobsRus: a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i think) the gravity of the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting
noobsRus: yes, i will look into the WoT too, once i figure out how to pgp correctly
noobsRus: or is it gpg
noobsRus: see, noob
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
noobsRus: anyways... i have one question at the moment that perhaps someone can answer
ben_vulpes: phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration. the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given that a car takes up > 8 m^2 of space for typically one user, and this imposes a hard upper bound on a) the number of cars in a space and b) the number of people you can cram into a space.
noobsRus: is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?
copypaste: gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable.
ben_vulpes: noobsRus: nobody gices a fuck about r/t/hn
copypaste: those sites have no value, so there is no value in doing anything with them.
noobsRus: that's a relief then
mircea_popescu: noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means.
mircea_popescu: few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive.
jurov: community-driven framework for collecting quotes (aka bash) updated.
ben_vulpes: phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand.
mircea_popescu: did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ?
jurov: i did not see any quotes in the air
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ofc
ben_vulpes: nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want.
mircea_popescu: damned hipsters and their gentrifying ways...
copypaste: quiznos? what a terrible franchise
copypaste: definitely the worst in murrika
noobsRus: thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself
ben_vulpes: parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.
copypaste: "brg44" is not in my WoT.
ben_vulpes: but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking.
noobsRus: it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse
ben_vulpes: noobsRus: NOBODY CARES
mircea_popescu: noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline".
copypaste: noobsRus: please shut up, no one cares about your internet wars on reddit or whatever
mircea_popescu: that's nice, but really
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copypaste: nothing done there matters
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you realise that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had to go by bike ?
ben_vulpes: this particular thread is old yes
ben_vulpes: your oddball habits don't really bear on cascadian city planning problems.
mircea_popescu: of course...i suppose if it comes to it i could just ride.
ben_vulpes: no dirigible parking anyways.
ben_vulpes: call a car, it's what i do
mircea_popescu: i would guess stables and all that takes just about as much space as parking does.
mircea_popescu: no i meant a horse.
ben_vulpes: i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure.
ben_vulpes: sure, nobody'd blink.
mircea_popescu: what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there
noobsRus: copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now
ben_vulpes: it's going to end up that way, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: possibru.
mircea_popescu: grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock.
ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for interstate
assbot: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/: Here's who doesn't belong in Bitcoin : you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxVXSi )
mircea_popescu: sure. roads have throughout the history of states been the largest expense.
mircea_popescu: horse still needs roads.
mircea_popescu: copypaste dude whay the haet!
copypaste: oh, he left already. goodbye.
ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes
ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and trams
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372530 << the Bible is all about God causing His people to scatter; Christ wondered aloud if any would still believe when He returns
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
ben_vulpes: heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way
mircea_popescu: i guess there's that.
copypaste: some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00050255 = 6.4553 BTC [-] {2}
copypaste: is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense
ben_vulpes: after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.
mircea_popescu: lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D
ben_vulpes: just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: earlier was pretty brutal lol.
ben_vulpes: ive nfi what bb and pete were thinking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050255 = 7.5383 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is it more difficult to malleate to low-s from high-s?
adlai: copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree
ben_vulpes: so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction.
mircea_popescu: because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ?
adlai is not in favor of moronic voicings, villages have room for many idiots but courts need precious few jesters
mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat anyway
thestringpuller: adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit.
mircea_popescu: "What I’m doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on to bigger and better things soon."
mircea_popescu: in case you were wondering what that is - probably reddit.
copypaste: OKCupid i figure
mircea_popescu: the "bigger and better" part i meant.
assbot: U.S. Navy’s New Fast Transport Ships Can’t Stand Buffeting From High Seas - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRcGDr )
mircea_popescu: won't the humiliations ever cease!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們！" << Just because it wins doesn't mean it can't still earn a chuckle.
thestringpuller: mod6: one second
adlai: thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright
thestringpuller: adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.
adlai: all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure
mircea_popescu: something to do with eth ?
thestringpuller: ethereum scammers herp derp
copypaste: yes, i got that too adlai
copypaste: "bitcoin is doomed to fail due to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of that nature.
adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)
fluffypony has been pinged
adlai: at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage
fluffypony: adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages
fluffypony: frikkin annoying
jurov: !s monero fork
assbot: 4 results for 'monero fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero+fork
jurov: not quite a implementation plurality
jurov: *an
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051073 = 6.8438 BTC [+]
adlai: fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain?
fluffypony: adlai: we'll probably move to annual later on, but yes
mircea_popescu: sure. the first year, two
copypaste: what happens if you just do nothing? you lost all your moneroj?
mircea_popescu: the next year, four.
mircea_popescu: and so on\
fluffypony: copypaste: how would that work
copypaste: i don't know, i'm asking you
fluffypony: that's physically impossible
fluffypony: or improbable
adlai: fluffypony: might want to discuss this amongst yourselves... being promoted to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation
mircea_popescu: more properly put : what happens if someone actually takes monero seriously, and decides to disallow your future forks.
mircea_popescu: people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon
adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings"
adlai: "hard fork whenever we feel like it, forever" = unready for capital-B-ization
mircea_popescu: and so if somehow monero became the one, it would simply be the one.
mats: i had a chance to scoop a shmoocon ticket
mircea_popescu: because there can only be one.
phf: ascii_shmoocon: oh god damn, i missed it again.
fluffypony tries to find the Highlander theme song
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.
ascii_shmoocon: lulzy cryptocrackpottery talk
mircea_popescu: anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev.
ascii_shmoocon: 'algebraic eraser'
mircea_popescu: so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon any hot chicks ?
adlai: ascii_shmoocon: hey now, you yourself said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-12-2015#1357489
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai: this thread is good sober adlai
ascii_shmoocon: $firm bought me a ticket, so i pinched nose & went
fluffypony: let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along
ascii_shmoocon: mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's.
adlai: given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much"
phf: anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past that point?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you gotta be kidding me ?!
ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion.
ascii_shmoocon: I've never seen so many lamerz in one place
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copypaste: as mircea told you, there can only be one
mats: hard charger, this guy
mircea_popescu: isn't he.
ascii_shmoocon: and usg recruiting tables, dozens
mircea_popescu: any hot chicks there ?
fluffypony: copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that
ascii_shmoocon: and maybe 1 in 30 attendees ever menstruated
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: in fairness fluffypony always drove it as a research interest.
mats: the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon mention of menstruation triggers me.
fluffypony: #TRIGGERWARNING
ascii_shmoocon: folks are drrrinkin' whisky
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should confess i read "nigger tagging" and did a doubletake
thestringpuller: fluffypony: is too african to be racist.
phf: ben_vulpes: what i meant is that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist
mod6: pwnd
mircea_popescu: phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets.
mircea_popescu: because obviously everyone must at the same time.
mod6: when i drive, i sound like i have tourettes im sure.
mircea_popescu: you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7357 @ 0.00050978 = 3.7505 BTC [-]
jurov: roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection. this can't be coincidence!"
mircea_popescu: un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis.
mircea_popescu: (saliva is a digestive juice. you can end up with a pretty miserably upset skin.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051122 = 1.1247 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them
ben_vulpes: cars are an insane deployment of capital and parking an insane deployment of re
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them.
mircea_popescu: make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.
jurov: cars won't be made at all
mircea_popescu: you think ?
jurov: yes i do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00051135 = 1.2272 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
punkman: small car-factory is not that expensive, it's not cpu fab
jurov: it would struck them as deeply uneconomical and they'd just revert to horses
jurov: punkman: because raw materials are mass mined and manufactured
mircea_popescu: what's size got to do with anything ?
