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asciilifeform: bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l
asciilifeform: did not know this existed.
cazalla: Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested?
cazalla: full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down
Birdman: I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: is this from rounders ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol yeah
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc
mircea_popescu: !up vkmc
mircea_popescu: cazalla so didja manage to get it going ?
cazalla: nope
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/046YK9Z.txt at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer
cazalla: busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/
mircea_popescu: cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe
mircea_popescu: used multiple windows or who knows what.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-]
assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFbBwz )
mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?
assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFcQvJ )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+]
mod6: mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter.
mod6: looking for someone with lower rank?
mod6: I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :]
mircea_popescu: yeah need someone who's practically a virgin
mod6: ah ok. thanks for checking though.
asciilifeform: zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19
mircea_popescu: 188.68.240.159 got 15 (if we're talking connections)
asciilifeform: this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought
asciilifeform: how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ?
asciilifeform: i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc
cazalla: mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times
cazalla: seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04
cazalla: can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess.
mircea_popescu: cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ?
mircea_popescu: sorry, cs not cal3d
cazalla: i wouldn't even know tbh
cazalla: spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language
cazalla: configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+]
cazalla: i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again
punkman: hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-]
assbot: URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gFmS3O )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-]
assbot: Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk9065 )
punkman: "Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two"
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPX6YVcUAAEMpa7.jpg:large "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-]
punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-]
assbot: [PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql )
fluffypony: that is truly surprising
fluffypony: I'm so surprised
fluffypony: this is my surprised face
mircea_popescu: supa suparised.
mircea_popescu: !up ffmad
shinohai: Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony
punkman: I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year
punkman: "How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+]
cazalla: Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b21
mircea_popescu: the fellowsheep of the scamvestor
mircea_popescu: the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc.
mircea_popescu: except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house.
assbot: Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd3ons )
shinohai: 21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk.
mircea_popescu: obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin.
cazalla: half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai
cazalla: then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked
shinohai: Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started."
cazalla tries again without ublock
fluffypony: how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin?
fluffypony: what a stupid quiz
shinohai: I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better.
cazalla: fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now http://i.imgur.com/D5lGwFS.png
fluffypony: so did I
fluffypony: and I didn't become a certified anything :-P
mircea_popescu: im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense".
mircea_popescu: ethereum, perhaps.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinxt
mircea_popescu: o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals.
cazalla: "SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity."
assbot: Startup Sabr.io is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Cio )
mircea_popescu: hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ?
mircea_popescu: lol could have caught my foot.
mircea_popescu: !up Anduck
mircea_popescu: yo anduck what are you doing these days ?
kakobrekla: !rated Anduck
assbot: You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works..
mircea_popescu: that, i know.
mircea_popescu: where's vexual when you need him.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask?
mircea_popescu: deviant art.
shinohai: Kewl.
mircea_popescu: specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me
mircea_popescu: if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well.
mircea_popescu: basically spend all day clicking through deviant art.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-]
shinohai: I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ?
mircea_popescu: of course he can.
mircea_popescu: but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first.
mircea_popescu: oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing http://minigame.bz/splash.png was based off.
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah
mircea_popescu: actually that one's not half bad.
mircea_popescu: ask the author.
mircea_popescu: tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz.
shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with sjw ? :D
davout: hello
davout: "if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains."
mircea_popescu: how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula.
davout: every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself
mircea_popescu: it's going there anyway.
davout: and digs moar
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.
mircea_popescu: shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait.
punkman: here's an artist suggestion http://problemglyphs.org/
assbot: Problem Glyphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6Iii )
davout: mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot
davout: also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st...
assbot: Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdWyh )
jurov: hi davout, i requested x.eur delivery, still not on paymium
jurov: or it's waiting on mircea too?
mircea_popescu: davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing.
mircea_popescu: you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently!
shinohai: How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: did she buy a bunch of retweets?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived
punkman: pretty good :D
cazalla: sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPMCxcjUEAAISNo.jpg:large
shinohai: Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he?
cazalla: i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something
mircea_popescu: davout you should be all set.
mircea_popescu: punkman looking at it i guess she must have.
mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.
mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric.
punkman: could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets
mircea_popescu: it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental.
mircea_popescu: o you know... damn.
mircea_popescu: so that's what they do on the cellphones all day.
mircea_popescu: !up VariaVarietatis
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
mircea_popescu: cazalla at least he fattened nicely.
kakobrekla: i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game?
kakobrekla: nodes
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla except for dulap iirc.
mircea_popescu: VariaVarietatis peter's company ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:06:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?
assbot: the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074681 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.00075224 = 16.7825 BTC [+]
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: he gets no cash.
mircea_popescu: well at least not normally.
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go?
mircea_popescu: nowhere.
shinohai: thx kakobrekla for making list.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159
kakobrekla: which one is that, does it have a name?
mircea_popescu: it's mine.
mircea_popescu: i never named it.
kakobrekla: you just did
mircea_popescu: whatever.b-a.link ?
kakobrekla: added
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in?
mircea_popescu: dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million).
mircea_popescu: so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount.
davout: !up VariaVarietatis
davout: VariaVarietatis: when it's said peter owns 20% of the million after the deal, he owns it indirectly through richard's company that owns 1mn, he now owns 20% of
VariaVarietatis: davout: think got it. was getting mixed up thinking only 800k went in
assbot: davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB )
VariaVarietatis: but discount comes from owning it after the money is already in.
