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pete_dushenski: no one's claiming that flying and driving and living and breathing under usg don't blow dead bears.
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BingoBoingo: Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because itd be too hard on his health/body
http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA "
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move.
BingoBoingo: Not International cxt. International harvester scout.
BingoBoingo: harvester scout for surfaces more hostile than the roads they were
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ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.punindented.-1:fdd8264a25a95bfb8946055ada53326a3a54a99c6cf8594b6f5effcaae04d145
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for punindented with note: unwelcome here
ben_vulpes: punindented: you may continue this conversation here
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
ben_vulpes: how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: RE:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So what was so irritating it had to happen in a pm conversation?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 'twas so banal as to be entirely unremarkable
ben_vulpes: should punindented come back, it must be on his knees.
ben_vulpes: i don't extend the robert viragh s of the world nearly so much rope as i did before
ben_vulpes: once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves
ben_vulpes: but now i am a man and i hang fools by my own hand
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: He linked me a dpaste. Solid decision.
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians.
ben_vulpes: adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding.
ben_vulpes: buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot.
pete_dushenski: which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one
pete_dushenski: even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores.
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373877 << these were entirely unrelated parts of the zil factory afaik. only reason "zil" was chosen was that b wanted to shine a positive light on the company, like bahamas does with cadillac. not like it matters whether 'beast' shares parts with gmc trucks. hell it probably wouldn't break down in the middle of diplomatic missions if it were a custom job !
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> where'd it cut off? << before I anticipate he got really verbose
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:36:50; asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 03:36:34; asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
phf: so running linux on macbook pro is all kinds of fun. there's about 50 files exposed in /sys and /proc that control intimate details of the laptop's operation.
phf: like for example controls over the ability to not overheat like crazy and drain battery in half hour.
phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
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phf: who would've thought that linux ecosystem could've gotten worse since last time i checked..
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ben_vulpes: i'm playing openbsd quest most recently, as openbsd didn't do drivers or reference implementation compilation
ben_vulpes: i'm playing *gentoo quest* most recently...
ben_vulpes: sorry, $client left many bottles of homemade kahlua at the office
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the fiat involvement is not clear
ben_vulpes: oh wait this is fiat currency not fiat cars
ben_vulpes: sorry, the relentless carblogger threads have me twisted
phf: ben_vulpes: macbookpro early 2011 (i believe it's 8,2)
phf: my standard machine, basically
phf: i tried openbsd on it, but it wouldn't even boot. i'm pretty sure it's an issue with integrated/discrete video cards
phf: i'm running slackware on it :>
ben_vulpes: mine did obsd just fine, didn't want to accelerate videocards though
phf: accelerate? what you trying to watch cat videos? i've only gotten as far as having emacs running on console
ben_vulpes: exwm and the reference implementation are ~90% of my current compute goals
BingoBoingo: "We do not believe the concept of fee market"
phf: i'm planning on staying in console until i figure out how to make base hardware behave
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
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assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.
mircea_popescu: technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either.
mircea_popescu: i'm not particularly convinced this would solve anything, also.
punkman: memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next.
adlai: fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)
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punkman: Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
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mircea_popescu: nevertheless, stranding the miners is an important reserve power.
mircea_popescu: schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that.
thestringpuller: punkman: direct access to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400%
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's.
mircea_popescu: "these people'd be a lot more interested if they tried cooking naked."
ascii_shmoocon: aha it was surprisingly nonlame. turns out that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps that crash it.
ascii_shmoocon: lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary
ascii_shmoocon: and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist'
ascii_shmoocon: the crackpot group theory cipher thing yesterday was lulzy
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack).
ascii_shmoocon: and i now have what is quite likely a lifetime supply of keychain
thestringpuller: "An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh.
mircea_popescu: "fucking a ten dollar hooker in the cunt is safer than fucking her in the ass".
ascii_shmoocon: say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???
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thestringpuller: nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason.
thestringpuller: i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"
ascii_shmoocon: the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"
mircea_popescu: so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
mircea_popescu: yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca.
thestringpuller: a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization
thestringpuller: and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.
ascii_shmoocon: i said from day 1, it makes no sense to ~sell- miners.
mircea_popescu: it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication.
thestringpuller: instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: and this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding.
thestringpuller: none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter.