mircea_popescu: the original buyers of cars weren't the 150mn derps, but the 15k people with means.
jurov: would they want to split the fixed costs?
mircea_popescu: this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out.
mircea_popescu: and that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120 to 12k a year instead"
jurov: no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible
mircea_popescu: headcount only matters in socialism.
jurov: you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item.
mircea_popescu: stop making the chumps have money they can't earn, problem goes awaqy
mircea_popescu: bullshit.
jurov: why babbage machine was not doen then?
mircea_popescu: in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.
jurov: irrelevent
jurov: *irrelevant
jurov: so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how?
mircea_popescu: so they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh to buy the same weight in poor mill girls,
mircea_popescu: but they won't pay it for a car because... reasons.
jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
mircea_popescu: heck, maybe they won't. in which case they prolly have a good reason.
mircea_popescu: hah this is exactly not how it works.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
jurov: i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other
mircea_popescu: no explicitly shared priors. what do we agree on ?
jurov: you think that fixed engineering costs for new technology does not exist or what?
jurov: moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: or moreover : what do you think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ?
shinohai: https://twitter.com/hashbreaker/status/683653768358019072 "I like tor for all mah regular web browsing"
mircea_popescu: the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.
jurov: structural difference is that it's marginally easier to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn than 15k.
mircea_popescu: not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays those fixed costs ?
mircea_popescu: let's not voice him :D
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon
jurov: you do. and you don't want to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k?
mircea_popescu: that'll be 15k alfie!
mircea_popescu: jurov uh hardly, i don';t. he does. like newton did.
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good.
mircea_popescu: guess whether the 15k or the 15mn model promotes this view.
ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372997 << if not for 100 years of chump, we'd have to make it all from horse
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: like hell.
ascii_shmoocon: semiconductor is inherently mass
mircea_popescu: the only thing the FIFTY years of chump did was take a shit on everything else.
mircea_popescu: some fields somewhat survived a decade or so after world chumpification.
ascii_shmoocon: wish it weren't so
mircea_popescu: nothing "inherent" exists in this world.
mircea_popescu: and note that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails.
jurov: eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself
mircea_popescu: note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the shitheads now on reddit, soon to make 10 cents an hour will do it.
jurov: hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process?
jurov: in cleanroom with hf?
mircea_popescu: have some faith in humanity.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter.
jurov: ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00051145 = 3.6569 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: 1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well
mircea_popescu: so good for them, pay them well.
phf: i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption
ben_vulpes: those were hdds
mircea_popescu: i dunno, random "washing silicone" reference for no discernible reason.
ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing.
mircea_popescu: as if that's what decides things or w/e.
jurov: yes. mircea decides that washing silicon or eulora art ought to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges
mircea_popescu: how DID you think price formation works ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17181 @ 0.00051094 = 8.7785 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
jurov: i see, all my previous notions of price formation are now worthless anyway
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how much do you figure that chick was worth ?
mircea_popescu: the one valuing her ugly ass at $5`000.00
jurov: you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more than 0.1/hr
mircea_popescu: a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.
mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon
jurov: okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means?
mircea_popescu: the 15k don't currently exist.
mircea_popescu: review the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as to "the low tax".
mircea_popescu: currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.
mircea_popescu: it must be flattened, is what i said before.
ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373047 << as it is, just ~my~ tax blood supports 3-4 of'em
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
mircea_popescu: and the path to flattening it is ruining the "wealthy" and trampling the "people".
mircea_popescu: the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story.
mircea_popescu: humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half.
jurov: but then the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did,
mircea_popescu: you get something closer to a linear distribution.
ascii_shmoocon: and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k...
mircea_popescu: where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything.
mircea_popescu: they're ~= to the french "nobles" at versailles. circus act.
mircea_popescu: replace the courtiers with march lords ftw.
ascii_shmoocon: what, exactly, can't they do ?
mircea_popescu: wire ten dollars to isis.
mircea_popescu: arrest a judge.
mircea_popescu: say "nigger".
jurov: and how do you propose to have 15k independently wealthy? dependency is better strategy
ascii_shmoocon: ted turner could
mircea_popescu: jurov dependency is a miserable strategy.
jurov: says owner of most of our bitcoins
mircea_popescu: how teh f do you depend on me ?!
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i've been spending so much effort trying to prevent exactly that sort of thing it's nigh on taxing friendship.
jurov: i have stash locked in S.NSA
jurov: for example
mircea_popescu: how's that make me the owner ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00051094 = 1.4649 BTC [-]
jurov: can i haz it tomorrow?
jurov: there are not enough bids
mircea_popescu: for one thing i'm a fucking minority partner in that venture!
jurov: who has the coins then?
jurov: the private keys?
mircea_popescu: in that sense i suppose.
jurov: hence, dependency
mircea_popescu: i dun see it, honestly, but hey.
ascii_shmoocon: fact is, decentralization is a fantasy
mircea_popescu: next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ?
ascii_shmoocon: every single one of us is on a cpu made in 1 of 3 places.
mircea_popescu: this "made" bs. every woman i eve rfucked was made by a woman i wouldn't have fucked.
mircea_popescu: what of it ? i still own them.
mircea_popescu: and use them happily.
ascii_shmoocon: not how cpu works, woman rules do not apply.
mircea_popescu: !s cunt perl
assbot: 3 results for 'cunt perl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cunt+perl
ascii_shmoocon: another legendarily terrible example
mircea_popescu: the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11
ascii_shmoocon: didja ever read yossi kreinin's piece 'computers you can't program ' ?
ascii_shmoocon: related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17373 @ 0.00051426 = 8.9342 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google yosefk.com "computers you can't program"
gribble: Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50?: <http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html>; The "high-level CPU" challenge - Yossi Kreinin: <http://yosefk.com/blog/the-high-level-cpu-challenge.html>; Why programming isn't for everyone - Yossi Kreinin: <http://yosefk.com/blog/why-programming-isnt-for- (1 more message)
ascii_shmoocon: also wtf, you can't have a planet with 15 much less 15k mp's
jurov: 100000 @ 0.00011000
jurov: and 200`000 @ 0.00029000 but i don't expect that one to be hit any soon
mircea_popescu: jurov yes well, generallty the way investing works is that you can either fix the margin or the timescale.
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with me.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i do not see why not.
mircea_popescu: other than, of course, "easier to be lazy and there's welfare anyway".
jurov: how do i fix the timescale? by abducting ascii_shmoocon to north korea?
mircea_popescu: !up christophe
ascii_shmoocon: nature doesn't make'em often and they tend to kill one another..
mircea_popescu: jurov if you want now, the offer is -11%. if you want +10%, you'll have to wait and see.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon da fuck, i only killed idiots to date.
ascii_shmoocon: that's 'cause nature doesn't make often
mircea_popescu: but hey, if you have some way to speed up alfie i'm all ears :D
jurov: i can sell 100k or 200k shares at 0.000089? where?
ascii_shmoocon: lol ditto
mircea_popescu: i see 50`0000.00008888 ?
ascii_shmoocon: actually it is very easy but expensive sadly
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i'm pretty firmly dedicated to having spectacular sex with any and all mps. why kill each other ?!
ascii_shmoocon: i meant speedup
BingoBoingo wasted too much of my life reading a piece by Simon Edhouse of David Thorne fame. Copholarchaeologist can find it themselves
mircea_popescu: i gather'd.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol was it all plaintive ?
BingoBoingo: You can find it yourself.
BingoBoingo: I just want to mention it exists.
ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest
BingoBoingo: I'm already trying to unlearn it as best as I can without relapsing
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to things : 1. a thriving middle class means very strictly, ruined-usg-everything as well as scandalously oppressed orcs. this is what it means, this is what'll happen because middle class is not negotiable.
mircea_popescu: 2. decentralized world, and powers of varying magnitudes coexisting productively is an ~ecological~ problem. of exactly the nature of "don't shit in the soup bowl".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00051094 = 2.7877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 51000 @ 0.00008888 = 4.5329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: inept whining to the degree that "people might, and how do we know they won't" and etc are not germane. that's why there's the wot and fore that matter when's the last time you ate soup with a turd in it ?
mircea_popescu: and maybe there's a 3.
ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373053 << i've yet to meet anybody who was ready to be revalued 'as worth'
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:10:40; mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
mircea_popescu: and i've yet to meet anyone in an airplane crash who was ready to fly.
jurov: how is my relationship with s.nsa "coexisting productively" ? i can either negrate alf, or cause price to plummet yet further
mircea_popescu: plane's going down.
ascii_shmoocon: in fact there is a reason this is a recurrent motif in afterlife myths!!
mircea_popescu: jurov why is either of these not productive ?
jurov: and the coins aren't going to be used prioductively anytime soon
jurov: what is the product?
mircea_popescu: well as described in monthly letters, all sorts of things
mircea_popescu: admittedly yet vague and far from very usable.
mircea_popescu: and im not sure what is a more productive use of bitcoin than holding on to it, but ymmv.
mircea_popescu: from experience, few beat that strategy yet.
ascii_shmoocon: i often wish that we had not taken in the coinS
jurov: is "holding coins" in the s.nsa contract?
mircea_popescu: eh, trade'll slowly unwind.
mircea_popescu: jurov well company sells shares, until it puts them to some use it holds on to them. what else can you do ?
ascii_shmoocon: (the pot is almost uselessly small)
jurov: so, i'm dependent on it in any practical way
mircea_popescu: in the sense that it doesn't buy a si fab or what ?
mircea_popescu: jurov dependency and investment are orthogonal concerns.
adlai: !up ascii_shmoocon
mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!
ascii_shmoocon: not only no si fab
ascii_shmoocon: but would not even feed me for a whole year, if it came to it
ascii_shmoocon: not even half
mircea_popescu: why would it feed you ?!
ascii_shmoocon: if there were 1000x moar of it, you would still barf at the idea?
mircea_popescu: who eats off capital for crying out loud.
ascii_shmoocon: everyone but me?
mircea_popescu: do you eat your car ? your horse ?
mircea_popescu: capital you save with your life.
mircea_popescu: you eat off its product.
ascii_shmoocon: time is also capital
mircea_popescu: there's no merchants left in thsi world are there. whole fucking raft of culture and its knowledges, gone from the world.
mircea_popescu: it is not capital until you add it to capital!
mircea_popescu: by buying shares or capital goods or whatever.
ascii_shmoocon: as it is, snsa is somethng i do on the train to and from 8h of garbage
mircea_popescu: and from the looks of it investors are starting to have had enough, eh.
phf: "raise capital to pay developers"
ascii_shmoocon: possibly i'll have to reach into sofa cushion and give the coinz back
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon what coins ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, is phuctor back online ? it'd have been a very convenient answer for me to give a few lines above.
ascii_shmoocon: what we spent- ~15? to date
mircea_popescu: i dun think you understand how accounting works lol.
ascii_shmoocon: mno, blew last weekend on the tx crapola
ascii_shmoocon: no phuctor yet
jurov: well the situaiton is that "person who will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture" does it in his own time and own money anyway and whole s.nsa is scarcely needed
jurov: or am i wrong?
mircea_popescu: you are wrong in the part where you presume to decide whether what other people do is needed or not.
mircea_popescu: you're also wrong in imagining that anyone does anything other than in their own time.
jurov: lol i comment, not decide
ascii_shmoocon: jurov if you need it, you can buy me as well as anybody
mircea_popescu: you'll notice that while it took a very long time, s.nsa did not spend a lot of money.
ascii_shmoocon: but i don't expect anybody to
mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to prefer a different time/money ratio, and even start a competitor.
jurov: except you would not accept any money cuz you don't want to pay taxes etc.
mircea_popescu: heck, i'd even list it, i dun see the problem.
jurov: what is the ratio?
ascii_shmoocon: the investors spoke at ipo
jurov: atm?
mircea_popescu: so far, ~15 btc and ~2 years.
jurov: oh, i am already doing it as foundation treasurer it has much better ratio :D
mircea_popescu: there's a lengthy list of various fiat-based stuff that tried the "low time, high money" approach. they all failed and had to be rolled up in ever-larger failed ventures, usg style.
mircea_popescu: so i don't terribly favouring the "quickly! spend!" approach. but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: what's the hurry anywaqy, the republic has infinite times.
mircea_popescu: jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget.
ascii_shmoocon: but yes, it could easily happen 10x faster, and i'd be lying if i said that I didn't know how...
ascii_shmoocon: that's all
jurov: how much $$$ you need monthly?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you'd also be lying if you didn't say you specifically hate it.
BingoBoingo: It seems that the answer to the S.NSA problems is getting alf food stamps and section 8 housing.
mircea_popescu: jurov lettuce not be naive. the alternatives here aren't the alternatives we perceive we would prefer. it's either he's a free man and does it as such, or else he's a peon like al schwatz describes in that very well written piece.
mircea_popescu: i dun happen to want to run yet another of those ventures, myself. but others do, and i'm sure if you're one of them you can go open an office in sf, hire head hunters and proceed apace.
mircea_popescu: and if alf specifically won't show up in the employment line, an exactly fungible equivalent surely will.
BingoBoingo: Methoxsalen might help with section 8
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
adlai wonders whether the problem is "investors have come to expect", reminiscent of: "if this is not what you have come to expect, please adjust your expectations"
BingoBoingo: Aha, this really gets to the meat of the problem. Impatience with fiat not dying fast enough for any of us to buy Nevada on a whim yet.
ben_vulpes: foundation spend << not to date
jurov: mircea_popescu: i am actually trying to hire someone, but for that need to shift part of s.nsa stash
phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a
phf: return, if there's value in s.nsa output
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_shmoocon
mircea_popescu: jurov seems the trade'll unwind. in fairness, you can't at the same time try to snipe bids you like, and be upset you don't see as many as you decided you need.
mircea_popescu: put your offer in the book, if it is of this nature of a firm offer, and wait and see.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:56:29; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
ascii_shmoocon: but we're talking fantasy
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you gotta at some point stop acting and trying to think like a child.
BingoBoingo: ascii_shmoocon: Maybe next october?
mircea_popescu: what "6 fig bag", what nonsense is this!
BingoBoingo: figs are delicious
BingoBoingo: 6 figs is six delicious
ben_vulpes: this margin/time/spend way of looking at things is very illuminating
mircea_popescu: phf well yeah, in principle i agree.
BingoBoingo honestly would consider taking on extra projects if fig bags started appearing
mircea_popescu: then again you know, the forum exists for people to voice their voice.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ;)
jurov: *sigh* there it is.
ben_vulpes: and eating of capital
ascii_shmoocon: what I'm helpfully reminding folks of is that i am not an actual '15k' person like mp
ascii_shmoocon: but a slave.
mircea_popescu: well dig yourself out already.
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jurov: ascii_shmoocon i did offer you to become a contractor to my company, paid by $$$, you recoiled in horror
jurov: "t4x3s!!!"
mircea_popescu: o when was this ?
ben_vulpes: "web techmologies!"
mircea_popescu: that one i recall lol.
ascii_shmoocon: because I can't live on chickenshit??
ascii_shmoocon: and have no intention of trying
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally did that other guy work out, what's his name
ben_vulpes: no way
ben_vulpes: not his problem though
ben_vulpes: one of not crossing bezzle and bitcoin streams.
mircea_popescu: markets be very disparate huh.
ben_vulpes: somewhat.