davout: VariaVarietatis: to me it's just a confusing way of saying exactly the same thing
funkenstein_: Them footnotes made me think for a moment Ted Nelson's vision is finally springing to life :)
funkenstein_: good morning WoT cattle *tips hat*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35790 @ 0.00075224 = 26.9227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00074113 = 21.3445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00074016 = 29.1623 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00074002 = 9.7653 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: is mpex dead for you too? (empty stats)
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.04307875 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b7
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 00:37:40; asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: fixed
asciilifeform: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << frightfully out of date, prolly ought to be zapped
assbot: 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuoDJM )
jurov: davout: don't see it (but yes, happens)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: is there a link to therealbitcoin.org in there ?
kakobrekla: search says no.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you are running the item described in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269180 this would handily explain why your node is so easily wedged. it lacks the db locks fix (and, on top of this, still stores fucking orphan tx, even)
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 02:07:13; mircea_popescu: hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing
deedbot-: accepted: 1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074278 = 26.5172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00074002 = 24.6797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00074459 = 30.7516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kurxyk )
asciilifeform: 'Doxycycline, an antibiotic, went from $20 a bottle in October 2013 to $1,849 by April 2014, according to the two lawmakers.'
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KurX7R )
asciilifeform: 'This is not the first time the 32-year-old Mr. Shkreli, who has a reputation for both brilliance and brashness, has been the center of controversy. He started MSMB Capital, a hedge fund company, in his 20s and drew attention for urging the Food and Drug Administration not to approve certain drugs made by companies whose stock he was shorting.' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: nothing like an inherited wealth vermin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00073919 = 81.0522 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40207 @ 0.00073853 = 29.6941 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280751 << well ya, and aristotle's nicomachean ethics was more readable in greek. so what ? not like translations are targeted at readers of the tongue of the original. this article is for pretty much anyone who isn't stan, mp, or hanbot :)
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:55:05; asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!
assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kuwc3k )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280754 << it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:56:41; mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?
pete_dushenski: it's like trying to read straight torah right out of the scrolls without ever having seen a layperson's text that distinguishing 'bet' from 'vet'
assbot: A third of Britons born in 2015 will develop dementia: study| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuwQh2 )
pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00073791 = 18.4846 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007376 = 12.7605 BTC [-]
assbot: Mas-Colell dice que España está obligada a pagar las pensiones ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuAk39 )
pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?
assbot: Techie finds 1.5 MEELLION US medical records exposed on AWS • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuBY54 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0007487 = 11.3428 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Zscaler Research: More Adult Themed Android Ransomware ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuDm7B )
pete_dushenski: naturally, it uses paypal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075235 = 9.3291 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
pete_dushenski: and in still other news, "Apple has published a workaround after some iPhone and iPad users were left stranded in the middle of the iOS 9 update process. The Cupertino giant has acknowledged multiple complaints that devices were unable to progress past the "Slide to Upgrade" screen when moving to the latest version of iOS. Apple's remedy: wipe your device and hope you made a backup."
gernika: And this is actually ok because the contents of their devices is *worthless*.
pete_dushenski: perhaps objectively
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00073954 = 6.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00073732 = 18.5008 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd opteron is the single most precarious 'strategic good' in my particular household (can't speak for others)
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
ascii_field: the one and only workstation-class chip that will run 100% blobless
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
thestringpuller: been syncing blockchain on essentially raspberry pi for 33 days and 1 hour
ascii_field: raspi is an astonishing piece of shit
thestringpuller: It's not a raspi just in terms of power it's about a rasbpi
thestringpuller: it's a VPS but it's smallest footprint size
thestringpuller: even so it's going to cost about 80 bucks to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis to current.
thestringpuller: at the very least*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00073579 = 58.017 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: thestringpuller: -connect ?
thestringpuller: yes with -connect
ascii_field: ftr i don't get the point of running a node on vps
thestringpuller: better internet.
thestringpuller: i.e. more uptime, not all of us have business internet in our houses :P
ascii_field: it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands tied behind your back.
thestringpuller: who cares if I have to eat like a dog for a single sync
thestringpuller: at least I have valid blockchain :P
thestringpuller: i.e. soup won't be poisoned
ascii_field: and you know this how ?
thestringpuller: VPS can magically change running code and storage? dis VPS skynet now?
ascii_field: nothing magic about it
thestringpuller: If VPS is magically changing blockchain the client would wedge which it has not...
ascii_field: does not follow.
thestringpuller: this magical attack vector doesn't seem feasible
thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
ascii_field: how often your machine validates ancient blocks ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00075235 = 26.7837 BTC [+]
ascii_field: (if you think this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read the source.)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Someone else runs the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on the blocks on my local machine.
thestringpuller: there is more science to be done to minimize risk
ascii_field: validate ?
thestringpuller: tis a joke
thestringpuller: the actual command is -checkblocks=0 no? (check all blocks on startup)
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmf1nr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075235 = 6.0188 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected...
thestringpuller: am i close? (that's what she said)
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: i guess I don't fully grok ascii_field
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
ascii_field: 'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ?
ascii_field: 'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need to optimize every Nock formula that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs to optimize one: the one we actually run. The only one we run is the one compiled from the decrement function ++dec in the Hoon standard library. So there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs to analyze Nock formulas to see if they're decrement formulas. It only needs
ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
ascii_field: same old.
ascii_field: '... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'
ascii_field: srsly??!!!
ascii_field: 'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on top for flavour'
ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
ascii_field: i suppose destroyers and frigates were too right-wing yet, for the new mr mold
ascii_field: somehow it has to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects.
ascii_field: ok this is precious,
ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
ascii_field: 'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per transaction (as of 2015). Trusted transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a tiny fraction of this. And the transaction velocity of money is high; transactions in land are far more rare.'
ascii_field has had enough for one sitting.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: don't want you to have a stroke now...
ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
ascii_field: 'In February 2003, the FBI assigned a team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" -- to work full-time at the NSA to manage the FBI's participation in the program. Team 10's primary responsiblity was to disseminate PSP information through [censored] ECs to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over time, Team 10 began to participate in the PSP in other ways. For example, Team 10 occasionally submitted
ascii_field: telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses to the NSA to be searched against the bulk metadata collected under the PSP...'
ascii_field: ^ l0ltr0nic
ascii_field: (from earlier link, https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nsa-stellarwind-ig-nyt-15-0919.pdf -- official release! the parallel construction thing is not even an official secret any longer.)
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00075235 = 17.0407 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bet-over-ethereums-survival-rockets-past-100-btc-in-wagers/
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: Etheruem ?
BingoBoingo: How is it actually spelled?
ascii_field: like in the title iirc
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: Break RSA encryption with this one weird trick — Quantum Bits — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkJZwA )
ascii_field: shor is old nyoo
ascii_field: go, build.
shinohai: I found it to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed those bits.
ascii_field: !s rsa pill
assbot: 9 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill
ascii_field: ^ see logz
ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
ascii_field: merely conjecture.
assbot: Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkLnzs )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00074013 = 13.5444 BTC [-]
shinohai: ^ kek
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074013 = 3.3306 BTC [-]
phf: it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc.
ascii_field: i am not sure about the political, but on technical questions it was DOA
ascii_field: (mr mold's 2010 notes are still up, http://moronlab.blogspot.com - decide for yourself)
assbot: Moron Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvZesU )
phf: on technical merits i thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies to don woods) hosted on top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were the main driving force behind decisions. the reality turned out to be a lot more banal
ascii_field: not far from the facts though.
ascii_field: i followed the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that
phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
phf: *the only member remaining
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00075136 = 22.8413 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00074013 = 10.3574 BTC [-]
lobbes: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26094 @ 0.00073588 = 19.2021 BTC [-]
jurov: !up King_Rex
jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinken
phf: ascii_field: what'd you think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"?
ascii_field: good book for a kid
phf: i did technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits to make them more "common lisp", though i don't think i fully reached that goal
ascii_field: it is a spiffy book
phf: yeah, we bonded over the need for more books that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible technologies
phf: fits in head™
lobbes: !up ascii_field
lobbes: jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00073933 = 10.7358 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that << Thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00075202 = 21.8469 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: Rex mag kein Käse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075165 = 16.6115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16739 @ 0.0007404 = 12.3936 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up King_Rex
BingoBoingo: !Up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25011 @ 0.00073705 = 18.4344 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Lol ascii_field USG has its own pogo now too https://archive.is/zDd5y
assbot: 21 Inc Announces 'Bitcoin Computer' for Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wec5hk )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: they had a shitpogo earlier
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo
BingoBoingo: Difference appears to be mouse shit versus moose shit
ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
BingoBoingo: "The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power the miner generates."
BingoBoingo: "The reason you can do these things so quickly is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy things for bitcoin)"
ascii_field: all hail the gavincoin asics
ascii_field: includes hearniated client for phree!
BingoBoingo: "factory-isntall"Chain
ascii_field: aha. how else.
BingoBoingo: The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going to last that long
jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
jurov: not even 1M one
ascii_field: who said anything about validation
ascii_field: or rather, 'validation' to these folks means something quite else
BingoBoingo: No need to validate, Factory installed
ascii_field: 'zap terrorist transactions'
BingoBoingo: !up psztorc
BingoBoingo: !up ShawnLeary
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: ascii_field: https://21.co/ << prepare to have seizure
thestringpuller: oh you are lolling over it already
ascii_field: looks like a snorefest so far
thestringpuller: all this VC money is just being flushed down the toilet
thestringpuller: You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks than buying into this nonsense.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: this is just usg's answer to 'china refuses to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client'
shinohai: So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ?
ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ?
ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated.
thestringpuller: Who could ever trust this device...
ascii_field: 'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin. That is, you are not going to get rich by immediately selling the bitcoin mined by the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services to others for their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for the lulz
phf: it's got an obligatory "connected to macbook pro" picture for one
ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
ascii_field: 'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going to be much better than your margins from bitcoin mined with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. That is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you to use bitcoin as a true digital currency for taking worldwide payment for your APIs. The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into the system. '
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058 <<< TradeFortress banned for mentioning theymos' dox ?
assbot: View the profile of Tf | Banned for mentioning theymo.s dox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wedep1 )
ascii_field: i lack the lsd to properly grasp what is being spoken of here.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: they are trying to use mining as a way to hedge your investment by giving you access to inflation as you sell shit for btc.
shinohai: How is that thing going to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc
thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
phf: ascii_field: i think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use this thing to buy and sell bitcoins"
shinohai: Like, you know, a *regular bitcoin client*
ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
phf: i.e. target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker" thread
thestringpuller: yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with the computer it kinda buffers it.
thestringpuller: basically they are hedging on you selling shit for btc to make it pay for the computer which is fucktarded.
ascii_field: even for a scam, this stretches the bounds of the plausible
thestringpuller: no point in including an asic
ascii_field: sell ~what~ with it
thestringpuller: Your API's man!
ascii_field: and what happened to the fucking light bulb
ascii_field: now ~that~ was a quality chumpatron
thestringpuller: So you can post naked pix to instagram through snapchat using twitter and facebook
thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
thestringpuller: REVOLUTIONARY MAN
thestringpuller: you just don't understand innovation ascii_field
assbot: Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing the first bitcoin computer" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek )
ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
ascii_field: the hidden functionality of this thing ought to be an entertaining lulzmine
phf: ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code.
phf: *justification text
trinque: that's a raspberry pi
ascii_field: presumably - the miner.
trinque: yup
trinque: raised 121.1M according to crunchbase
ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
trinque: !up ascii_field
assbot: Amazon.com: The 21 Bitcoin Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1qrM )
cazalla: FAQ sorta conflicts with the idea of making money with this thing by selling goods.. "we think payment in BTC is not as big an improvement at the present time over standard ways to purchase macroscopic physical goods."