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ascii_shmoocon: aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism.
ascii_shmoocon: for so long as somebody can cream you in production chain, he owns you
mircea_popescu: you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners.
ascii_shmoocon: didja invent a means of dispensing with miners? I'm all ears
ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
jurov: imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one that changes often, unpredictably and substantially
ascii_shmoocon: and I admit that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day
mircea_popescu: jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded.
jurov: if what were the case?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.
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mircea_popescu: jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented to mining
ascii_shmoocon: also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return ticket
jurov: yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly
mircea_popescu: haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ?
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone
mircea_popescu: they go for the whole nine years, they're gonna make a clay divinity!
jurov: well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm"
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jurov: yeaaa...and symbolics sin and ...
jurov: babbage and turing and...
jurov: von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough.
mircea_popescu: we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: is it still problem is "sane" person owns production?
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: cause right now it seems production is held by incompetent cartel, which is why I said it'd be less of problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
jurov: for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway
jurov: i want infinite count of proven assymetric functions!!!!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D
thestringpuller: jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no? thus at some point it will necesarily change.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's not necessarily a bad thing to want, on its own.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: competent one does not have === anti-christ
mircea_popescu: very valid place to invest a life in quite respectable research.
DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
DerpUnion: and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping them clean off their bitcoins
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mircea_popescu: "Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners.
mircea_popescu: The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite."
mircea_popescu: did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear.
mircea_popescu:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t
mircea_popescu: o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only.
mircea_popescu: but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes.
mircea_popescu: "cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries.
ascii_rear: sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
ascii_rear: ancient modemz, electromechanical switch, etc
trinque: mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works.
trinque: I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck.
trinque: just gotta get the services rewritten
jurov: lol i read alf got a car opener
jurov: which would be shocking given his strict-whitehat proclivities
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Actually if you just want to interview and so a qntra piece that would be swell
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mircea_popescu: for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
shinohai: BingoBoingo: if he writes back sure
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shinohai: "Please send your questions to admin at f2pool dot com. Thanks." macbook-air
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Cool. It looks like you have a lead for that F2pool interview you're going to submit to Qntra.
shinohai: They seem to be going Classic no?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support
BingoBoingo: IN other news Selkis is going over to Coindesk since Silbert owns them both.
jurov: no idea about either derp
jurov: should i know them?
BingoBoingo: Offensive comments related to ... body size << It's because Gavin's bulking isn't it?
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mod6: just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo.
mod6: was able to build v7.10
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jurov: mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine
punkman: does trb relay txs with op_return outputs?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
mircea_popescu: you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright.
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BingoBoingo thought Lafond made it clear he exists on bottom. Only spared fatal predation so far because prickly.
BingoBoingo: Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest
assbot: In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO )
jurov: would be hilarious if they reused my hack
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeh. he was quoting some policeman dude tho
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin core's implementing teh b-a mempool limit stuff ? ha-ha.
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thestringpuller: "What I'm doing with my life...Working in electronics company.."
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mod6: <+jurov> mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine << my gentoo didn't have gdb built via portage, so when I went to build that, it blew up (re: yesterday).
mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
mod6: that way i can actually debug my bitcoind with musl symbols etc.
shinohai: I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00053151 = 1.1693 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka
pete_dushenski: wouldja look at that... mpex sinks 'bitcoinclassic' and mpoe bust through 53. what a coincidence :P
BingoBoingo: lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code.
BingoBoingo: BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit.
BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053152 = 1.9135 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
BingoBoingo: My how things have changed from 2014. TMSR has a fallback plan nao: Become Olympus!
phf: this is where it's all going, pgpgrams over gossip of v-ified ledgers
phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i suppose they'd be more expensive, perhaps even too expensive to cost-effectively use.
pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if faced with ru roads, i'd drive g-wagon, as ru'ians do.
ben_vulpes: anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram
ben_vulpes: ofc one could also do entirely away with the 'cc' part.
ben_vulpes: gotta kill the megastates first though.
ben_vulpes: yeah well who knows how the trajectory actually draws through the possibility space
BingoBoingo: "In initial implementations, old nodes which are not yet aware of NODE_BLOOM and use a protocol version < 70011 may still send filter messages to a node without NODE_BLOOM. This feature may be removed after there are sufficient NODE_BLOOM nodes available and SPV clients have upgraded, allowing node operators to fully close the bloom-related DoS vectors."