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf's position is particularly unfortunate i guess, on one hand not one of "mps' 15k", on the other not one of the 15mn, is there no spot in the sun for an alf!
ben_vulpes: but also the startup short requires tending to the egos of those being shorted.
ascii_shmoocon: no spot but here, watching a bloke give a talk on thermite, wearing a firesuit
mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's with isis.
ascii_shmoocon: you can watch the stream
ascii_shmoocon: I'm sitting next to the cam, lol
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch okcupid sluts camho. and no, i'm not watching that either.
ascii_shmoocon: but no, none of it is worth watching by mp
jurov: sigh, can't find the original offer, maybe it was not employment but i do remember offering fiat service to alf
assbot: Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdQBAk )
ascii_shmoocon: i can guarantee it wasn't enough..
jurov: !b 3
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mircea_popescu: really this fiction of paying money rather than equity is nonsense of the first order.
ascii_shmoocon: lol thermite in 1u !
BingoBoingo: lol, wake me up when off the shelf solutions to replace the thermite role with FOOF emerge
ben_vulpes: ddos?
jurov: to me it would make sense to pay full month or two to kick the project off
ben_vulpes never understood the 'broomstick' line
mircea_popescu: jurov to kick what project off ? the "looking for yet another job" project ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon in his defense, he's not a manager.
jurov: ok, maybe it's stupid idea
ascii_shmoocon: i'm sold in year spans, preferably multiple.
jurov: and i'm no mircea_popescu to get execution on my projects for $0.1/hr :(
mircea_popescu: anyway. my in-between-the-lines reading of the situation was that alf found, unexpectedly, that he had been doing dope for a long time, and while is working to get himself off the stuff, nevertheless due to the lenthy time spent on sudden solutions aren't practicable. so he's working on it.
mircea_popescu: course by now he's taken longer than conceivable for this purpose, but then again... his lyf.
BingoBoingo: The dope is merely a symptom of deeper pathology
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
BingoBoingo: At least that's what the old timers say
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 764613631.731
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00051481 = 2.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4469 @ 0.00051332 = 2.294 BTC [-]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.
ben_vulpes: o tru
jurov: i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment
mod6: Thank you for your services and contribution, Sir.
jurov: You're welcome, Sir.
mod6: *contributions! even.
ben_vulpes: i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov.
jurov: there are expected expenses?
ben_vulpes: even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations?
jurov: yes, np
mod6: oh, fair point Mr. Vulpes.
mod6: in other news, this is annoying:
mod6: emerge sys-devel/gdb
mod6: ... bunch of can not find ur thing ...
mod6: >>> Failed to emerge sys-devel/gdb-7.7.1
ben_vulpes: logz plz
ben_vulpes: (and ty, jurov)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00051542 = 3.7626 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago.
mod6: running a `emerge --sync` now.
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mod6: get your rags ready
BingoBoingo: lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend.
mod6: hey cool, its building gdb now :}
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D
punkman: ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.
mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':
mod6: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
mod6: wtf
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/9aUNNcz.png
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: Bees on strike
mod6: my eyes
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BingoBoingo: No wonder Ver's news site is going off they rails. They've got self declared Hegelians https://archive.is/70Zz9
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mod6: does anyone know how to fix this in gentoo? http://dpaste.com/0XVYZE6.txt ?
fluffypony: nobody knows
fluffypony: nobody
fluffypony: you're on your own
fluffypony: godspeed, and good luck
mod6: hahah
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
guruvan: mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got a correct toolchain? how're you building ?
guruvan: just happen to be building a buncha gentoo docker images today
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.
mod6: guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:
mod6: CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc'
guruvan: oh - have you rebuilt everything with that?
mod6: or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?
mod6: # gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 *
guruvan: is that gcc rebuilt with itself?
ben_vulpes: punkman: a right
guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?
mod6: guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.
mod6: here's my config.log output for fluffypony and everyone who cares: http://dpaste.com/0KZP715.txt
mod6: i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.
mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.
mod6: no worries.
guruvan: the configure there completely fails
mod6: yeah.
mod6: couldn't even make an a.out
jurov: guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says
guruvan: jurov: ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051297 = 4.3602 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: oh it was mod6 he already did
mod6: :D
guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site
mod6: i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.
jurov: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this
mod6: guruvan: really? cool!
mod6: jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.
guruvan: https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base/builds/ << latest should work - is running on my dev aws node
guruvan: those images are superbig dev images - all source and everything still onboard
assbot: mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons at btc-therealbtc - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTqEX )
shinohai: guruvan: sweet image
mod6: heeey this is really neat 'RUN echo "Building Daemon" \ ... && wget <URL_TO_FOUNDATION>/v0.5.3...tar.gz \ ...'
guruvan: I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week
BingoBoingo: guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch
mod6: so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.
guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
guruvan: I'm not a big git fan
mod6: no worries atm. but yeah, awesome work. thanks for doing that
guruvan: you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath
guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change
shinohai: I finally got V to work for me just hours ago.
mod6: ^6
shinohai: 3 day battle for latest patches xD
BingoBoingo: guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle
assbot: [BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
guruvan: point to primer on V ?
assbot: [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99997 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtpXi )
mod6: thx BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: yw mod6
mod6: ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in.
mod6: on my list of things to work on is also a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet.
guruvan: is V something y'all threw together?
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mod6: yeah.
guruvan: I've never heard of this at all
guruvan: I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then
mod6: that would be the bees knees.
BingoBoingo: guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance.
mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.
mod6: And ben_vulpes wrote one in CL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00051717 = 2.7927 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol
guruvan: I like it with wot sigs - very interesting
ben_vulpes: > js << lolwutwho
mod6: punindented
mod6: !up punindented
mod6: feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!"
shinohai: I'm sticking with perl V
mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.
mod6: it's coming.
guruvan: lol perl
assbot: HARDFORK: Fix mining centralisation by luke-jr · Pull Request #6 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtOca )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz
pete_dushenski: "Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same
pete_dushenski: but you're not a hammie !
pete_dushenski: maybe that's what makes it funny. i dunno.
BingoBoingo: Smith machines have a long history of controversy
mod6: <+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy
mod6: this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this:
BingoBoingo: python is alf's favorite perl
assbot: VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i could see it
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')
ben_vulpes: who cares
mod6: ^
pete_dushenski: finefine
ben_vulpes: seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts
ben_vulpes: of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372538 << "the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know yet" (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:29:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!
guruvan: I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372540 << cxt is supah-bad-ass. problem is... it's $100k. there's no el cheapo entry-level spec for 1/3 price as in F-150, etc.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.
pete_dushenski: call it entomology, call it popcorn entertainment, it's what it is
ben_vulpes: makes for low snr is what is does
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying h
mod6: guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.
mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point
guruvan: something like this - yes
mod6: i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.
mod6: well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug*
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle
ben_vulpes: hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb
mod6: guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 15:56:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ?
ben_vulpes: because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: neato
mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard.
ben_vulpes: mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways
ben_vulpes: last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours
ben_vulpes: i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain
mod6: it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: does crapple still sell 10.6 anywhere ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
ben_vulpes: what do you mean "precedence levels"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lolno
ben_vulpes: someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then
ben_vulpes: heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night
ben_vulpes: monochrome + color inversion
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:08:10; mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank
ben_vulpes: the effect is rather beautiful.