thestringpuller: 125mn for this piece of shit?
thestringpuller: 125mn invested to produce this piece of shit*
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:24:53; jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
phf: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc8d._SR1062,670_.jpg << note that the tag on asic seems to be blurred, compared to very readable labels all around it
mike_c: they're pushing micropayments, not buy a $400 hunk of silicon.
ascii_field: mike_c: also pushing a usgized wot knockoff
ascii_field: and otc knockoff
mike_c: yeah.. the whole "not a mining pool" thing is weird
ascii_field: incidentally, i would not be the least bit astonished if the miner die contains a second, inactive circuit for an alternative workfunction
ascii_field: when usgcoin proper comes online.
ascii_field: the laughable hash rate will not matter ~then~.
mike_c: what was it, 140 ghs?
mike_c: ah, 50-125
mike_c: quite a range
ascii_field: aha, from reject pile at ft meade
ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
ascii_field: so, to round off this hypothesis,
mike_c: maybe it's power dependant?
ascii_field: thing has an antifuse bridge inside
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0007392 = 23.9501 BTC [+]
ascii_field: that will be blown by a future 'mandatory update'
mike_c: x volts = 50, y volts = 125?
ascii_field: permanently turning it into a usgcoin miner.
ascii_field: (useless for any other purpose, and, importantly, specifically nonfunctional for conventional bitcoin)
ascii_field: this will be hailed as a great leap forward by the redditard crowd, because difficulty in this altcoin will initially be very low, making their 50-125 appear to 'count for something'
mike_c: well, can't say that i'll be blowing 2 btc on it any time soon.
ascii_field: if my hypothesis is correct AND the makers have half a brain, there is nothing to be learned from buying the board presently. unless you have access to electron microscope.
mike_c: weren't you building one of those in your garage?
ascii_field: i don't even have a garage.
mike_c: ah, first the pick and place, then the electron microscope :)
cazalla: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/ "Mr. Horowitz compared the potential of this computer to early web browsers and his time helping build Netscape back in the 1990s."
assbot: 21 Inc. Releases First Product, a ‘Bitcoin Computer’ - MoneyBeat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3hgp )
ascii_field: cazalla: see log
cazalla: posted link as it contains some quotes, that's all
phf: (usg agents reading the logs, "ascii always have some good ideas for us")
trinque: "If I find fifty righteous people in Silicon Valley, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
ascii_field: phf: the light bulb miner iirc was suggested here.
mike_c: speaking of new hardware, how goes routing ascii_field?
cazalla: not to mention the fact bitbeat has been used to push all manner of scams
ascii_field: mike_c: very very slowly.
assbot: BITMAIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3FLN )
mike_c: ugh. maybe you should get a 21 and pay someone else to do it with your constant stream of bitcoin.
ascii_field: mike_c: typically i leave the thing grinding before going off to the minez and check on it in the evening.
ascii_field: very 1970s/batch-processy.
mike_c: heh. so it's mostly auto-routing?
ascii_field: 'auto' would be a lie. but nominally, yes.
ascii_field: phf et al: from my (admittedly very distant) perch, my understanding of usg's engineering problem is as follows
ascii_field: breaks into two parts: 1) create properly usgistic altcoin
ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
ascii_field: the hard part is (2).
ascii_field: although i can easily imagine there being some disagreement among hitler's minions about the exact shape (1) ought to take
ascii_field: it is the siphoning that is the tricky bit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075234 = 17.5671 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00075234 = 13.4067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00075235 = 16.5517 BTC [+]
phf: ascii_field: aha
phf: BingoBoingo: all the fat whites that i've seen in turkey were american, literally every one of them would start speaking english at some point while we were watching. in fact approaching u.s. the number and variety of fat people increased dramatically up to the philadelphia saturation levels
BingoBoingo: phf: By Philadelphia saturation levels I assume you are referring to the "cream cheese" which helps them bulk to their size?
phf: philly cheese stake and microbrew beer culture
phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
BingoBoingo: I see. That must be rough.
phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00075364 = 106.3386 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: So reading about how USG wants to expand VW's sphincter I can across this enviroscam for the first time http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/australia-market/en-au/trucks/environment/Emissions_technology/AdBlue/questions_answers/Pages/question6.aspx
assbot: question6 - Q&A : Volvo Trucks - Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwueZN )
phf: there's an organic food coop here, with stereotypes buying groceries from stereotypes selling it. you'd have a field day
BingoBoingo: "If the AdBlue tank is not topped up at this point – we recommend a minimum top up of at least 3 litres - the ‘Refill AdBlue No start in XXX miles’ message will appear. You will be able to drive the distance shown but you will subsequently be unable to start the engine." >> http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you
BingoBoingo: -and-adblue.html
BingoBoingo: lol phf
phf: ooh ooh, a chubby english major, who's a perpetually broke works random jobs, but aspires to be a singer, but nobody has a heart to tell her that she's not very good
cazalla: phf, she wouldn't believe them anyway eh
BingoBoingo: Yeah, or write it off as oppreshun because people don't understand her condishuns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.0007529 = 11.996 BTC [-]
phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
phf: i'm not paraphrasing the last bit by the way
phf: there's a coop yoga place, that designed "as a sort of community wellness center", good thing that the owner owns the building too, because they can't seem to quite break even, and periodically have strategic brainstorm sessions about how to make money
phf: could make a portlandia show about west philadelphia, if it wasn't all so derivative already
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much failure gets passed along as "progress" in USistan
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: From the geniuses of Reddit https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg
cazalla: thanks for ruining my morning cuppa BingoBoingo
phf: and here i am being upset that you can't find a bidet anywhere in u.s. except for muslim neighbourhoods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075488 = 5.0577 BTC [+] {3}
phf: would probably also solve problems of the creatures in that reddit thread
BingoBoingo: seriously
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.0007529 = 30.2749 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b23
lobbes: 'I'm going to try this. I've been pooping in the shower for years...' << lmao. I don't envy the plumber that finally gets called to snake that drain
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10071 @ 0.00075417 = 7.5952 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unrelatred items.
mircea_popescu: hory shit 130 eth bet.
BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)
mircea_popescu: lol srsly ?
BingoBoingo: Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain
BingoBoingo: they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream
mircea_popescu: but... why ?
BingoBoingo: Because of Nitrogen oxides
mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
BingoBoingo: Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle
mircea_popescu: bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception"
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead."
BingoBoingo: Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel
punkman: why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting.
BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point
BingoBoingo: <punkman> why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss.
assbot: The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKktU )
mircea_popescu: but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones
mircea_popescu: while he waits in traffic.
assbot: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKlhp )
BingoBoingo: Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx
BingoBoingo: shinohai: That one
shinohai: That one gave me quite a few lolz
assbot: An Interview with Brian Kernighan ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKy45 )
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXUG8q4jKU "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media"
assbot: New York City rat taking pizza home on the subway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlLwgR )
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mircea_popescu: i cant even.
mircea_popescu: "No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the ever living fuck.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement.
mircea_popescu: guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ?
mircea_popescu: put the fear of god into them, as that guy said.
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mircea_popescu: (that guy, J.E. Freeman)
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ?
mircea_popescu: "HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy.
mircea_popescu: ted nelson.
mircea_popescu: he's right, too. it is.
asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree
asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically
mircea_popescu: (not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form)
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network.
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mircea_popescu: they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today.
BingoBoingo: That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao
asciilifeform: the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia'
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asciilifeform: *improvement over
mircea_popescu: all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik.
asciilifeform: the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines
mircea_popescu: this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc.
asciilifeform: any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with
mircea_popescu: in the 60s ?
mircea_popescu: in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative.
asciilifeform: 'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough"
mircea_popescu: us forgot this somehoiw.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade.
asciilifeform: afaik this is still very much a thing in usa
mircea_popescu: ("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.)
asciilifeform: to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly
mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore
asciilifeform: they didn't fit into the space capsule aha
gernika: My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good
gernika: used to it now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked.
phf: man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books
asciilifeform: gernika: what vintage ?
mircea_popescu: what guy ?
phf: you
asciilifeform: gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great
shinohai: Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat.
mircea_popescu: hey, i count it like giving up drinking.
mircea_popescu: i don't aim to defend it.
gernika: asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969.
asciilifeform: gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great'
gernika: asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish?
asciilifeform: gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough
asciilifeform: other than possibly on the colour plates.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ?
mircea_popescu: o you dunno what a cosy is ?
asciilifeform: just now saw it for the first time
asciilifeform: apparently a kind of sock ?
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots.
asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose...
mircea_popescu: it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk.
asciilifeform: and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through
mircea_popescu: so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES.
mircea_popescu: *hanbot* i'm dressing.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> huh ?
mircea_popescu: *hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> this i gotta see.
mircea_popescu: so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes.
mircea_popescu: then they started again
mircea_popescu: for maybe five minutes. and then left.
mircea_popescu: let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major.
mircea_popescu: she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark!
mircea_popescu: valkyrie on a stick.
mircea_popescu: i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower.
hanbot: ^ yes please.
mircea_popescu: lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ?
mircea_popescu: woman buys flamethrower ?
hanbot: i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka.
cazalla: asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129364443055/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal
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mircea_popescu: punkman nah that's mickey mouse.
mircea_popescu: golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing
asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha
asciilifeform: cazalla: (a few photos in)
asciilifeform: cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo)
phf: above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd
asciilifeform: or perhaps not dks. no idea.
punkman: above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump
asciilifeform: 'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didn’t care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as they’d just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want
asciilifeform: ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.'
phf: for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent
mircea_popescu: gas is only good for tv.
asciilifeform: this is underappreciated
mircea_popescu: two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things.
mircea_popescu: such as people.
mircea_popescu: you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc
mircea_popescu: and you want it to stick around.
phf: punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground
mircea_popescu looks again.
cazalla: yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before
mircea_popescu: mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something
mircea_popescu: because reflection.
asciilifeform: cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder.
asciilifeform: history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists
phf: so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft"
asciilifeform: when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light'
BingoBoingo: <phf> for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene
asciilifeform: but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried
asciilifeform: the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle,
asciilifeform: and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge.
mircea_popescu: " there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn’t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing.
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mircea_popescu: the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter.
mircea_popescu: it's a thin blade to walk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even.
mircea_popescu: "the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that’s something i don’t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before.
mircea_popescu: just, to no benefit.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming
mircea_popescu: but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table.
BingoBoingo: For flamethrower or bomb?
BingoBoingo: Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: and a separate tank for compressed air.
asciilifeform: worked well enough.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox
asciilifeform: burn out the air.
mircea_popescu: many use cases.
mircea_popescu: tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge,
mircea_popescu: enemy in building,
mircea_popescu: fucking mice, generally speaking.
asciilifeform: the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank.
phf: BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings
BingoBoingo: Interesting
mircea_popescu: tar is arguably even better.
phf: not for flamethrower though, for "molotov"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah lol
asciilifeform: i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid.
phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
asciilifeform: it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh.
mircea_popescu: phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped
mircea_popescu: "fuck you, get a girl to do it."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically.