ben_vulpes regards the vast pile of oddities that sorta-worked
ben_vulpes: actually the waste oil furnace was pretty good
ben_vulpes: piston was for lulzy undergraduate water cooled lfr engine design with reciprocating pistons to pressurize fuel lines
ben_vulpes: learned that turbo machinery is clearly the correct solution
ben_vulpes: furnace was for heating warehouse where i was working
ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant giving it away up the street!
ben_vulpes maggot, proud to find free energy around
ben_vulpes: pumped water through the furnace, up to our shop, and through an old car radiator with a fan behind it.
ben_vulpes: did not work as well as the radiant attachments atop the propane tank
ben_vulpes: also blew crap all over the shop while i was finishing tables and whatnot, so eventually decommissioned.
ben_vulpes: co poisoning not really an issue, it's a slow flow over some steel mesh, more or less everything burns off on the mesh going to co2
assbot: Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #6579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1ZuhGj2 )
ben_vulpes: well, "most" relative to volume of shop.
ben_vulpes: you want the eye of sauron: mr heater mh15t
ben_vulpes: only time i ever came close to death by co2 was operating the concrete cutter in someone's basement
punkman: wood stove that vents outside mebbe
ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what is with you and unsanitary working conditions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00053152 = 3.7738 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: why not on wooden floor
phf: warehouses are expensive in dc area. it's some sort of idiot bubble, because you can rent warehouse space by acres in baltimore and whereabouts, only an hour away
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 20:54:44; mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
ben_vulpes: did i hear that someone managed to get rotor to clobber their whole homedir?
phf: fwiw, i've ran it on large data before and it was constant faster then bsd awk that comes with os x
BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052927 = 2.5405 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: asciilifeform: punindented was trying to help out a bit -- he hit that weird bug with vdiff on ubuntu or debian or something, when then reminded me that I lost your fix for that. I've searched through logs many times, can't seem to find it. I did actually ask yesterday too:
mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
mod6: so if you have yours somewhere it'd be awesome to get that and place it somewhere so I don't lose it again.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE << yes someone did do this.
mod6: and blew away their pgp keys too.
mod6: so make sure you have your keys backed up!
mod6: and don't nuke your entire world.
hanbot takes out an extra pinky finger to hold aloft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00052854 = 2.9598 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:18:20; phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:21:26; asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.
mircea_popescu: again : the volume of production and the relationships between people are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing but fartware and wishful thinking backing this notion that "every idiot getting 10 dollars to spend is the best possible world", pangloss.
mircea_popescu: for all you know the world where every derp and his ten dollars causes britney spears is the world where quality musical instruments do not exist.
mircea_popescu: for all you know the world of manufacturing was lots and lots more powerful back when trhey were supplying bach's needs than sepultura's.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:20:50; pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:34:20; asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052727 = 1.0282 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:36:22; ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh tell me more about how sane people don't get carbide this or that, please.
mircea_popescu: i never lived in a fucking hovel where the heating wasn't vented, either outside the wall or in specially made vents ffs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if it's a wooden shed, cut a hole, add a pipe and some insulation, done.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did! you wouldn't even fuck the eager gypsy girls!
mircea_popescu: now granted, it was just a concrete slab with corrugated sheet walls and roof.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the locals were kinda jealous of the guy, because it comes out that doing a 40 x 100 metre concrete slab and surrounding it in basically an elaborate, roofed fence costs less than building an actual house, and brought in rent slightly more.
mircea_popescu: middle of nowhere, but hey, it had natl road access right by the door.
mircea_popescu: anyway. back in the day "warehouse" meant brick wall, etc.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 23:10:18; mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
mircea_popescu: look at my most recent article, the curve is there and intuitively obvious what's meant.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:20:36; mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
mod6: asciilifeform: no i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: heck, i guess in practice every insanity's heard of, including to subdivide a woman unawares.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:05:27; BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 22:12:09; BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00052404 = 2.7774 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform confucius say, better share toothbrush than buttplug.
punkman: I think I had that error, just changed around the quoting of the vdiff command
mod6: yeah, this seems to be the case on ubuntu & deb (iirc), only works on gentoo for me. you fixed this once iirc. but i've since lost the changes :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00052999 = 2.7559 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: mod6, here's my version: diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange."