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mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: where'd you get a copy of 10.6 ?
mod6: we discussed it in here, a bit of varience is fine.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "we'll give you a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"?
pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: weev's tracker
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R)
ben_vulpes: mod6: im still a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers
mod6: for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents.
ben_vulpes: yes this i get
ben_vulpes: i think i understand what you're driving at
jurov: lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
BingoBoingo: jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit
mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
mod6: basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should.
mod6: actually...
mod6: i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this.
mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: which to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl
mod6 runs
guruvan: as long as it's not js
mod6: in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.
jurov: pete_dushenski: done
ben_vulpes: no node
ben_vulpes: please no node
ben_vulpes: punindented: please no js
mod6: my 0.00000002 was: hey, whatever floats your boat.
jurov: let's skip straight to cobol
ben_vulpes: did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?
assbot: fuck-you/index.js at master · robotlolita/fuck-you · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZN7M )
BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.
pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !
mod6: that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful.
ben_vulpes: i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line.
jurov: pete_dushenski: that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption
jurov: *ubiquitous
ben_vulpes: far better to be useful helping mod6 than to waste time like me on deadlang impls that don't even work
pete_dushenski: jurov: gasoline isn't ubiquitous enough ?
jurov: pete_dushenski: in the hypothetical 15k world
pete_dushenski: and all-terrain ? sure. ugly ? THE CXT IS BEAUTIFUL
pete_dushenski: jurov: in 15k world, gasoline still has other uses
pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it
jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km
pete_dushenski: doesn't need to
pete_dushenski: oil products have a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently
pete_dushenski: storage is also quite manageable
pete_dushenski: and cost-effective
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
BingoBoingo: car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like truck.
ben_vulpes: this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette
ben_vulpes: 'twas built for glass-smooth late seventies roads.
pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are
ben_vulpes: i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.
ben_vulpes: lovely highway driver, though.
jurov: tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris vastly benefit from mass production infrastructure
pete_dushenski: the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)
pete_dushenski: jurov: in what way ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road
jurov: pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites
jurov: and electronics
pete_dushenski: this improves reliability, yes.
pete_dushenski: but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off
pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.
jurov: but i was talking about materials (and machinery)
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jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.
jurov: well, and how does it dosprove my point?
pete_dushenski: ^not off the shelf, not shared with anyone.
jurov: i did not say ALL materials
pete_dushenski: "all the materials" <<
jurov: sigh. okay let burn me on sigle word
pete_dushenski: that's all it takes ;)
jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
pete_dushenski: and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market
punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs
jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?
pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around
ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.
pete_dushenski: jurov: titanium company pays for this
pete_dushenski: and if they can't, supplier finds a new one.
jurov: but they have small volume
jurov: it will lead to disruption in any case
ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.
pete_dushenski: so that titanium company goes bust
pete_dushenski: new one takes its place, maybe this takes time, maybe not
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.
jurov: well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional
jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product
pete_dushenski: that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye
pete_dushenski: jurov: sure you can. of course you can.
pete_dushenski: you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ?
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jurov: "of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf
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pete_dushenski: jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.
pete_dushenski: punkman: nice find.
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pete_dushenski: golden oldie.
pete_dushenski: ^Myasishchev VM-T Atlant NATO Code: Bison
ben_vulpes: steel mill doesn't make sense to operate unless operated continually, no small-batch fabber is going to do so.
ben_vulpes: plus costs of molds, does it cast? forge? roll?
jurov: pete_dushenski: why would a person pay for such an one-of-a-few computer?
pete_dushenski: because it's useful ? because it's unique ? because fuck you (not you, but "you") ?
punkman: "In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds."
jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?
ben_vulpes: so they're a glorified waste-processing plant.
pete_dushenski: jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ?
jurov: because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available
ben_vulpes: > t bars
ben_vulpes: literal bottom feeders.
jurov: for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure
pete_dushenski: jurov: so it's the gasoline thing again.
jurov: for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies
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punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 11:47:29; punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?
pete_dushenski: punkman: classic
jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.
pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
pete_dushenski: with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution
jurov: funny that communism actually achieved this.
jurov: you could fix "skoda 120" at home with a pit and basic tools
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pete_dushenski: nothing lasts forever. not even communism.
jurov: so not at all hard to imagine.
jurov: what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive
pete_dushenski: aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in.
jurov: and my reply was that dependence is best strategy
jurov: so not really feudalism, but one schelling point
jurov: one ruler
pete_dushenski: within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)
pete_dushenski: jurov: seems impractical for one ruler to manage that much complexity
jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems
jurov: pete_dushenski: of course he will delegate
jurov: but then it's hierarchy
pete_dushenski: aha. dunbar number
jurov: people always try to overstep dunbar number
jurov: what's to stop them?
pete_dushenski: biology, time.
pete_dushenski: still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc
pete_dushenski: so having geographic divisions still makes sense, even across cultural lines if people can't be persuaded to get along via market forces
jurov: pls explain that to every russian ruler in past 200 years
pete_dushenski: which part ?
jurov: "distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc"
jurov: by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan
jurov: nope. what can expand, it does. beyond supplies, food, equipment,.. etc limits
pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has.
jurov: and these limits went way bigger recently
pete_dushenski: cancers expands ad infinitum too. until the host dies and the worms move in.
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jurov: so?
pete_dushenski: so a snapshot in time tells us nothing
jurov: to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin?
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
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pete_dushenski: ^broomsticky
pete_dushenski: jurov: i guess i don't see that all the world's power ~has~ to be "in" bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: so while bitcoin might be more politically centralised, there's a whole lot else out there in the wild
pete_dushenski: how many "bitcoin devs teams" are there ? a dozen ?
jurov: you call them "centers of power"? fo srs
pete_dushenski: relatively speaking, sure. within the minds of the many, many "people" who bestow it upon them. the scrillion branches of xtianity are no different in this regard. and they all have some measure of power.
pete_dushenski: this minor power might not move mountains or build space rockets, but it can provide health care, "education," "a sense of community" etc
jurov: when did you start considering headcount as a measure?
pete_dushenski: it's always been a measure, just depends on what for.
pete_dushenski: isis measures in headcounts (on stakes)
jurov: so, if bitcoin becomes world's reserve currency but people will still "bestow" upon usd
jurov: where is the power center?
jurov: i'm lost in this, you foresee feudal society, then what people bestow, dunno
jurov: gotta sleep, bye
pete_dushenski: i think the issue here might be with the conception that power is binary and that its centres must contain all or none. it isn't. there are gradations. so even if bitcoin is very, very valuable, it won't be sufficient to constitute the entirety of the world. you can't eat bits.
pete_dushenski: jurov: cheers
jurov: irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end
jurov: *iirc
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:31:38; ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest
punkman: jurov, don't you wish a stake for certain people?
BingoBoingo: !up bad-dragon
jurov: not really
pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
pete_dushenski: it's actually the minority of the world that thinks you can "talk it through" and "share fee-fees"
pete_dushenski: and the minority of history, for that matter
jurov: if civilised world ends and proves it was only an illusion, then perhaps i reconsider
pete_dushenski: i'm content with that conclusion. now go get some sleep !
punkman: well you can put them in a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it
pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:41:15; mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373344 << haha omg that'd be epic. i bet "sharpie" would even donate a 10' long pen just for the occasion. tell them "it's for art" and you're golden.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:08; mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D
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pete_dushenski: punkman: heh
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assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:49:24; mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.