BingoBoingo: What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff
phf: oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse
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mircea_popescu: phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go.
mircea_popescu: we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.)
mircea_popescu: (you just used the injection hole as a starter)
phf: haa
mircea_popescu: come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms.
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably.
mircea_popescu: or had to, at any rate.
phf: we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches
asciilifeform: i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre.
asciilifeform: they worked great.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281563 << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds !
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
mircea_popescu: but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1
BingoBoingo: Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/what-comes-after-the-heimlich-maneuver/?smid=tw-nytimeswell&smtyp=cur&_r=0
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mircea_popescu: too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising!
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pete_dushenski: !s i thought this was well known
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
pete_dushenski: isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well ya :D
mircea_popescu: two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281372 << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
mircea_popescu: real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY.
pete_dushenski: all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing
mircea_popescu: they had the grune punkt. why not green ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard.
pete_dushenski: green is for ze amerikans
phf: pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty.
mircea_popescu: phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?
mircea_popescu: nyah nyah.
mircea_popescu: romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot.
pete_dushenski: when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.
mircea_popescu: i never saw a cock made out of anything but.
pete_dushenski: i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles
pete_dushenski: just not for everyone
mircea_popescu: badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up.
pete_dushenski: they're around $3 a pop
mircea_popescu: "what fat chicks do"
pete_dushenski: the feather shuttles
pete_dushenski: have been for years
phf: i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not'
pete_dushenski: the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ?
mircea_popescu: phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.
pete_dushenski: handball maybe ?
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mircea_popescu: as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa.
mircea_popescu: a yeah handball
mircea_popescu: right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender.
mircea_popescu: (this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot)
phf: mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su
phf: well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.
mircea_popescu: honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987
mircea_popescu: and before that, and hence.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada
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pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime
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mircea_popescu: (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)
mats: i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.
mircea_popescu: mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ?
mats: its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...?
mircea_popescu: therefore undignified.
mircea_popescu: literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that".
mircea_popescu: and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?"
mircea_popescu: ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?"
cazalla: handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades
pete_dushenski: in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling
pete_dushenski: but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?
phf: pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol
mircea_popescu: in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't
pete_dushenski: phf: like itch to play again ? :)
mircea_popescu: which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway.
mircea_popescu: as a bloc.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bahaha
mircea_popescu: better deal than getting raped as an individual.
pete_dushenski: laugh was about "ass i lick"
phf: pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back
trinque: bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game
mircea_popescu: ah, no drinking whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: drinking games are a diff story altogether.
trinque: oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house
trinque: this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially
pete_dushenski: phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic.
mircea_popescu: as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!"
mircea_popescu: drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!"
phf: the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball?
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters
mircea_popescu: special interdiction zone around it
cazalla: no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here
mircea_popescu: actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football.
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/TOxNOa-yZJ4?t=22m8s << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton
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pete_dushenski: phf: what's 'a dunking game' ?
cazalla: i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then
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pete_dushenski: and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit
phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point
mircea_popescu: as predicted by alf and others.
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pete_dushenski: phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais
phf: one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop
pete_dushenski: just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still
pete_dushenski: ~0.5 btc
phf: pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00073467 = 27.9909 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous
pete_dushenski: which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZekuO-FJY << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here.
assbot: Canadian Badminton Nationals 2011 - Bronze Medal Game - Men's Double 3rd set (2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3GXm )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ?
pete_dushenski: for the completely ignorant...
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing !
asciilifeform: sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car'
BingoBoingo: Trying to take over the world?
pete_dushenski: ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support
asciilifeform: the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see log
pete_dushenski: they won't sell 10k of these things
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: o i did
mircea_popescu: yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support.
mircea_popescu: and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!
asciilifeform: i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years.
pete_dushenski: i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards
asciilifeform: pretty much everything else afaik is junk.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski where are they listed ?
pete_dushenski: 21 is private afaik
pete_dushenski: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/09/were_number_16.html << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years
assbot: We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4EmD )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281047 << because it was the one available escape from socialism ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag
asciilifeform: escape l0l
hanbot: BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: http://dpaste.com/1TAA9VJ
assbot: dpaste: 1TAA9VJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4ZWh )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you dispute ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink
mircea_popescu: this never happened.
mircea_popescu: undrunk ru mathematician ?!
mircea_popescu: not even in highschool teaching.
asciilifeform: or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics.
mircea_popescu: because the misery of the west is not self aware.
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough".
asciilifeform: there is this. but also the other thing.
mircea_popescu: which is ?
asciilifeform: the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281071 << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal.
mircea_popescu: all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant,
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, education is rape.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/
asciilifeform: education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort.
asciilifeform: the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true)
trinque: re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix
asciilifeform: but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters.
trinque: *officers
asciilifeform: ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally.
asciilifeform: but it was a thing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281751 << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago...