guruvan: mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking
punkman: guruvan: possibly because of openssl version
mircea_popescu: gah, is half our documentation unmaintained / out of date by now ?
guruvan: asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ?
mircea_popescu: listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse.
guruvan: I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball
guruvan: mircea_popescu: docker image Dockerfile helps document buld process -that part of why I do these
mircea_popescu: lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down.
guruvan: sorta - I think I have everything in the current mirror set all figured out - haven't tried to build anything outta that yet
guruvan: I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet
guruvan: more or less tried all the pertinent commands - made sure it seemed set up right
guruvan: seriously asciilifeform what's up there
guruvan: I was wondering about this when I saw this in the logs today (on classic?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas.
guruvan: there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds
guruvan: why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery
mircea_popescu: standard explanation, "it has some pores dept x needs"
mircea_popescu: most of the time it's junk anyway, but hey, bureaucracy prevails!
guruvan: LOL :) some pores compay ABC needs ;)
mircea_popescu: no, more like SHITFACE or DERPSTORM or whatever the fuck.
ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform before it was mass produced because five barons couldn't possibly etc.
ben_vulpes: chapter something in the story, yes asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: should have listened to you, but must piss on each and every fence myself.
ben_vulpes: "why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working"
ben_vulpes: 2 things drove this toolchain rebuild: exwm and tri-on-the-metal.
ben_vulpes downloading stage three for the...second? third? time today
guruvan: lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken
guruvan: that's on today's agenda is to see why my glibc fails out of the latest portage :P
ben_vulpes: guruvan: what better route forward then? ubuntu 14.04?
guruvan: poh - no - I'm going forward with all my own gentoos :) zomg ubuntu 14.04
guruvan: I do use some in some docker images for various purposes, but my heaviest use images are all gentoo based
mircea_popescu: "Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.�
mircea_popescu: That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go.
mircea_popescu: As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material."
guruvan: heh I definitely remember altavista
mircea_popescu: the only practical way to know google didn't fucking invent the un-shat-upon screen is to personally know the devs that had done it before. i suspect this is true of most "genius ideas".
guruvan: once those ideas have sufficient network effect yet
punkman: did chetty read c++ via text-to-speech?
ben_vulpes: there are excellent reasons for the 80-col law.
punkman: my sympathies to friends, family and eulorean tribes
punkman: did she ever keep a blog, memoirs?
mircea_popescu: she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: not aware that there'd by any memoirs. she was kinda young for that sort of thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00052172 = 2.8434 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2020 @ 0.00053008 = 1.0708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00052107 = 2.6575 BTC [-] {4}
mod6: <+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right?
mod6: mircea_popescu: hey thanks for putting up your steps in the wiki
mod6: or, whomever did that.
mircea_popescu: i didn't do it. mebbe danielpbarron ? or hanbot ? or pete
danielpbarron: instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them
phf: ben_vulpes: so i'm running slackware with homebrew for linux. base system comes with most things you need to run linux userspace, and if i want something extra i just build it with brew. old dog new tricks
phf: none of that "rebuilding stage 3 with -O30 -mi868a" bullshit :>
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 21:06:37; BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." << SHould be fixed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort << I imagine ben_vulpes mac has color display greater than 9"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ok but i mean, instead of article ? Ah. missed that it snuck in there. Need to check the front page more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7069 @ 0.00052698 = 3.7252 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think i'm ironically much more famous among the idiot us-democrat crowd than among the idiot us-republican crowd.
mircea_popescu: i don't think either side knew enough of the world back then
mircea_popescu: " I refuse to be deterred by conventional safety. I will eat Chipotle until it fucking kills me.
mircea_popescu: The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school."
BingoBoingo: This really is how the US will fall. The few will be unable to keep with with the many who can not wipe their ass.
BingoBoingo: It will be impossible for all of these planets to get their asses wiped.
BingoBoingo: Anal fistulas will become the leading cause of mortality in the United States.
mircea_popescu is doing his part by extracting young hottie nurses from the system.
mircea_popescu: (who the fuck knew - nurses are like the one profession with the largest bdsm bent, it's HUGE.)
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BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday
mircea_popescu: the us banks seem to be getting more holidays than argentina
BingoBoingo: But yes, they get lots of planned holidays
mircea_popescu: "how do you spell illiterate ?" "look it up in the dictionary." "how am i going to look it up if i don't know how to spell it ?!"