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assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:23:44; guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.
mircea_popescu: This is literally no harder to get consensus for than a hardforked block size increase. This is probably easier, in fact, since it impacts fewer people negatively."
mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.
mircea_popescu: letting bitfury & friends eat 100mn in unrecoupable engineering costs would provide exactly the correct lesson as to what it's a good idea to say and when it's a good idea to shut the fuck up and toe the line.
mircea_popescu: "jcliff commented Jan 16, 2016
mircea_popescu: NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow."
mircea_popescu: who is this imbecile again ?
BingoBoingo: I've been asking myself that a lot lately
BingoBoingo: All of the nobodies
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
mircea_popescu: provided, of course, same sigils.
mircea_popescu: !up epscy
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373568 << it does, just, between monaco and paris, not between fucking mobile and las vegas.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:10:05; jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km
BingoBoingo: Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right?
BingoBoingo: Was just at walmart and saw a few for $10 a pop.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373594 << dude you're on this whole "before i was around people never fucked" angle.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:55; jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material
mircea_popescu: fucking roman empire got dates across the sea in time to start a war. wtf already,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373604 << no. the mass market drives them to shittify their offerings.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:23:54; jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
mircea_popescu: they're as unreliable as they fucking get.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373606 << ironically enough stell mill has strange anti-economies of scale. romania had one of the largest in the world, at galati. it was bought by arcelor and downsized. they also bought and downsized the krivoy rog ones.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:24:50; punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373607 << it's the same money, but in fewer hands. think of it this way : currently, there's 10`000 "family units" in town X making "the decision" to buy cable. as a result... there's two shitty companies and a de facto monopoly. transform those families into slaves and servants. they no longer get their own house, but live in the house oftheir masters, at their disposals
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:25:19; jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?
mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.
mircea_popescu: because the 200 are stronger than the 12 ; whereas the 10k are weaker than fucking cox cable.
mircea_popescu: and yes this means that julie slaveface doesn't get to elect who's gonna take her maidenhood. fuck her.
mircea_popescu: and yes this means some inept derp doesn't get to sit around and "save the world" with "his foundation". fuck gates, too.
mircea_popescu: but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good.
mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.
mircea_popescu: these are light costs to bear.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good. << Kinda why US municipalities with good internet have a maximum size.
mircea_popescu: and note that there wasn't any sort of run amok "medical profession", or "legal profession", or anything else back then. doctor fucking paid house calls.
mircea_popescu: except if you were poor and unconnected, but in that case - YOU BELONG IN THE SEWER.
BingoBoingo: If there aren't jsut a handful of families in town with the relative wallets to tell the cable co FU, can't have get fiber
mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.
mircea_popescu: ro soviet socialism was very much a medieval arrangement.
mircea_popescu: jsut different nobility.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373651 << size per se is irrelevant. the point is that the 10bn can't have franchise.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:43:17; punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world
mircea_popescu: for as long as they make as much difference as rats, they can also multiply as rats.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe they manage to spawn a hot chick.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:44; pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.
BingoBoingo: Occassionally 2016 stuff is better than 2006 stuff.
BingoBoingo: Example: mass market walmart brand clock radio purchased today. Beats the hell out of finicky big name 2006 clock radio. Beautiful AM reception only 22 inches from UPS transformer
BingoBoingo: But neither would be capable of crushing as many skulls as 1950's equivalent
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373670 << this is deeply untrue. for instance : feudalism in germany was decentralized ; in france centralized. same exact fucking country.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:51:43; jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems
mircea_popescu: ideology matters a lot more than these things. the germans wanted to be free and the french wanted to party.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should. << yup. the topological flow might be ever so slightly different when listed, but the resulting pressed tree must be exactly the same.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
mod6: mathematically even.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:00:02; jurov: to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:12:50; jurov: irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:19:47; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:32:21; pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373494 << i've actually thought about writing, for lulz, a vtron in... gnumake
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:50:57; ben_vulpes: mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways
mircea_popescu: insectworld.
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asciilifeform: and my original (unpublished) attempt was in ... awk & sed
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:53:27; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
asciilifeform: if 2 vtrons give variant output on same input, ~someone~ has catastrophically-broken system
asciilifeform: possibly both.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:45; *: pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by
asciilifeform: it's yours for the cost of postage.
asciilifeform: original box, too
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what << sure we can talk about this. we've actually discussed it a few times at least.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
asciilifeform: did we? i forget
asciilifeform: was it the lexical order thing?
mod6: from those discussions, I'm under the impression that the ordering of the flow doesn't exactly have to be the exact same, as long as the pressing is the exact same.
asciilifeform: aha the hashes either match, or they do not
asciilifeform: (in the latter case, the whole thing melts down)
mod6: right.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time
mod6: i'm not really talkinga bout the pressing. as i was saying to ben, i checked all of my pressings by final output hash & have automated tests that check & ensure this outcome is correct.
asciilifeform: this was, of course, ~before~ the usgization of flight
asciilifeform: today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate
asciilifeform: or at least the radio equivalent
mod6: the new, yet unreleased v99996 will check the resultant hashes of the files touched by a vpatch -- to add another layer to this.
asciilifeform: and $100k of schooling and licensing, etc
asciilifeform: mod6: very spiffy, looking forward to this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373549 << snobol, the language of snobs !!11 (tm) (r) (my brother's aphorisms)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:42; BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns
BingoBoingo: bzns is to bsns as azn is to Nisshin Maru
guruvan: mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:07:49; pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !
mod6: yup, me too -- code is done, pretty much tested thus far. but the changes to having .wot in the pwd instead of ~/ by default; i want to ensure that it works ok with trinque' makefiles before i publish.
mod6: <+guruvan> mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied << ah, you had it build from V?
guruvan: no - I'm not there yet - I'm just sitting down to figure out how to use V
mod6: ahh. ok, gotcha.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373573 << this is lunacy. each of those machines exists because there IS a mass market for machine tools, the requisite raw materials, the skill set of the readily available assemblers, and in fact a large number of the parts per se
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:14:09; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
guruvan: any prereqs i need to know - just latest perl?
asciilifeform: nor could have been.
mod6: yeah perl 5, and that should be it. if you want it to be able to utilize the graphing utility, you need to install Graph::Easy, but that is not a requirement or prereq to it running.
mod6: some pro-tips:
mod6: 1]: with version 99997 create (by hand) a ~/.wot directory and populate it with keys named as their irc-nick and .asc, like: mod6.asc or asciilifeform.asc
mod6: well, that's pretty much it. the 'init' command should take care of the rest.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:10; pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.
mod6: when you get there, if you hit any snags, just let me know.
asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
guruvan: I will - thanks mod6
mod6: thank /you/!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:27:13; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.
asciilifeform: and will.
guruvan: no trouble - I'm gonna play a little with V tonight
asciilifeform: not even queen victoria was willing to pay for what a ~completed~ difference engine cost.
asciilifeform: and it was much more of a realistic proposition than hand-made vlsi.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:28:07; jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product
asciilifeform: BECAUSE INDUSTRY
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:36:07; jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?
mircea_popescu: jurov "gets it" in that he flatters your favourite worldview, is all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd much like to be proven wrong... go, bring back symbolics co.
asciilifeform: the ultimate 'computer for k00l d00dz'
mircea_popescu: a) you don';t get to say what's the criteria for you being proven wrong
asciilifeform: were 15k even built?
mircea_popescu: b) symbolics was a nefarious piece of shit i'd burn with my own hands if it was still aroundm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the other computer vendors at the time were angels ?
mircea_popescu: this makes no difference.
asciilifeform: but it is true, it was widely hated, even when small
asciilifeform: see for instance rms
mircea_popescu: hated also makes no difference.
mircea_popescu: it was outright evil. more so than microsoft.
asciilifeform: quite arguably so
mircea_popescu: that it fucking died a sad death almost excuses the fact microsoft didn't.