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/
asciilifeform: but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here.
trinque: maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young.
trinque: and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil
asciilifeform: 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha
asciilifeform: t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.'
asciilifeform: (oughta be obvious from where)
asciilifeform: among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test'
trinque: I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing
trinque: they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do
asciilifeform: this is not a necessary hypothesis.
asciilifeform: and yes, for normal sexuality.
assbot: A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )
asciilifeform: 'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no
asciilifeform: t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula
asciilifeform: tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.'
asciilifeform: ^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz.
asciilifeform: the particular case in question is also an instance of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-08-2015#1232285
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'
asciilifeform: all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof.
asciilifeform: 'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers.
trinque: I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population
asciilifeform: and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence.
trinque: see: abstinence camps and so on
mircea_popescu: trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.
trinque: oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour.
mircea_popescu: "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"
asciilifeform: it worked.
mircea_popescu: that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is.
asciilifeform: i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin.
asciilifeform: it fucking worked.
asciilifeform: and in usa, it is anathema.
mircea_popescu: but we were not discussing THAT.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall.
mircea_popescu: about as likely to change as the color of sunset.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
trinque: yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much
trinque: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh.
asciilifeform: see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners.
mircea_popescu: i handed this one out.
asciilifeform: speaking of the other one
asciilifeform: the '21' thing
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.
asciilifeform: likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy.
mircea_popescu: any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses.
mircea_popescu: you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense.
asciilifeform: jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens.
asciilifeform: and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt'
mircea_popescu: only before deliberation.
asciilifeform: the usual result is what is called 'hung jury'
asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it
asciilifeform: this simply leads to a new trial.
asciilifeform: with fresh meat puppets.
mircea_popescu: more lulz @ usg expense.
asciilifeform: oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays !
asciilifeform: (true story.)
danielpbarron: at least a hung jury wastes more USG money
trinque: in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power
trinque: what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard"
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
asciilifeform: actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial.
asciilifeform: every trial is an exercise of usg power.
asciilifeform: and they are cheap.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals
asciilifeform: as needed.
asciilifeform: at minimal cost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.
mircea_popescu: you don't accept magistrate judge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing.
asciilifeform: he knows that it is an atrocity.
mircea_popescu: once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers.
asciilifeform: i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth
asciilifeform: until he likes magistrates again.
mircea_popescu: except he doesn't.
asciilifeform: why not ?
mircea_popescu: because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse.
mircea_popescu: then da gets some form of persuasion,
mircea_popescu: in the shape of broken teeth.
mircea_popescu: what man does, man does, alfie. always remember.
asciilifeform: why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: usg paid for security.
mircea_popescu: usg paid for the whores.
mircea_popescu: let it do what it likes doing.
asciilifeform: i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell
asciilifeform: with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc.
mircea_popescu: the point is drastically more subtler than that.
mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
mircea_popescu: in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds
mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.
mircea_popescu: no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this.
mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
mircea_popescu: and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281105 << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281109 << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
assbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFKNie )
mircea_popescu: becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap.
mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
mircea_popescu: between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?
assbot: dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJwhQy )
phf: neat
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.
mircea_popescu: rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious.
mircea_popescu: also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars.
mircea_popescu: so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism.
mircea_popescu: and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair.
mircea_popescu: these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281113 << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
mircea_popescu: so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we'll never know.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281876 >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFLvMg )
asciilifeform: living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.
asciilifeform: but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though.
assbot: So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j )
mircea_popescu: , must be smart".
mircea_popescu: course meanwhile that fizzled.
mircea_popescu: but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.
asciilifeform: it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'.
asciilifeform: everything that came after that was nonsense.
asciilifeform: there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation.
mircea_popescu: well in my defense i wasn't reading it then.
asciilifeform: simply how it works.
assbot: Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD )
asciilifeform: now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true.
mircea_popescu: ie, that it's a conjecture.
asciilifeform: ah then yes!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all.
mircea_popescu: i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.
mircea_popescu: btw re earlier feather discussion : http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ probably ties in.
assbot: The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJyc7I )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo!
asciilifeform: go, read.
mircea_popescu: after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ?
asciilifeform: see what such a proof looks like, readily.
asciilifeform: and aha yes, ties in.
mircea_popescu: not what i meant!
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.
asciilifeform: research - yes, promising (afaik) - no.
asciilifeform: 'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su)
mircea_popescu: so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism
asciilifeform: at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes.
mircea_popescu: btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ?
asciilifeform: i certainly see the resemblance.
asciilifeform: though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos
mircea_popescu: mostly the mouth tho
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,
asciilifeform: is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ?
mircea_popescu: which has a very "factorization" flavour to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform failure is a subjective point.
mircea_popescu: which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed.
asciilifeform: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
mircea_popescu: b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.
mircea_popescu: ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.
asciilifeform: i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is
asciilifeform: for example.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see it.
asciilifeform: likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility.
asciilifeform: ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."
mircea_popescu: same result in the end.
asciilifeform: not necessarily same
asciilifeform: what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it.
asciilifeform: if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint.
mircea_popescu: which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.
asciilifeform: as mr mold's bad re-invention.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
asciilifeform: how's that work
mircea_popescu: if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots
mircea_popescu: i would not hire the idiots.
asciilifeform: who in his right mind, would ?
mircea_popescu: whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.
asciilifeform: not exactly
mircea_popescu: but if not - greenspun.
asciilifeform: not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable.
asciilifeform: all else being equal.
mircea_popescu: " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."
mircea_popescu: exact quote.
mircea_popescu: allow me to lol.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.)
asciilifeform: i might be thick, but - which this ?
mircea_popescu: i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom'
mircea_popescu: now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery.
asciilifeform: so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies
asciilifeform: none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~
asciilifeform: it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down.
asciilifeform: or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon
mircea_popescu: actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation.
mircea_popescu: the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment.
asciilifeform: where did it go ?
mircea_popescu: maybe some wiggle room between these.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up.
asciilifeform: 'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership
asciilifeform: .' (pediwik)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.
assbot: ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxiqq4 )
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
asciilifeform: 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!
asciilifeform: without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing.
asciilifeform: but yes, he got to sell the pick axes.
asciilifeform: for a while, anyway.
mircea_popescu: this is not a valid objection.
mircea_popescu: iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately
mircea_popescu: iirc he names siemens ?
asciilifeform: the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all
asciilifeform: incl. siemens
mircea_popescu: well of course. but this was calendar 1999
asciilifeform: hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today.