asciilifeform would like to read a mircea_popescu mega-piece on the death of smbx one day
asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)
mircea_popescu: because if the personification of justice sits there and says "only had one bullet, and ms were idiots - so i killed the dangerous morons", i can't protest.
asciilifeform: btw i'm not even sure it makes sense to compare the two - smbx was in an industry almost unrelated as, e.g., j. d. rockefeller's
asciilifeform: (they did not make personal comp, nor ever threaten to)
mircea_popescu: they invented the apple store.
asciilifeform: wai wut ?!
mircea_popescu: the whole thing that company was - a giant apple store.
mircea_popescu: closed surce bs.
asciilifeform: whole motherfucking thing SHIPPED WITH SOURCE
asciilifeform: what on earth are you on about.
mircea_popescu goes back to the notes.
asciilifeform: i actually have the smbx source right here.
asciilifeform: on a legit, pressed cd
asciilifeform: circa early '90s.
mircea_popescu: "The largest criticisms of Symbolics in the article are that Symbolics believed AI would take off and that Symbolics mistakenly pushed its view that proprietary hardware was the way to go for AI."
BingoBoingo: But seriously. The blue pogos were the worthless ones right, or do I gotta go back to Walmart tonight?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc we wanted the red ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they, along with lmi, texas instruments, racal norsk, and possibly a few others, sold dedicated lisp cpu. which made engineering sense at the time
asciilifeform: and actually still does
asciilifeform: if cat-picture-watchers were not the dominant market segment
mircea_popescu: and the appstore makes "engineering sense"
asciilifeform: nothing to do with any of it
asciilifeform: go review the lit.
asciilifeform: smbx corp also did not burn rome or invade stalingrad.
asciilifeform: the true pioneers of 'apple store' model were... ibm
asciilifeform: who did not sell (yes) their machines, but ~rented~ time on EACH CPU to the 'owner', along with the soft
asciilifeform: from 1960s on.
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how symbolics was any better.
asciilifeform: thing came with N cpu, X mb of ram, etc. and you would RENT them by the hour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, for one thing, you could actually BUY the machine
asciilifeform: it was just a costly piece of industrial equipment, no trickery involved
mircea_popescu: and if i wanted to upgrade it i had to buy from them, right ?
asciilifeform: and came with the soft, the source, and with the important detail that you could point at ANYTHING running and get its source IN REAL TIME
asciilifeform: and modify that bit
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think this is an exculpatory bit.
mircea_popescu: it's the very damnable part.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you wanted to upgrade a pdp you had to buy from dec, etc
asciilifeform: standardization of components at that time had touched only disks
mircea_popescu: yes but all those idiots never stood a chance
mircea_popescu: these guys - did.
mircea_popescu: which is what makes them the absolute worst scum.
asciilifeform: (smbx boxen used fujitsu 'eagle' drive like every other mini of the period)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut
asciilifeform: !s heroes hang while traitors triumph
assbot: 0 results for 'heroes hang while traitors triumph' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=heroes+hang+while+traitors+triumph
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu thought ~i~ was the sinner in re: ^
mircea_popescu: mno. these are no sort of heroes.
mircea_popescu: they're cockroaches. mice are extinct, because large.
mircea_popescu: cockroaches survive because just low profile enough.
asciilifeform: that is what survived, yes
asciilifeform: cockroaches.
asciilifeform: the idiot 1980s minis.
asciilifeform: *micros
mircea_popescu: that this particular brand of "just low profile enough" actually died for once is nothing short of miraculous.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help us with a symbolics entrenched in success.
asciilifeform: how would it meaningfully differ from your 'computers for the 15k, mud for the 15m' scenario ?
asciilifeform: just because smbx was an american firm and thereby satanic ?
mircea_popescu: you missed the number 12. go re-read that dicussion.
mircea_popescu: i want a single, competent it corp like i want an elk horn up my ass.
asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, there were. you don't recall their names, but there were.
mircea_popescu: and the important part here is exactly that.
asciilifeform: so why died ?
mircea_popescu: who, symbolix ? nothing short of good fortune.
asciilifeform: no, no, the cars
mircea_popescu: there's no reason they should have, statistically. that they did is a miracle.
mircea_popescu: oh. because taxes.
asciilifeform: tax was scarcely a thing at the time/place ?
mircea_popescu: the way most of the early industry was rolled up, was that the "chosen" schelling point got tax breaks.
asciilifeform: ah now this i recall.
asciilifeform: as in rail.
mircea_popescu: worked pretty much universally from the mid 1800s on
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:45:44; mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.
asciilifeform: it blew my mind that 'civilized' usa does not
mircea_popescu: "streamlining" and bla bla, "corporatization" etc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << phun phakt: i bought a new (fiddybuck) pair of shoes a week before blasting off to conf3 in b-a. these shoes began to show visible 'asking for porridge' the week i came back. mostly in tatters now.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
mircea_popescu: also known as "fuck everything up, nobody'll figure it out anyway"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was referencing that "i can throw them out for you" thing
asciilifeform: incidentally, one interesting fact perhaps unknown outside of usaschwitz is that one assumption baked into these 'shoes' is that owner DOES NOT WALK
asciilifeform: he drives. even to coffee across the street.
asciilifeform: like my colleagues
asciilifeform: (and the set before them)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373792 << helped that plastic (esp. of the fine-detailed injection mold variety) was not yet a thing
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:39; mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.
asciilifeform: it absolutely ANNIHILATED longevity. witness, e.g., plastic bicycle derailleurs
asciilifeform: (caps the life of the machine at about 2y)
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.
asciilifeform: !s lifecoin
assbot: 6 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin
asciilifeform: for all the good it does.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << did anybody ever suggest keccak ?!!! did i sleep through this?!
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Luke suggested it to the ClassicCoin forkers
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373759 << aaaaactually you can solder the sata plug on !
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:35:25; BingoBoingo: Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right?
asciilifeform: it has the holes.
asciilifeform: if you have the patience.
BingoBoingo: I don't have the patience for those savings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00052045 = 2.9926 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373771 << how many gas companies were there in 1820 london ?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:39:08; mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.
mircea_popescu: !up raedah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one for a year, then fifty ?
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, there were only two gasworks in London in 1814, and by 1822, there were seven and by 1829, there were 200 companies."
asciilifeform: i'd like to find out how they handled digging, rights-of-way, and whether they shared what today folks call 'last mile'
asciilifeform: (prolly will have to hit the library at some point...)
mircea_popescu: for which purpose a library awaits.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. << no because jurov knows shit about the noncivilised world having taken wives out of their ranks and such.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
assbot: History of manufactured gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVqFdg )
raedah: met someone yesterday who's family migrated from the Montana mountains back in the day because the neighboring families had a habbit of solving disputes by killing eachothers children.
mircea_popescu: could we start with a "who are you" thing ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2571 @ 0.00052088 = 1.3392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00052088 = 1.1459 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373279 << incidentally THERE WAS NO THERMITE!!111 at the motherfucking talk. suit was 'symbolic!11'. i shit thee not.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:07:47; mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?
asciilifeform: only films.
asciilifeform: but aside from this, it was ok, fella determined, through laborious trial & error, a recipe for a very reasonable ~thermate~ which cremated usb stick to ashes with 7g of powder.
asciilifeform: and a novel crucible design for this purpose.
asciilifeform: (man-portable)
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Would throw in for that kickstarter if scaled up to 3.5" drive
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like any ~really good~ tech, it needs no kickstarter
asciilifeform: it just needs you and a local construction equipment shop.
BingoBoingo: Of course
BingoBoingo: Hence the irony
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373287 << i'd quite enjoy learning what part of that piece mircea_popescu disagreed with
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:11:59; mircea_popescu: http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html << somewhat bizarre take on things.
raedah: hello. here i am known as raedah. ive been a dev for joinmarket for the past few months. i like sexual relations with women, resisting invalid authority, educating ignorance, and being in nature.
asciilifeform: raedah: where in nature ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where he's saying exactly " The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it." except he sounds like he means it.
mircea_popescu: so wait, i shouldn't fucking own things because "they canb bestolen" and instead be a good slave and own my two arms ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373346 << if you have a box with gcc5, just format the hdd and start over, sanely
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:51; mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':
mircea_popescu: imbecile with rotating lights.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not ~you~, but ~normal person~
asciilifeform: without dirigible.
mircea_popescu: bullshit.
asciilifeform: i fully expect to be robbed of everything
raedah: asciilifeform, backpacking in US northwest forests is nice. refreshing, lots of streams for water, beautiful changing landscapes to show you different facets of what is possible.
asciilifeform: and to not be able to do a lick to stop it
mircea_popescu: did you just ignorantly substitute an ought for an is or was it actually deliberate ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 20:53:10; assbot: BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit | Dell SecureWorks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut
mircea_popescu: he is saying that you OUGHT NOT own capital.
mircea_popescu: this is a substantially different statement from your "i expect it won't work".
asciilifeform: he is saying, or so i read, 'if you are a typical small person you are defenseless and will be raped, so have a very small cunt with spikes'
mircea_popescu: not for one second.
asciilifeform: then i must be thick.
mircea_popescu: he is saying what orlov is saying, and what yarvin is saying, and what generally the castrated son of a stupid anglo whore is always fucking saying
mircea_popescu: and im geting well sick of hearing it.
mircea_popescu: whether you personally will or will not be able to defend your capital has no bearing on whether you OUGHT to accumulate capital.
mircea_popescu: zero. nada. zilch.
mircea_popescu: the pretense to the contrary is what fucking created, and what fucking maintains, the miserable situation under which you belabour.
asciilifeform: but is the choice between 'accumulate capital' and 'smoke dope' ? or is it about ~what kind~ of capital
mircea_popescu: or, perhaps more accurately, what feeds the swam in which you wallow.
mircea_popescu: there is NO KINDS OF CAPITAL!!1
mircea_popescu: "is the choice between being a priss or getting laid, or is the choice between what ~kind~ of getting laid ? maybe i'm getting laid with jesus!"
asciilifeform: gonna tell me that a sawmill is the same as knowing-how-to-remove-appendix ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure you're alt-getting laid and christian rock rules.
mircea_popescu: "knowing how to" fill the fucking paperwork and ask for permission.
mircea_popescu: get the fuck outta here.
asciilifeform: but actually kreinin is getting one thing catastrophically wrong, it is entirely possible to get dekulakized ~out of one's profession~
asciilifeform: e.g., both of my parents were.
mircea_popescu: but see... he has the capital of knowing how to... uhhh... oh i know, misrepresent his vices as virtues!
asciilifeform: so with this dawning on me, i can't defend the rest of the piece, it sorta blows in pieces in the wind.
mircea_popescu: such capitool.
asciilifeform: sorta like that skinless chick
asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
asciilifeform: the one in the skinning machine
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373434 << while this is a correct description, i would also like to add that a ~correct~ vtron is also defined as being SPECIFICALLY NOT THIS : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370325
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:31:04; mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 21:23:18; ascii_butugychag: https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story
asciilifeform: if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !!
asciilifeform: and if i include ALL DEPENDENCIES it should take no more than a day to read.
asciilifeform: (which, of course, would mean that a correct vtron does not presently exist...)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373654 << anybody ever read kornbluth's short story 'marching morons' ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:41; jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373684 << iirc putin is giving out phreeeee land there (encumbered with must-build-house and no-sale-for-xx-years conditions, but still)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:56:52; pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has.
BingoBoingo: !s keccak
assbot: 3 results for 'keccak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keccak
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.
BingoBoingo: From mines: https://archive.is/CkspO "On the one hand he has done some good work with BitcoinJ, Lighthouse etc. Certainly his choice of bloom filter has had a net negative effect on the privacy of SPV users"
assbot: The Mike Hearn Show: Season Finale (and Bitcoin Classic: Series Premiere) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVuq2t )
thestringpuller: Isn't BitcoinJ the thing that lame android client used? That thing was buggy as hell and like 15 different distros of android caused the wallet to leak keys.
BingoBoingo: Created by Hearnia
thestringpuller: Hearnia's site is gettin ddosed it looks like.
thestringpuller: Can't even get to home page
thestringpuller: either that or he took it down as part of ragequit
BingoBoingo: !up jixei
BingoBoingo: Hello jixei what bring you around these parts?
jixei: Searching for intelligent life. My immediately surrounding company has been disappointing.
ben_vulpes: more new faces?
ben_vulpes at office, fixing fancy couch $bzprtnr bought a year ago
ben_vulpes: one of those interesting $50 now or $2500 in three week problems i can solve due to hilariously checkered background
BingoBoingo: jixei: I see, care to give us a little bit of your history?
mircea_popescu: !up jixei
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i thought you were at orifice, at first.
jixei: Not to be rude, but I think I'm just going to lurk. Thank you for your inspiration.
mircea_popescu: lurking's always the higher road.
jixei: I thought being prepared at any moment to stand up for what you believe in was the higher road. But the impasses have been many.
BingoBoingo: jixei: Rude is often welcome here. But lurking is fine too.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !! << any ideas on a correct implementation?
mod6: or suggested lang?
mircea_popescu: jixei well no, that's the narrower road.
mircea_popescu: many roads!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2067 @ 0.0005235 = 1.0821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00052391 = 3.9031 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2547.2, vol: 98294.14320000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2547.2
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.54, vol: 23634.15493557 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.851, vol: 21044.74759 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 385.58, vol: 55879.97188189 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.30632189 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.879163, vol: 98285.26020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 385.06, vol: 496.21416148 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.692543989, vol: 185.97494102 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @ 0.00052493 = 1.0541 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 386.077839035
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052605 = 2.3672 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up jixei
pete_dushenski: this peanut butter chocolate cheesecake is a bit disappointing. icing is too sweet and it's not "cheezy" enough. more like an ultra-rich, ultra-dense, slightly creamier cake than you'd otherwise expect. the most impressive thing about this cake was the sheer mass. the box must've been 20 lbs for a 10"er.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373766 << unreliable and then tbtf. no fucking components supplier should be that goddam big
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:37:01; mircea_popescu: they're as unreliable as they fucking get.
pete_dushenski: and yet, here we are.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:42:12; mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << that's a point. i'm not actually sure wtf i was thinking
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
pete_dushenski: !s nothing works
assbot: 60 results for 'nothing works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nothing+works
danielpbarron: whoops, macro gone awry there heh
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:08:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:13:18; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?
pete_dushenski: perhaps i read too much into that question, but the idea that one would need to specifically name future miners and their means and methods seemed (and seems) a bit silly to me. they, whoever they are, will find a way, because how not ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373825 << aha. so do i. one of the few pieces of useful relic software i have kicking about.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:09:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
mod6: thanks in advance
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:11:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time
pete_dushenski: these were evidently a first-class mode of transport, substantially more expensive to own and operate than a car, and not, to my eye, made of cardboard (though planes a decade earlier were, by and large)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373841 << indeed. and we're imagining a world where cars ~at present~ function as airplanes ~once did~, merely to demonstrate the existence and advantages of specific types of economic organisation.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:12:24; asciilifeform: today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate
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