asciilifeform: (stuxnet platform)
mircea_popescu: "cheap apple copy" ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler.
asciilifeform: aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.
asciilifeform: but possibly that's just me.
mircea_popescu: how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?
mircea_popescu: what about "bitcoin atms" ?
asciilifeform: i slept through the neobee thing
mircea_popescu: looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something.
asciilifeform: the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure
mircea_popescu: so they're blockchain technologizing.
asciilifeform: where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ?
asciilifeform: as with the atm
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".
mircea_popescu: also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years.
asciilifeform: yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
asciilifeform: 120 Gh/s?!! srsly?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,calc 120000
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
mircea_popescu: ;;gentime 120000
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 / 67 * 365
gribble: 136.194029851
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 / 67 / 365
gribble: 0.00102228583112
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: quarter a day. how big is it ?
asciilifeform: the gadget ?
mircea_popescu: 120gh/s still need like 50W or so ?
asciilifeform: more like 10W iirc
asciilifeform: (the dev board it is attached to can supply no more)
mircea_popescu: then they're not mining 120gh
asciilifeform: advertised was '50 - 120' iirc
mircea_popescu: im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol.
mircea_popescu: so you'll get 12.
asciilifeform: but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint.
mircea_popescu: this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001
asciilifeform: esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe
mircea_popescu: there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.
asciilifeform: a $450 egg ?
mircea_popescu: hey, comes right out of their college fund :D
asciilifeform: goose, rather
mircea_popescu: besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.
mircea_popescu: better get the goose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.
mircea_popescu: if they murder it, that's the plan.
asciilifeform: it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass
mircea_popescu: you clearly never had kids.
mircea_popescu: if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.
mircea_popescu: "say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!"
pete_dushenski: this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: same people, same basic idea, but for some reason scaled down
mircea_popescu: actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles.
asciilifeform: (it was to be a thing in 'every light bulb' and 'every tv set')
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the reason being : reality
mircea_popescu: the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing.
trinque: asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round
mircea_popescu: i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.
mircea_popescu: trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ?
trinque: thought it was 120mn
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
asciilifeform: see thread. the boojum, if there is one, is prolly on the miner die.
mircea_popescu: only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that!
asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
asciilifeform: the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like
mircea_popescu: or w/e it was called ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not keybase this time. a fresh one.
asciilifeform: (why?? ask them..)
mircea_popescu: would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that".
asciilifeform: of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
mircea_popescu: you understand already ? what 200 million ?
asciilifeform: or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ?
mircea_popescu: this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y.
mircea_popescu: contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging.
mircea_popescu: it's the other guy.
mircea_popescu: this is how begging goes, "power men blablabla"
asciilifeform: the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ?
asciilifeform: then yes.
asciilifeform: it would also explain why 'raspberry pi' and naked miner board circa 2012
mircea_popescu: what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes.
mircea_popescu: "bad for you!11"
pete_dushenski just imagined predator drone hacking darts. chuckled.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:43:43; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard
mircea_popescu: (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)
asciilifeform: easy to 'keep up' when you're headers-only-ing...
BingoBoingo: I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.
asciilifeform: i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 375556 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: (incidentally, 67 connexions on zoolag, 28 on bucephalus, both at full height)
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, their words, not mine!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
assbot: Digging through archives yields gold on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo4Zk )
mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."
asciilifeform: 'adult supervision', ellen paoization, snippetysnips, in 5,4,3,2....1
mircea_popescu: so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct
mircea_popescu: the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows.
mircea_popescu: i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.
mircea_popescu: but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money.
mircea_popescu: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement
mircea_popescu: too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that"
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu: which part
cazalla: for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt
asciilifeform: 'haven't exactly... what the nigger words'
mircea_popescu: the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner.
mircea_popescu: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an
phf: d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there.
mircea_popescu: say, dja ever read my "what is art" thing ?
phf: yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding
phf: *what
mircea_popescu: " was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing"
mircea_popescu: no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition.
phf: oh interesting
mircea_popescu: in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: in this sense indistinguishable from socialism.
mircea_popescu: the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields.
mircea_popescu: (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.)
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets.
phf: but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days
mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
mircea_popescu: phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ?
asciilifeform: mega-patron.
asciilifeform: nobody alive today is fit to be his boot sole, patron-wise
mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.
mircea_popescu: howabout that one!
phf: there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage?
mircea_popescu: salon de refuses, like ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
mircea_popescu: punkman no, it's just piped water with a faucet.
punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon
mircea_popescu: i was not ready for this truth.
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phf: why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because
phf: imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded by this thesis.
mircea_popescu: my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT.
mircea_popescu: like at all.
mircea_popescu: the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life.
mircea_popescu: but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist.
mircea_popescu: note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.
phf: i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme
mircea_popescu: and they were shit
mircea_popescu: in a most egregiously scandalous manner.
phf: so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.
phf: so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you"
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin.
phf: how so?
mircea_popescu: the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out.
mircea_popescu: it's not fuckin science, and it may never be silent.
phf: well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better
mircea_popescu: lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers.
mircea_popescu: phf !stalin is "not-stalin", right ?
phf: ooh ooh
mircea_popescu: and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?
mircea_popescu: not like he wanted to.
mircea_popescu: imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: paint women, that's what.
asciilifeform: eh day job
mircea_popescu: what, gioconda ?
mircea_popescu: (it was, but, again - what, gioconda ???)
phf: hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed?
mircea_popescu: good enough for me, i'll take it :)
phf: heh, what an interesting resolution
mircea_popescu: one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit.
asciilifeform: wai wut ?!!
mircea_popescu: very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids"
asciilifeform: these did not exist before ?
mircea_popescu: and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate.
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